MoniqueC

MoniqueC
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Vancouver, Washington, USA
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December 20
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Queen
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What do you want to know? I mean, like, really? And is it relevant? Or does it just help to know who, or what I am? On the other hand, maybe you really adore me and are so fascinated by my writing you want to know everything about me. I suppose that's a possibility, but a slight one. I'll have to rethink this bio thing.

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SEPTEMBER 16, 2009 1:20PM

Don’t Call Me A Cougar

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Or, for that matter, any kind of wild animal.

Thank you.

I appreciate your cooperation.

I really do.

And for your information, not that you asked, I don’t stalk younger men in order to sink my talon-like claws into them and drag them back to my den. That would be wrong. I don’t really have talon-like claws, for one thing, and I’m happily married, for another.

Yesterday I discovered that some people have a problem with age differences. Can you imagine? It’s not as if anyone in this relationship is underaged, which would be a problem. Do I pronounce someone else’s marriage “creepy” because I don’t like it? (I might, but not right in front of them. I’d do it the proper way, behind their back.)

And for your information (not that I’m including you in this sort of thing, not at all, so I’ll change that . . . ) And for their information, when I wasn’t married or committed or wallowing in the depths of my singlehood, they were chasing me, not the other way around.

I know it’s hard to believe, but there’s that whole cougar myth thing going on out there. Honestly, some of the offers I received were downright hideous. Such as this: “I want to meet you and have a relationship but we couldn’t go out in public together but there’s lots of indoor activities we can do instead . . . “

Huh? I shooed the young boys away like swatting away flies, they were that consequential to me.

I shooed away my husband, for that matter, on the basis of age. “You’re far too young,” I told him, “So go away now.” Well, he didn’t, apparently, because he’s still here, even though there’s this 20 year age gap which becomes apparently only when . . . let me think. Here’s a good example: when we discuss the world before computers. He doesn’t really remember such a time. But that’s okay. I don’t really have any context for his numerous family trips to Hawaii since I’ve never been. (I know, how can that be possible?)

I’ve heard people say that these things don’t work because we’re in different life stages. Like we’re butterflies and he’s in the larval stage while I’m in the pupal stage? I could see how that would be a problem in a relationship.

I just consulted Wikipedia on a whim, and actually, I’m not that far from the pupa stage. As they say: Pupae are inactive, and usually sessile (not able to move about). They have a hard protective coating and often use camouflage to evade potential predators. That is so me, so maybe they have a point there, though I rather doubt it. Or maybe I’m a chrysalis, which seems to be the same thing but sounds nicer.

Remind me again, how does that relate to people? It’s not as if we all go through the same stages at the same time based only on age and never repeat them. As a real world example, I repeat stages all the time, especially the one at the beginning of adulthood when one’s trying to find their way. Rinse and repeat. I’m hoping to get it right one of these days. As for the charming husband, he’s always been at the grown up adult stage, though he is quite accomplished at acting like a 10 year old at any given time, and does, which makes me laugh, which is far more important than having attained the age of consent at the same time if you ask me. Even then, he surpasses me in emotional maturity, since emotionally I’m more like 7.

I think it’s the whole label thing I have a problem with. I don’t like labels. I’m label averse. How can you possibly define someone with a label? I’m so label averse that I’m sitting here looking at my new 6-drawer plastic file cabinet that’s been here for weeks and still doesn’t have labels for the drawers, which were to be labeled so I could fill each one with the appropriate papers. I’m so label averse I haven’t managed to make labels because what if I change my mind at any given time and want to put something else in drawer 2 instead of drawer 3?

So let’s count the ways in which I’m not a cougar: 1. I don’t like labels. 2. I’m not an insect. 3. I don’t have talons.

I think that pretty much covers it. Now just watch . . . someone’s going to call me a cougar. Sigh. Y'all are hopeless.

 

 

 

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Love your writing, Monique. Glad to know you're a pupa. And not a cougar.
Thank you for explaining this perfectly! I also don't "stalk" younger men and they seem to flock to me. I haven't dated anyone my own age in over 10 years.
Wait, maybe that's why I'm still single...
;-)
Some good writing here. I am having the same trouble with those pesky filing labels...
When people (OK - my parents) were concerned about the 15 extra years my sweetie has on me, I assured them that he was really immature. It didn't comfort them as much as it allowed them to bond with him in their mutual exasperation with me.

(um - what's a milf??)
As someone who's emotionally 2 years old, I think you're geriatric.
Loved your post! Absolutely h-a-t-e the term 'cougar!'
Support from a fellow older-than-my-husband sister. :)
I found something in your post very disturbing: You've never been to Hawaii??

(Okay, me either.)

Loved this. Agree totally. Given respective life expectancies, I think hooking up with a younger man evens the chances of growing old together.

And good for you -- choosing the person you want to be with. Period.
I said the same thing about MILF and got my cougar ass handed to me by some men who were super upset that I didn't like their label for what they deemed to be my boff-ability. Whatever.

Great essay. Rowr.
Frankly pupa sounds gross too! But remember, Cougar is not a role it is a fantasy... Many have the "Cougar" fantasy... high school teacher, MILF, whatever.... a fantasy. Sometimes love knows no age....
That cougar business is the most ridiculous piece of bullshit. I think it's supposed to shame older women and keep them from having relationships with men who are younger and make them appear desperate and ridiculous. This overlooks the fact that people of all ages have successful relationships and have been for a long time. It's not like the 21st century invented older women dating/marrying younger men. That's ridiculous. It's only now that, as it becomes somehow threatening, that it's relegated to these labels. It makes me want to find the narcissistic inventor of that phrase and kick his or her ass.
Very well said/written! Why do people have to judge other people and call them names. Can it be they are jalous of your 20 years together?
When I passed the approximate ages of being a Cougar there wasn't such a term for it, and besides, at age 40 I married a 52 year old. That has been going well enough for me for 19 years and now, though he is still 12 1/2 years my senior, we are both seniors and I don't think people notice so much anymore. But his friends at his college reunion did call him a cradle robbing dawg. At least he gets to be the critter here and not me. Funny how he seemed a bit proud of it, since he was definitely not a ladies man in college, got married just after and raised 4 kids. Dawgs of any kind just didn't seem to be in his character, so to be called one: funniest inaccurate label ever.

Great post Monique.
My best friend's 80 year-old mother has gone as young as thirty years her junior. When asked what she thought of being called a cougar she replied, "I don't give a shit."
....and rated. I love you style.
I also hate the term "cougar." I've never been with a substantially younger man but, after divorcing my Dad, my mother married a 20-years-younger man. I worried, at first, that he was more likely to hurt her and exploit her than an age-peer would be, but more than 20 years later, they are still together and one of the happiest long-term couples I know.
"Cougar" is disrespectful and derogatory. This summer just past, I was cast in a play in which the actor playing my husband was about 15 years younger than I. When someone asked my Director about it, she said that my character, "Might be a cougar." I really ripped her another one!
I think what really bothers me about "cougar" is that the only reason anyone would be interested in someone of a substantially different age is because they had some kinky fetish about age or youth (as opposed to just loving the person for his or her whole self.)
i do love your writing, monique.
Sounds like you are lucky as hell to me. Does he have a brother?
Thanks, Monique! Good one. All such labels are passive-aggressive because they allow others to be hostile without taking credit for their hostility. Like the "friend" who says "Wow! You look tired!" in a sappy voice, so when you call her on her rudeness she can pretend it's concern.
My wife's great-aunt is 17 years older than her husband. I'm 18 years older than my wife. That makes me... older than my wife's great-uncle.

Everyone's happy.
When my younger man first asked me out, they hadn't coined the term "cougar". He did, however, hit me with "Demi has Ashton, why can't I have you"? Since I'd known him for years platonically, I almost fell off the chair. Demi and Ashton were new at that time, but he got me with that line. When we first started dating in public, I imagined everyone was looking at us. 8 years later, it never crosses my mind.

"Cougar" is a derogatory term coined by ageists ( and I think sexists) and should be immediately deleted from our lexicon.
Older women should be going after younger men. Far better than bitching in blogs about how shallow older men are to like younger women. I cannot fathom why anyone has a problem with this.

There's a lot of talk here about the derogatory nature of "cougar." That must come from the way it's used in conversation, I guess, since cougars are rather attractive animals. I've never heard anyone speak it out loud, perhaps because I live in Hong Kong.
I've been meaning to get organized for the last twenty years at least. And despite flurries in the area of organization, I'm still resolutely piling rather than filing.

But I'm quite sure you're not a cougar.

Where's the corresponding unflattering predatory epithet for men who routinely date women young enough to be their daughters?

There doesn't seem to be one, other than dirty old man.
Wait, women don't like the term cougar? I thought women coined the label?
Oh, you slay me. Figuratively speaking, of course.
You should hear what your husband's friends call him ;)
As the younger man married to an older woman (12 1/2 years older) let me tell you that it is *not* always easy to cope with societal stereotypes. We have been together for 17 years now, and married for 14, so we have managed to figure it out. It would appear to me that it is much easier for the older person (man or woman) married to someone younger - echoing the "you dawg" comment. There are times when introducing her that I have received "and she is...?" and then I have to say "my wife".

When my wife and I were dating she was a very young looking 37 and was beating off younger guys with a stick, some 19 years younger. From what she tells me, none of them were interested in the relationship from a MILF or Cougar perspective. They were interested in her, like I am, because she is interesting, cool, funny, sexy etc.
My new husband is seven years younger than me. And I've heard plenty of crap about it. The whole issue about it being strange for a man to be the younger one in a relationship is a double standard.

When my husband and I were first dating and a friend of mine went on and on about how weird it was, I finally said "would we be having this conversation if he were seven years older than me?" After a long pause, she had to say no. That has been my response to people ever since and they inevitably look confused.
Well, I'm alone in this. I love cougars. They are elegant, only pounce to have dinner or breakfast, and are quite beautiful as my domesticated cats Zoe and Zeus. They too pounce on tiny mice. I get the remains on my doorstep.
However, I do applaud your love for your younger mate.
Nice piece ... as a guy who has never had ANY age issues, I can relate. I joke that my dating range is "+/- 50%" of my age. In the past 10 years, from age 33-43, I've dated women as young as 15 years younger than me, and as old as 18 years older than me. It's REALLY about the woman involved ... it's got nothing to do with how many times she's gone around the sun ...
The only labels I like are the ones that are on the inside of the clothing that the public doesn't need to see. Really well written, Monique! Congrats on the well deserved EP!
Hooray for you and definitely like the writing style.
I have several women friends who call themselves 'Cougars', and they are all hot! Great article, and Rated
Wow, so many comments! Thank you! I love comments. They make me happy, even if they're of the sort that say, "What were you thinking?" That applies to none of you however, even the ones that disagree with me.

I did explain milf to SarahAnne privately. We don't much care for that either. For one thing, I'm not even a mother. For another, well, go back and read Sandra's fabulous post about it. Sandra's fabulous.

I'm pretty easygoing myself. I just don't like labels.

Jocelyn, what do my husband's friends call me? I really want to know! They won't tell me, the little shits. (Did I say that out loud? I apologize to little shits everywhere.)
I'm out of it, I guess. I am married to a man only 11 months younger than I, so I don't qualify, but I wouldn't mind being called a cougar. Seems empowering and sexy, not derogatory. MILF is creepy. [Google it, dear, if you don't know what it stands for.] Many cougars aren't M's necessarily, and instead of being an object in the phrase MILF, a cougar is the independent cat.[sigh]
I, too, dislike the term.

Let's reverse the roles - what do you call an older man who goes after younger women?

"RICH"
Cougar is derogatory because it implies that an older woman would have to stalk and use deceptive and stealthy maneuvers to "capture" that younger "prey". Get it?

Cougar describes a ravenous carnivore, not a psychologically healthy woman attracted to someone who happens to be younger. When cougars capture prey, they don't take it out to dinner. It is dinner.

Stop using the phrase. It's demeaning. I can't imagine why Courtney Cox would star in a series of that title! She must have missed out on the women's movement of the 60s-70s?
From one non-cougar to another, purrrr. Thanks, this was a great posting.

It's hard not to be called a "cougar" when you're a happy, healthy, confident woman of a certain age.

For some silly reason, folks just gotta label and objectify women.
What's a happy, healthy, confident woman to do?

Meow, I say, and let them have their fun. We'll still be here. Basking in the sun, and enjoying life... ;-)
The first time I saw the word "cougar" was in reference to Reese W dating Jake G. I thought "Cougar? She's barely 30!" Then I realized it wasn't about how old Reese is but if she is older than any man she's involved with - even if by a second. Now 83-year-old Hugh Hefner is trading in his three 20 and 30 year old girlfriends for two 19-year-old twins. Is anyone calling him a cougar? Nope, they say Hef is keeping his pimp hand strong. If the choice is man-eating creature or smacked up 'ho then I'd rather be the hell cat.
Is this like the Pink Panther???
MC--

Thanx for your wonderful post.

I'm just now re-entering the social world after 6 yrs recovery from a serious accident. Fearful of being "too old" (50something), I now feel more hopeful about the odyssey I'm about to embark. Now I will NOT rule out younger men, regardless of how young they may be. If they're nice, smart, stable, attentive, affectionate, and love ALL animals, they're OK by me.

I made my social debut this past weekend and had a fabulous time, so your timing couldn't have been better. Thx again.
I'm label aversive and right there with you! I really dislike the cougar thing. Man, can we come up with any other ways to stigmatize women? We needed a new word? What - pussy/slut/whore/bitch/cunt/skank/cocktease/MILF weren't enough? (Yes, I'm sure there are more but I'm on a quick break from work!)

But you're right - there still is that sense that SHE is going after HIM when it usually is just the opposite. Somehow, it's always wreaks of a put-down. So is MILF (sorry Hells Bells but I really hate that one.)

I date younger men occasionally and I'm quite a submissive type sexually. So there. I'm a bunny rabbit...how's that? A 42-year old effin' bunny rabbit.
Sorry to use your space as a quick bulletin board, but is anyone having an auto refresh issue on Open Salon? It just started last week. The screen refreshes every 30 seconds. Very disconcerting and annoying. I read that its a way to get more page views or has something to do with the ads, which only makes me dislike them more.
Oh goodness.

I'm one of those women who usually dated much older men yet there was never a label for me - or for them. The accepted rule for older men dating younger women is to divide their age by half and add 7 - so a 60 year old man could date a 37 year old woman - though I was younger dating older and it seemed to be a badge of honor with the men I was dating at the time.

So, why all the fuss about older women who date younger men? Perhaps it's because we are considered to lose all sexual appeal as we age. Not to mention, men are supposed to want trophies whereas women are supposed to want breadwinners. It's all a load of hogwash if you ask me (which you haven't). As long as you aren't breaking laws, live and love as you choose.
Just happen to be in a relationship with a man who is about 6 months younger than my oldest daughter (approx. 21 years my junior)--and he picked me. Never even thought to come on to an obviously younger man and heard the term "cougar" for the first time just this year (although the relationship is 5 years old now). I still don't get it: And the traditionally older men who date much younger women are called..? (Is there a term from the animal world for them that I am not hip too as well?) Although, on occasion, I do find myself mentioning experiences from "back in the day" (as my partner likes to say), there really aren't that many differences that occur in personalityy once an adult hits that magical time we refer to as "maturity." (Note: Some of us never make it.) Anyway, I'm pretty well satisfied, we are not about future children, and no, we probably will not grow old together (as I'm already there) but the sex is great and it's nice to be with a person whose energy level matches mine. Most men my age are only good for TV, grandkids, and accompaniment to the doctors office.....
Yup, rinse and repeat. That's me. I keep working at working at it....
The great thing about labels is that they keep dorks at bay. I have gay slapped on my forehead, Jew on my arm, (lotta stickers here), 46 years old on my ass, and widow across my heart. Anyone who sees all that and doesn't dig it-GOOD. Move along, nothing to see here.

Great post. xox
LOVE Robin's comment! I just want to be cool like Robin (I'm not, sniff***)
Rated because you can love whomever the hell you feel like loving (as long as they are over 18).
Men younger than me seem to be very, very interested. I think (and certainly from your comments, it's confirmed) I'm not alone in this. The cougar thing is silly, and does not apply, especially since I'm more of a pussy-cat... Rrrrrated!
I spent most of my young adulthood in Europe where the older woman-younger man dating scene is not that uncommon. I have NEVER dated a younger woman and my wife of 40 years is the love of my life.

I used to think it bothered her when her friends referred to her as "The well-known pedofile.." but she laughed and said they were only jelous.

unhgrad
Since a few of you asked...

From Urban Dictionary:

Trout

A man who likes to date younger women (i.e. he swims downstream in age); Antonym = salmon (a guy who likes to date older women, or swims upstream in age). Synonym = male cougar

Bill's such a trout; everytime he enters the club he's got a younger chick on his arm...
Great post, and great writing, as usual.
Marcela
Hey, Monique - I was so glad to read your blog and see that other women are finally starting to speak up about this highly offensive label. It's about time.

I first wrote about this very same thing back in April...on my
"Chronic Fatigue" blog (http://chronicfatigue.typepad.com/mj/).
So I like to think I was ahead of the game. Now, I'm suddenly seeing
more articles like it - including a great piece by Candace Bushnell
("Attack of the Cougars") in this month's issue of "MORE" Magazine.
And judging by the comments here, I think the anti-Cougar movement is ready to roar.

I've just posted a copy of my original, anti-Cougar blog on Open Salon. Check it out! -Marcie herehttp://open.salon.com/blog/marcie_j/2009/09/19/cougars_bite