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FEBRUARY 1, 2009 5:27PM

If I owned hell and Texas

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Making fun of my home state has a long and rich tradition.  On returning from the Mexican War, General Phillip Sheridan said of his time in Texas, “If I owned hell and Texas, I’d rent out Texas and live in hell.”  General Sheridan, I suspect there are Virginians still who do not doubt that you weren’t given the option when your time came. 

Apparently it is socially acceptable to make fun of other parts of the country, regardless of whether one has reason to make such pronouncements.  We blanch at begrudging someone a different race, religion, or sexual orientation, but, oh shit, you didn’t say he was from Texas.  Well, only two things come from Texas, steers and queers, and he doesn’t look to have any horns on ‘em. 

I will concede, unlike other states, Texas has had the opportunity to prove that it is unprepared for self-governance.  So are many members of the United Nations.  Someone please identify a state that would be prepared for self-governance. 

  The Honorable Rick

It is worth noting that the governor of Texas, the Honorable Rick Perry, has balanced both a full head of hair and avoided a career-ending scandal.  This feat puts him ahead of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, who stumbled with that second prerogative, and the former governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer, who managed neither. 

I just got into my first OS catfight over this problem.  By OS catfight standards, it was pretty mild.  Someone thought it was funny that the Texas legislature is considering legislation to permit shooting feral hogs on public land, not just on private land.  She invoked the name of Molly Ivins, as if by citing her she could demonstrate her bona fides in this ridicule. 

Another couple commenters piled on, oh what bloodthirsty excessive hicks those Texans are!  A couple Texans and I took issue, and pointed out the damage that these hogs cause, the diseases they carry, and that this wasn’t being done for sport.  They aren’t even indigenous to this continent.  Ranchers are hiring helicopter companies to shoot feral hogs on their own property.  When you hire someone to kill animals on your property, that’s not hunting.  That’s called pest control. 

It ain't Babe 

We’re not talking about shooting Babe or Wilbur. 

My arguments and the more eloquent ones of my fellow statesmen fell on deaf ears.  Comments were closed.  Okay, you win.  I’m a bloodthirsty, arrogant Texan.  That’s cool.  But at least I am a bloodthirsty, arrogant Texan with manners.  I know most people were told as children, if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.  It was in Bambi.  (Bambi is our favorite movie; we really like the part where his mother gets shot.)  I actually internalized that bromide. 

When I disagree with someone, if I know my position is irrational, then I keep it to myself.  And if it is a rational position, like, oh, I hate that place because I was miserable when I lived there, I see little to be gained from telling a native of that place, gee, I hate your town.  You must be stupid for not having left.

I’ve lived enough places that weren’t to my liking, but all you’ll get out of me on that subject is that that city had terrible Mexican food.  And if I haven’t been some place, why would I make fun of it and its inhabitants based purely on stereotypes?  Any monkey can feel superior based on some snide stereotype.  And I am no monkey.  I am a Texan.

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Gee, I missed the kerfuffle. I read that post and meant to comment. Feral pigs are a pestilence. Also, feral pigs are very hard to kill and, if only wounded, a real danger to the hunter. I'd use a helicopter, too. I'm no Texan, but as a native Alabamian, I'm very accustomed to people presupposing that they know all about me and my character.
I obviously missed whatever this was in response to, but I'll read and rate anything you write.
Overworked--thanks for the article. Kerfuffle is my new word for the day.

Lisa--thank you. And thanks for the plug in Cartouche's favorites. You should know, the hogs are coming for you. Last night I read some Pennsylvania DA document about how they're spreading up there too. And on the Richter Scale of OS kerfuffles, it was about a 0.7.
Hell yes. Feral hogs aren't particularly nice creatures. It's no different than the programs in other states to control nutria, another invasive species.
I thought it was kerfluffle? Anyway, feral pigs are crazy mean and wouldn't be here without the conquistadors. Rated.
Amen, Sister! I owe you a big Broken Spoke chicken fried steak or a mess of my wild feral pan sausage extraordinaire (my recipe).
As my Kansas brother-in-law likes to say, " You all may go to Hell, I'm goin' to Texas!" , per David Crockett.
My bro got here as fast as he could. He is now an "Honorary Texas". Cheers!/rated
Scruffus, I continue to be fascinated by nutria, but only because there are none here, yet.

Bella99, both variants are acceptable, from Scot. curfuffle.

Texas Bubba, amen indeed, to all things chicken-fried that are not actually chicken. I will absolutely take you up on your wild feral pan sausage extraordinaire.
Ah, a fellow Texan. Come visit me under the I-45 bridge sometime.
I used to have hoardes of wild boar that ran through my property in France that dug up the roots of old oak trees in search of truffles. My yard looked like the scene from "Dances With Wolves". French hunters used to sit poised on my property line armed with big shotguns and I would tell them to leave. They responded, "we're not going to shoot your property, we're going for the wild swines". Nobody could win. The damage was immense and they were dangerous. But so were those fucking hunters.
I just didn't want to witness the blood and gore for either side.
Rated for rantiness with good reason. Well written.
Harry--which end of I-45?

Cartouche--so you see the need for the helicopters. Reduces blood and gore on at least one side. Texas has nearly two million of them.
Incidentally, is it poor form to not give the objects of my ire the opportunity to respond by notifying them?
You beat me to this! I was going to write a post - still may - about this very thing! It was the smugness of the "priceless headline" that made my blood boil, then after reading it realized that she didn't even read the legislature that she was citing or didn't understand it. Then stating that she lived in Dallas somehow makes it alright? Please! Then in the comments she says, "I welcome debate." Next. Comment are now closed. Total bullshit. Sorry.

I was living in Oregon a few years ago and someone said that I was from Oregon now. My response: Honey, I'll be from Texas 'til the day I die. Other people may not get it and that's okay. That's something that only Texans can have. We have our flaws, yes. But, have you ever heard an argument over someone saying - Hey, I'm a Delawarian?
Julie, as long as there's smugness, there's room for rants about smugness. I'm glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by that. I was briefly sidetracked when she claimed to share the state. But alas, just one more carpetbagger. (Texas Bubba's brother-in-law, you know I don't mean you. Big difference.)

You're right. So many of my friends are scattered from here, but many of them still (classily) hang Texas flags in their homes.
First thing I have read and I had tears in my eyes. That was really, really funny. Friended so I won't miss any...
I'm a bloodthirsty, arrogant Texan, too. Less bloodthirsty than Governor Goodhair, I'll warrant, but enough to conflict with the Buddha nature.

It should be noted that in addition to feral hogs, we also have an abundance of nutria in TX. And Fire Ants and Killer Bees and Southern Pine Beetles. And don't forget the boll weevil.

Assuming the Buddha nature is very challenging in Texas.
I abide in the DFW area.

I used to be a courier in north Texas and ran over a family of feral hogs one night on a farm to market road. One of the most sickening experiences of my life.

You write very well for a hick. Did you see my post: Texas Twits On Parade? Gov. Goodhair didn't make the list but only because I wanted those who'd done national damage.
Geoff, thank you.

Rich, Arlington, Houston, and San Antonio are all working on Buddha stature.

Oh, you said nature. Buddha would probably make an exception for fire ants. And you just listed the invasive species. The indigenous ones aren't much better: armadillos carry leprosy; eight billion species of mosquito, some of which carry West Nile (invasive); grackles that dive-bomb peoples' heads; this place just isn't for the faint of heart. Thanks for stopping by.
Glad you used the disclaimer - classy, otherwise I would've had to stereotype your friends. ;)

Paul just came in and said that he meant to tell me he was out in the far pasture this morning and had about 10 hogs there. I blame Sarah O'Leary!

He also thinks that armadillos are the best thing ever. He's from Cali and doesn't quite get it yet. He just likes to look at them and watch the dogs try to fight them. I tell him, yeah, that's great until one of their legs falls off from leprosy.
We got these illegal porkers in Oregon too. Do lots of damage to the habitat.
Oregon is actually working hard on invasive plants with a public education program. English ivy and Scotch broom!
I love it when someone loves where they live.
Harry--I don't write this. I got someone from one of them literate states to do it for me.

Julie--and Lisa Kern was all upset over a couple mice. Bigger state, bigger pests.

O'Steph--I was reading about how in Pennsylvania the state is referring to the feral pigs as such, rather than wild boars, as one measure to try and keep people from getting too excited about hunting them for sport. Thistles and tumbleweeds are from Russia, I think.
I've been AWOL and didn't see the catfight. As the saying goes, "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could." Feral hogs? Hell, there are worse varmits in Austin right now and they walk on two legs. I don't suppose it's open season on them, huh?

As for our Howdy Doody governor, I have no idea how he's managed to avoid a career-ending scandal. What I heard as a well-founded rumor a week or so ago is evidently common knowledge in Austin.

I wish they could get rid of fire ants from helicopters.
You mean this post? Heli-Hog-Hunters to Touch Down in Texas!

Anything that makes for more bacon is a good development. As I wrote over there, I know some guys who hunt those monsters on foot with spears and knives and helos sound saner. monkey fingered.
Julie, I'll bite. What's the rumor? I'm not a fan of the ol' boy, but I did get a kick out of watching him push Sarah Palin around at the Republican Governors Assocation. Is that wrong?

I would learn to fly a helicopter if we could hunt fire ants with it.

BBE--yes, that's the post. If they want to hunt hogs with spears, Godspeed. They'll need it.
Missed all of what this pertains to--but some of my favorite people on OS are from Texas---so this is just a show of support. But, I really hate the Cowboys (just thought I'd mention that, it being Super Bowl Sunday and all.) Sorry, it's in my contract as a NY Giants fan---in large type, so as not to be missed.
m. a.h., I can forgive you because the Giants choked this year also.
Well, you guys sent us Asleep At the Wheel and that funny looking guy who married and divorced Julia Roberts so you are alright by me.
Hey, nobody gets to hate the Cowboys more than the Eagles. We've pounded their asses with great relish too. Also (and sorry about this, ladies) gave the Giants a good old fashioned shellacking to get to the playoffs. And then came the Cardinals... and then came the Steelers. What goes around in hog country stays around in hog country I guess.
Sally, that game had me joking that I was glad Mike wasn't here to see it.
Without a Paddle, Lyle Lovett, bless his heart, is one homely man, but probably still a hero to many.

Stellaa, thank you for stopping by. I'm not sure if it's virtue so much as intellectual laziness.
OK, I'll confess: I'm a Houston native and I don't miss it.

This isn't to say that there aren't things I miss, ranging from BBQs to magnolia trees. I miss the Gulf Coast and I even miss Texas thunderstorms. I make a point to tell people that I was able to buy a house as a single woman in my 20s due to the cost of living there and that Houston is routinely ranked as the best place in the county to raise a family if you're black. These are admirable things which fly in the face of those who feel that all Texans are rednecks. It also rankles all those who feel they are so morally superior but who would move if more than a few blacks bought homes in their neighborhood. I also have some extremely bright and well-educated friends who think Houston is a heaven for them and I understand their point of view.

I don't miss Texas politics. I don't miss the teachers who thought it was their moral duty to try and convert me in the classroom because I had the audacity not to be raised Christian. I don't miss those who tried to take science out of science class. I absolutely don't miss mutant ninja RenLady eating bugs or the nest of copperheads which worked its way into an outer wall of my house.

For me the negatives outweighed the positives and I left. I'm still back every year as most of my family is there and I enjoy visiting. I honestly appreciate and rated your post due to the fact that you're trying to break a negative stereotype and get people to think before they judge. I'm convinced the last two things which are fashionable to stereotype are fat women and Texans.
You got involved in a kerfulle? This was worth it for just that word alone. Don't take no crap from the negativos, give 'em a good verbal slap or two. It is hard living in a place that has a name synonymous with stupidity, believe me I feel your pain. Enjoyed my two visits to your state, especially the Gulf. Those pigs are one ugly critters.
I've read the original post and don't see what all the fuss is about.
T for Texas, T for Tennessee ... and since you're in one and I'm in 'tother, I guess we can both feel put upon. I must say tho, ya'll got us by one dubious distinction -- don't know if it's still true, but Texas use to be the only state in the Union in which more people died of gunshot than in car wrecks.

As for Phil, did you know historians now believe he was lyin' his ass off about stripping the Shenandoah Valley so clean that a crow flying over wouldn't find a kernel of corn to eat? I put him in one of my songs anyway just so Southerners could spit at the mention of his name. This is from my song called Crazy Horse:

"Sherman burned the heart out of the South
And Sheridan left nothing for the crows
They won the war, then their wagons headed out
To kill the Indian and the buffalo"

Available on my CD SoulofHawk -- and now we take you back to Tampa and the third half of Super Bowl XLIII.
Those wild hogs are prolific in rural areas of California too. People who have only lived in cities just don't know a lot about life outside the metropolis. Remember that spinach that made a lot of people sick? Feral pigs pooped in the field where the spinach was growing.

My favorite short subject was Bambi Meets Godzilla, no manners in that one, but a definite point of view.

I like what you have to say here Mrs. Michaels. It sounds like the good stuff my Grampa taught me, farmer that he was.

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By the way, I am a native Californian. A daughter of the golden west and wherever the hell I pay my taxes now doesn't change that fact. Home is home, ain't it! I spent 11 years in Maryland. That sure didn't change where I was from. I can't imagine any Texan being any less loyal. Roots are roots.
People get sentimental about coyotes in the East. I expressed the sentiment that they are pests at a dinner party once and got an earful from a woman who said we were invading their space. Coyotes didn't appear in the East until the 1950's, I said, which would be three centuries after the Pilgrims.
Great articles come and go so quickly. It's easy to miss Tex the new student snoring during the GED orals.
Unless a newbie hires a staff of full time OS piano pounders, pals and buddies from your Texas high school, Ya know, the drop-outs? The politico gang of hoodlums from Texas who wear moose antler? The same-same as from the state of Aaska...huh. Ya can miss great comments.... heh....
You miss pigs snorting, men with comb-over black hair wigs, hair piece, Mops. I love Texas. Those fedora ten gallon hats are as fun as when I was bedridden in a hospital and the entire nursing staff wore Rudolph Reindeer antlers at Christmas Season. I like Texan accents, bagels, pizza pie, and just wonder why the lovely Turkeys become DC gobblers.
How many hairs on the chin constitutes a beard? Then, is it okay to begin calling Texan males a cute little piglet? The politicians who go wee wee wee all the way to the market place? I love America too. The ones who mess-up need to apologize. They make this Land a place of Misery. Now, if you don't like Texans, Ya will love those Missouri folk. They are never acting as if they are in a sad-misery state. The trucks license says:`The kick me state? Or, the show me?
(if this is silly and stupid. delete) It's to be eating alone in a Polish restaurant in Waco Texas?
(if you ate low-fat kielbasa)
I know I should move there.
Renaissance Lady, I really love that you can live well here without being wealthy. There are rednecks and religious zealots everywhere. What I like about our zealots is that they usually don’t try to blow you up for disagreeing with them. And I bet you get tired of feeling like you have to answer for Texas.

Idaho, I thought you would appreciate this.

Ms. Peel, you are ordinarily far more precise. Am I making a fuss for no reason, or did you fail to see the apparently “priceless” humor of pest control by helicopter? If the former, it’s because I’m tired of people thinking they can make themselves look clever by putting down other peoples’ places of origin.

Tom, thank you for stopping by. I’ve never heard that statistic, but it’s macabre enough that I like it. Some of our favorite Texans started off in Tennessee. Thanks for sharing your song. Not enough socially acceptable reasons to spit anymore.

Suzanne, I remember having to curtail my orders of goat cheese, spinach, and sausage pizza. I didn’t realize I couldn’t get the spinach because of the sausage. I now have to look up Bambi meets Godzilla. And, yes, roots is roots, but we do allow for conversions. It’s why God gave us the bumper sticker, “I wasn’t born in Texas, but I got here as quick as I could.”

Con, people will get a whole lot less sentimental about coyotes when their cats start disappearing. But they are filling a niche left vacant by the red wolves.

Mr. James, Missouri is the state that, when given the choice between a dead man and John Ashcroft, wisely chose the corpse. Corrupt and mediocre politicians can come from anywhere. The main Texas pol you’re thinking of may have started high school here, but he got his education elsewhere. Andover, Harvard, and Yale must be so proud.
I forgot to mention, we have wild hogs here in East Tennessee, too, imported from Russia in the 1800's by a beer baron from Cinci who had a huge hunting lodge just across the border in NC. It's likely some breeding has gone on with feral non-Russian hogs, but hunters don't bother to check their DNA-ID.

Local boys proudly display Hog-Hunter bumper-stickers or decals on the back window of their Toyota pick-ups. Their dogs are just dumb enough to enjoy hunting hogs, too -- until they catch up with one. Hogs are not only tough, they're smart -- a lot smarter than dogs.

One hog killed 15 head of cattle before they caught up with the old boar - he was HUGE. But hunters appear to be winning this battle; hogs like bear, are getting harder and harder to find.
Mrs: I have been in so many of these that I have given up trying to educate those who believe that anyone who can look up and see blue instead of gray concrete stacked 40 storys high, simply must be ignorant and stupid. There is not end to these so-called liberals bigotry and sterotyping. It is disheartening to find so many that are just the reverse side of the neo-con coin. What'cha gonna do?

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Tom, I read that the map of where feral hogs have spread resembles the 2004 election map.

John, I live in a city. I will probably always live in a city. I like living here. It works out. Not everyone wants to live in a city, and I think that probably works out pretty well.

It would seem that there are enough erudite and eloquent members on OS from rural places that people would know better. Einstein summed it up best, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
Bloodthirsty, arrogant Texan with manners ... my favorite kind!!!

Rick Perry ... icky!!!
Sure, he's icky, but I gotta like him for manhandling Sarah Palin at the RGA (at 2:19): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exPrpu_jigs
Steers and Queers? It sounds like a gay steak house.
I first heard it in Full Metal Jacket.
I'm a Taco Bell junkie, so I guess that would make me a heretic to a Texan. I had interesting nachos in TN once. With goat cheese. It was actually very good.
The nachos sound good. Oddly enough, I found really good Mexican food in Kentucky, near the West Virginia/Ohio border. Taco Bell is here, but that doesn't mean I have to think about it.
There is a Taco Bell/KFC down the street. Nachos Supreme, Gordita, Jualupas, Mexican Pizza. Original recipe two piece meals with mashed potatoes a biscuit and cole slaw. It sure beats the McDonalds down the street.
It's actually pretty amazing that Perry has thus far avoided scandal. He didn't get the nickname "Governor Groper" for nothing. A serial cad, indeed.
I don't know anything about the scuffle that you say you were involved in previously, but you invited me to this post (from elsewhere) where I posted about my dislike of most things Texan--I have plenty of material for such a conversation as this because I am (originally) from Texas and so I know first hand how Texas is limitless in its capacity to produce material.

If you like, I can go about this point by point with you--in response to the above posting (there is so much to take issue with). However, for now, let me just respond with a sentiment much like the one you previously (on another person's blog) addressed to me:

I written about people like you.
I would love to see what you have written about people who ask for basic courtesy in discourse. If you're offering to identify a state that is prepared for self-governance, I'd love to be proven wrong.

I am attempting to convey, in my own bloodthirsty hick way, that I think it is unbecoming of people to mock other places for no better reason than that you can. Where I come from, that's called rude. Feel free to explain why you find a request for civility so offensive.
"If you're offering to identify a state that is prepared for self-governance, I'd love to be proven wrong"

I said, or, as you say, "offered" no such thing. Plus, I think its a ridiculous argument.

"people who ask for basic courtesy in discourse."

You, madam, came onto a thread on another person's blog and challenged me--not the other way around. You have called me (personally) names; I have, thus far, not returned the favor. So who is it that is "juvenile"? hypocritical?

"I think it is unbecoming of people to mock other places for no better reason than that you can."

I don't mock Texas because I can. I mock it because Texans are so arrogant and laughably wrong about so many things.

You may call it rude to call out Texas on its dirt--where I come from, it's call discourse. And by the way, you argue poorly.
Much of my post was supposed to be absurd. If you'll scan the comments, most people seem to have noticed that.

And bless you lil heart, where I come from, saying a place is "fat and dumb" has all the rhetorical sophistication of a yo mama joke.

Juvenal is a name. Juvenile, as I used, was an adjective.

Your apparent hostility is a little distressing.
Nice attempt at rollback but it aint gonna fly, sugar.
I just double-checked my comment. I didn't even call you juvenile. I just said you were being juvenile. You interpreted that to be name-calling? Really?
I'm hatefully late to this, but wanted to say thank you for defending Texas. I, too, noticed that there's a lot of Texas bashing around here - and flinch every time I see it. I have my favorite state to hate, a state that I can't figure out why people voluntarily relocate there, but I'm not telling you which one.
Good piece, Mrs. Michaels. As a native Texan, I can appreciate your frustration. Similar comments have gotten me involved in a kerfuffle or two over the years. I suppose folks from W. Virginia get just as tired of hearing about the toothbrush having been invented there.

The thing is, someone that isn't a Texan can never understand that even WITH fireants, we wouldn't want to be from anywhere else on Earth. I've been away for a few decades now, although I get back now and then, but I've never ceased to be a proud Texan, and I DO fly a Texas flag, when the situation calls for it.

As a footnote, my daddy and I used to hunt javelina with pistols, down in the Davis mountains. If the feral hogs' typical disposition is evenly remotely similar, I think hunting them with spears would be great material for a reality TV show... it'd make Jackass look tame!

Rated, and appreciated. I'll be back around for the next one.