Congrats. Ya a cat!
Ya get a Editor Pick!
Yea. Finally. Whoa!
good night. no bug!
dog whistle @ cats!

What the hell. This is dead-on. You lured me in, The ending is a sucker punch. I thought you might go there when I read the title, then thought not as you progressed.

Good video style. You have a lulling presence, and intelligence in the eyes, that makes for good TV.

And you are correct. N he is and always will be to those who whine about sharing and cling to ideas that the poor are vampires to all that is good and decent. And white.

It is you not the right that keeps bringing the word up. As the founder of the center for american free thought one should think you would be amiable to all lines of thinking not just those that agree with yours. If you must know that word never occured to me. I wonder what Allan Keyes would say or would he be about as welcome as other free thinking right wingers. Now who's the racist?
That assertion by the left is so overused that it is losing its impact. Time to think of something else. I must admit your idea although somewhat controversial is displayed in an elegant and fairly respectful manner. Good post. Rated

Effing brilliant.

Wow... That wasn't completely predictable at all.
Must be nice being a "radical socialist"... You can use the same rhetoric and the same race-baiting over and over again, and never come up with any new material.

That Obama is pursuing what many people regardless of race are characterizing as a fascist agenda is completely besides the point, because all that matters is Obama is black. Right? That's the pathetic rationale of the extreme left. Black man can do no wrong... Yeah, I've heard that before. Let's ignore the fact Obama is half-white. He's black enough to be entitled to protection from criticism.

Maybe the reality is, his race more of an issue to you than to his critics. I'm sure there is some racism out there, but the majority of people are focused on policy. His being black, in your mind, entitles him to special status... I imagine that conviction helps absolve you of some of your white guilt syndrome, huh?

Most of the racism on the Obama issue is coming from the group who are heralded him as the black messiah, and waiting for the entitlements to start rolling in. Have you asked yourself why those Newports you're smoking are costing you more money instead of being free like you thought they'd be when the welfare state crowned it's king?

bah... Those typos clearly didn't help make my point. Luckily I doubt your supporters will notice the difference.

I get you MHS. You're easy to understand.
Quite unfortunate here that your editor couldn't put this together so that we could hear you call the President a "negator". As if the job of a President is just to be the "positivifier" for every lame idea that comes forward.
Harumph.

Chills, baby, chills. This was pitch perfect.

Hey John and Bud, how else do you explain that lady sobbing about how she never, never, thought she'd live to see her country "like this"? I mean, WTF? What has Obama done exactly? Not enough, according to most liberals, actually. Yet you guys are calling him, inexplicably (and with a clear lack of understanding of basic historical terms), both socialist and fascist. Seriously, start from scratch and examine it like you're from Mars.

Bud, what were you watching?! Tell me, based on what Mortimer says (and shows) in this video, what makes you think he is talking about people like George Will and David Brooks or conservatives in general? I've watched this a few times already and it seems to be very explicitly directed only at those who have been fixating on the ever evolving string of characterizations used in the video.

What makes you think that decent conservatives share that obsession? It's as if you think this video is making fun of people who simply disagree with Obama on policy. Also, why would he have taken a jab at Obama if your theory is correct that he think Obama can do no wrong? You just wanted to get mad maybe.

Contrary to what John and Bud, in their sanctimonious certainty maintain much of what is bandied about is racism which is thinly veiled at best behind euphemisms. The "PC" crowd knows that there is ONE word in our language which cannot be uttered but it is a word which is thought and which is camoflauged behind so many other "less objectionable" labels.
You got your tongue way up in your cheek on this one and yet managed to hit the mark in such a way as to make these red-necks uncomfortable in their hyprocrisy. Their's is a thought process which says "I've got mine and I'll be damned if I let anyone else get theirs."
Rated

Nailed it. (Rated).

Congrats! You lured me in with the parable last week, you made me a die hard fan today. I'll add you to my twitter account today.

And, to the two dissidents, you know who you are, your premises don't hold stock against what MH has portrayed here. The loonies on the video are just dying to say what is on their mind...the unmentionable word which is so filled with hatred, they are willing to keep their kids home from school. That is thinly, thinly veiled hate.

I don't agree with everything Obama is doing - but I sure as hell don't go around acting like that! It IS racism, pure and simple. Just because you don't agree with his policies, don't go around defending asshats like those shown here.

Sorry, Bud, but if you can't explain exactly what you mean by "fascist" and explain how Obama's policies are "fascist", then you deserve to be ignored.

I wonder if OS needs to offer a course on irony? From my pov, you've done it again, Sir Mortimer.

NAILED IT!

they can't say the dirty N word, so they'll say everything BUT.

and we all know it. all those stupid signs, all that hate, all that crying and breast beating and bleating like loonie sheep...all this histrionics is about one thing: A Black President. They would have hated it if it had been any of the other Dem candidates but the level of hysteria has reached epic proportions, to the degree that, when a President is addressing both Houses of Congress IN the Congressional House, that an elected legislator, a federal Congressman would yell out in the midst of a speech, like a common thug: "YOU LIAR".

They don't like being called on it though. They're so fake standing in front of their crazy fake signs, while behind them we know exactly what they're saying. And it ain't pretty.

What JustJuli said.

best ever.

Bless you, my son. I LOVE this. Rated.

What's going on Mortimer? You are starting to sound like some kind of liberal socialist Nazi communist hippie bleeding heart radical. You are scaring me man!

Brilliant, another homerun for you. Keep up that center for free thought, wherever you keep it.

Utterly nailed it!

Dude, you lost me. That last word totally got cut off on your video. What's the "N" word? Nincompoop? Ninny? Nimrod? Ninja? (that would kind of undermine your argument, but it would be rad to have a ninja president).
Oh well, I'll just imagine you folks are calling President Obama a Ninja.

on the nose. rated.

Wait, Obama is Nigerian?

Come on Bud and John, just say how proud you are to have a black president. Say how you back YOUR president just like you did GWB.
Can't do it? Hmmm. Maybe MHS is on to something.

I am stunned. This needed to be said. I am glad that you had the courage to say it outloud. I hope the MSM picks this up but I doubt it. One of my proudest things in my life was to be friended by you. I will watch this over and over "til it really sinks in. This is the best post I have ever seen on OS. Rated.

Jeanette, I don't need to explain how Obama is fascist, because I never said he was. I said merely acknowledged some people were in fact characterizing him as fascist, and that not all of those people are white. A small detail that self-hating white people, who make everything about race to avoid looking racist, tend to ignore. Ironic that.

I can't answer for those people, since I do not necessarily agree, but I suspect his mandatory military service rhetoric, and his intent on sending more stormtroopers to Afghanistan, after deceiving the country with his "bring the troops home" statements has sometihng to do with it.

Also, I heard he is building a large weaponized orb in space known as a "death star". And if you don't oppose that, then you should be ignored. :p

To others, I'm not stuck in the right, left paradigm. I get hit from both sides. I'm not saying that some people protesting Obama are not motivated by racism. There's no possible way I could know someone's motives. I can only evaluate what they claim are their motives, and their concerns seem genuine enough to me. I think characterizing opponents of Obama's policies as "racist" is rather low, and rather tired.

G-S, Obama can be proud of his being president enough for the both of us. I wasn't a fan of Bush, and for much the same reason I am not a fan of Obama, who is only expanding his imperialist agenda, but ironically still receiving support form the left.

Very, very good, but why the pussy footing at the end? Shouldn't have cut it like that. WTG on the mothership link! Yah!

BTW, Bud, I don't know you, and therefore I assume you're honest, but there seem to be an awful lot of people who in the early 2000's proudly said "yeah, I voted for Bush" now saying, as you happened to, "I didn't like Bush...and Obama is just as bad."

Just an observation. It's good to see though that many, while adamant to oppose progressivism under any circumstance, still realize that any voiced or even implied support for the horrible previous regime is a non-starter and must be disavowed. That's a Good Thing [TM].

(actually it's not, because if you can't say "I was fooled" you can never stop being fooled, but it made for a good snark. Sorry. Carry on.)

Ricky, that may be true.
I am being honest. I'm anti-war, which automatically makes me anti-Bush and anti-Obama. Sort of simplifies things a bit.
Where Obama is worse, in my opinion, is where he is less direct and less honest about his plans. I also don't think people need to be taxed to death, which also tends to limit options for support. Only Ron Paul has had a policy on taxes and government reduction that I've felt is worth fighting for.

It's so true. I've been trying to understand all why these idiots keep talking about "socialism" and birth certificates for a while now. It's hard to admit that our country is still so full of racists. I think I might cry.

Now that the profanity and the psychiatric diagnoses have failed in your charaterization of the right wing, you have pulled your trump card--the scarlet letter of the 21st century--racist. This is a double bind situation. If we say nothing you are right by default . If we defend ourselves then we protest too much. Brilliant. Instead of targeting the true racists you defile the right. I don't blame you I guess for racists are a foolish and non threatening lot compared to the vast right wing conspiracy. But the real artists of deception are the ingratiating white people many on this blog who will bend over backwards to get minority approval for the sole purpose of proving to themselves that their own judgements are colorblind. I wonder what lies beneath the all tolerant liberal veneer. I wonder who the true racists are. Listen to Bud he makes sense as most libertarians do. Why don't you instead step off your ivory tower venture into Newark New Jersey and actually touch an african american. You can go back to that tower and pat yourselves on the back for several days for your not a racist and now you have proof.

Bud, my mistake then. I apologize. (But it was fun to say,"Sorry Bud..." - I've always wanted to say that.)

I'm glad to know you are anti-war. Those of us who are certainly can't give Obama passing marks on that, and that has nothing to do with race.

I like that word Obama used the other day, it works for some of these folks: Jackass. Thanks for being the Anti-Jackass.

And again where reason fails derogatories prevail.

This really *isn't* about all Conservatives, but it's not just some 1% fringe of the Conservative party, either.

Bud, this does not mean that Obama is beyond reproach. But what it DOES mean is that legitimate Conservatives can't play it both ways: They cannot sit in silence during these totally baseless attacks made within their own party (using "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic), and expect that it won't affect their party's credibility.

By the way, my favorite one (espoused by my own extended family!): Obama is secretly a Muslim extremist...yet simultaneously in the pocket of his Christian pastor!

John Moore.....are you trying to imply that the "true racists" are those who accuse people of racism?

Because if you're accusing democrats who support barack obama of secretly being racist, then that would, by your definition, make you....

Bud, you act as though the Conservatives said, "We are concerned about healthcare", and the Liberals shout, "you don't like him because he's black!"

Consider the Birther movement. The birth certificate exists, it was verified by the governor, his birth was in several papers, yet "controversy" remains.

Consider how many Conservatives still assert that Obama is a Muslim. (The lead organizer for the Tea Party protests is among them.)

Consider that Glenn Beck says that Barack hates white people.

THAT is what this article is referring to: nonsensical, ad hominem attacks, made from members of the Conservative party, that all attempt to fan the flames of latent racism. So please don't kid yourself that all Conservatives are keen on policy debate. They're not.

Elsewhere on Salon:

This morning Limbaugh announces: "In Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering."

Like it or not, Bud -- Limbaugh and Beck are seen as prominent figures in the Conservative community. And they are 100% stoking racism, NOT arguing sensible policy.

* Sorry about the repeated posts: no more, I promise.

WHAT DOLORES SAID

Mr. Brett, have you seen the video Rush refers to?
I have. It's not racist to point out exactly what happened.

A group of rabble who happened to be black savagely attacked a student who happened to be white, while other black students cheered. That's what happened.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/60D37B6EC5FF4711862576320011605B?OpenDocument

Is it fair to generalize as he did using that single event as justification? No, it's not. But it's also an event that's hard to ignore. If the races were reversed in this case, would you be impeaching Jesse Jackson for making similar statements? I don't know if race had anything to do with this incident, but I do know this. You can't have things both ways. You can't try to find a racial motivation whenever you can make it fit when a black person is a victim, and then attack someone does likewise when a white person is. It's intellectually dishonest.

Frankly, I'm open to the possibility there's more to the story than what we know, but judging it solely by the video we have and the details that have emerged, I think there's more of case that this was racially motivated than many other incidents that have that stigma attached to them. I'm not afraid to make the observation that racists can come in all shades, and such racially motivated violence (if that's what it is), is no more or less offensive based on the culture of the assailants.

Bud, have you taken another look? You just said you can't comment on another's motives, but earlier you educated all of us about the true motives behind this video. So, do you still think this video is directed a regular folks who disagree with Obama?

Don't know if you noticed, MHS, but President Carter came forward today on NBC and said he's in agreement with you.

Shephard, I don't need to take another look. A group of black students attacked a white student, and other black students cheered. Period. That's what the video shows.

I never said I knew the motives of the black students, as you claimed I did. I said absolutely the opposite. I pointed out that those who are quick to jump to racial motivations in the case of white people attacking someone of another culture, are intellectually dishonest for claiming "racism" when someone (Rush) makes a similar observation.

Nowhere did I claim to know the motives of the attackers. What I said is that I've seen other stories where the race card was played that definitely offered less to substantiate those claims than what I saw in that video.

Why don't you ask yourself why a a police officer questioning a black man who breaks into his own house becomes a national issue, and why a vicious attack like this is simply glossed over?

If this was a black student beaten for several minutes multiple times by white students with no physical intervention by the bus driver, would you be calling a black radio host a racist for bringing attention to it, with some inappropriate generalization? Strangely, I don't see a lot of that from the left.

Bud, my comments have nothing whatsoever to do with anything related to the fight on the bus. Earlier today you said this:

"There's no possible way I could know someone's motives."

My question is directed about "Mortimer Hayden Smyth"'s video. You came out of the gates today with a very clear opinion about his motives, right? A few people have pointed out today that you seemed to be basing that on something other than what the video claims. Do you still believe that this video is singling out regular conservatives? Do you still claim that "white guilt" was the motive for this video? I'm trying to see if your claim about how you don't want to make guesses about other people's motives has any relationship to what you said about this Opensalon video. And beyond that, I'm not sure why you think this video is directed at anybody other than those who fit the description contained in the video...

Shepard, Thanks for the clarification.
Yes, I feel the video was directed at conservatives. The creator of the video specifically begins with "Many of us in the American conservative movement..." I think given that, and a lot of noise in the left asserting the same, it's a pretty reasonable conclusion to come to.

I engaged in a bit of speculation as to why a white person would be so intent on claiming someone's motives in regards to policy are a result of a hidden racist undercurrent. I can't say with certainty it's a result of some misplaced sense of guilt, but it stands as a theory. I could understand that, anyway...

It seems like a lot of people feel a need to prove how "unracist" they really are by labeling anyone who criticizes Obama as a racist. I find it ironic, and perhaps somewhat of a self-impeachment. Someone who is not a racist, should have no difficulty taking things at face value. It's when everything has these unspoken undertones, that one must wonder how much of that is what psychologists refer to as "projection".

Bud, I don't know how to continue because we're not even in the same building when it comes to even the basic ways a person should go about forming an opinion. You just quoted an extremely bizarre fictional character in order to base your opinion regarding the intent of the video.

I don't even know how to begin. But perhaps we can reach some common ground if I tell you that, yes, I honestly find the character Mortimer Hayden Smyth to be a sick individual. And if he were a real person, I would argue with him as you do. The fact that Mortimer Hayden Smyth thinks he is a rational and normal conservative is, for me, part of what's funny about him.

Just for the record: I don't think of Mortimer as a good example of your basic decent American conservative (and I doubt that most people who enjoy these videos do as well).

Shepard, I'm a bit confused as to why you said: "
My question is directed about "Mortimer Hayden Smyth"'s video...
Do you still believe that this video is singling out regular conservatives?"
And when I used a direct quote form that video as evidence it is indeed targeting conservatives, you point out MHS is a fictional character.

The video is amusing, sure... But I think it certainly has a point to make, and it's the same point that the left keeps trying to thrust upon everyone, specifically that critics of Obama are racist. That is uses a fictional character to do so, doesn't change it's purpose.

I'm glad you don't think MHS is an example of a regular conservative. I don't think so, either, but I get the impression that some on the left do, and that this is why they enjoy the video so much.

Sorry, Bud, I overreacted. You are just stating your opinion. I was surprised you used Mortimer's comments concerning conservatives to understand the view of the video itself. I would see it the exact opposite way. But I was responding with too much crabby and not enough fluffy. Sorry.

I would just say that I think this video in no way implicates the average conservative.

That was STRONG MAN! I loved how you just, man, I can't explain it. It was just good how you used your analogy, description. Especially, with the music getting stronger, and stronger. Seriously, my heart was starting to beat with anticipation. You did not even have to say it man, you didn't even have to say it.

Anyway, that was great! Just excellent. Great expression!

Bud, the reason I pointed out that he is a fictional character is because if you really want to take Mortimer's statements at face value in order to understand the point of these videos than you haven't even begun to approach anything resembling the "truth". But, trust me, I hope you don't go down that road. I wonder why you take him deadly seriously when he calls himself represents himself as a typical conservative, but you won't take him seriously when he singles out individuals who keep attaching new and increasingly ridiculous labels to Obama. I'm not sure why you get to have it both ways, but you told other people earlier in this thread that they shouldn't do that...

Hey,

Bud, Shepherd!
in the workds of Rodney King,
"Can't we all just (voice shaking) get along?"
You two are making more of a big deal out of this then I am.

You both sound (on print) to be very intelligent. I am quite confused with all of it really. LOL!

I know what you mean, R. Mariea, but for some reason I felt convinced I could eventually understand Bud's conclusion. I'm tapering off, don't worry......

LOL! Well, have fun!

R. Mariea,
Haha. I don't really think either of us are trying to argue. I think just trying to understand fully perspectives that seem confusing.
Shepard,
I'm having trouble grasping exactly what you're saying not taking a fictional character seriously on one hand and taking it seriously on the other. I agree that the character provides video clips that seem a bit irrational, but the conclusions seem to be that conservatives are racist. I don't think that's the case. It's a huge generalization. There are racists of all varieties and beliefs.

I think part of the reason that Obama supporters want to make this about race, is because to them it is about race. If Obama was fully white, instead of just half, I think we'd be hearing a lot more opposition from certain people. Don't you?

So John, you agree then that the whole birther thing, and voiced tacit support of it by actual republican legislators, is reasonable? This is something people are insisting of reasonably? If not, then you cannot fail to ask - what is their real beef? And the explosive use of "death panels" to describe a practice which far from being novel already exists in nearly as lurid terms as described ***under the current system, by private insurance companies*** (oh, and in Texas, for one, as part of state programs too, signed into law by the Hon. George W. Bush) - this is not being inflammatory for the sake of it? "OMGGGGGGGGGGGG OBAMA WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER ALREADY DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!! (at worst, yes?). All this gnashing of teeth about "wanting my country back" (not you, protesters and poster boys and girls) when your country elected this man and his (hitherto) ironclad congress majority - this is a normal response to domestic policy differences? Really?

Bud, are you really going to pretend that there aren't "white cliques" and "black cliques" in high schools all over America? That such hasn't been the situation forever? I'm not saying there's a Jim Crow law in effect, but there are also groups and cliques determined largely by skin color. these groups often fight. Sometimes horrifically. Been like that for decades. American History X didn't invent anything, and neither did other fiction and documentaries on the subject. To seize upon a youtube moment from a school fight (go on youtube and search for school fight. you'll be amazed at what the fucking kids are uploading these days...) - to seize on this as any kind of proof of any trend or mood is absurd. Remember the Jena 6? If not, google it. No.News.Here, and the attempt to tie it to national politics is inflammatory and exploitative.

BTW, I haven't watched the video, but even the chief of police there said upon review that it doesn't seem quite raced base as such - and no, racial expletives don't by themselves prove anything, when A is beating on B, A will call B whatever derogatory is handy, and when A and B are from different races, that will inevitably come into play. So is part of the underlying animosity race-based? Chances are vanishing that it's not. This IS America. However, was this an incident of "Let's go kick some white asses" or were their other factors, rooted in internal social dynamics, that led to these black kids kicking this white kid? (or in English, was there a prior beef) - that is another question entirely. This shit happens in schools. It's sad but true. It's not indicative of a race war. At most of ongoing race problems, and not indicative of any trend therein.

POW! Right in the Kisser!

Wow. Knockout. Brilliant.

Bud, I did not mean to imply that that fight wasn't racially motivated. I'm sure there's racial violence all the times, in all directions.

What I WAS trying to state is that Limbaugh is linking this to Obama being president: this is what happens in "Obama's" America. We elected a black guy and look: the blacks are beating up the whites!

Obama has done NOTHING on race since coming to office, so it's not that his *policies* caused this. So then what does "Obama's America" mean?

RickyB, I agree with you. Your American History X reference is somewhat lost on me, though. I've never seen that movie and probably never will, although several people have tried to make me watch it. I've heard enough about what's in it to not want to see it...
Using a single example to indicate a trend is irresponsible generalization. I'm just saying, it's not like that isn't contained within the left's playbook, as well. I'm literally tired of seeing the word "racism" all over the place. I think there's a lot more perception of racism then there is actual racism, but I really try my best to be consistent and not jump to conclusions. I can't say I never do, but it's the ideal.


Mr. Brett, It's hard to argue with that. In the context he put it in, it seems ridiculous, you are right. I hadn't really noticed the "In Obama's America" statement, but that's pretty misplaced, definitely. I'm sure the same thing could have happened under Bush, or anyone else.

@ Bud Gallant

Now the police Chief has backed off the race aspect, saying there is no evidence of it being racially motivated. As anyone can see from the video, where whites and blacks both are horrified or cheering.

This is what happens: Rush et al manufacture froth, and divert us from important work. They elevate the hate, then drive by, leaving confusion, distortion, and lies in their wake.

Brilliant. xox

Don't you love how the right wingnuts go on and on and on, explaining why Mort's thesis is a crock, and how it can't possibly be true? And how racism has nothing to do with it? And how the leftists are fixated on this term? And on and on...

wink, wink, nudge, nudge, get my drift?

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