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Monte Canfield

Monte Canfield
Location
Newcomerstown, Ohio, USA
Birthday
December 28
Title
Rev. Dr. Monte Canfield
Bio
Retired Protestant Pastor and Theologian, jointly credentialed in the United Church of Christ and the Moravian Church. Education: BA, MA, M.Div, Thd. Public Service: NY State Office of Executive Development; Federal Exec. Branch: Executive Office of the President, BOB; Interior, BLM; Non Profit: Ford Foundation, Energy Policy Project; Congressional: General Accounting Office; Private industry: Grow Group, Inc.; US Paint; Owner, the Energy Center, St. Louis. Christian service: Pastor, First Congregational UCC, Ottawa, Illinois; Pastor, St. Paul's UCC, Port Washington, Ohio; Pastor, Moravian Church, Gnadenhutten, Ohio.

SEPTEMBER 17, 2009 2:02PM

The Limits of Worldly Wisdom

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Worldly wisdom and faith do not mix well. I want to use the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as examples of this. Rather than rely on worldly wisdom to plot his course in life, Jesus turns our expectations upside down, and stands worldly wisdom on its head. He does this because worldly wisdom cannot guide us through the pains and losses of our lives into the hope we need to move beyond the pain. However you define worldly wisdom, the Bible is clear that Jesus didn’t have it.

There is no place in the Bible where this is more evident than in the Beatitudes, that series of blessings (which we call the beatitudes) and woes (which we usually ignore!) that are sometimes called the Sermon on the Mount or the Sermon on the Plain.  But wherever it took place, and there is no reason to assume that he didn’t preach the same sermon in two different places, nothing in that sermon agrees with worldly wisdom.
 
Think about it. Jesus says that the poor, and the hungry, and the grieving are blessed; and, on the other side of that coin, woe upon (or cursed be) those who are now rich, or who are full, or who are respected by society.

Before we go on, please note this carefully: If you are going to understand this, you have to understand clearly that Jesus is not saying that this is the way things should be – that is that the poor should be blessed, or that those who mourn should be blessed and comforted, or that those who have no standing in the society should be treated with respect.  

He is saying that this is how things are now in the Kingdom of God.  The poor are blessed, the hungry are blessed, the reviled are blessed, those who mourn are blessed.  Jesus says that God is doing this in the world, right now: blessing those who have received little blessing in their lives, and cursing those who believe that, just because they “have it made” in the material things of the world, they have it made with God. They don’t.

Here is cause for hope for those who have experienced little of the blessings in this life, for those who have known some blessings and have had them torn from their grasp, for those who weep and mourn and are not now consoled in their weary lives.


Do you think that this is just another exercise in biblical theology that does not apply to you? Sorry. But I know better. I know that a lot of you don’t feel nearly as good as you act when you post and comment here. I know that you are trying your best to look good, to appear “just fine, thank you,” to the rest of us. We all try to keep that stiff upper lip. But, look behind that facade and we may discover that not all of us are in nearly as good a shape as we pretend to be.

Some of you are in pain; hoping that the posts and comments and the sense of fellowship here might just cut through the pain and give you a little peace.  Others are here knowing that, with their world in shambles around them, maybe for a few minutes or hours they can concentrate on something, someone, else, and maybe, with a little luck and God’s help they might just be able to forget: if only for a brief while. And some of you are numb with grief, or fear, or depression.

I know all about your tricks and denials and attempts to appear stronger than you are, because I have been there, done that – right here in my own interactions with you. There have been times when I am in so much pain tears form in my eyes as I type, times when I am afraid to even admit to myself how hard it is to accept that I will likely get worse, not better. But, strange as it sounds, I’m glad that I know that little secret about you and me, because I don’t much care for the alternative.

It seems to me that it would be such a terrible grind, such a phony existence, to live in a world where everybody smiles so much you think their lips will crack off: where everybody is always so very, very happy, so totally successful in the ways of the world,  and so pleased just to be wonderful "me."

I think that would be a dangerous place in which to write or try to reach out to others.  Just one cancer that can’t be cured, one heart attack that can’t be stopped, one stroke that leaves a loved one paralyzed, one case of Alzheimer’s, one firing, one divorce, one act of adultery, one “F” in chemistry, one beating by one's spouse, one death, one – of anything bad – cracks the phony façade and crumbles the clay feet of the health and wealth preachers who are in such amazing abundance in this country.

It doesn’t take a whole lot of thought to realize that this pain we feel, however much we hide it, is real, and that it is interconnected.  Those secret, personal, disorders that you brought here with you, the ones you imagine no one else has had, or if they did, that they handled so much better than you are handling them; that pain that you know not how to name, that you are ashamed to name to anyone – all those very real and disturbing concerns -- tip you off that something isn’t quite right with the world, or with the world’s great desire to sweep things like those under the rug.

No, shocked as you may be to hear it, it isn’t just you that feel this way. Something is not right with the world and, chances are, the something that is not right in your life is also not right in thousands, maybe millions, of others. But, who will listen? Who will validate those lonely and empty feelings in your heart, that hunger in your soul for something better, that thirst that the things of this world cannot quench?


The good book says that Jesus came down and talked to them where they were, on the plain, on a level place, looking them straight in the eyes; feeling what they felt, seeing what they saw. And then he said outrageous things, like: “Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh”.

And those who weren’t weeping, who had nothing that they figured they needed to weep about, laughed.  And Jesus said, "Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep.” And the Bible doesn’t say so, but I imagine that they laughed again. "What utter nonsense,” they thought.

The poet, W. H. Auden once said, “Seeing the joy of a bubble-brained world, I was glad I could be unhappy”. Or, as Jesus put it, “Fortunate are you that weep now.” He didn’t say, “in this bubble-brained world,” but he must have thought it.  Blessed are you if you have noticed that people are hurting, dying, in pain, and mourning. Fortunate.
 
Jesus knew that there was something much more dangerous than tears. And that is the dangerous deception that our world is secure, stable, and is, after all, the best of all possible worlds. That deception says that if we just act happy, we’ll be happy; that if we ignore the pain, it will go away; and that, if we feel the pain, we are weak: so just don’t feel the pain. And, above all, do not put yourself in a position now where you will feel pain later. Avoid love, for the price of love is the pain of later loss.

Jesus didn’t see it that way. He said, “Woe to you that laugh now.” Woe to you if you feel too good, if you are settled too comfortably into the way things are, the way, you think, you have made them; the way, you think, you deserve them to be.

Against this self-congratulatory self-deception Jesus hurls, “Woe to you that laugh now. Fortunate are you who weep.” You are lucky, he says, if you embrace your loss, feel the pain now, touch it, grieve over it, weep. And then he says, “You shall laugh.” You shall see a new world, rising out of the ashes of the old; joy rising out of the ashes of the pain.

But you can’t believe that hopeful word until you have embraced the grief. First you must go through the grief, recognize it, own it, and know it. To hope too soon, to laugh too easily, to fake the happiness, all that is self-deception. Weep now, that you may laugh later.


Maybe that doesn’t make a lot of sense to some of you. But it does to me. I do a lot of counseling. The number one symptom I deal with is depression. The reasons people say they are depressed are about as myriad as the stars, but the symptom is depression. And the number one cause of the depression isn’t what the counselees think it is; it is failure to deal with the pain, to own it, to admit it, and then, hopefully, to place it in God’s hands.  

One can try to heal too soon.  I have seen it countless times. “But, Monte, she’s been gone over two years; I’m not doing well with this grief. All my friends say I should be over it by now.” Well, he isn’t, because he’s been listening to his friends; and they started telling him that he needed to get on with his life after his wife had been dead three months. And he’s been taking their advice, denying the grief, and faking it ever since.

Jesus has a different answer. Jesus says, “weep now; tomorrow you will laugh.” He says that your faith will give you hope in the midst of your chemotherapy, in the quiet of your hospital room, in the still darkness of your lonely nights. There, when you need it the most and expect it the least, hope will come.

We cynically downplay our losses, and try to bravely cover-up the pain, but we seldom think or talk of the promise. And the promise is joy, and the laughter that goes with it.  Jesus says laughter is the fruit of the serious admission of our pain, and then of the embracing of the hope of the promise made to us by God. You will laugh, not because the pain is not real, but because God is rummaging around in the ruins of your life, putting things together, and getting ready to bring to you new life, in this life and in the next.


 Can all this be true? Can we be like the alcoholic who has to “hit bottom,” and cry out in pain, and then, and only then, can he be healed? Is it true that our futures will not be bought by anything that we can bring to the bargaining table, or purchase with the almighty dollar, but only by the grace of God? Is it true that we can’t buy laughter, or peace for our weary souls, or any of the things that will pull us out of the pain? Is it true that faith in the grace of God will sustain us through the deserts of our lives and bring us to a new oasis of life on the other side? Is that true?

You know I believe the truth of those promises. The issue is what do you think about them?

If the Beatitudes tell us nothing else they say that God wills the dismantling of our uncomfortable pretense, of our false bravado; and urges upon us the embracing and owning of the pain, and then letting it go and letting God have it.  

When we do we will laugh, laugh like Sarah when she bore a son at a time when worldly wisdom said she could not; laugh like the disciples laughed only three days after they had wept the tears of sorrow over Jesus’ death on the cross even as the world laughed at the possibility of his Resurrection; laugh as we shall laugh when the prophecy of St. John is fulfilled and we inherit this promise:

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his people, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away." And the one who was seated on the throne said, "See, I am making all things new...." (Rev. 21.1-5a)

May God bless us in our weeping and in our laughter.



Addendum:

Luke 6. 17-26

17  He came down with them and stood on a level place, with a great crowd of his disciples and a great multitude of people from all Judea, Jerusalem, and the coast of Tyre and Sidon. 18  They had come to hear him and to be healed of their diseases; and those who were troubled with unclean spirits were cured. 19  And all in the crowd were trying to touch him, for power came out from him and healed all of them. 20  Then he looked up at his disciples and said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. 21  "Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. "Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. 22  "Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man. 23  Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, for surely your reward is great in heaven; for that is what their ancestors did to the prophets. 24  "But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. 25  "Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. "Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep. 26  "Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is what their ancestors did to the false prophets.





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Beautiful and wise. It is so much easier to push the grief or pain away, numb it with things like busy-ness, easy sentimentality, alcohol or drugs. But in those few times when I was patient enough to stay with pain, feel it and not judge it, I grew from it.
"However you define worldly wisdom, the Bible is clear that Jesus didn’t have it. "

This line sucked me into your newest post immediately. It is interesting to think of Jesus as a man who was lacking something, especially a kind of wisdom.

The beattitudes are my favorite passage in the Bible. I always appreciate a fresh perspective on them. Couple them with the greatest commandment "to love..." and many of the worldly complications that we construct sort of crumble away. This is my favorite of all of your posts that I've read Monte. Thank-you.
The last shall be made first, the first shall be made last.

We have yet to see the wonders that will come from this world economic crisis. I think there are some surprises in store for all of us.
((Monte)) - this is an incredibly powerful post. Am at a loss for words right now, so will just say thank you. This resonated with me.
Funny how people tend to forget that Jesus was just a man, a carpenter's son. That he was just as fragile as you and I are.

Sometimes, Monte, when there are others who depend on us, we have to put on the game face and not let them see the pain and the fear. It is our sacrifice for them, so that they can sleep at night. But we shouldn't ever delude ourselves into thinking that game face is real - it is just a mask, after all, and we still have to deal with whatever it is we have to deal with.

There is wisdom in your words, my friend. I share your wish.
Okay. I've read this about 5 times. All I'm going to say (for now) is that you're spot on, as evidenced by the fact that I'm all but speechless. That, and to reference Bill's statement as being true, too.
I'm not sure you could call knowledge of the world
"wisdom", monte...

all these trivial & tiresome value systems
defended & argued til (ha!)
the end of time,
whenever that may be...

(um, tomorrow at 7:15 am?)
(a homeless fellow i shared space with
jokingly predicted the end of the world every day,
but his prognostications were
tinged with too much glee for my taste)

these systems are pretty predictable
in their endless repetitive humdrummy
outcomes, and our friend saw through them w/o
much brain - strain...

i know what you're saying, though, and admire the turn of phrase you used to make yr point...


"woe to u who are rich, cuz ya already got yr consolation...
as they say, twas your choice,
now live with it..."

There indeed is also a tragic kind of inevitablility to the world too,
which you pick up on: that those who shall be (or are ) (or were)
(tenses dont mean alot here, of course)
rewarded in eternity,
or heaven if you prefer,
MUST ride the
vortex to the bottom of the toilet bowel
before being flush..

Jim

Ekhart:
"the Godhead gave all things up to God...
the Godhead is poor, naked & empty
as though it were not;
it has not, wills not,
wants not, works not,
gets not...
It is God who has the treasure and the bride in him,
the Godhead is void as though
it were not.."

pass through the black hole, hm?





but...then again, i think His wisdom was in seeing how
Monte, I admire you deeply for your analysis and wisdom. I am grateful to be drawn here time after time for soul-healing thoughts. You are a reminder of great hope, and for that, I am grateful. Rated for perfect timing.
Thank you all, those who have read, who have read and left comments, those who have read and rated. I appreciate each one of you.

Faith, I know that you understand what I have written here, and know some of the pain you have had to own in order to move on. You have grown, and will continue to do so as you acknowledge that pain is part of each of our lives, and deal with it as you have learned to do.

Y Heron, how kind of you to see this as a favorite post. That Jesus was a man and had to make the same hard choices that we make is one of the reasons I find him most credible. He has been able to feel the pain, his own and ours, and has had to choose between what he found to be lacking and what he knew would be sustaining. That makes the beatitudes so important: he saw through the shallowness of worldly wisdom.

UK: delighted you stopped by. I do pray that we see some really good things come out of this economic crisis, not the least of which is that more people realize that the important things in life are not defined in monetary terms.

Thanks you, Dusty, I could not be happier that this post met you at a time when you needed to hear it.

Bill, dear friend, yes, it is far too easy to put Jesus on a pedestal and thereby miss the real world implications of his decisions and his hopes that we would turn from things worldly to things that have eternal values. And that he shared himself with us, felt what we feel, could emphasize with our problems, is something we should never forget. I like the distinction you make between sometimes having to put on that game face so that others can sleep at night, yet not deluding ourselves to thinking that we do not have to deal with the pain or the problem. But it is equally important to know when to admit the pain to others, and certainly that is when we hurt our loved ones by acting like it is not real, when they already know we have it. I have seen harm done when people are not given a chance to grieve with us. It is a fine line to walk, as you know.

Owl: thanks so much for reading and taking the time to really understand what this post is saying.

Jim: you are in good form today, insightful as ever. It is good to have you commenting on my posts again. I hope others take the time to ponder your comments. They are a bit pessimistic for me, but you know that I tend to be optimistic about things that few see the positive side in. Perhaps it is just my nature, but I really think that stems from my faith. I do see the tragedy in day to day events, but I think that for those of faith, of whatever stripe, the ultimate outcome is peace and joy. Nihilism does not lead me to where I need to go. Have faith, dear friend, and it will be a friend to you forever.

Thanks much, RB for your comments. And I am glad that the timing of this post caught you at a time when you needed to hear a word such as this.
i wish i understood faith. i do. i cannot give myself over to what i haven't experienced, so when you speak about embracing your grief and giving it over to god, you lose me.

but i do love reading about jesus. i always thought he was speaking about the persistence of time. grief seems to last forever, until it's gone. so too joy, so too abundance. embrace them all, before they are gone.
Hi, bstrangely. I appreciate your honesty. Perhaps you can find another way to let go of the grief in your life. I come at the issue from the perspective of my faith, since I know no other way for one of faith to approach it. But I do know people of no faith at all who have managed to let go of the pain or loss or grief in a healthy way. But it is very hard, faith notwithstanding, to hold on to the negatives in life indefinitely. If we cannot move beyond it, then we are bound by the past and our future is in jeopardy. I hope that you find a way that works will for you. Peace.
Spot on, Monte. Sometimes the only way out is through.
Beautiful post, Monte.I understand the importance of wrapping my mind around my pain, so I can find peace. I think it's important to fully feel whatever emotion presents itself, because it's the only way I can feel and appreciate the opposite.
I don't feel like I'm making a whole lot of sense here; I feel like I'm babbling and only I know what I mean, so I'll try one more time. I believe the beautitudes said, "Only those who know hunger, will truly know what it feels like to be full" You can only know one spectrum when you've lived the opposite!
Well you said it much better than I ever could, but I hear your message and I totally agree. Thank you
Rated
Thanks, Leeandra, I like this "Sometimes the only way out is through."

Junk, I understand you perfectly. And I agree with you. One cannot appreciate beauty without having an idea, an experience, of the lack of it, etc. If you are never hungry, to use your example, how will you know fully how wonderful it is to be fed.
Great, great piece, Monte! You sure do know people. I doubt there are many of us that don't put on the brave front, though I would imagine some far more than others. I know I've had my share of pain and disappointment. Actually I deal with it each and every day. Do I hide it? Sure I do. I'm only human. I also deal with it as best I can. I also talk about it sometimes, but I haven't yet begun to really write about it, but I am getting their. Still kind of sorting everything out in my head. If you know what I mean.
thank you, Monte. I had a really tough day today and this helped me claim my pain.
Hi, Mike. As long as you don't hide it from yourself you are well on the way to dealing with it. We can't all just spill our every ill onto every unsuspecting person that happens by. There is a balance to be struck and I imagine that each person has to find his or her own. I know that I hold back a lot of my troubles here and poor Sue, bless her, has to listen to them all. But then I listen to all of hers, so it balances out.

Monte
Many thanks, VG. Sorry for the really bad day. I pray tomorrow will be a bit better.

Monte
I really need to read this post, Monte, but I'm at work and I know I'll get all teary-eyed. The "universe" was exceptionally cruel to me yesterday. I'll come back tomorrow morning.
Thanks in advance, as I know it'll be good!
Hi, Spotted: Tomorrow is just fine. These posts are sort of long and infrequent and people read them when they can get some quiet time and aren't so rushed. I have people reading them weeks after they are published. Let me know how you like it.

Monte
This is how I like to start a day!
This really struck a chord with me as I have been in many painful situations ( and probably will be again & again).
It is the things of the world that cause sadness, grief, etc., and that will never end, but there is nothing to be lost by praying to God for strength or forgiveness or love during difficult times.
Great post. Thank you!
btw: Zumalicious does a post every Sunday morning that I also find very uplifting!
Thanks, SM, glad you like it. Zuma does some great stuff, doesn't she. I link to her other site often.
Beautifully written and spoken. You touched my heart deep on this one. I believe in those promises. I know so many of us roam the paths of life pretending everything is A Okay. But deep inside it really isn't. I know because I am one of the guilty ones, but at the same time I know that healing takes time. Once you admit it, own it, know it, and turn it all over to God, then is when the healing starts. Thank you so much for such a beautiful, heartfelt post.
Thank you, fireeyes. I think that this post resonates the most with people, like yourself, who have gone through the pain and the rejection and found the strength to turn the issues over to God. I know that I have had to do that so many times, and that you have also.
"No, shocked as you may be to hear it, it isn’t just you that feel this way. Something is not right with the world and, chances are, the something that is not right in your life is also not right in thousands, maybe millions, of others. But, who will listen?"

Monte, I wanted to wait until I was done and not distracted for the day before reading this. All that you say is true. The paragraph above describes millions if not BILLIONS of people in the world, and even those of us have faith. I say even those of us who have faith because we're so quick to turn our backs to it. Oh, we're liberal spiritual/Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc... so we will ADMIT that we have periods where we ignore our faith. Now is most definitely not the time. For me, no time is good. This, as usual, was a wonderful and NOT in your face piece.
***************
P.S.
This is a liberal site, this I know but I see pieces on the cover all the time on lack of faith and freedom to not have religion. There's NOT ONE person on this site as qualified or more qualified than Monte on posts of this nature. Yet I never see him on the cover... Freedom of religion? I think not. Not even on the left.

RATED
Thank you for this call to be more humane -and to show it a bit more openly. You are so right: our -MY- first instinct is to show the "cool" facade... and that leaves me really lonely at times. This has been therapeutic; thanks again.
Marcela
You said sooooo much of value here that I kept copying one thing, then another.
"You will laugh, not because the pain is not real, but because God is rummaging around in the ruins of your life, putting things together, and getting ready to bring to you new life, in this life and in the next."
This especially struck a chord because of something that recently happened in my family.
Also, the counselor who leads a group I go to for people who have lost loved ones to homicide said,
"I really do love the survivors in the groups. They are like the 'Velveteen Rabbit' story. The realities of their loved one's murder has worn away the 'unreal' stuff of life, and they are 'real'. And, the pain is real."
Reinvented wrote a deeply felt blog called, "Grief Journey and a Nod to Mr. Chekhov," and I posted that there.
You gave me even more reasons to appreciate the peace that comes after pain.
Thanks, Greg. My pieces on faith will not likely make the cover, although I have had some secular pieces make it. How EPs and Covers are chosen is quite simply a mystery to me. But little by little there is developing a group of people, like yourself, who want to read what I write about faith. And that is growing, so I am happy with that. Thank you for your kind comments.

Marcela, you are more than welcome. I am glad that you resonated with some of what I have written here. None of us is made to be lonely and we need to take those difficult first steps to keep that from happening.

Delia, dear friend, so good to have you read and comment. You have some deep and wounding real life experiences with what I am talking about here, and if what I have written has been even of small value to you then I am blessed to have been able to do that. That counselor sounds very wise. The pain is, indeed, real. What we make of it really counts too. And when that peace does come, having paid such a price for it, we know that it too is real. My prayers, always.
Your posts are lessons of lessons. Much appreciated.
Thank you, zuma. We always seem to be on the same wave length. I love your writings on faith too.
Grieving for a loss can begin long before the loss. Appreciate your observations, and hope to keep going in search of the real laughter. Thanks Monte.
Thank you Monte. The simplicity in this message is powerful. Your insights into many of us, discernable only by the results of what our fingertips create, is amazingly accurate.
Each time I read one of these posts from you (especially this one) I find myself longing for a "church home" but the options seem limited anymore to AOG and hyper-conservative non-denominational or "mainline" denominations which have skewed to intensely evangelical in order to "compete".
This message you just posted is the message we all need to absorb into our beings and I am deeply grateful to you for it.
Hi Monte
I agree with Walter...I have found that a lot of the church community kind of force you to wear the facade, because if you are depressed, broken, then you're not living life in line with Jesus, something is out of whack, and it's your problem. Because, don't you know, with Jesus, life is always happy! But if they looked closer at what he said, he said you will have trouble in this life. Why was he called the man of sorrows? He said we will suffer. And then he said we will suffer even more. I can be more real around my non Christian friends sometimes than church people. To be broken and real in front of everyone is the beginning of healing.
I also like the shortest verse in the Bible, "Jesus wept." Lazarus had died 3 days before and he knew he was going to bring Lazarus back to life. He didn't show up on the scene and say "hey everyone, stop crying, I'm here, I'm going to fix him." He stopped and wept with these people, even tho he was moments away from bringing Lazarus back to life. To me, he showed us that grief and mourning is important, tho there will be healing, to "weep with those who weep." There is a time for every season under heaven.
God Bless you Monte, you write what is important, you write what is life giving, that is more important than any worldly acclaim (EP).
Buffy, Walter and bnc: I have very limited access to the internet this weekend but really want to address your comments specifically. I will surely have some access by Monday afternoon so please drop by after that and I will have some replies to your insightful comment. And, Buffy, you know my prayers are always with you at this most difficult time.

Monte
Monte - This couldn't have come at a better time for me. Thank you my friend.
I needed this today Monte. Have been dogged by depression the past few weeks. Thanks, Robin
Hi, again, Buffy. I understand how hard that waiting and hoping can be, and when things start to slip away from our grasp the grieving can and does start early. You showed amazing strength and character as you went through that and all that has followed . In time you will find real laughter again. There is no need to either search for it or feel guilt when you feel good. You will know when it is right and when that happens you will know that Lance is happy that you can once again be happy. He would not want it any other way.

Walter: I am not sure whether or not there are any where you live but two liberal Christian options are the two that I am credentialed in, the United Church of Christ and the Moravian Church. Also liberal are the Episcopal Church and the Disciples of Christ. Many Methodist churches are, but it varies greatly congregation by congregation, Presbyterian (USA) is liberal as is Lutheran (ELCA). The Non-Christian deist church, Unitarian-Universalist, is also liberal. Many Christians do attend Unitarian churches. I do think you would have to do some church shopping and be willing to just ask the pastor where they stand on any of several hot button issues like homosexuality and abortion and that is usually a pretty good bell weather to avoid those who are not open on those issues. But it usually can be done. I hope you will give it a shot.

And, whatever you decide, I do appreciate that you enjoy and find my posts useful. And I will continue to try to speak openly and positively about faith and to be open and welcoming to all.

bnc: See, please, what I wrote to Walter, above. I do agree with you that far too many in the church today do assume that something is fundamentally wrong with you if you are not all alleluia and hurrah for Jesus all the time, and assume that something is wrong with you if you aren't happy all the time. It is a shame and it flies in the face of reality. Any religious teaching that refuses to deal with the existential reality of life is a lost cause in my book. Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comments, and for your kindness regarding my work.

CB: good to hear from you and glad this post was timely.

Thanks, everyone.

And God bless.
Hey, Robin, glad this post did you some good. Depression can hit at the damnedest times, and not necessarily when you think it would. I hope you climb out of it soon. I have had my share of bouts with it and am much better advising about what to do about it than I am at taking my own advice. I shall pray for you.

Monte
"Take up thy cross and follow me." That command is too-often over-looked or ignored in the prosperity perversion of Jesus' teachings that corrupts the faith these days. True Christianity will always be a minority religion precisely because Jesus' teachings are so hard, and precisely because they are so paradoxical.

The meek shall inherit the Earth -- where is the evidence for that, the masters of greed demand to know? Nor can they comprehend that there is plenty -- if only they weren't so greedy. Jesus was the first I'm aware of to teach against zero-sum economics, saying again paradoxically the more you give away, the more you shall have -- an idea that still strikes most of his followers as absurd.

Knowing at least a little of the true message, I know also how far from putting it into practice I am, but at least I know how weak and lacking in faith I am. "If you have the faith of a grain of mustard seed, you may say to the mountain, move, and it will move. How sad that even after two thousand years, so few believe in the hearts what they profess so easily and openly with their mouths
Clear and true comments, Tom. I hope others will read and ponder them.

I know how far I am from putting into practice the true sayings of Jesus. I also know that I can never come close to doing so. What I do know, tho, is that there is a difference between those who take Jesus at his word and TRY, and those who pervert his teachings by teaching prosperity, feel good, hedonistic, ego boosting tripe and making people feel so good about their greed and their neglect of others that they fill huge churches and their own pockets. Those "Christians" make no pretense even of trying to follow the narrow path that Christ says that we must follow. To be a Christian is not easy. And anybody who tells us it is is just blowing smoke.
I'm glad I read this.
It deserves a slow read.
Scripture won't hurt you.
I realize there are redaction.
I admit all humans are fallible.
There are none perfect. None!
Tom would love some mustard?
We grow some mild red mustard.
I love to browse a old writ text too.
But, I remember a old respected one.
The advise was study to be approved.
Let none despise you if the hearts right.
So - pure intent and thorough self exam?
Look deeply within. me/you. People know.
People can choose to ignore the inner Muse.
Thanks Monte.To be an Apologist ain't easy.
Apologist - to defend private faith is personal.
Institutional religions are the demonic havens.
The world can appear upside down and sinister.
Reprove those who will kill, ruin, and store stuff.
There really is the horizon. Why Wager? Gamble?
Monte Canfield? You may have read Blaise Pascal?
Blaise Pascal won't hurt aspirants who seek Wisdom.
Very well said. I deal with people on a daily basis who are experiencing some kind of grief, and helping them to acknowledge it (if they are ready to do so) is one of the ways I can support them. I like this image of Jesus as one who knew both laughter and tears in his own life (although, curiously, the New Testament never tells us of a time when Jesus laughed, these texts seem to fill in that gap.) It strikes me that both laughter and tears are authentic responses to suffering and also potentially protests against the causes of suffering (i.e., the "existential laughter" of the child in the Emperor's New Clothes, the reassertion of innocence as a pattern of right relation between individuals.) Surely if Jesus was "the Human One" (in Walter Wink's translation) he experienced for himself this on the deepest level.
Glad that you joined us here, Arthur. Loved your musings in your comments. Apologist? I guess I am that, but hardly a fevered one. There are far too many of them these days to suit me. And, no, it is not easy. One has to know when stand firm on things that if thrown out make the faith meaningless, and yet not cling to things that are anything but essential. I try to use plain language to speak of very important ideas that could be more easily said using big words and jargon. Sometimes that is harder than getting the ideas together. But it is a labor of love and if some read and get something useful from what I write I am happy. I only hope that God is as well. Pascal? I have read him and have appreciated his vacillations and apprehensions at least as much as his religious thoughts. I kind of like it that he had his hand in both science and religion and did not find that incompatible. We could learn well to be less hasty in dismissing one or the other as irrelevant. Come back soon, Arthur. You know you are always welcome, and I do like your poetry. It, too, is best read slowly. Which I do. Often aloud.
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mustelidae: Thanks for dropping by and commenting. Your comments make good sense to me. I wonder if, given the seriousness that the writers of the gospels seemed to display in the language they chose when reporting what Jesus did, they did not make Jesus out to be a bit of a stiffer, more proper, fellow than he actually was. I cannot imagine him eating with sinners and attending weddings, using parables about feasts and happy gatherings, gathering with the disciples, etc., and not really enjoying himself immensely. Perhaps you remember the 60s painting "Laughing Jesus." It was not great art, but I always have loved it for what it says about Jesus. And, like you, I do not think that there is necessarily a "right" response to suffering. Just coping is hard enough. To target a "correct" response to suffering is to have never suffered. Or, to be insufferable. Good comments.
Monte,
You are absolutely right about rejecting Nihilism. Alas, it is the current postmodern paradigm. How do we overcome it?

My "Way" is to bust right THROUGH it with humor. "Wisdom is Wit", as the Gospel says. Stupendous information stultifies us. We grow weary and pessimistic that we can ever "catch up" to what is
happening.

Anxious helplessness, from spectacular empowerment.

Speaking of empowerment, that's what they are teaching the young people. So am I. I roam the streets of Manchester,
Connecticut, former "silk capital of the world", trying to buck my pals--- my "familia"---the homeless and helpless---
up. Literally! Ha!

To the Kingdom...

Look, Romanticism is cool for the youth, and there are plenty of hippies around...young guys who didnt "fit IN"...into Moloch's maw.
They get in trouble with their mischief and go to jail for
a lesson in manners, come out, and understand the world...

I am to be a "recovery support specialist". Help t he "dis-abled" or "dis-ordered" integrate back into the Community. Into MY STREETS. Get it?

Anyway, Romanticism met the dark realities of the 2oth century. Germany went mad. Germany's pllight...being split in half, etc, etc, is quite symbolically suggestive...the Big German Brains came over to America to escape the madman, Hitler. They integrated into America...the melting pot...

The pot is boiling.

Theologians went Existentialist, and that's good. Tillich tickles me still. Kung? Love the old windbag...

In my "studies " I am going back to the Source of this World. Blake saw the Apocalypse beginning with the two Revolutions. Then: Crackdown! Lockdown! Then: "Sweat Blood & Tears " from Bismark.

Then:Whoops! "by the bye, the world aint how you think it is", says Einstein. His crew give us the quantum stuff. The basement aint really there, its popping in & out. Chaos. ...no, Chance...

So Fortune rueles us....

Good!!! "Do unto others & they'll do it to you & we'll all get along just fine"....the lazyass carpenter showing up for parties with his "Crew" of tough guy asking for a sleepover (just being fascetious, buddy...but that's how it would look today, ja?)

he would say:

(or DID say...maybe....ach!!!)

"every hair is numbered"...

that means EVERYTHING counts...in yr Karmic Configgeration, as i say....

Blake:

"all that has existed in the Space of 6000 yrs
is permanent & not lost
not lost nor vanished
&every little act
word, work & wish that has existed
all remain still...

shadowy to those who dwell not in them
meer possibilites...
BUT!!!

..to those who enter into them
they seem the only substances;

for everything exists & not one sigh nor smile nor tear
one hair
nor particle of dust..
not one can pass away.."



I believe this, buddy. I can back it up w/Whiteheads "consequent nature of god"...i aint calling for a return to process philosophy, I am calling for a return to the Basics...


We got all the answers, now's
the time to collect & collate & consider
them in an aura of Aquarian splendor...

James E.
Thanks for dropping by again, James. I do not doubt the continuum, nor the possibility that now is the time to start picking through the pieces and putting them together so that we actually might make some sense out of the chaos. Ironically, my faith tells me that God already has done that and is patiently waiting to see if we can do it. Until then we deal with the existential and, with Schleirmacker, I will try to find in the microcosm of each individual that sense of the infinite, of God, that will lead us through the chaos. It comes down, in my mind, to individual choice and how we make those choices is what I will continue to write about.

God bless, my friend.

Monte
"Weep now, that you may laugh later." So true. We need to experience all these emotions to know true bliss.
Beautiful, meaningful post, Monte.
Thank you, Cathy. God bless you and your faith.

Monte
Monte,
Back in my late 20's I served on the pulpit search committee at our Presbyterian Church in Bismarck, ND and then on another pulpit committee about 8 years later in Iowa as the Chair of the Diaconate of our local UCC.
The local Presbyterian Church is quite evangelical (and of course Presbyterians have a "local rule" very similar to UCC) and I have a hard time reconciling any desire to attend the local UMC (a denomination in which I was raised) because of their stance on gay marriage.
I miss church. I miss performing in the church choir--I once joined a church (Presbyterian in West Des Moines, IA) because their choir was so bad that it was truly a "joyful noise". And, I miss the community of church and faith.
I've never checked out Moravian, I think I will.
Thanks, Monte.
You are welcome, Walter. There are not likely any Moravian churches where you live now. It is such a small denomination. There are a lot of UCC churches in California but I am not sure where. I do hope that you find a church home given the strong background you have in church activities. I know how one can miss it because I can't attend any more given my physical issues and I really miss going myself.

Good luck and God bless,

Monte
your posts are so unique
pain faced and transcended here often becomes beauty
Thank you, Kathy. Glad you read and got something out of this post.

Monte
Well, but these choices must be made with clear and consistent
communion with the will of God, yes? Free will being
given to us in order that we may make the free
decision to surrender our free will to the
will of God, in order to be able to freely
receive the constant spiritual (not to
mention human) graces that are
always being offered
(except we're
too blind to see them presently),

when we receive God's will in our lives we are presented
with the holy duty of piecing the chaos together into
an intelligible design or narrative.
Of course God in his eternal transcendent aspect
already understands it, but remember:
He is most cerainly also immanent in
his Creation, which means he flows along
in the timestream with us, learning through
us.

For the eye through which I see God
is also the eye through which God sees me..Eckhart
This is a very powerful post for me, Monte. I am sure that you know why. :) I've spent most of my life not allowing my deepest feelings or grief to come to the surface. I hope that now I am on the road to healing my life at long last.
thanks jim, for your further comments. you are in my prayers.
Emma: yes, I understand your situation and also hope that you are on the road to healing. You know that you are in my prayers and thoughts often. This life is no picnic and we are thrown a lot of curve balls along the way. But with perseverance and determination we can move beyond some pretty formidable mountains. And I would add with a little help from our friends. I am always available to listen.

Monte
Monte - I am so glad that I found my way here today. Your post is exactly what I needed to read today. Funny how God does that. :-) Thank you for this great post. I will be back.
Thank you, Unbreakable. It is great to have you reading my reflections and to have you as a friend. You will find a list of all my writings on faith in the left hand column of this blog. I hope you get something out of them. Glad this one spoke to you.

Monte
Amen! In our weakness He is strong! When I have been the most broken, crying uncle, I give up!-Jesus has been there offering gifts of kindness and warmth and encouragement. All he wants is for us to come home to Him. John 14:20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Thanks so much for reading and commenting, Anne. Your faith sounds like it is a firm anchor when times get rough, as they do in all of our lives. God bless,

Monte
Monte, I'm almost never on OS these days but I always try to read at least something of yours. Your writing has acquired such clarity and sense of purpose over the months I've known you.

I loved this post. I believe what you have said is true, and also have found it quite amazing this year, after having months of that dark night," how miraculous the bright of day seems now. And I try very hard to keep reminding myself to fully take it in, the grace and joy of having my son home and my family together. Even if everything changes tomorrow, I had this day, this incredible day, a good conversation with him, a warm hug and a smile before he left for school.

Wanted to tell you also that I shared many of your thoughts from the post "Least Likely to Succeed." (Maybe that is not what you called it; I can't remember. But it was the theme of the lesson, and because of what some of the kids are going through in their personal lives, it was very powerful.)

I hope you will continue in your work. Even if I can't read every post these days, what I do read means a great deal to me.
Just an addendum - forgot to add that I shared the essay thoughts with my 8th grade Sunday school class. Pressed post before reading thoroughly - sorry!
Hi, Annette. I am glad that you get to read some of my posts when there is time. I am particularly happy that your family life is good right now and that you recognize the need to be thankful for each day as a gift given. I hope all continues to go well and I am glad that my posts can help reinforce your faith and help lift your spirits now and then.

God bless,

Monte