I attended a debate on presidential power at Chapman University Law School yesterday.
In retrospect, the event should more properly have been called “The Trial of John Yoo.”
And strikingly, it was Yoo who cast himself in the role of defendant.
The debate was titled "Presidential Power and Success in Times of Crisis," and the debaters included John Eastman, Dean of Chapman’s law school and one of the nation’s smartest (and therefore most dangerous) conservative legal scholars, as well as progressive Chapman law professors Katherine Darmer and Larry Rosenthal.
The first speaker and featured star attraction was John Yoo, currently Professor of Law at the University of California at Berkeley and Fletcher Jones Distinguished Visiting Professor of Law at Chapman, and the former Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Office of Legal Counsel under President George W. Bush who co-authored the now-infamous memos justifying waterboarding and other forms of torture.
For those of us expecting a high power constitutional firefight over Bush era torture and presidential power, the debate was a letdown.
In fact, only one side – Darmer and Rosenthal – really addressed the scope of presidential power in the war on terror or the legal and ethical issues involved in the Bush administration’s torture program.
The other side – Yoo and Eastman – focused instead on the legal and ethical charges – only vaguely alluded to in the debate, but prominent in the media – against John Yoo himself.
Yoo’s self-defense consisted of unsubstantiated claims that torture (or what he called “enhanced interrogation”) was necessary to prevent a repeat of a 9-11 terrorist attack against the U.S., and strained analogies to prior unilateral presidential actions during wartime (such as Lincoln’s attempt to suspend habeas corpus during the civil war).
Most significantly, Yoo argued that President Bush -- and, by clear implication, Yoo himself -- should not be legally or morally judged in Obama era hindsight. Rather, Yoo claimed, the legal and moral judgment of the Bush administration's policy on torture must take into consideration the legitimate fear of terrorism that gripped the nation immediately following the 9-11 attacks.
Professor Rosenthal aptly called this argument the “I lost my head” defense.
For now, I will leave to others the discussion of Bush era torture, as well as the extent of John Yoo’s personal moral and legal culpability.
What I want to note is that John Yoo knows that he is already on trial – not just in Spain, but here in the United States – and he is already attempting to put on his defense.
And if his performance at Chapman is an indication of his skill as his own defense attorney – and I think that it is – John Yoo is in serious trouble.
Yoo was meandering, inarticulate, and alternately simplistic and condescending. He was no match for Darmer and Rosenthal – both former federal prosecutors and both clearly far smarter and more savvy than John Yoo.
I came away from the debate feeling that Yoo is a rather pathetic figure, intellectually out-classed by the others on the panel.
Yoo’s rise in the legal world of the Bush administration was obviously more a product of his political beliefs and ultra-conservative connections – he clerked for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and Thomas’ friend and mentor Judge Laurence Silberman – than of his legal skill.
Yoo was probably not really even the primary author of the torture memos – that dubious distinction most likely belongs to his boss at the Office of Legal Counsel, former assistant attorney general and now federal appellate judge Jay Bybee.
And if John Eastman’s tepid and uncharacteristically dim performance as co-counsel for Yoo’s defense is an indication, Yoo may just end up as the designated fall guy for public outrage over Bush’s torture program.
At the debate, one sensed that John Yoo knew that he was the going to take the fall and that there was little, if anything, that he could do about it.

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As an officer of the court, as an attorney, he knows by training what the consequences are. Now his defense is, "I was blinded by my patriotism?" Please the hubris that attorneys are taught in law school is that they are smarter than the law. It's a lot of hydrogen sulfide.
I'm looking forward to his trial.
Thanks for the post. I haven't followed all the links but will find the time to do so today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Servicemembers%27_Protection_Act
Good post. Got to keep the heat turned on. Today's NYT article about the non-CIA torture memos leading up to Rumsfeld gives one hope that it won't be just small fry and operatives whose feet will be kept to the fire.
What? Are you suggesting that Bush hired complete and utter moron lawyers for important roles in hisAdministration? Someone get Alberto Gonzales on the phone! No? Harriet Meyers?
It's a bit late for that. I passed judgment on Yoo's morality back in 2006:
In Yoo's debate with Doug Cassel, the Notre Dame law professor asked: "If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?"
John Yoo: "No treaty."
Doug Cassel: "Also no law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo [while Yoo was a Justice Department attorney]."
John Yoo: "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that."
I'd have thought that a question about the whether the President might order children to be tortured would be pretty much a softball. Guess not.
The more we learn about the Bush torture policy and the people who conceived and justified it and carried it out, the more grateful I am that Barack Obama is president.
Smithbarney, as to Yoo at Berkeley, CVillarreal, a member of the National Lawyers Guild Bay Area Chapter, had a post in December about asking the University to investigate and take action. There's been no follow-up post that I can find, nor have I seen anything in the press.
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I'm not sure he felt quite the same way after his presentation was interrupted numerous times by protesters.
My guess is that he'll up at Pepperdine.
Unless (or maybe even if) he's disbarred.
I have never heard an explanation of what there was about 9/11 that made it different in kind from other attacks and other wars. E.g., after Pearl Harbor we didn't start torturing captured Japanese naval officers. We didn't torture captured German soldiers after the Battle of the Bulge. The British didn't torture captured German airmen even as their own country was being attacked from the air every day. In that context what was it about 9/11 that was thought to justify these techniques that previously would have been held to be war crimes?
If his defense is going to be "the panic made me do it," he might as well just resign from the bar now and save others the work of kicking him out.
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Mr. Attorney General Holder;
By his own hand in the 08-01-2002 OLC torture memo, in considerable damning detail, Mr. Bybee appears explicitly complicit in subornation of war crimes. You don't get to parse away and define torture down. This is not even a close call. We imprisoned and even executed people for participation in the very same types of acts. The history could not be more clear.
The fact that Mr. Bybee now sits comfortably on the federal bench owes ENTIRELY to the suppression of this torture memo during the time of his judicial confirmation hearing. Had it come publicly to light, he would never have been confirmed. He should not have been confirmed. He, and his fellow torture conspirators should be fully and openly investigated for having put this odious moral stain on our nation. They have put the nation and its defenders at significantly greater risk while sullying our reputation in the world.
The Israeli High Court once had to slap down its own intel service over torture -- and, you cannot accuse the Israelis of being "soft, liberal, terrorist coddlers" either. Their conclusion:
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"This is the destiny of a democracy—it does not see all means as acceptable, and the ways of its enemies are not always open before it. A democracy must sometimes fight with one hand tied behind its back. Even so, a democracy has the upper hand. The rule of law and the liberty of an individual constitute important components in its understanding of security. At the end of the day, they strengthen its spirit and this strength allows it to overcome its difficulties."
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See "Educing Information," the 372 page report issued by our own National Defense Intelligence College. That's where I found the quote.
Do the right thing. Minimally, appoint a neutral and respectable independent prosecutor to investigate these matters. There must be accountability. Absent that, we are really no better than our enemies, for the incentive and opportunities to behave as do they will remain.
Thank you.
Robert E. Gladd
I doubt anyone ever thought Yoo was anything but Bybee's tool. Question is, will the real "decider" behind all of this, Dick Cheney ever get called to justice?
Best Regards,
David
So what is the cost of a "let's torture anyone we want to for any reason DOJ memo"? Answer: A Federal Judgeship.
That's a real nice payoff. Good post.
Rated & Cheers!
"Your obligations as a U.S. citizen and a member of the armed forces result from the traditional values that underlie the American experience as a nation. These values are best expressed in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, which you have sworn to uphold and defend. You would have these obligations—our country, your service and unit and your fellow Americans—even if the Code of Conduct had never been formulated as a high standard of general behavior."
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/p360_512.pdf
JOHN YOO: "I actually think it's a little different. I think what the court has recognized is that probably are going to take a short term hit in terms of legitimacy. But I think they balanced that against whether they think it's in the best interest of the country to be able to end this tomorrow. I think they probably will issue a decision tomorrow, because if they issue one tomorrow, they still allow one of the candidates to meet the December 12 deadline, and I think they've made that cost-benefit analysis. And I think you've seen that in other cases, for example, the Casey abortion case and other cases like that. They've made similar cost benefit analyses and weighed that in favor of trying to heal national divisions instead of worrying about their short-term legitimacy."
Even a dog has the integrity to lift his own wounded paw when he's in trouble. Yoo lifts ours.
I'm not surprised he's a dumbass.
We have heard time and again that this is an issue of philosophical differences, that some people believe in checks and balances and some don't, some prefer habeas corpus and some just want to be "effective". But Yoo's approach to this issue, however pathetic his being trapped into the position he now finds himself in, is a direct and bald-faced rejection of the entire American Constitutional system of government.
His legal argument amounts to scrapping the Constitution completely, and permamently, with no justification beyond serving the whims of legally ant-brained individuals like George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Yoo's immersion in this is due more than anything else to his obviously deep-seated willingness to cast aside all human decency and impose a rigid ideological formula to a system that actually requires that laws govern.
I appreciate Lainey's response as well, but I would say that the "I lost my head" and the "it was effective" defenses BOTH implicitly recognize the illegality of the actions committed. If they did not recognize the illegality of the acts, there would be no defense aside from "it was legal".
All these protestations and hysterical rantings in defense of torture are just that: hysterical attempts to defend the indefensible, and that is why Yoo and Cheney and all those who speak on their behalf are boxed into crafting such logically incoherent defenses: they know they broke the law.
No doubt he will soon find himself where slimy goo like him always seems to end up: on the Washington Post Op-Ed page...
But, but, but the Post is that seething cauldron of Liberalism!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The only power, therefore, which the president possesses, where the 'life, liberty or property' of a private citizen is concerned, is the power and duty prescribed in the third section of the second article, which requires 'that he shall take care that the laws shall be faithfully executed.' He is not authorized to execute them himself, or through agents or officers, civil or military, appointed by himself, but he is to take care that they be faithfully carried into execution, as they are expounded and adjudged by the coordinate branch of the government to which that duty is assigned by the constitution. It is thus made his duty to come in aid of the judicial authority, if it shall be resisted by a force too strong to be overcome without the assistance of the executive arm; but in exercising this power he acts in subordination to judicial authority, assisting it to execute its process and enforce its judgments."
"With such provisions in the constitution, expressed in language too clear to be misunderstood by any one, I can see no ground whatever for supposing that the president, in any emergency, or in any state of things, can authorize the suspension of the privileges of the writ of habeas corpus, or the arrest of a citizen, except in aid of the judicial power. "
"He certainly does not faithfully execute the laws, if he takes upon himself legislative power, by suspending the writ of habeas corpus, and the judicial power also, by arresting and imprisoning a person without due process of law. Nor can any argument be drawn from the nature of sovereignty, or the necessity of government, for self-defense in times of tumult and danger."
"The government of the United States is one of delegated and limited powers; it derives it existence and authority altogether from the constitution, and neither of its branches, executive, legislative or judicial, can exercise any of the powers of government beyond those specified and granted; for the tenth article of the amendments to the constitution, in express terms, provides that 'the powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states, respectively, or to the people.'"
Your reference to Lincoln is instructive, but it teaches the opposite lesson than you intend.
Lincoln attempted to suspended habeas corpus in the same sense that Truman attempted to seize the steel mills. In both cases, the president's attempt to take unilateral action as commander in chief was rejected by the courts as unconstitutional.
Early in the civil war, Lincoln declared that habeas corpus was suspended in military zones in Maryland. The courts (both then and now) found this unilateral action by the president to be unconstitutional -- even under the president's broad powers as commander in chief, in the midst of what would be the bloodiest war in our history, and when the nation's capitol itself was under immediate threat of being captured by the enemy.
"Was that the “coming together” Obama was selling us during the campaign?"
As usual, your comments here are all half truths and mis-information. You are a true History Channel scholar! Michael Fox has already schooled you on your misunderstanding of Lincoln and habeaus corpus, so I won't continue to beat that horse.
But the idea that this is being driven by Obama is absurd. I know they won't tell you this on Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, or wherever else you pick up your misinformation, but Obama has been dragging his heels on this.
This is what real populism looks like. Not the phony teabagging nonsense yout right wing nitwits put on. Polls are showing as many as 68% in favor of prosecutions for torture. But you are absolutely correct about one thing. I certainly do hate the Bush Administration enough that I want to see the dirtbags that ran it spend millions of dollars in legal bills. If that's the worst that happens to them, they're getting off easy.
phm: if you read the Geneva Conventions, instead of getting it second hand through whatever rightwing outlet you listen to, you will see that non-signatories to it are still bound to be treated humanely by signatories.
And thanks to the editor for the pick!
but the beltway barons will persist in expanding their depredations on the well-known principle that 'more is better,' and suddenly america is outraged: my job is gone! my mortgage is unsupportable!, strange-looking men are trying to kill us! and most amusingly, the world is sneering at our enhanced interrogation techniques!
america is an oligarchy. it is owned, body and soul, by the rich. it is a brutal and corrupt empire. if you express outrage arising from it's habitual and characteristic behavior at this late date, you convict yourself of ignorance or hypocrisy.
john yoo is not a 'miscreant.' he is a lawyer who worked for the president of the usa. you may not like his character, or that of his employer, but you allowed both to work in secret in exercising the great power of the nation. you are complicit in what they did with the freedom you gave them.
america could be a democracy. the business of the nation could be done in public in full knowledge of the electorate, and the world. but that is not the nation you have inherited from the slave masters who wrote the constitution, and you have not the intelligence, or character, to change things. you deserve john yoo, and worse.
And who spread the fear and used it to manipulate the masses ???
You don't want "retaliation" ???? Then don't meddle in the affairs of other countries ....
"... if you express outrage arising from it's habitual and characteristic behavior at this late date..." (Al Loomis)
and
"His popularity was at it's highest..." (Texas Bubba)
In the interests of proper punctuation, when "its" is a possessive pronoun (the change of seasons has its appeal; this house has its charms, etc.) there is no apostrophe between the "t" and the "s." When "it's" is a contraction of "it is" or "it has" (it's Thursday; it's time to go; it's met its burden of proof) the apostrophe is correct.
And John Yoo is a legal hack! No wonder he defends himself so poorly. His defensive posturing has its "appeal," but it's time to resist its allure and put him on trial as the war criminal he is, right next to Mr. Cheney. It's really a no-brainer.
I saw Kathleen Sullivan utterly outclass him on an episode of "Uncommon Knowledge" regarding the legacy of William Rehnquist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uags7igHKM
It was, frankly, a little bit embarrassing.
Ironically, I think it's the very fact that Yoo is under the gun for his torture memos that has allowed him to keep his sinecure in academia. Judged solely on the merits of his scholarship, Boalt Hall would have probably canned him a long time ago.
John Stewart, who has eviscerated a great many people, and who trained stephen Colbert, who just recently eviscerated Harold Ford, ran into a stone wall when he went after Yoo. And yet this genius from Moving Target theater that no one ever heard of tells us that 2 law professors who teach at a 2nd tier law school did what Stewart couldn't?
If those 2 could do what Stewart can't they would be downtown at a mega-McKenzie Brackman doing instead of teaching, and making $2M a year.
The purpose of this article is simply to gin up hatred toward Yoo and other Conservatives and criminalize what they did. If that's what this and the rest of you geniuses want then you may get it next year, and "in spades" (in this context I am sure you idiots know the term is not racist--but some will say it is because you can only smear, not debate) in 2013.
While you guys are trying to criminalize your political opposition's conduct why don't you do away with the filibuster as well. Make 2013 nice and clean for us.
Jon Stewart has a good mind, but he still has to work the comedy into all his interviews and please an audience not composed mainly of law students. He is not a lawyer so he is not skilled in cross examination of a reluctant witness. Yoo merely had to wait him out with non-answers that were only lightly challenged until Jon had to move on to his real task, selling books.
When Yoo was interviewed by Jon Stewart, it struck me that he was getting off easy because Stewart tried to talk him down with moral arguments. A lawyer can easily slip through that net. But when you start picking apart his legal reasoning, his defense quickly collapses.
I suspect Yoo is not the only one who is pleading his case in order to stave off legal consequences. When Dick Cheney crawls out of his bunker to give frequent speeches and interviews, it's a sign that he feels the need to protect himself from prosecution. Sadly, he seems to be very successful.
The US has a lot of cleaning up to do.
Let them a-rabs know, they weren't tortured because Bush & Cheney said they weren't. Simply extreme interrogation. What proves Bush & Cheney were liars and criminals is that they did not bring in experts on interrogation to help them craft a regime. Instead they hired two psychologists with no experience outside the SEAR program.
Ten years ago I would never have believed half my citizens would support that regime. I am ashamed of my nation. It's soul was sold FOR NOTHING.
And what proved Bush is a nutjob was when he said, "Even if the entire nation is against me, and only my dog Barney is on my side, I will stick to my decidering." Even though every expert was against him, every PhD, every skilled diplomat, Bush's GUT was talking to him and knew best. That is the definition of an insane person.
barack "look forward" obama has shown no interest in prosecution. do you suppose some subordinate will oppose his complacency? who, and when?
will some citizen initiate action? how? no citizen initiative in 'representative democracy', as the american plutocracy is commonly disguised.
yoo may be somewhat crestfallen at being out of power, but have you noticed that he is not working for some community college in wyoming? this guy has connections, and protection.
You folks are simply crazy. You don't get prosecuted for giving legal advice. And you shouldn't. And that is the end of the matter.
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Daily news makes me wonder if old magicians drank brew.
The con-trick in the 1400's was to go upstairs and stargaze.
They'd talk about Majesty, Celestial Bodies, Harmony, Lies,
Magistrates,
Supernatural,
Prognosticating,
Good Soothsayers,
Bad Spirited powers,
and if their was a person who seemed debauched, and full of HUBRIS... Astrologers,
Those (we call coo-coo today) Potent Star Gazer Magas`romantics got the unsuspecting Why? Yoo? to be lured upstairs in the Palace by hatching a Scheme. The Star Gazers would heave-ho someone like Yoo... etc.,
from the Sacred Palace's Royal Chambers.
Guards would toss out Yoo through a window.
I don't know how I got here. I was at UT/GG's.
The Majesty ...
I no can behave?
I go brush my tooth.
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Maybe if we waterboarded him, he could bring us Bybee, Cheney, and Bush.
Otherwise, just ad homimem. E.g.:
"meandering" "inarticulate" "simplistic" "condescending" "tepid" "dim" "pathetic figure, intellectually out-classed"
And a double-layered ad hominem(!) by linking Yoo to Clarence Thomas.
The other side:"clearly far smarter and more savvy".
Come on! a little substance, please?