The bloom is escaping the Obama rose, it seems. A new NYT/CBS poll suggests pretty strongly that while a vibrant majority still approves of Obama's trying to change things, they don't think that what he's done so far succeeds in changing much of anything.
A distinct gulf exists between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.
That last little jibe is the standard NYT attempt to ignore the Bush mess while hinting that Obama isn't a real president but some feel-good mistake on our part. Ignore it. important is that what people have told the polls is accurate: we do approve and even demand change but we're not getting it and we know it.
On Wednesday, President Obama unveiled what he described as “a sweeping overhaul of the financial regulatory system, a transformation on a scale not seen since the reforms that followed the Great Depression.”
In terms of the sheer number of proposals, outlined in an 88-page document the administration released on Tuesday, that is undoubtedly true. But in terms of the scope and breadth of the Obama plan — and more important, in terms of its overall effect on Wall Street’s modus operandi — it’s not even close to what Roosevelt accomplished during the Great Depression.
Rather, the Obama plan is little more than an attempt to stick some new regulatory fingers into a very leaky financial dam rather than rebuild the dam itself. Without question, the latter would be more difficult, more contentious and probably more expensive. But it would also have more lasting value.
And we're not even trying. The reasons are simple and Digby does a nice job today of laying them out: the Third Way BS and Reagan.
Low taxes, eliminating welfare ("as we know it") demagogueing entitlements and expanding military spending has pretty much been Reagan's program which both parties continue to run on and govern with. You'll recall that Bill Clinton declared "the era of big government is over." And Obama famously evoked Reagan during the campaign and more recently talked about striking a "Grand Bargain" on cutting "entitlements." (Or Peter Orzsag saying that social security reform is "a test of manhood.")
Of course, this comes back to the basic problem of the Democratic party which lost its moorings some time back and even with a huge majority can't seem to figure out how to govern outside the center right paradigm. (That assumes they would even want to do that, which is, at this point, highly questionable.)
On health care, arguably the most important Democratic initiative of our lifetimes, they are bargaining away any hope of real success because basically it cannot fit into the Reagan governance program. They took single payer off the table years ago and the presidential candidates kicked it completely out the door. Today, as dday lays out in all its ugly detail below, they are bargaining away the public option, the only hope of keping the insurance companies from irrevocably corrupting the reform efforts. Evidently, they refuse to fight the insurance companies which, after the banks (who have also asserted their ownership of the US government) are their most valued benefactors.
I and others have been predicting ever since we saw the Wall Street JoyBoys Obama has surrounded himself with, from Rahm to Timmy to Larry, et al, that there weren't going to be any substantive changes no matter what Obama's rhetoric seemed to be promising - or did promise. And we were right. We have the Democrat party as deeply mired in Reaganism as the GOP and a long-time establishment president who dumped his liberal roots to nurse his ambitions. We're getting sold down the river, and to the same guys who created the flood that destroyed our homes and businesses.
The only question left is whether Obama is canny enough to read the writing on the wall and dump his slavish dependency on TW conservatism in favor of what we the people want, or if he is going to pull a Bush and stubborn us into long-term bankruptcy, finishing the job Bush began of making us the first First World nation to voluntarily turn itself into a Third World dungheap. He's smart enough but is he flexible?
More important, is he brave enough to pull an FDR and tell the corpo's to go to hell?


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That certainly is your right...just as it is the right of die-hard conservatives to suppose that people on the left...and in the center...are assholes who eat their young at every opportunity.
I am in the unenviable position of agreeing with them more than with you.
I hate that!
YOU WROTE: "Moving in the wrong direction; how else to view that except as failure?"
RESPONSE: Well, you could start by not seeing it as “moving in the wrong direction”…but rather as “moving in a different direction.”
And you can easily view it as “adjustment” rather than “failure.”
Respectfully as possible, Rick…
…during his campaign for the presidency, FDR promised this country that he would not lead it into war…that he would not get involved in “that European mess.”
He started moving in a different direction after he became president (of course, you would see it as “moving in the wrong direction.”
And although you would have no recourse except to view what he did as “failure”…others view it as a necessary course adjustment…and anything but failure.
But it's NOT a different direction, Frank. That's the point of all this. We voted for change and instead we're getting Bush-Lite - the same old/same old failed policies only led this time by conservative Dems instead of neoconservative Pubs.
FDR reacted to changing circumstances when he shifted his priorities around. There are NO changing circumstances here. The economic crisis was here and understood when he was running. So was Gitmo, so was Iraq. Obama has shifted his priorities even tho NOTHING HAS CHANGED. That's either blatant fraud or he's suddenly listening to people he wasn't listening to when he was campaigning.
And really, after criticizing Bush for 8 yrs and watching him send this country into the dumper in every conceivable way, wouldn't it be a tad hypocritical of us to praise Obama for doing the very same things and irresponsible if we see he's making things worse and say nothing?
Finally, who's doing the "eating" here, anyway? I feel like we're being taken for another Wall Street ride and if that's true he's eating us, it ain't t'other way round.
YOU WROTE:
“But it's NOT a different direction, Frank. That's the point of all this. We voted for change and instead we're getting Bush-Lite - the same old/same old failed policies only led this time by conservative Dems instead of neoconservative Pubs.”
RESPONSE: Read what I wrote in the context of an answer to what Rick had written.
It IS A DIFFERENT DIRECTION…different from the one Rick and apparently you, were expecting.
If you want to deem it to be a “wrong” direction…do so. That is your right. I think you are selling Obama…and the process short by doing so…and that is my right.
YOU WROTE: “FDR reacted to changing circumstances when he shifted his priorities around.”
RESPONSE: Apparently you know for a fact that he was not simply doing what he intended to do all the time.
I’m impressed. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? Why are you so certain that he was the one politician we KNOW did not lie about what he was going to do because he wanted to get elected?
YOU WROTE: “ There are NO changing circumstances here.”
RESPONSE: Of course there are changing circumstances, Mick. The guy has just assumed an office that has access to so goddam much more than he had access to before taking over…it is not even funny. Of course there are changing circumstances…because now he actually has to do things…rather than simply promising to do them. And some of the things make more sense NOT TO BE DONE. Circumstances are changing all over the place.
YOU WROTE: “ The economic crisis was here and understood when he was running. So was Gitmo, so was Iraq. Obama has shifted his priorities even tho NOTHING HAS CHANGED. That's either blatant fraud or he's suddenly listening to people he wasn't listening to when he was campaigning.”
RESPONSE: That is one way of looking at it. Another way would be to see it as he is doing his job the way he thinks is best, knowing what he knows now…and being relieved of having to make promises to get his base to get off their asses and vote for him.
YOU WROTE: “And really, after criticizing Bush for 8 yrs and watching him send this country into the dumper in every conceivable way, wouldn't it be a tad hypocritical of us to praise Obama for doing the very same things and irresponsible if we see he's making things worse and say nothing?”
RESPONSE: So don’t “praise” him! Just mention that you are not satisfied…but that you are willing to give him more than 6 months to fix all the problems of the world. And try to be a bit more understanding about what is going on…rather than always seeing it in its worst light.
Or…just keep knocking him as much as possible!
As I mentioned, the conservatives think you liberals eat your young at every opportunity. I think it is damn decent of you folks to have enough respect for them as fellow citizens and fellow humans to show them how right they are…no matter what it costs you or our country.
I love ya, Mick. Your heart is in the right place…and you will never appreciate how much I feel your pain…or the pain of Dennis Loo or some of the others. But patience is a virtue…and you are not showing it right now. Give him a chance! My guess is he is going to surprise you.
Or make it harder for him by withholding support.
Whichever!
Leaders lead and the sheep will follow. He's trying to lead from behind the herd so, yeah, Mr. Dumbfuck President, it is impossible to implement change from that self-imposed position. Wishful thinking is what destroyed us the past eight years ("All out wars are good wars!") and if we don't pull out of this spiral the damage will only continue.
But I often am impressed with you…so don’t let it go to your head!!!
In a recent analogy of my own, I used: He’s playing the cards he’s holding right now!
I like your analogy better. Much better.
I hope we are both right...and that he proves to be efficient rather than a major fuck up. But the only way to find that out...is to be patient. And better that we not try to be a lead weight around his neck!
To use the quarterback analogy, Obama’s play would be analogous to a quarterback who calls a play in the huddle, and then when the ball is snapped ignores his open receivers and hands the ball off to the defense.
So, essentially, what we have is what actually IS happening, versus what others would like to see as happening, but who can’t quite define or describe what it is that they think they see happening.
But here’s my qualifier; I never misread what he was saying while he was campaigning, which is the problem so many are having now --- they heard what they wanted to hear instead of what he was saying, just like now they are seeing what they want to see instead of what is actually happening.
Obama is dropping the polls because people are starting recognize this, and starting to feel the corn cob sans lube.
Frank, as I've tried to say before, I appreciate your loyalty and your patience but I can see what I can see, and as Rick says again so peceptively, I think what you're seeing is what you want to see. We already played that game with Bush. It didn't work out very well, did it?
Let's take the analogy a little further. It seems to me that Obama is playing like a quarterback who hasm totally misread the opposition and believes them to me muchg stronger than they actually are, that he's pulling his punches as if his team were facing the 1097 Steelers when what he's actualfacing is the lame the 1990 Seahawks.