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OCTOBER 8, 2009 8:33AM

What Should We Do About Afghanistan?

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Although the health care reform debate still carries a lot of weight with the media, the war in Afghanistan is running a close second for the title of the new hot button in politics.

What a mess. What do you do about a place like Afghanistan? The general population of Afghanistan has about a 5% literacy rate. It is not an easy task to explain the greater workings of the world and the benefits of education to the people of a country that seems to care little about educating it’s populace. Knowledge is power and an educated people is far more difficult to control. Ask any dictator about that and though they may not admit it out loud, I am sure that they would quietly agree. Ignorance is also a breeding ground for fear. One need look no further than our own health care debate for proof of that. Fear is a powerful motivator and it is far easier to control people when they are less educated and in constant fear for their lives.

When we first invaded Afghanistan in October of 2001, Afghanistan was being used as a base and training ground for AlQaeda forces and the home of it's mastermind, Osama Bin Laden. Our own military leaders underestimated the power of ignorance and fear and misunderstood the loyalties of the Afghan people. The ignorance became apparent when rewards of millions in U.S. dollars were offered to any Afghans willing to help track down Osama Bin Laden, only to find that the local tribesmen didn’t know the difference between a million dollars and a shiny rock or a healthy goat.

Our troops also discovered that, after centuries of fighting invading armies, fear and death is the Afghan’s constant companion and their loyalties lie with whomever isn’t trying to kill them on any particular day. Afghans can and do switch loyalties in the blink of an eye which is a baffling occurance to a westerner. Afghans may not be book smart, but they are quite adept at staying alive. They play the game called live to fight another day, very well.

Anyone with half a brain would have to agree that we routed the Taliban in short order in 2001 and that the Bush Administration foolishly decided not to put enough boots on the ground to annihilate Al Qaeda and capture or kill Bin Laden when we had the chance. We can all thank Donald Rumsfeld for that one. Rather than allow the best military in the world to do their jobs, Rumsfeld went against his advisor's suggestions and relied far too heavily on the local tribesmen and their wandering loyalties to root out the enemy. The old saying, Don't buy a dog and then do the barking yourself, comes to mind.

This farcical plan allowed Bin Laden to escape across the boarder to the fearful and lawless northwest area of Pakistan where Pakistan’s own army dare not tread. It is presumed that Bin Laden is still there some eight years later, though no one seems to know for sure.

Conspiracy theories abound as to whether or not Bin Laden was allowed to escape as a ploy to let the Military Industrial Complex flex it’s might, and along with the aide of U.S. military contractors, bleed the American taxpayer for years or decades to come. If that theory holds true, it would go a long way in explaining the not so brilliant idea of leaving a skeleton crew to fight in Afghanistan while retraining the focus and resources of the war on terror to the invasion of Iraq. An invasion that, by the way, was foisted on Congress and the American public by the use of misinformation and deceit. 

We could go on forever about the foibles of the Bush Administration, but it won’t help the situation in which we presently find ourselves. The big question is, what do we do about Afghanistan? Sure, at one time we had the country contained, but that is no longer true.

Had we had kept our eye on the ball, would Afghanistan have a far different profile than it does today? No one can say for sure, but in my mind, the answer is a resounding yes.  Still, now is not the time for tears over opportunities lost. After eight long years we have to ask ourselves, what course of action should we take now? That is the question that is presently weighing heavily on President Obama.

Many theories and proposals are on the table. General McChrystal, who was put in place by Obama to oversee the Afghan theater wants 40,000   more troops to fight the war in Afghanistan. Of course he wants more troops. All Generals want more troops, the answer to everything in a General’s mind is more weapons and more troops, but is that going to get us where we want to go in regards to Afghanistan?

McChrystal makes no predictions of whether or not this surge of more troops will lead to victory (whatever that means) in Afghanistan, only that it is a start. No one knows where these new troops are supposed to come from. As far as troops are concerned, our military has been stretched to the breaking point. The thought of taking troops from Iraq and inserting them into Afghanistan is unconscionable to me. Those soldiers have done far more than their duty ever called for. It is time for our soldiers in Iraq to come home.

Redefining exactly what our goal is in Afghanistan is a huge part of the problem. At one time, the goal was to kill Bin Laden and rid Afghanistan of Al Qaeda. Bin Laden no longer resides in Afghanistan and neither do any Al Qaeda operatives or camps as far as anyone can say, which begs the question, why stay? After eight years, our purpose in Afghanistan has morphed into something that no longer has a definition.

Why spend billions more and countless American lives when our original mission in Afghanistan has been met? If our mission was to rid Afghanistan of Al Qaeda, then we won, so why not get out and go home? Of course it’s always more complicated than that, but we still must ask, why haven’t things improved in the area?

First and foremost, the answer to that question is that we (read George W. Bush) moved valuable troops and resources from Afghanistan to fight in Iraq. We also installed puppet leader Hamid Karzai as an interim President and he later won Afghanistan's first election. America's puppet was firmly in place, but the puppet soon began to ignore the strings and began dancing as he pleased.

There is much suspicion and mounting evidence that Karzai manipulated the recent election even though he was highly favored to win. He had plenty of money to rig an election since he has been siphoning off or extorting money from every outside financial aid program delivered to their country. We won’t even mention the money he makes from the narcotics trade, which incidentally is doing quite well under Karzai and helps destroy lives, not only here within our own boarders, but all across the globe.

Karzai has done little in the last eight years to train any Afghan military or police. There is no motivation for him to do so as it would lead not only to an American troop withdrawl, but also the removal of the American financial sugar tit along with it.

In fact, there were two recent attacks on our own military from inside both of those institutions, so why stay if that type of corruption is still so blatant after eight long years? How does one country go about correcting all that is wrong with another country that has a 2000 year history of war and corruption? My opinion is that you can't. As sad as it is, it reminds me of the drunken uncle that no one can help until he decides to help himself. Sooner or later one needs to recognize that he is being played for a fool, and that the shell game that is Afghanistan, will eventually leave us with empty pockets and broken dreams.

Al Qaeda no longer works from Afghanistan. They moved years ago to set up training camps in Pakistan where they remain to this day. The theory that we must stay in Afghanistan to keep Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan is a waste of theory. Who cares if Al Qaeda moves back into Afghanistan? Would that really be a bad thing?

It would surely be easier to kill Al Qaeda operatives there than it is to kill them in Pakistan and might even lower the collateral killing of civilians that only breeds more hatred of Americans. Plus, it’s not like Afghanistan is the only real estate on the planet available to Al Qaeda. There are cells or camps in Indonesia, Somalia, Yemen, Spain, Germany, Great Britian, the United States and who knows where else, so the idea that we must keep Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan is a leaky idea at best. Since they don't have a country to protect, Al Qaeda is free to roam the planet in search of fertile grounds to grow and nuture more terrorists.

Let’s revisit Pakistan for a moment. During the last several years, we have giving Pakistan over 6.6 billion dollars to help fight Al Qaeda in the feared and lawless northwest region of Pakistan where they have taken refuge. It was recently discovered that only about a half billion of those dollars were actually used to fight terrorism in that region and most of that money brought to use, only over the last few months. Is there any wonder that Al Qaeda managed to build a stronghold there?

The rest of the money was spent on other Pakistani needs, like buying jet fighters and armaments (conincidentally purchased from the United States) that are better suited to fighting India, than the helicopters and small arms needed to fight Al Qaeda in a mountainous region. One has to wonder why it took so long to figure this out. The following information might help.

The United States admits that it doesn’t have a system in place to track much if any of the money given to Pakistan or Afghanistan. Eight years and no tracking system in place, yet? (Remember that plane load of one hundred dollar bills totaling nine billion dollars that mysteriously disappeared in Iraq with little or no questions asked?) It is an unforgivable oversight in my mind, to sacrifice American Troops in a foreign land and not have a better handle on where all the money and supplies go.

There is certainly more to this story that we will never know and I believe that Barack Obama is weighing all of this carefully before making a decision on what direction we are to take in the quagmire that Afghanistan has become.

My own Audacity of Hope is that the President reaches a conclusion that the war against terrorists is better waged with high quality police and intelligence work followed by less invasive strategic strikes delivered by small lethal forces and robotic drones. I feel we would not only get more security for our money, but I also think this approach would lead to more cooperation from our allies and less hatred from our enemies.

We have had much action in Afghanistan, but action should not be equated with progress. Imagine that I nail one foot to the floor and run as fast as I can. That would display a lot of action, but would result in very little forward progress. Why should we as a nation, firmly nail one foot to Afghanistan and continue to run hard for another eight or more years?

Consider this, the cerebral celebrity known as Sarah Palin, recently posted on her Facebook page that she stands firmly behind the escalation of troops in Afghanistan. That fact alone should convince almost any coherent person that an influx of troops into the region is a bad idea.

Of course, I realize that the situation is far more complicated than anything I’ve laid out here and that this simple solution is based only on my personal opinion. I don’t have all the information and I am glad that I don’t have to make the call. I can only hope that Obama is wise enough to do the right thing.

 

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Just my humble opinion...............
Michael, your humble opinion aligns very much with my, not so humble, opinion. I tried to get my head around another 40,000 troops and just couldn't imagine it and I have a very good imagination. I can see no benefit from war!
No benefit from war, not for the countries or the people. Corporations benefit from war, governments benefit from war. We'd have done more good in Afghanistan and Iraq by loading the cash into B-52's and dropping it on the people there. Then opening Wal-Marts. 40,000 more bodies and their ammo loads won't win this. Bushco, et al has only made the U.S. into a new version of the Soviet Union. When force is the only response we are doomed. Repressing the people's will only breeds resistance. Do it long enough and they will take up arms against you. Your stated reasons won't mean shit. All those folks know is what they are told. Most of them can't read their own languages. No one has ever been really successful in making the population of any country change their way of life by brutality.
Mick, first lets take care of this "surge" nonsense. The surge does not work in Iraq if we do not buy off the Sunni's, period. We are still paying for their loyalty but sooner or later this will stop. Iraq and Afghanistan or two different horses. You cannot win a war against an enemy that has nothing but time. We are, as we were in Vietnam, an occupying force. They also had nothing but time and would not let an occupying force take that country. We cannot pull out completely, we have already drank the poison, but by no means do we send anymore troops there, Obama has already sent enough. What the hell are we sending men into those awful mountains to get killed. It's almost like Hamburger Hill. Did we really need to take that fucking hill? We need to take control of the major towns and give the people there a sense of security. The minds and hearts of the majority is a lot better than a few dead Taliban in the mountains. We are stuck there for awhile regardless of what we do. So why not help these people with humanitarian things like hospitals, schools, police that they can trust. There is no easy out here, but we can do some good there if we clean up the corrupt government and show these people what America really is. Not a brutal occupying force but a people that are there to help them live a normal life. Do not, for Gods sake, send anymore troops there or we will be sending soldiers home in body bags for the next twenty years!
Hey Mick, that was for Mike by the way. Sorry
i'm with you, michael, especially in your hope that obama is wise on this decision. i will editorialize and add that i think he's been plenty wise on a lot of stuff so far, so i'm hopeful.

a timely post. today in our oh-so-right-wing local paper, the staff political cartoonist shows obama in the pose of rodin's 'thinker' with the caption "The (Over)Thinker" and drawings of afghanistan in the background. oh, i get it: as opposed to the preceding president who never thought longer than 3 seconds before making a disastrous decision? right.

the cartoonist? steve breen. who won a pulitzer last year. i have NO words, none. this is the twilight zone.

great post. ++
Wow. Michael, you put this in terminology that even I can understand. This is truly a brillinant and informative post. Why aren't you getting paid for this?

"It is time for our soldiers in Iraq to come home." I truly believe this to be true. We simply cannot solve every problem that other countries have, even if we created those problems. We're only making it worse.

I don't know much about Afghanistan. The best thing I've read about it was "The Kite Runner." Their history is complex and I think we helped (once again) to totally screw the country.

I wish we put even half as much money towards ending illiteracy and poverty. Then people would have the strength and knowledge to govern themselves. My humble opinion.
Excellent post, Michael. And I agree. We needed to be in Afghanistan in 2001, not Iraq. On Rachel Maddow last night, she had a guest on - sorry his name escapes me now - and he stated that there are probably 100 Al Qaeda operatives there. And then pointed out that there are that many in Britain and possibly Brooklyn.

The funding for these wars in the past 8 years is so incomprehensible to me and it's a slap in the face that we'll spend it on bombs (not actual safety equipment, of course) and not to allow people in this country health care. I just keep wondering what if the 40,000 people who die every year due to lack of health care died on the very same day. Would someone do something then?

Sorry, I know this isn't about health care, but just thinking about the trillions of dollars the Iraq war has flushed down the drain.
Great posting. My main concern is the Pakistani nuclear weapons arsenal and the age-long practice of corruption by Pakistani dictators/Presidents/generals who are still in place trying to maintain control of the country. If Al Qaeda or even the Taliban gets there hands on a nuclear weapon then all hell will break loose. I don't trust any of them but we do need to hold them closer than the enemy because they have the keys to the kingdom.
Rated & Cheers!
It is my firm belief that education is the only lasting solution to this and pretty much any other issue we have today. Which is why I love the book Three Cups of Tea by Greg Mortensen so much and support his efforts anyway I can. It's definitely not an easy answer nor one that will change things in a hurry, but imho, it is the ONLY lasting answer!
Life is Good, I just think it's time to quit pouring money and lives down a bottomless well. I feel terrible about the plight of the people there. Especially the women and children, but regardless of what we do to improve the region the Taliban will only destroy whatever good we can achieve, so what is the point? If they really want our help, they can ask for it, but I don't see that happening.

Bobbot, "We'd have done more good in Afghanistan and Iraq by loading the cash into B-52's and dropping it on the people there."

That might be the best idea I've heard. Way to think outside the box!

Scanner, i agree and that's why I think that Maybe Bush had no intentions of capturing Bin Laden. These more recent wars always seem to boil down to corporate profits, human beings be damned.

Femme, "as opposed to the preceding president who never thought longer than 3 seconds before making a disastrous decision? right."

How true is that statement. GWB would say a little prayer at night and wake in the morning with an answer for everything. I used to pray for a freak chainsaw accident when he was "clearing brush" in Crawford. Not much difference that Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

Gwendolyn, How are you? Money would be nice, but I'd settle for an occasional EP. hehe. I know the situation is far more complicated, but if you just take the biggest pieces and hold them up to the light, it's really not that hard to grasp a solution. Al Qaeda is everywhere, so putting all of your resources in one spot does very little to eliminate the terrorist problem that is spread across the globe. It seems much more productive to play whack-a-mole when they raise there ugly heads either here or there. In fact, it seems that you here far more stories of good police work spoiling terrorist plans than anything the military does.

Hi, Julie. Trust me when I say that I only thought about all that money being spent at home for domestic things, especially health care, about every thirty seconds or so. I'm sure that there are studies that say they only spend a few dollars killing one of ours and we have to spend so many million to kill one of theirs. The longer we stay and the more money we spend, the more the terrorists win. That thought was lost on Bush, I just hope Obama can come to a different conclusion.
All I can think of when I see the money amounts is what a better America we would have if we spent that money on our people in the form of health care, education, arts, transportation, etc. War is a waste of money. America has far more influence with its buying power. We know this and yet we still can't let go of our bellicose ways. War has never made this country rich - ever. It has made corporations rich while the rest of the country suffers under economic hardship - every time.

I also think, there is only one way this will end - with the US getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Now is infinitely better than later. Wasting lives and money on a losing battle is futile. And I don't believe for a minute that anyone ever really thought they could do something about Afghanistan military wise - the Russians threw everything they had at them and after years and years they had to leave. Being able to bully someone is not proof of superiority.
Good summary of the mess. I'm with you in being glad I'm not the one making the call. I add to your tag a contemporary to that song: "Ball of confusion, that's what the world is today, hey, hey!"
Good post, Michael although in my not so humble opinion our real intent for being in Afghanistan is not and never will be publicized in the mainstream media. I wrote a blog about this myself back in late May and got my usual quotient of 14 ratings and 15 comments.

http://open.salon.com/blog/dynomyte/2009/05/27/the_national_flower_of_afghanistan

What I said then still holds firmly true now. Not even Democracy Now! will touch this subject with any kind of true journalistic reporting, because the truth is way too scary and damning and God forbid that the USA has anything to do with drug trafficking.

There is a reason for war; and it is good for something. It's just not healthy or profitable for anyone but the PTB and the weapons merchants of death.
"Consider this, the cerebral celebrity known as Sarah Palin, recently posted on her Facebook page that she stands firmly behind the escalation of troops in Afghanistan. That fact alone should convince almost any coherent person that an influx of troops into the region is a bad idea."

Nuff said huh!!! So does McCain. So do all repubs, or at least most. Repubs are in bed with the military industrial complex, although I have my doubts about Momma Sarah realizing this.

Mike you put a lot of thought and time into this I can see, and did a very worthy job. Like you said it's always more complicated than is evident to many (me included) but damnet, I have to agree that we need to GTFO of Afghanistan.
I've pissed off my brother before saying exactly that, but I am convinced that nothing we do short of making them the 51st state and building infrastructure; schools to begin with, will change a damn thing over there. And I'm so sick of hearing about Al-Qaeda this and that.
See, I thought this was going to be one of your funny posts and then you go and get all deep and real on me. Sheesh!

Seriously, excellent analysis. I found myself nodding along the whole way.
Excellent post!

Now for my typical Tink response,

We should give everybody in Afghanistan candy. Nobody can be mad or war ready when they have candy!! MMMmm. Candy.

Or chocolate milk shakes.

Whatever floats the country into peace!! :)
Afghanistan is one of the many intractable problems Bush dumped on Obama, and unfortunately Obama's campaign rhetoric has come back to haunt him. Obama intoned that the war in Afghanistan was far more important than the war in Iraq, thus painting himself into the corner in which he now finds himself.

Ditto for Gitmo and healthcare reform. I'm not suggesting that he is different than other politicians when it comes to making promises they don't keep. The difference is that Obama certainly left no doubt he was serious about his promises and change we could believe in.

Moral of the story? If you promise change, you better deliver on it or you're likely to be what gets changed.
Zashin, I agree with the need for education, though I'm not familiar with the book you mention. (I need to get educated, myself) O don't see why we have to give the money directly to the Afghan government for them to take a 60% before it filters down to building schools and infrastructure. There has to be a better way if Obama decides to stay.

Texas Bubba, I so agree with you that Pakistan is the key to the whole situation. IMHO Pakistan is the #1 problem on the face of the Earth because of it's nukes. I read today that they have their own propaganda machine that doesn't let their public know of the good that we do for their country, only the bad. Even Obama only has a 17% approval rating, so one of the first things that need to be done is to show America in a kinder light and part of the solution and less of the problem. That will be a long uphill battle, but one that needs to be fought.

Maecel, I too, sit and shake my head when I think of all of it. I think a sit down with the Taliban is in order. It surely wouldn't hurt. They see of as occupiers and I can't disagree with them. I would be more interested in staying in the region if we could manage a cease fire and actually do some good.

Pilgim, for the life of me I couldn't think of those lyrics.

Dyno, I will go read that post as soon as I finish answering comments. There is always more to every picture when you take the time to look.

Trig, I don't know if the Rethugs actually believe in the escalation (yes I do) or they just want to disappree with Obam. (yes they do that, too!)
I wonder if anyone is trying to talk to the Taliban. There is always hope if you leave the lines of communication open. None when they are closed. Like I said above, I would be far more for staying there if I thought it was doing the people any good.

Teendoc, I have a tendency to fade in and out of political consciousness. I wonder if they have a medical term for that. ;-)

Tink, I think you could be on to something. An M&M airdrop behind enemy lines with messages of peace and love on the back of the packages would be a great propaganda campaign that might just work. At least they'd know the American people ain't so bad. Might just be the ice breaker we need.
I second that emotion

good job on a tough subject, Mike
I forgot -- excellent analysis. It seems to me the Surge Solution won't work in Afghanistan as it did in Iraq. Truth of the matter is we didn't "win" anything in Iraq, we just bought off the Sunni war lords we used to label insurgents. The Sunnis were ready to be bought off because they had resigned themselves to the fact they couldn't win against the Shia.

No such Sunni/Shia/Kurd trichotomy exists in Afghanistan. Oh, the Afghan war lords will be happy to take our money, but that won't change their four thousand year-old tribal ways one bit.
Tom, Afghanistan is one of those things I wish Obama would break his promise on. Pakistan is the place that need dire attention right now, but we can't just keep pouring money into that hole either. Something has to change, the status quo is just more insanity. As far as Gitmo goes, It's time to try them all or turn them loose. We are either a country of laws or we aren't. It would be nice to know where we stand.
Thanks, Roy. You slipped in there on me somehow.
Prior to 1980, Afghanistan didn't produce opium; but after the US/CIA backed Mujahideen won the Soviet/Afghan war, Afghanistan produced 88% of the world's opium in 1988. When the Taliban came to power, they destroyed most of the opium fields, reducing opium production by 94%. On September 9th, 2001, the plans for an American invasion of Afghanistan were on President Bush's desk, and two days later, on 9/11 we had the excuse to invade.

Of course, the media blames the Taliban for just about everything.

Today, Afghanistan produces more than 90% of the world's heroin, and they break new production records for opium every year. This is just one reason why I'm not too keen on giving a share of my income to the U.S. government.
Why isn't this on the cover?

I had been leaning toward the idea that we couldn't just abandon Afghanistan but, as you ask, what are our objectives there anymore? AlQaeda is no longer there and there doesn't seem to be any other worthwhile objective.

Strategic strikes by Special Forces and Navy Seals and even the CIA are our best strategy now. Truth be told, it was our best strategy in 2001 too, but Rumsfeld blew the chance for the CIA to get Bin Laden when they had him in their sights, a treasonous breach if ever there was one.

It's time to leave. Period.
Michael, I'm voting for you next presidential election. I'd like to see you debate trig's brother, nanatehay, on this topic. He's this walking repository of the history, culture, politics, and military issues of the region. You might actually know enough to argue with him. Even given that I'm dumber than I was 20 years ago, I should be able to understand these issues better. Part of the problem is that we get a lot of piecemeal information -- this battle, that explosion -- and a great deal of opinion, but not as much contextual information. I know it's out there, but I like it served up on OS. Thanks for this.
Tom, I agree. I don't see the surge working unless we just go ahead and pay off the Taliban, too! I just saw Richard Engels on Hardball and he's probably spent more time in Afghanistan than anyone. Even he says it's pointless to stay without changing directions because there is no government in Kabul. Karzai just robs us and laughs. Nice work if you can get it. Engels has a special on MSNBC on Sunday night. I've already set the DVR. If anyone know Afghanistan, it's this guy.

Bruce, that shows how little I know about the AAfghan history. I had always thought they had grown and supplied poppies because that is about the only thing that will grow there. I had heard that the Taliban pretty much wiped out the trade, but didn't we help get the Taliban in power to fight the Soviets? I need to look deeper into this and get my facts straight.

Cappy, they don't let me near the cover. I'm black listed like you, I think. I'm convinced Rumsfeld let Bin Laden escape. No Bin Laden, no war. and no war in Iraq, either. They needed Bin Laden to live, but we sure didn't need him in Pakistan. That has definitely made the situation far worse. Pakistan is a powder keg that we can't ignore. they have a very shaky government and the bad guys are knocking on the door of Islamabad. they can taste those nukes. Of course, Musharif spending all the money we sent him to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda on other things didn't help. funny when it comes to war we have unlimited funds, but when it comes to helping our own people, Oops sorry, we're broke.
Sirenita, I'm afraid I'm not in the same league with Nanatehay. I get too much info from the talking heads and the printed paper. It's hard to read between the lines, but when I see something that doesn't smell quite right, I do start digging. Today I discovered that we aren't very popular in Pakistan due to their own propaganda machine that denies that we've spent billions trying to help them out. Nothing like an unappreciative populace. Of course they are like us, they only know what their government tells them.
Thanks for this post Mike, and for the overview of what's happened and is still happening over there.

"My own Audacity of Hope is that the President reaches a conclusion that the war against terrorists is better waged with high quality police and intelligence work followed by less invasive strategic strikes delivered by small lethal forces and robotic drones. I feel we would not only get more security for our money, but I also think this approach would lead to more cooperation from our allies and less hatred from our enemies."

What you describe there is what's being pushed as a middle road between what McChrystal wants and those who just want to bail immediately. By way of my take on this, here's part of a comment I left on my blog yesterday:

"There was a window of opportunity after we first went into Afghanistan, 2 or 3 years at least, when we could have built institutions (government, military, etc) and infrastructure there to a level where it would have been fairly difficult for the Taliban to come back as strongly as they have. Due however to the Bush administration's scorn for nation building and to the fact that they diverted most of our resources to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, that didn't happen. As a result, 8 years on, we're battling a resurgent and formidable insurgency and are saddled with an inept, corrupt government led by Karzai, a government which is a liability both to us and to the Afghan people. Until Obama took office, the mission in Afghanistan was severely under-resourced, so any strategic or tactical advantage we had at the outset has been negated. As a result, we're left now with two options; either get out, or resource the mission properly, which means a larger commitment across the board, not just militarily but financially and politicially as well, and not just in Afghanistan but Pakistan. There are some, Joe Biden for instance, who claim there's a middle way, namely, reducing our force presence to a low level and focusing on what they call "counterterror operations." That's bullshit, just a different version of the way Rumsfeld tried to fight war on the cheap in Iraq; it doesn't work. It comes down to this; we either get the fuck out, or we give the commanders on the ground the resources they think are necessary. Just getting out, ie, withdrawing unilaterally and leaving what would soon be a failed state or a terrorist state in our wake, would be disastrous for not just us, but for Afghanistan it's neighbors. There are plenty of people who say that defeat is inevitable, but I think they're mistaken. I remember in 2006, the mantra was "We've lost in Iraq, we just need to get out." Three years later, though still far from ideal, the situation in that country is far more stable, due to the Sunni Awakening and General Petraeus' surge strategy and the fact that we didn't bolt when the going got tough. If we had bailed in 2006 or '07 when the received wisdom was that we'd already lost, that country would most likely have descended into full scale civil war, possibly embroiling the whole region in the process. I feel we're at a similar crossroads in Afghanistan; withdrawing now would be a huge mistake. While staying is going to be difficult and costly, leaving right now would ultimately be m0re so.

This is all just opinion of course, but it's informed opinion, based on years spent studying everything that's taken place since 9/11. I'm not a hawk, not a lover of war for war's sake, quite the opposite in fact, but America, the ADD country, has a long, sorry history of making messes then walking away when it becomes convenient to do so. We did that after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in '89, and all you have to do is look at the WTC attack to see how well that worked out for us."
We had our priorities when the Soviets were on the brink of securing a warm water port on the Indian Ocean; (not to mention a pipeline) but the CIA has had it's hands dirty and into the opium trade for decades. We took over from the Brits, who showed the whole world how to be evil colonialists.

When the Taliban came to power after they kicked the Russian Bears' ass outa Afghanistan, the tables turned; and the Taliban declared the opium trade was evil and against Allah; so they prohibited the farmers from growing poppies. This put a major kink in the cash flow of the CIA (Chaos In Action) so the US had to do something to restore the flow of heroin back into the industrialized world. People were cleaning up...

911... and presto! we went back into Afghanistan and whipped the now evil Taliban (formerly the good guys, ref. Charlie Wilson's War) and got the farmers to grow poppies again. Poppies = opium = heroin = billions of dollars...

Make sense...? You can't let all that income go to waste.

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"My own Audacity of Hope is that the President reaches a conclusion that the war against terrorists is better waged with high quality police and intelligence work followed by less invasive strategic strikes delivered by small lethal forces and robotic drones."

That is it. And no, Michael, the situation is NOT more complicated than this. You are are right and that is that.

Afghanistan is the most ignorant culture on the planet. We must warm up to the fact that it is a culture of revenge and that they DO very well know the value of $50 million, but they still won't give him up. We must also realize that Afghanistan stands alone in the Muslim world. Afghan tribes are the only ones willing to play the military industrial complex's game.

We should withdraw completely from Afghanistan; instead, isolate it by offering all the help Pakistan needs to stop and rid of the Taliban.

This a great read, clever and most importantly, right.

Rated.
Mike: wow! Some of your very finest writing, and that includes the thought that is behind it. I could not agree more.

I have been saying for months, we need to get out. I would really rather see us get out completely. We can't win. We can't even define winning. But it sure as hell isn't nation building, or whatever the hawks now think is the proper use of the military.

I guess I am just an old curmudgeon but I remember when the military was to fight. Period. Now we turn the military into public relations, sociology, psychology, construction supervisors and community organizers, and wonder why things don't go well. When they fight they do well. When they put on hats that they are not trained to wear they do not.

We can't build a nation where we are not wanted. And we shouldn't be in the nation building business in the first place.

Great post.

Monte
Wouldn't it be fine if we devoted all that energy to (re)building our own nation...?
very good chance there is no 'good option.' i suspect the final decision will depend on what looks likely to get democrats elected.

incidentally, it's time to stop getting sentimental about the 'troops'. they are volunteers, fighting a presidential war against a people who are zero threat to the american people. they are not quite mercenaries, of which there are roughly equal numbers doing the really dirty work, but they have handed over to a politician the power to decide who they should kill. this is unwise, at best.
Michael, I love the diversity in your posts and in your writing. This post is excellent and well thought out.
Nana, You make some brilliant points here. I'm still on the fence as what I would do in this situation, but we will never get the full story o what is going on over there. It's similar to putting a jigzaw puzzle together with many missing parts.
I realize that we missed a golden opportunity to really do something positive with Afghanistan, I'm also aware of the U.S.' never staying the course and cut and run policies. They REALLY suck. My main problem with staying the course is a matter of resources and some other issues.
First off, where are we going to find fresh troops? We've got bases all over the world. Could some be gleaned from them? I suppose so, but can't say for sure. I would call any troops that have seen battle off limits, but that's just me.
The second thing is where is the money to come from? We will have to defeat the Taliban all over again and start from square one. Eight years and billions wasted. Not good.
Third, Karzai is a huge problem. He has accomplished nothing of value that I can think of. I could be wrong about that, but think he needs to be replaced, but with who or what? He was just l
"legally" elected giving him full opportunity to continue to rob from the very people that are trying to help.
Fourth, are the American people going to stand by while billions more are poured into Afghanistan? Opinion polls say no. Not while 45,000 die in our own country each year due to lack of medical care, people are losing their homes and 10% (more like 17%) of our people are not working and the economy is in the crapper.
Another thing that really bothers me is Pakistan. In my mind they are the most dangerous place on the planet right now. Working from a peaceful Afghanistan would be a plus.
A final thought is that the Afghani people are, above all else, survivors. No one has been able to tame them in 2000 years. Our pulling out would have little effect on them in the long run. They've been through this many times before.
What I would really like to see is some dialogue with the Taliban and try to work out some agreement allowing a good sized force to remain for the purpose of actually helping and improving the country. I think most believe that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are inseparable, but I'm not sure that is true. There has to be some common ground there, doesn't there?
Personally, I don't see the Taliban being that much worse than Karzai in many ways. At least they nearly wiped out the heroin trade when they were in power. I don't know how much Karzai has improved the rights of women for example, but I haven't heard of any miracles in that regard.
These are just some thoughts that go through my mind. I honestly don't have the solutions.

Dyno, This is all very interesting. Life is full of eye openers. Thanks for supplying me with another one.

Thoth, Thanks for the visit, I'm still not convinced in my mind about a full withdrawal being the right thing. I don't think we've exhausted all measures yet that could have positive outcomes. Common ground and stop the killing would be a good start.

Monte, I have little thought that we don't have the best fighting men and women on the planet. And I totally agree that our military should stick to fighting and stay out of politics, but how do you go backwards? I suppose Obama could do much in that regard.
I would also like to get rid of all mercenary contractors, even if it meant a return to some sort of limited, dare I say the word, draft. They are far too expensive and do little to help moral and give the US a black eye in a lot of cases. All that money could be used to give raises to the troops and maybe entice more volunteers, making a draft unnecessary.

The Afghans will survive whether we stay or go. Those people are resilient!

Dyno, That would be a fine thing, indeed.

Al, "very good chance there is no 'good option.' i suspect the final decision will depend on what looks likely to get democrats elected." This sort of thing goes into every equation of political decision across the free world. No big surprise to anyone that is paying attention.

I do take offense to the way you refer to our troops. Australia doesn't have a military? Whether they are volunteers or not, to not respect the duty they do, is insulting to them. Do you feel this way about your own troops?
I would love to see the world without a need for armies that kill, but in reality that prospect doesn't work very well. Those without a military are soon over run by other forces. I will never apologies for having compassion for our troops. Sorry.
Mary, I'm more than just another pretty face! ;-)
Regarding your response to my comment Mike, I'd need to do a post to answer it item by item, and the thing is, I don't have the answers to every point you've raised. You're asking exactly the right questions though. The truth is, there are no good options, and no matter what Obama ultimately decides he's going to get hammered from both sides for it. He's not going to just pull out unilaterally; that's one promise he made during the campaign which he'll keep. He is likely to give McChrystal some of the troops he's asking for but not the full 40,000, but I seriously doubt whether that will do much to stabilize the situation. Compromise can be a great thing, but sometimes compromise just amounts to the worst of both worlds.
Thought-provoking, Michael and extremely well-written. You have a gift, my friend. This an op-ed piece if I ever saw one.

R