I am extremely saddened to learn of David Carridine's death. First, he was a cool, cool person, interesting actor and what sounds like a very interesting human being. His loss is tragic. I feel for his surviving family members and friends.
But his tragic death, with its alleged element of self-strangulation and again, only alleged auto-erotic play with bondage is another reminder that, by keeping kinky practices in the shadows, we continue to see people meeting with accidents.
As a professional dominatrix, I am often asked to do activities that I find to be unsafe. A submissive man might call me and say, "I've fantasized about strangling myself at the moment of sexual climax -- will you help me with this fantasy?" As a professional, I would say, "Strangulation? No. Breath play? Yes." Safe breath play NEVER involves tying anything around the neck. In fact, it does not ever involve the throat or neck. It might involve, however, covering up the submissive's mouth and nose for a moment in which they experience the sense of strangulation, or loss of breath. It might involve covering the mouth and nose with a scarf, looking down at him, and seeing, in his eyes, his excitement at being unable to breathe. It might, alternatively, include wrapping saran wrap over his face and cutting only a very tiny hole at the nostrils. Or putting a mask on him, and lacing it up, so he breaths in the leather of the mask, and I zip the mask shut. There are many ways to do breath play which are exciting and edgy. But I do only what is safe. And many people have an interest in breath play that is more dangerous than what I will involved myself with.
But it's a shame that, in our supposedly open society, one is still met with issues of shame and degradation if a person is seen to have an interest in what is known in the profession as "breath play" or erotic breath play. It's really not that uncommon. And it is risky. The risk is part of the appeal for those who do it.
I am appalled that we still cannot speak openly about these kinks and erotic desires that probably half of the population experiences.
If, as alleged, Mr. Carridine's death turns out to be the result of an erotic experience gone awry, I see no shame in that. Any man who experiments and enjoys erotic pleasure is a man who has realized, Life is to be enjoyed and experienced, and if your desires are harming no one else, explore them. The tragedy, however, is that, if this is what occurred, he did not play safely, in the presense of another person who could do breath play with him that did NOT involve any unsafe practices involving the neck and throat. The tragedy is that, if this is what happened, he got too comfortable with the risk, or ignored it, and played alone, unsafely, without a non-judgemental partner at his side to keep him safe.
But then again, we tend to punish those who explore their kink by making it appear shameful. Meanwhile, many lead lives of solitary, kinky desperation with partners unwilling or unable to share or support their interesting erotic desires. Oh yeah, that's a way to live -- damping down your (legal) desires, avoiding exploration, and dying always wondering how things might have felt. Sure, that's to be admired.
I admire those who explore.
Mistress Aubrey


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But breath play is never safe. There are only degrees of risk and stupidity. There have been studies showing that the brain is damaged each time a person is denied oxygen to the point of coming close to loss of consciousness, and that it happens before the victim even realizes it. And further that repeated breath play episodes result in repeated damage to the brain.
Not. Safe.
If you're talking about holding someone's mouth and nose closed for 15 seconds, or so, okay. But the nature of edge play is that it rapidly loses its edge and must be taken farther and farther in order to get the excitement, with the inevitable result that the line eventually gets crossed if there are willing partners -- or in the case of Carradine, even when there are not.
and counter to what dana suggests, as a baby, i freaked out my parents by hyperventilating until i passed out. they were convinced i was having seizures or something, and the doctor told them i was just having fun and to let me be. it does seem like the worst thing to do is to try these kinds of things by yourself with some kind of rig that ends up killing you.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/22810/breath_holding_spells_in_infants_and.html?cat=25
http://www.drgreene.com/21_557.html
this is also why i love reading erowid. curiosity can be dangerous when you try this stuff without a sitter or a teacher. and we've only begun to share notes with each other. be safe!
I attended a conference in the late 1980s for student gay rights organizations, and one of the presentations was something called "Safe and Sane Sado-Masochism," which made me shake my head and roll my eyes. "Oh boy, we have some nutcakes here." It seemed to me at the time that activists ought to be avoiding the appearance of deviancy. While I still believe at the time that it presented an inflammatory picture to the public.
Although I don't have any experience with this stuff, I have a much better impression of it now, and I'm grateful for your level-headed approach to the subject. To each his or her own, yes?
I share Dana's concern about brain damage and appreciate the info she posted about this. Safety should be paramount.
Thanks for posting.
I have learned much from sites such as Erowid and have probably kept myself a little safer through their use.
I have been fascinated by breath play and many other "kinky" types of sex, but insecurity, poor body image, and fear of rejection or ridicule from a partner have kept me away from some (but not all!) of the things I'd love to try.
Sorry but I don't see anything playful about depriving your brain of oxygen. Sounds more like flirting with death and there is nothing playful about that.
Sorry, I like fun and games but this seemed a little to risky for me. I'm 6'5" and have large hands. I could have easily damaged the structures of her throat without meaning to do it.
There are ways to engage in this type of play safely, as Mistress Aubrey describes in her post.
@Dana, as someone "in the scene", I have to respectfully disagree with you that engaging in certain types of edge play will always take you further. I think that what you're describing is akin to the anti-drug message that marijuana always leads to harder drugs. There are many, many reasons that people engage in particular types of "edge play." For some, it can become an addiction that requires ever higher risk, but that is not true for many of us.
And whenever AEA comes up in the news of someone's death, I can't help but think of that old X-Files episode with Peter Boyle as the psychic guy who knows how everyone he meets is going to die later on and who says to Mulder, "Don't you think auto erotic asphyxiation is a terrible way to die?" And Mulder asks, "Why are you asking me?" and Boyle answers, "Oh, no reason."
Much love for your post.
I’ve always respected and admired David Carradine, and still do. His untimely death doesn’t diminish “Grasshopper” in my eyes one bit. His charm, philosophizing, and free spirit still inspire me. Shit, he’s even more real to me now because he was a cool muthafucka not afraid to experiment.
One of the major sticking points in America is our failure to address our stickiness: cunnilingus (Hooray for honey!), fellatio, diverse sexual orientations, challenges to gender roles, and resistance to race rules.
I grew up in a house where folks fucked fiercely, made passionate and reciprocal love, imbibed porn while smoking weed, and then denied it all by Sunday morning. The end result was a lot of damn guilt on my part, BUT with some really cool ass fetishes and fantasies to get me through high school.
I don’t judge David or anyone who experiments. I can only offer what has worked for me: safe words (Like Dick Cheney or Bob Dole: old wrinkled tyrants = cold shower.) with a trusting partner and overall ground rules when engaging in acts with self and others.
Even when dickin’ around alone, there’s certain shit that I’d be mindful of, like being drunk or high while pouring with candle wax on my testicles. Those of us in the ballbusting fraternity know how a toy/hollow plastic hammer (lightly tapped) beats a steel one, and “castration” with dirty words, denial, and teasing beats a 3am trip to the bloody emergency room.
The healthcare system is screwed up enough without tops and bottoms flooding the gates!
It’s the “make believe” that drive me nuts ;)
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But not one of my antics causes anyone to potentially lose their lives or incur any physical harm.
I think someone who does the sort of things described in this post is the real total creep - not me.
There should be absolutely no harm because of a babe being naked!!
Was Carradine a victim of fowl play because he was chokin' the chicken?
1st, it's David CarrAdine, let's honor the dead properly, even if they died with a rope around their neck and genitals, and
2nd, erotic (auto)asphyxiation is way too problematic a concept (the movie "Donkey Punch", where a woman is killed as her male active partner ejaculates while trying to induce vaginal contractions by doing something akin to strangulating her, comes to mind) and it's not so much kinky as outright sick.
Mistress Aubrey
But I have always recoiled thinking about the infliction of pain or suffering as part of sex. I had a lot of mixed feelings reading the Story of O for that reason.
I have been pregnant three times in the last four years. The experiences of morning sickness, the unusual sensations of another human kicking around inside me (and in my son's case, kicking the crap out of my bladder) and the pain of labor and child birth and post-partum healing-- all of this got me thinking back to things like sexual masochism.
Sex does wind up hurting, sometimes, in the most vanilla, socially approved ways (i.e., procreation). Childbirth can also kill. So can STDs, for that matter.
Having spent so much time being pregnant the last few years, it does make me think about life and death when I am having sex. Sex creates and destroys, feels good and hurts.
So I think that biological reality -- the threat of procreation and death inherent in sex-- is somehow related to the fetishes and kinks of sadomasochistic play and autoerotic asphyxiation.
I just don't quite get why some people find it necessary and compelling to make the leap from imagination to actual risky behavior. Like that one guy from England who died in a stranger's closet a few years ago-- the guy who had agreed to wrap him up in latex and leave him struggling to breath in a closet for a few days ultimately killed himself as a result of the guilt of what had happened. Or Michael Hutchence's untimely death.
Just leaves me feeling kind of sick and sad inside.
Btw, Mistress Aubrey... In one paragraph, you write that you only do what is safe. In the next paragraph you write that breath play is risky.
While I am on board with exploring, pushing limits, heavy play, and the like, Breath Play is never safe, dear. It is irresponsible of you to bring this to salon and put it in front of so many people who are not in our scene and don't know what to to with it.
Having someone to watch over you during breath play is not a way to make it safe. It only ensures that you will have someone to call an ambulance if you vagel out. Your observer is probably not going to be prepared to deal with the heart attack this can cause.
If you really are a pro-domme, aubrey, you should know better than to bring this here. Stick to fetlife, sweetheart. There is a difference between having something to say and having to say something. I hope you learn it before someone gets hurt.
As for Mr. Carradine, I much appreciate this. I don't like the shame people are cloaking this in. We all have our dark sides sexually - or "other" side sexually. I think you or a commenter made the point that people get complacent and forget the risk. I think that was the case here.
SAfety is always the problem for humans in every situation. Else stop driving and stuff because almost anything you do can kill you if you alter it just right.
Mistress Aubrey
If he wanted breath play he should have looked into Tantra...