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JUNE 12, 2009 3:21PM

Starved Rock State Park, Vacation or Ghost Hunt? UPDATED

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I’m heading to Starved Rock State Park this weekend; miles of hiking trails, beautiful scenery, great food, and picturesque waterfalls. Ah, the great outdoors! This park fascinates me, plus it’s a wonderful opportunity for picture taking. The lodge was built in the 1930s, by the Civilian Conversation Corps, thanks to Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal. I’ve even stayed in one of the log cabins located just outside the lodge and I’ve experienced the tranquility of a massage in the spa cabin. I’ve relaxed in the whirlpool by the indoor pool and taken a load off my feet while sitting in an oversized chair in the great room next to the massive stone fireplace, ensconced in a book. It is the perfect get-a-way!













Created when glaciers masked this area, Starved Rock boasts 18 canyons, four miles of majestic sandstone bluffs and fascinating rock formations. My favorite local legend is of two young lovers. Forbidden to marry by the chiefs of their tribes and unable to live without one another, they climbed the largest rock, joined hands and leapt to their deaths in the turbulent Illinois River waters below. Now, I ask you, how romantic is that?




French explorers passed through this region and several Native American tribes called it home. Starved Rock derives its name from an old legend of vengeance where two Indian tribes surrounded the bluff area of the park, denying food and water to the Illiniwek, starving them in retribution for murdering Pontiac, chief of the Ottawa. Tourists are encouraged to use extreme caution when hiking the trails year round. Years ago, I was never afraid to go there alone, but now that I’m older, I flat out refuse. Seriously, it seems at least once a year someone falls to their death off the exact bluff where the Illiniwwek supposedly died. But, for me, this isn’t the worst of it.

In the dead of a cold March winter, in the year 1960, three middle-aged, vacationing, socialite women seeking tranquility, drove down from Chicago, leaving behind their husbands and children, so they could enjoy a few days of nature and friendship. They lunched in the same dining room I often eat, then, taking the same path I often walk, wandered more than a mile into the woods, down winding trails in search of frozen waterfalls. Two days later, Frances Murphy, Mildred Lindquist and Lillian Oetting, were found murdered in St. Louis Canyon where two of the women had been raped. Wrists tied with twine, all were stabbed numerous times and bludgeoned in the head so badly they were hardly recognizable.

You will find Steve Stout’s accurate and in-depth book, “Starved Rock Murders,” for sale in the gift shop. I called Steve and spoke to him for about an hour last week, after I realized the murderer was up for parole again. He told me about other rapes and robberies occurring during the same time period at Starved Rock and Mattheissen State Park, right up the road, which police believed were also the handy work of the killer. He went on to inform me this crime forever changed forensics across the nation. Steve explained that a recent four-inch snowfall covered any tracks, making it nearly impossible for police to uncover evidence of the crime. Liquid petroleum gas tanks had to be hauled into the canyon to help slowly melt the fallen snow.

A lodge employee, Chester Weger, finally confessed to the murders, but later recanted stating he had been coerced and threatened with the electric chair by detectives responsible for the investigation. His statement was taken in the pre-Miranda days and no lawyer had been present during his interrogation. Weger is serving a life sentence and has been trying to get his case re-opened, asking the Governor of Illinois to dig up the bodies of these three women so DNA testing could be conducted, since it was not available at the time of the murders. The families of these women have fought this request and so far, the Governor has sided with them.

To this day, many people do not believe that Chester Weger acted alone in this brutal murder, but it seems to me, after serving more than 47 years behind bars, he would have come up with the name of his accomplice. This hasn’t happened.

I know it seems hard to believe that one man could murder three women, but you must realize, I come from the city where Richard Speck was tried and found guilty of murdering eight student nurses. With all the craziness going on in the world today, I feel much safer walking into the woods with a companion, preferably one that knows martial arts and isn’t into auto-erotic asphyxiation.











Photo of two of the victims taken just before heading out on the trails
that fateful day and photo of police investigation.
Thank you to Steve Stout for photos.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Also, please visit here for Procopius's interesting post and more on this story.
 
 
 
MOUNT STERLING —

Chester Weger, the so-called “Starved Rock Killer,” on Wednesday told a state parole official that he deserves to be freed from prison after more than 40 years because he isn’t guilty.

Weger and five of his family members made their case to Prisoner Review Board member Thomas Johnson, who conducted the board’s customary interview of an inmate seeking parole. The full board will decide later whether to grant the request.

Weger was convicted of beating Lillian Oetting to death in 1960 at Starved Rock State Park near Utica. The suburban Chicago woman had gone to the park with Frances Murphy and Mildred Lindquist. All three bodies were found in St. Louis Canyon.

Authorities have said they believe Weger, who was a dishwasher at the park, killed all three woman, but he was convicted only in Oetting’s death.

But questions have been raised about whether Weger committed the crime. His sister, Mary Pruett, said Wednesday that people have been “coming out of the woodwork” with information that could help her brother and should have been disclosed long ago. 

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Another scary story for Mr. Mustard!!
Wow, beauty and ghost stories! Cool. Good for you to check into the mystery.

This makes me want to check out the history of Eureka Springs AK, an old hot springs town where I am visiting next week.
I head about Starved rock sine childhood but have never visited. I'll have to talk my brother and sister-in-law into a weekend soon. Your pics are fabulous and your short synopsis of the murders chilling.
"I feel much safer walking into the woods with a companion, preferably one that knows martial arts and isn’t into auto-erotic asphyxiation." BWAHAA!
Now, don't be pickin' up any Indian guides...from the sounds of it, they may have a penchant for grabbing females' hands and plunging off cliffs!
Have a great, relaxing trip.
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Ooops...I meant Eureka Springs Arkansas, AR
C Berg, I have been going there for years so I have been well aware of the mystery. I've simply never written about it before. Plus, this blog gave me excuse to call the Steve Stout. Very knowledgeable person, that Steve!

Here's how sad I am... I saw the AK and immediately thought Arkansas! You didn't even need to correct it! LOL

Mothership, we may have to meet there!
Have fun. Ms. Stim and I were there a couple weekends ago. We're planning on going back in the fall.
How were the mosquitoes? (I struggled with that... e? no e? dang, I feel like George Bush!) With all the rain we have had lately, I am planning on taking loads of Deet!
Have a great, wonderful time. Sincerely, John
The mosquitoes weren't bad. But this was before we got all the rain. Mosquitoes are fond of dawn and dusk feeding. Plan accordingly and wear a hat (tics).
i saw a program on PBS about starved rock, and it seems like a fascinating place. i love the idea of combining a vacation to a scenic and historic place with ghost hunting; have fun this weekend, but don't get any ectoplasm on ya!
Oh you can write a scary story. And the terrible tales from history! More, please! Rated!
Stop by Starved Rock if you must, Mothership, but then do your actual hiking down the road at Mattheissen. It's prettier and only the "locals" hang out there. Fewer crowds, and the Lower Dells hike is breathtaking. But don't go when it's too wet--impassable trails at a certain point in that case.

I spent a lot of time at Mattheissen (well, OK, we called it Deer Park--its original name) as a kid / teen. Favorite family gathering spot.

Read "The Starved Rock Murders" as a 7th grader. Spooooooky.
Have a great time exploring and hiking. Take pictures. Let the energy encompass you. And if you need any Martial Arts kind of protecting you know the number. Keep up with the travel writing: you excel at it. Seriously I wish I was there. Rated!
John Jacob Di Gasbarro, Thanks! I'm looking forward to getting out in some fresh air!

Stim, A hat! I rarely think of that.. and with ticks.. ewww! Good thinking!

nanatehay, I'm going to have to look for that PBS special. I don't think I have seen it. I'll see if my camera catches anything out of the ordinary! oooowwweeeeoooo

zumalicious, Thanks Zumy! I just try to keep the customers satisfied! And not get to spooked out along the way!

Verbal Remedy, Thank you, Verbal, for the correct spelling of Mattheissen. My Googling skills are lacking today! I also heard it is a much more interesting park. My daughter comes home later this summer, so I think I'll drag her hiney up there.
Mr. Mustard, I totally thought of you when I wrote that last line! I would love to travel and write these stories... Okay, now.. whose willing to pay me???
Well......this is one of the most incredible places I have ever had the pleasure of staying. We stayed one Chirstmas. The trails were surprisingly dry and welcoming, with the falls not quite frozen. the lodge is unsurpassed in elegance and skill of design.

Now you talk about this grizzly murder!! thank goodness I didn't know about it in the late 80's. I love this place with the legends and varied topography. Next time I go, I'll be watching for lost spirits.

thank you Middle!
It's a little known jewell that you are about to visit. And thanks for the little history. I've heard of the murders, but not in the detail you provide. I seem to recall another similar incident happening there later in the '60's or '70's.
Looks like a great place, but yes, don't go alone!!!
Gary! Good to see ya! Steve Stout wrote his book sometime in the 80s and I'm not sure when the Lodge opened a gift shop. In the beginning they may have thought it too controversial to carry the book, not wanting to scare away visitors. But, today, people love this ghost hunting stuff.

I think these lodges are probably all over the USA, thanks to Roosevelt. Lucky us!

Procopius, this happened in 1960... I have not heard of another incident, but now I will have to check it out.

Interestingly enough, when these murders took place, the manager of the lodge told employees not to discuss the incident with police and let them do their own investigating. I wonder what he was afraid of. I heard his son was a suspect for awhile, or perhaps he, too, was afraid of losing tourism money.


Who's gonna pay me... geesh.. not whose.. I know these things, but my mind is working faster than my fingers today apparently!
Thank God, Mother hasn't visited yet! LOL I'd be in hot water!
Fascinating. I've been wanting to go to Starved Rock for awhile now- maybe I'll get there this summer finally? Have fun!
Cool! Thanks for taking us along on this. Was with you every step!
Just Juli... Just Do It!! (I borrowed that from Nike) :)

Chicago Guy, how about having the next Chicago meet up at the Starved Rock Lodge? ROAD TRIP!
Thanks for this. As I've gotten older and wiser I realized how stupid! it is for women to go hiking along or with another woman. In our predator society, that's like putting a target on our forehead. Many, many women have been killed while hiking/camping as it provides killers with a perfect location: isolated. I get nervous even hiking with one man because he can easily be shot and there goes my "protection."
Lois never heard of this place. Have fun and thanks for sharing.
It sounds like the perfect vacation...relaxation and some adventure (even if a little creepy). Have a great time.
Very cool! Looks like a beautiful place with some interesting history. I can see why you would revisit this place again and again.
This looks like an awe inspiring place. Love the park cabins built by the CCC. Stayed in them in Georgia a lot.
Rated for the romantic joining of hands and jumping in the river. How sweet!
What Verbal said. Deer Park is beautiful and great for hiking. The Cajun Connection in Utica is always being recommended to me and when I stopped by there two weeks ago right at supper there was a line so I went elsewhere since I was starving. There was for the longest time an abandoned theme park near starved rock called Story Book Gardens ( or something like that) it was so sad to drive by and see Little Bo Peep up to her knees in weeds. Enjoy.
Lest I seem to be dissing Starved Rock, I'm not. It's fine. It's lovely. :-) It's just...not Deer Park/Matthiessen.

And then they went and overdeveloped it and put a deck and rails up on the rock, so the only people who fall to their deaths nowadays tend to be abject idiots who are drunk, showing off, and tempting fate.

One of my prom dinners was at the Starved Rock Lodge, by the way. :-)
Been there several times. Enjoy.
Wow. I've been to Starved Rock several times, but never knew this story. Thanks for telling it (I think . . .).
Wow, that's a pretty scary story because it's so true!

I guess where there's beauty a beast lurks near by...
Looks lovely, I hope you come back refreshed.

I'm heading out of town next week. May only blog using photos, lol.
From the incredible beauty and story of the CCC lodge, to the gruesome murders, what a tale! I love this stuff. Rated
oooh, a summertime ghost-story! (I've got goosebumps ;)) Wonderful graphics -- hope I get there someday.
He was just up for parole in 2008, and now again. I feel terrible for the families of those women.
I live nearby and visit regularly and capture unusual things on my camera..orbs mists but my main comment is...is chester really guilty? a man in seneca ,Il about 15/20 miles from starved rock murdered his entire family a few years after this happened and admitted to killing the ladies at starved rock, but no one believed him and just said they already have the murderer. I visit several times a year and always in feb-march to get the frozen falls. I feel their spirits are still here because the crime hasnt really been solved....just my opinion after reading steves book.
I was just there a week ago, walking the same paths those poor women walked and thinking of them the entire time. Some of those paths have changed, I noticed this year. I personally spoke with Steve and he absolutely believes Chester is guilty. Why would you say you have doubts after reading his book? Do you have any links or names regarding the family murder you spoke about? Chester had committed several rapes in the area and was identified as such. I'm not sure why there is this hullaballoo from a certain fraction of the community that Chester is innocent. They even proved the rope he used came from the same twine as the restaurant kitchen.