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JUNE 25, 2009 2:10PM

Why We Should Care About the Sex Lives of Politicians

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In a recent post OS member Aaroncynic asks "Why Do We Still Care About Politicians' Married Lives?"   He concludes that we shouldn't.  He notes that "how one's marital status affects one's ability to say, decide whether or not torture should be practiced is beyond me," and that"until we can get beyond trotting out someone's various relationship issues in a soundbyte shouting match, the prevailing perception will be that Americans care more about what goes on in someone's bedroom than about issues like poverty or war."

Certainly it does seem that what goes on in the bedroom is quite trivial compared to war and peace, hunger, torture, and countless other life and death issues.  So really, why should we care about what politicians do in their private lives, given how insignificant sex is compared to all of these other issues?

Imagine, for example, that we were all working in a coal mine -- just us -- and a canary.  One day the canary dies.

Some would say that the canary is an insignificant creature compared to a human.  In a pet store you can buy a canary for a few dollars.   The death of a canary does not threaten that avian species, and it certainly poses no threat to us or to our work in the mine.

But the problem is that the death of a canary in a mine may be a sign that something terrible has gone wrong -- it is possibly an early warning sign of a much greater problem, something that perhaps has even life and death consequences.

In modern times we tend to have a compartmentalized view of life.  We have our work lives, our recreation lives, our sex lives, and so on, and what goes on in one compartment is thought not to have anything to do with the others.  I suggest that the reality is quite different.

Sex isn't just sex; it has all sorts of other implications, especially (but not only) if it involves marital infidelity.  It relates to truth and falsehood, openness and secrecy, loyalty and betrayal, care and indifference, honesty and lying, promises and the breaking of promises.

In that context how one behaves sexually is one's personal "canary in a coal mine," and a sexual infidelity may have implications of much greater importance than the act itself. 

Sexual indescretions can indicate a tolerance for falsehood, secrecy, betrayal, and a general lack of ethical standards leading even to illegal activities or large-scale corruption.


Take, for example, what happened to Newt Gingrich's wife.  Wikipedia has a good summary:

Jackie Battley Gingrich supported him through graduate school and two unsuccessful congressional campaigns. She had undergone uterine cancer surgery during the successful 1978 campaign, which Gingrich was not averse to mentioning in his speeches. Eighteen months later, they separated. While in the hospital recovering from another uterine operation, according to his friend Lee Howell, “"Newt came up there with his yellow legal pad, and he had a list of things on how the divorce was going to be handled. He wanted her to sign it. She was still recovering from surgery, still sort of 'out of it,' and he comes in with a yellow sheet of paper, handwritten, and wants her to sign it.” According to Howell, friends in her church had to raise money for the separated wife of the congressman and her daughters.

newt

Beyond what he did to his wife, think about what Gingrich's behavior and intential actions say about the larger implications of his willingness to betray, to be indifferent, to break a promise, to use someone for his own advantage and then dump her while she was recovering from cancer surgery.  Based on that alone I would say that this is not someone who could be counted on to act in the public interest.


We see the same betrayal of public trust even with those who aren't politicians.  In 1980 television evangelist Jim Bakker had an affair with Jessica Hahn.  Once again, this was the "canary in the coal mine," and we were not surprised to hear of fradulent fundraising activities,  a ministry with no financial accountability, hush money paid to Ms. Hahn, and what was in effect a theft of funds from his contributors.

bakker


 In 2005 Sam Adams, now mayor of Portland, Oregon, began a romantic relationship with a young man who was 17 years old at the time and serving as a political intern.  Adams was 42 years old.  Around the time when the young man turned 18 the relationship became sexual.  When Adams' relationship became an issue in the 2008 Portland mayoral election,  Adams denied that the relationship existed and also asked the young man to lie about it.  Based on those lies Adams went on to win the election.  The Portland gay community is split, with some supporting Adams and some asking him to resign. 

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Many citizens feel that a man who lies in order to win an election can't be trusted not to lie in other things, and a committee to recall the mayor has been formed.  While the relationship was not illegal many feel that it was inaprorpriate, and in any case was the thing that inspired the lies that led to his election as mayor.


 The list, of course, could go on and on and would include liberals, conservatives, Democrats, and Republicans.  Just the last couple of days we have learned that the governor of South Carolina basically abandoned his state in order to have an affair.  In many of these cases we would see the same things over and over again.  The sexual indescretion often

1) spawns lies, conspiracies, secrecy, and cover-ups, or

2)  is one element of a larger web of corruption, or

3) is often a sign of a character defect that calls into question the fitness for public service  of the individual in question.

So we should care about the sexual lives of politicians, not in a moralistic sense, not in the name of "values," and not to throw dirt on someone, but simply so that we can have trustworthy public servants who will do a good job of governing.  If a person will cruelly betray his or her spouse, cover up the betrayal alone or in conspiracy with others, and lie about it in public, what it is that he or she won't do?

While it is true that some politicians have had affairs and still been good leaders, the question is whether we want to gamble on that.  In my humble opinion it is entirely reasonable to hold these people to a high standard -- not the standard of perfection, but perhaps we can at least expect them not to stab their spouses in the back and then lie about it.  If we expect more, perhaps they will behave better.

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i was about to say that i actually agreed with you two times in a row. then i realized i was dyslexic and read "why should we" instead of "why we should".

your record at getting it wrong is near 100% still. newt is an ass though, i'll give ya that.
I absolutely agree. If a politician is willing to lie and cheat on his spouse and family, who are the closest people to him, then he will lie and cheat on his constituency and us tax-payers. How can people not understand that? Character is everything. If you're going to lie and cheat, get out of politics, go work at McDonalds. It takes guts to be stewards of America - we don't need corrupt officials. See how well that's worked for Mexico?
I'm with Larry on this one.

If you wanna bad-mouth politicians...you've got lots more to work with than that they like to fuck women other than their wives. And any woman married to a politician who gets all bent out of shape because of infidelity...is making about as much sense as a woman who marries a rock star...or a professional athlete...or a cop!
So many people, not just politicians cheat on their spouses, that I am reluctant to make a blanket statement and say that a simple run of the mill affair is a good indicator of character issues.

However, so many of these guys in the public eye do more than just have an simple affair. Newt trying to screw his wife in the divorce is a big horking red flag. I can understand a marriage not working, you grow apart, yadda, yadda, yadda. But having it happen TWICE? Trying to screw your KIDS? No, no, no.

And there is a special place in hell for those guy who spend a inordinate amount of time poking about in our people’s sex lives, shaking the Big Scoldy Finger of Family Values, then getting caught with their pants down. Hypocrisy is one of my pet peeves, and the GOP has been petting it a lot recently.
Okay, so what about a married man who has an open relationship with his wife? Who knows maybe Bill had an agreement with Hillary.

Blatant hypocrisy is always a bad sign. It doesn't need to be sexual.
Aaron writes: "What does it mean if a politician stares at women or men on the street? What if he/she looks at porn? How would such situations count toward the high standard we would hold for these people?"

I think we can distinguish between trivial behavior and actions that constitute significant moral breaches. In my view cheating on a spouse should not be seen as trivial.

Frank writes: "And any woman married to a politician who gets all bent out of shape because of infidelity...is making about as much sense as a woman who marries a rock star...or a professional athlete...or a cop!"

I think that is overly cynical. When people marry they should expect that their spouses will be faithful, and being a politician, rock star, or anything else is not an excuse for stabbing one's spouse in the back.

Dragonfly writes: "So many people, not just politicians cheat on their spouses, that I am reluctant to make a blanket statement and say that a simple run of the mill affair is a good indicator of character issues."

Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think that adultery is ever "run of the mill." The adulterer humiliates, embarrasses, and betrays the very person to whom he or she should be most committed.

Malusinka writes: "Okay, so what about a married man who has an open relationship with his wife? Who knows maybe Bill had an agreement with Hillary."

Did he have that agreement also with his daughter? She also was a member of the family.
You raise some interesting points here, Mish, but I think you missed something in my original post that I tried to make a little clearer in a follow up that focused on the Sanford scandal: http://open.salon.com/blog/aaroncynic/2009/06/24/cant_we_be_mature_politics_and_marriage_part_ii

"Some people prefer the company of the same sex, others multiple people and some folks just aren't sure what they're into. "

"If we can't grow up here and realize that not everyone is the same when it comes to relationships, marriage and sex we're just going to keep seeing wave of "shocking revelations" followed by mumbled apologies and tears on television."

While valid in some cases, the canary in the coal mine analogy doesn't stand up, because that assumes that everyone in the society's goal is to be in the coal mine. If marriage is the canary in coal mine in reference to American politicians, who supposedly represent the masses, that assumes that they ultimately represent the goals and ideals of all American citizens. This would mean that somewhere the goal is to be married, in one form or another.

You say "but perhaps we can at least expect them not to stab their spouses in the back and then lie about it." That's a fair statement. However, that assumes that everyone should have a spouse. Why must the canary only be spousal? Shouldn't stabbing someone in the back apply to more than just that?

In my own state, my governor not only attempted to sell a senate seat, but he also tried to extort money from a charity. He however, has (as far as I know) been completely faithful to his wife and is quite the family man. Does he pass the test that Sanford and others fail?

From your last response to various comments (and other posts of yours I've read), you appear to be a pretty "traditional" kind of guy. That's all fine and good, but as part of a less traditional and (probably) younger set of people, the idea that marriage is ever lasting outside of death is changing. The idea that marriage is the cultural norm and an ultimate goal of the majority is changing. The historical Americanized version of the "tradition" of marriage is also quite debatable.

I think Maluskina said more than I've said in anything related to this issue: "Blatant hypocrisy is always a bad sign. It doesn't need to be sexual."
The debate aside, I definitely appreciate the comments and discussion.
loved every word, well written and awesome logic to boot - thanks
Aaroncynic writes: "Some people prefer the company of the same sex, others multiple people and some folks just aren't sure what they're into."

Sure, that's fine. One of the examples I list is of a gay man. Everyone around here knows that he's gay but it's not an issue. Lying about a relationship and encouraging someone else to lie IS an issue, as I think it should be.

What I'm particularly concerned about is how people treat those to whom they have made a serious commitment. That gets into the areas of honesty, truth, loyalty, and so on. If someone just wants to read Penthouse magazine, etc., I don't care about that. If someone wants to be single, is gay, bisexual, or whatever, I don't care about that either.

My concern, which perhaps I did not explain very well, was not to recommend a "one size fits all" sexuality, but rather to note that the sexual lives of politicians can have ethical implications that may make them unfit for office, especially when it involves infidelity in marriage. I'm responding to the idea that the sexual lives of politicians are totally private, and that we should not judge them based on their sexual activities.

Aaroncynic: "In my own state, my governor not only attempted to sell a senate seat, but he also tried to extort money from a charity. He however, has (as far as I know) been completely faithful to his wife and is quite the family man. Does he pass the test that Sanford and others fail?"

Certainly there are other ethical "tests." I don't mean to imply that being faithful to one's spouse is the be-all and end-all. It is merely one factor in evaluating the character of the person in question.

Aaroncynic: " . . . as part of a less traditional and (probably) younger set of people, the idea that marriage is ever lasting outside of death is changing. The idea that marriage is the cultural norm and an ultimate goal of the majority is changing."

Quite true. Unfortunate, in my view, but true. But even for those who divorce, there is a "right way" and a "wrong way," and one can be fair and kind to a soon-to-be ex-spouse.
Mishima:

YOU WROTE:

Frank writes: "And any woman married to a politician who gets all bent out of shape because of infidelity...is making about as much sense as a woman who marries a rock star...or a professional athlete...or a cop!"

I think that is overly cynical. When people marry they should expect that their spouses will be faithful, and being a politician, rock star, or anything else is not an excuse for stabbing one's spouse in the back.


The notion that a person not sleeping with others constitutes “faithfulness” is the problem. It is a convention…not an absolute. If a married man (or woman) were to go out to dinner with someone other than his or her spouse (or go for a walk…or enjoy a dance together)…no one in our culture would call that being “unfaithful.” (In some cultures all of those things would constitute unfaithfulness. ) But we have arbitrarily designated sex with someone other than the spouse as being an activity that constitutes unfaithfulness.

We ought to get over it!

Anyway…no matter how cynical (I prefer “realistic”) it may seem…someone marrying a person in the activities I mentioned is courting the danger of “unfaithfulness” big time. Why don’t you assume they realize that and accept the risk…and perhaps are not so devastated when it ultimately happens? As for the kids involved…well, it becomes a valuable life lesson.
Frank writes: "But we have arbitrarily designated sex with someone other than the spouse as being an activity that constitutes unfaithfulness."

The ideal of sexual exclusivity is accepted by the vast majority of heterosexual couples. I wouldn't call it arbitrary, since having sex with someone of the opposite sex can lead to the conception of children -- unlike having dinner with someone.

Frank: "The notion that a person not sleeping with others constitutes “faithfulness” is the problem. It is a convention…not an absolute."

Would you say it's an absolute if both parties have promised to be faithful as part of the marriage vow?

For example, if I plan on marrying someone, and she doesn't want to be sexually faithful, that's fine. It's just that I want to know about that up front so I can ditch her and marry someone else. In other words I just want to know what the deal is -- what a potential spouse proposes. If she plans on being faithful except for Wednesdays, great. If she plans on being faithful until some hot new guy comes along, that's great too. I just want to know what it is that is being promised, and then I can make up my mind whether I want to marry her or not. I think most people feel the same way.

Frank: "Why don’t you assume they realize that and accept the risk…and perhaps are not so devastated when it ultimately happens?"

Because when it happens most people are in fact devastated precisely because the other person has made a promise not to do that.
It is probably not a good sign in general, that i think is true, which is why it is punishable under the UCMJ.
Also, it does lend itself in politicians to blackmail.
Well, Mishima…some people care about other people sex lives…and sexual activities…and some people don’t. You seem pretty set on this issue…and that is your right.

I know that when I was reading your arguments, the thought that came to my mind was King Canute standing on the beach commanding the waves to stop breaking on the shores of his realm.
Another thought about whether or not we ought let them “lead” us…whether or not it matters:

Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Franklin Roosevelt were all womanizers.

Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter were not!

Oh…and Adolph Hitler wasn’t either.
I was somewhat familiar with the Gingrich story. Thank you for reminding us of just how cruel this man is.