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MARCH 25, 2011 3:11PM

The Good Old Days at Open Salon: Pft

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We’re at a point in the cycle of OS tides where it seems like a lot of reminiscences about the days when OS was the Algonquin Round Table keep washing up on our plastic-strewn beach.  Maybe it was, and maybe my memory is wrong.  Too bad.  I’m in my sixth day of being heat-free in Vermont “spring” and Dog 2 has had diarrhea indoors for five of those days, probably because she isn’t drinking enough water for the Cushing’s disease that makes her pee all the time.  I’ve got nothing better to do in between moppings up and huddling over the tea kettle.  Typing keeps the fingers from stiffening up. 

I was an early newbie, part of the first wave that pissed off the betas after the glorious summer of seclusion in ought-eight.  There was a quaint custom of the “editor” to put two or three of a newbie’s posts on the cover.  This was both useful and funny – it hooked them like that first big haul on the crack-pipe (“I’m on the cover! They recognize my brilliance!”) in those impressionable first days of being here, for the comments would come in and you’d feel all warm and cozy.  Then cold reality would hit, and no more covers and very few comments (because new newbies arrived and were given the limited amount of cover space that wasn’t devoted to the regulars, and omg if you think there are regulars now, you have no idea…), and you’d see the newbies staggering around whimpering for months afterward.  That was the funny part.  Some of them disappeared.  Some of them mounted campaigns to be accepted into the Group.   Some of them formed their own Groups.  Some of them sat around and started talking to themselves (that would be me).

About those regulars on the cover – there was already suspicion that some of the posts that got slapped up on the cover as soon as they appeared were by people imported specifically to be cover material.  Maybe even paid!  Jocelyn Testes-Harder was one of those looked at askance, although for the life of me, I could never understand that one.  The squirrel, perhaps.  Anything is possible. (JTH lives on elsewhere, but abandoned the thankless OS some time ago.  Nothing left but comments – an X marks the spot.)   I think the idea was that they were solicited in order to bring in their massive pre-existing audiences, which – well, if it worked, the effect was not obvious.  Maybe it did.  Maybe that’s where the spam started.  Anyway, cover favoritism was established way back.  I miss the gossip that it involved money. 

It’s true there were parties.  I’m not sure they were as much fun as they are in memory.  There was a lot of drunk blogging back then, too, and it may have made the parties seemed more filled with sparkling wit than they actually were.  I suppose it’s possible it was just like being at a New York cocktail party, but having witnessed mostly the cigarette butts and discarded glasses on Saturday mornings, I never got the hilarity.  It was just another of the many mysteries of OS, like dirty haiku Thursday, something else I don’t miss.

What was true about the parties was that they could consume the feed for days, an impossible feat now.  People would rush hither and thither to see what had just been said at the various party sites, and posting at these times was just like – well, posting now.  Only instead of being able to take comfort in being hidden by the spam flood, you would have to acknowledge you were not part of the Party Gang (you could be, but it was a lot of work.  Not everyone thought it was worth it.  The various kings and queens of OS always think it is worth it, until it isn’t, and then they disappear). 

Sometimes a newbie would wander in and look around and not “get it.”  If the newbie was so unwise as to post something to this effect, the Mean Girls (and yes, there really were Mean Girls back in the day, and there were Mean Guys, too, but I didn’t read the Mean Guys very often, so that’s someone else’s story) would descend and beat the crap out of them, their view being that if the newbie didn’t like it, the newbie could leave. Flouncings supplied more fodder for ridicule, so it was a satisfying cycle.   My favorite MG comment during one of these pummelings was that the problem with OS was that there were too many neurotic shut-ins holding forth now.  Being a neurotic shut-in myself, I could see the point, but still.  It seemed a little de trop.

The pummelings and the meta posts would often produce two fascinating side-effects.  First, lectures on the community’s behavior would appear.  These used to be very popular after what we now call “dust-ups.”  Then there would be more fights over how the “community” should behave, and whether the blogger had any right to nag the “community” in the first place.  I never understood the need to lecture the peasants, but some people had it bad.  It’s always fun to see it crop up again, but now the responses are mostly articulate and polite.  Really!  I mean, in comparison to the old days, when they hauled in the racks and gibbets.

Second, there would be meta posts about the meta posts clogging the feed (yes, this was possible back then, as with the parties) and sometimes the complaining poster would furnish a list of topics the other idiot meta posters could use to write about instead of writing their idiot meta posts.  People would even thank them for the lists!  It was something.  Of course, other people wouldn’t thank them for the lists, and there would be more fights.

Come to think of it, it really was more fun in the old days.  The flame wars February/March 09… now those were flame wars.  You could have roasted marshmallows at your monitor, except you wouldn’t want to because of all the leglifting.  That added a hefty dose of nutty salts of pee to the fire. 

And then there were the infamous meet-ups, and all the fall-out and fallings out following the meet-ups and more fights and more parties and it seemed a lot more like Danielle Staub and Andy Cohen than Dorothy Parker and Alexander Woollcott.

Of course, this is my memory of it. Your mileage may have varied.

 

 

I’m not saying there weren’t plenty of good aspects to OS in the “olden days.”  But the notion that it was some paradise of fabulous writers and wits strikes me as weird.  For one thing, we didn't yet have Bellwether Vance.  What we did have that was truly spectacular was life without spam.  We didn’t appreciate that enough. 

 

 

 

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I miss the Jocelyn Testes-Harder posts splayed on the front page amidst the sanctimonious stuff. Whatever happened to the Freaky Troll?
Mumbletypeg- thanks for being OS historian/librarian in the spirit of old Vermont shut-in curmudgeon on the very wide porch in the rocking chair (we used to have a house in Randolph, my sister is in Winooski). I don't know if it matters what the fuss is about (it's almost always the same), it's that there IS fuss, and people need to feel good about being important enough to fuss and comment. Those who don't feel involved just go away. The annoying things I find about the dustups/lectures/flounces is that some are truly vicious and reflect really poorly on the character of the writer. I have a hard time enjoying their work after that, or trusting anything the declare. And they are often those declaring loudest and noisiest.
God, I hope this doesn't inspire a Dust-Up and the return of JT-H (and Dr. Amy) - oh the pissing and moaning... (of which I'd do my share). Tho I miss Dr. Arnie Tutor - he was funny. (Probably still around under some other name.)
Noah - JHT has her own blog you could visit. Freaky's ape has other things to tend.

Oryoki Bowl - I don't have a porch or a rocking chair, only a minuscule mudroom and some rotting steps to sit on, which may contribute to the curmudgeonlyness. Winooski! That's just up the road, sort of, in the next county. I would hate to see all the lecturing disappear, but it's almost an endangered species now.

Myriad - I'd forgotten Dr. Arnie. Such an improvement over Dr. Amy.
Word is-was that Dr. Arnie Tudor, a parody of course of "Dr" Amy Tuteur, was Catamite Bastard.

Catamite asked the doctor (being it was an ask the doc forum)

"Dear Doctor Arnie:

I have this rash on my anus. I'm wondering if it is a result of my support for Gazan independence, or if it perhaps I should be using something less harsh than Fels Naptha in the shower? Do you need pictures to diagnose?
Catamitebastard
January 26, 2009 03:47 AM"

The doctor answered: "Mr Catamitebastard - It appears from your name, you may be involved in some sort of relationship that could easily be the cause of the rash on your anus. First, refrain from using Fels Naptha as it is likely to aggravate that condition. Second, in cases like this, kegel exercises can help to tighten the pelvic floor and the sphincter muscle sufficiently to prevent reinsertion, which is the probable cause of your irritation.

In other words, don't do anything rash.

As for Gaza, I will need pictures if you have them, since so few are appearing on American television for some reason.
ArnieTudorMD
January 26, 2009 09:18 AM"

January 26, 2009 was a great day Mumbles.

Now the first time I ran across Jocelyn Testes-Harder, on the cover of course, just below what ever Dr.Amy drivel was there that day, she spoke of how she had what she called an "indifference stick" which she used to keep her whining son at a distance. Not knowing her M.O. I told her someone should snatch up her indifference stick and beat her ass with it. Yeah, I was a newbie, and all those "in the know" laughed at me... and it hurt.

Hell, I could go on. Ah, the mammaries! In fact I think I will write a wonderful meta post now. Been a while and I need the attention dontchaknoo.

Great post!
Nice to see some reality hit ;).

And sympathies on your four-legs, among the things I've lived through - and lost - with mine, Cushings wasn't one of them for which I'm thankful :(.

Rated for glasses untouched by rose.
Heck... had to go look through the Dr. Arnie posts again. The avatars there, mostly forgotten.

I asked the doctor on Jan 27th: "Dear Dr. Tudor ...
I was recently diagnosed with optic rectosis .
As it was explained to me this is when the optic nerve
somehow becomes attached to the rectum , giving the
afflicted ( me in this case ) a shitty outlook on life .
Any advice ?
tr ig
January 27, 2009 03:37 PM"

his diagnosis: "Mr Trig Palin -- I'm very familiar with optic rectosis. Fortunately, there's and easy cure: rose colored asses.
ArnieTudorMD
January 27, 2009 04:59 PM"
Being on OS for a year, I don't know if I'm a newbie or an oldbie, but I enjoyed your post.
R
this is one of the best and funniest pieces i have ever read here. ever. between the neurotic shut-ins and the de trop, i can't decide my favorite. and bellwether's posts are what ever single one of us -- old, new, in, out -- should aspire to write. except, of course, for yours.
I remember too. Communities evolve and change, and that's okay. There's bad with good everywhere. Thanks for the walk down memory lane.
I joined nearly two years ago now. About a month after I came on, there was a HUGE screamfest over something or other. I've always kept that in mind when hearing about the good old days.
what? you mean not everyone was a "real" writer posting epic tomes all the while being erudite and kind to their fellow blogger?

and here i though this was once a boring hole of civility.
trig - I don't miss that many people but I miss catamitebastard, damn it. If he was Dr. Arnie, I wouldn't be surprised. Did you save these? No, you are saying they are still in the archives? I must look.

Tony Soprano said "remember when is the lowest form of conversation." but I say phooey. Go write a meta post! You made me laugh with the JHT account, but I am laughing with you. Thank you.
seer - my glasses are cheese-smudged, it's true. I need to wash them.

Steve - we are all newbies. You are an old newbie. I am an elderly newbie.

femme forte - I would blush, but I need to conserve body heat. Thank you.

sweetfeet - if they didn't evolve and change, they'd implode, so it's a good thing.
Love this. It should be standard issues to all "newbies" like me who wander around wondering what is going on here. It is much clearer now!
AtHomePilgrim - let's see, would that be the flame wars of April or May 09... Yes. It was a good season. Maybe not quite up to February and March, but still - oh, hell. I don't remember. There were so many. In a way it was good because it distracted the newbies from crying about their lost cover placements.

lorianne - you said that, not me!
Sarah - thank you. Don't run away. We're actually a bit more civil these days. Of course, it's all relative.
Wow! Looks like I missed all the excitement. Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to putter along, knowing that all the serious, blow 'em up blogging is firmly in the past. But wait--In 2015, will someone put forth the notion that 2011 was really, truly the year that really defined "Scorched Earth Blogging?" And I will say, "That's right, I was there, and my ass is still smoking..."
I so enjoyed this post. You and I must have joined about the same time. OS will always carry a special place in my heart and as long as it is running, I will be here. Three and a half years ago, it came at a challenging period in my life and it was an incredibly and surprisingly powerful and positive influence in my life. It's been fun to see how my writing has changed since I first joined to the present. It's been hard to see many people I care about leave although I stay in touch with many of them. I've had the good fortune of meeting so many OSers in person...into the dozens and without fail, I have enjoyed every single one of them. Even had an OS whoopdeedo at my home one summer. I loved this stroll down memory lane. And like you, I wouldn't paint those days in rose colored glasses either. And you are so right, we should have appreciated the lack of spam more! But I am a tried and true OSer and it continues to be quite an adventure. Thanks so much for writing this.
This was really a good post. I just past my 2 year mark, and though things are different (more people and the addition of spam) the more things change the more they are the same. I miss certain writers, but that goes for every popular blog site I know of. The ebb and flow works. I never understood the appeal of flame wars, dust ups or even flouncing. Thanks for the stroll backwards...and keep on rocking!
Waxing nostalgic is only good for hair removal, if you have hair on your nostalgic, but that is getting a bit personal. This was fun. The so called good old days wasn't that long ago.
I suspected.....and I like your style in writing this. : )
Now, do you have any of those "topics" lists hanging around??
(Even a year ago, you could tell a Friday night drinking post pretty easily...even, let's see...oh yes, it was...last Friday night.)
When the issue comes up I always defer to the Springsteen song, "Glory Days" which calls into question if there was ever such a thing.

Hhhmm, status quo vs. emerging culture will always create conflict.
It's driven the course of human history. So when I feel I get over invested in this place I get outside for fresh air. Puts everything in perspective.
oh god, I love you. (huge wet smooch for this one)

I have found hindsight is usually a film shot with a greasy vaselined lens accompanied by a sappy soundtrack.

ahhhhh... the glories of the good old days when we lived in garrets and hovels and shared stale crusts of bread sacrificing all for the tortured magnificent art we made.

I came here a little more than a year and a half ago. The writing was wonderful and very entertaining. Like now. Excellent quality, different names/people.

I don't have the time to wander these gloried halls as I once did. It's just not possible. So I miss my favorites terribly. And these new voices. I hardly get to read so when I do, I rate (if it takes) but rarely comment unless I'm settled in for a couple of days of self indulgence. I suppose in these times, it's that way with many people. You make the time for OS and then life screams your name and you can't.

MGs still pay the OS peons a visit now and again to rub our collective undeserving noses in their dust.

alas sad us. sad sad. snivel snivel. snark.

truth is the talent is here and hopefully will always be here. a hole opens and another talent fills the gap and voila! a fresh new voice.

tough titty said the monkey.
As I wrote on DrewSilla's post last night, when I came there was a huge flame war about people going to Vegas and people got mad that hey couldn't go.. then the pirate drinking parties and people got mad they werent' invited and on and on... same kinda fights different names and dates. I don't see much of a change from almost two years ago when I joined.
Boy, what I have missed...
Interesting take on the past, M. I came along in August, 08, about the same time as you and Mary Kelly. I was single, living in NY and had recently been diagnosed with cancer. It was a tough time, and I was immensely grateful to have found this place.

The mood in the past, when the site was smaller, was perhaps more cliquish, and a bit tougher. The wit was pretty cool, but sometimes crossed over to sarcastic attacks and picking on people, like in junior high school.

I have always been fiercely independent, so have managed to bridge the gap and stick around, although I'm here less than I have been in the past. I've met a couple of dozen OSers over the years, and have found them to be smart and much as I expected. Some are now my friends. I miss so many people. My OS favorites list is 2/3 gone, and I haven't heard from many of my faves for years.

The talent will always be here. Dustups will always remain. But I think it is a less intense place now. And, like Mary, I'm thankful for OS and intend to stay as long as possible.
Ive been on here ~2years and trust me, anyone who is new, hasnt missed much. and that may always be the case on this site.
ps speaking of flamewars, I really miss KARIN REGO, the @#%& &^*$
ok, sometimes Im a cynical old curmudgeon, but heres something to think about. it seems like maybe the flamewars have decreased in intensity as the site has grown. thats been my personal perception. anyone else agree? I think as the site gets bigger, the influence of any one person decreases. I cant even think of highly read personalities on here any more. the whole thing gets diluted. there is only a finite amount of front page space and yet the number of active writers is probably steadily increasing. and therefore, I would hate to wager on this, but -- arguably the quality of the selected writing on the cover is probably going up moderately as well. the site just doesnt have the immaturity of a young site any more. and yeah 2 years is not long in the Real World but in cyberspace its a near eternity..... anyway heres hoping that OS sticks around a long time & has a long future even as its bloggers generally do not.... it would be fun to try to compile an Open Salon history, wouldnt it? some events that I remember as I write this-- the release of the movie Julie and Julia which led to I cant believe how many new bloggers on here citing the movie... and the post about the WSJ journal suggesting salon was in financial difficulty and seeking buyers.... which led to a lot of FUD [fear/uncertainty/dread]....
I was a newbie that got some EP's early on, and boy did I catch hell. I was labeled a grammatically incorrect idiot who thought she was funny. Well, some actually DID think I was funny so I felt it was worth it. I actually got into some grammar-wars in which I proved I could master the English language and then they backed off.

Scary thing is, I remember most of what you wrote about in this post, I guess that means I'm a neurotic shut in too. That's okay. I. Don't. Care. I lik me and I like OS.
LOVED this, Mumbletypeg! You've provided a sense of history. I was one of the, hm, maybe third wave? I remember wondering for months, while reading Glenn Greenwald at Salon, "What the heck is this Open Salon they keep pushing?" and brushing the pop-ups away. When I finally checked it out, I started reading what seemed to my starry eyes the best writing on the Internet.

You know, the writers come and go (and some stay), but I still find that, interspersed with the spam blogs and the link farms, and the occasional trolls, OS continues to be home to so many incredibly gifted writers and artists.

Remember Critical Mess? You and Mrs. Michaels told him about me, and before I knew it, I had some readers! What a heady time that was!

(howling)♫♪ TOUCH ME! ♪♫ IT'S SO EASY TO LEAVE ME! ♪ALL ALONE WITH THE MEMORY♫ OF MY DAYS IN THE SUN! ♫
These are the good old days..............
(howling) ♪RATE YOU!♫ I FORGOT NOW TO RATE YOU!♫♪ALL ALONE ON YOUR PORCH STEP♫♪IN THE COLD OF THE NORTH!♪♫
Oh, and one word--FREAKY.
After being published many, many years ago, I thought to get back into writing- about what I know, surfing, and came to OS to do that and did just that. Then, our Black Hawaiian Fearless Leader was elected, who I also know much about and can write with authority on, and, instead of writing on the surfing I know, which was giving me a good feeling, I have instead defended our outstanding leader against the cumulative attack of haters, and yes, straight up racists, which has recently culminated in Trump's joining of the Birther Brigade, not ironically right after he began marketing his new mega-property, a hundreds of millions of dollars investment right here in Honolulu.

Anyone who worries about what others think ain't got what it takes to write seriously- who gives a flying f&%k? Write about what you know ... I stick to surfing and the Prez ... and you can stand proud, regardless.

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"...the days when OS was the Algonquin Round Table..."

LOL!

This place was nothin' before I got here, and it'll be nothin' after I leave! (I'm being very facetious, in case anyone asks)
I don't know any of these folks except Amy so I guess I am finally young at something...I think I came in right after some meet up somewhere and folks were pissed about something that did happen or didn't happen I was never really sure :)
As I read again you got five more ratings! Damn you!!!
Love this. I still see Jocelyn Testes-Harder around campus from time to time.
You are right! Compared to what you recall, these "dust-ups" seem to be nothing in comparison to your olden days of 3 years ago. These blogs have been great for shedding light on how OS works. I find it funny that I have been asking the same questions that people who have been here forever are asking.
rated~
Thanks for the background; very interesting and amusing too.
I would say there were dust-ups, and then there were shit-storms. Also, we used to have more pirates. And sex. I think we still have dust-ups, but I haven't seen a shit-storm lately. Nor hide nor hair of a pirate, and no one seems to be having sex. I was always late to the party, too, but I liked to read about them. My coming and going from OS had less to do with OS and more to do with the pace and focus of my own life. I did, however, once flounce, albeit temporarily, taking a break because OS was eating my life. I borrowed a dress from xenonlit, with rows and rows of flounces, made of paper and duct tape. I believe that dress was used in one or two other flounces. My candidate for best writer has always been Roy Jimenez, who doesn't seem to be around much anymore, but doesn't seem to be actually gone.
I got here in March of 09, right in the middle of a big flame war and have been ducking ever since. I just write my silly little blog and am happy whenever someone stops by and reads. I guess that's really all any of us can do on a site such as this. I did enjoy this stroll down memory lane though.
Nice post MP...

What about the late night Mop?
Excellent job of de-bunking the myth of OS's former halcyon days. I've been here going on three years now, and the whole time there have been people wringing their hands about how it's just not like it used to be.

"The flame wars February/March 09… now those were flame wars. You could have roasted marshmallows at your monitor, except you wouldn’t want to because of all the leglifting."

I remember those, was front and center in some of them. Good times!

Wait, is it OK for me to say flame wars were good times? It's not PC to say that I'm guessing. They were good times though, not least of all because no one used the weenie term "dust-up" yet.
OK, not going on three years now I think about it. It'll be three years in October. Time flies when you're having fun.
I never thought OS was the Algonquin Round Table when I joined 2 years, 3 months and 21 days ago. The thought never even crossed my mind. My thoughts were much more prosaic such as, "Gee, what a nice welcoming place this is" or "There are so many good writers here I will have to work very hard to even show, much less place or win" or "I'm excited to be in the midst of so many cool, talented people." There were always blowhards and the "differently stable" who inflicted their neuroses and mental illnesses on the rest of us, the con artists (some still among us), the perpetually offended, the pathetic, the functionally illiterate and the just plain exhibitionistic.

There were also researchers, artists, novelists, journalists, comic writers and flat-out bloggers like Stellaa and others who wrote provocative posts that never failed to make me think. It is only my opinion, but there seemed to be more spark, more wit and more ideas floating around. There wasn't an insistence on fake "nice" and victimhood wasn't a required calling card.

I could say a whole lot more, but what's the point? All I know is that I miss far too many people who are gone now, some of whom became personal friends, and the knowledge that some of them left even though they didn't want to grates on me. And yet there are many here who are gloating that people who helped make this place were practically forced out. After all, anybody who didn't arrive exactly when they did isn't welcome any more. How does it feel to be so threatened that you can't even acknowledge those who came before you? I can't imagine.
@rita: which "pirate drinking parties " were those?
@nanatehay: I'll join you in your sentiment. It was possible to disagree with most people then and not have them take it so personally that you became and enemy for life.

Wait, is it OK for me to say flame wars were good times? It's not PC to say that I'm guessing. They were good times though, not least of all because no one used the weenie term "dust-up" yet.
@emma:
How does it feel to be so threatened
that you can't even acknowledge
those who came before you? I can't imagine.

The plight of the non-writers among us.
Our kids.
Our comrades.

We writers have a sense of the past. OS is a real thing,
in the real world, flourishing...
It looks like
all responsibility for the smooth working of the universe
falls upon us.

Hold the past tight to your heart,
but also to your kidneys.
A Financial Perspective:

From July 2008 to November 2008, Salon Stock went from 1.98 a share to .25 a share. It hasn't been above .80 since.

It closed last Monday at .50
Mumbletypeg, I really enjoyed this. I've only been posting for a year and a bit so my knowledge of the Good Ole Days is at best second-hand. I've missed writers who have either taken a hike (e,g, Stellaa) or are AWOL (cartouche/O'Really). A few others too but I'm momentarily addled.

There are a few really great points about OS that merit repeating.

It attracts plenty of good and interesting writers/bloggers (no wish to enter that debate).

It's design is near perfect. The day's posts at your convenience. Just look at Most Recent.

Someone takes on the thankless EP job. Most picks are worth reading and you wind up reading and enjoying stuff you'd never have found if left to your own devices.

Don't think the EPs truly recognize merit? There is a remedy. You can "favorite" bloggers. Then you can go to most recent, set the dial to favorites, and see everyone you wanted to.

There a Recent Comments list down the left side. If some you like has commented on something, you can take a peek too. If an unnoticed title catches your eye, click.

Down the right side you see what's been popular for the last few hours, plus, in times recently past, David Price.

OS is new enough that it's premature to say what's the normal trend. It's in the nature of blogging that hardly anyone keeps at it forever. So in the normal course of events bloggers will come and go. We miss some who have gone and they are a real loss. But surprisingly enough, new and gifted writers stumble on this place and wow, more bounty!

I haven't the perspective for the longer view like you Mumble, but if there's another site that's the jumble of the political, personal, anecdote, aesthetic, memoir, fiction as this, please point me the way.

Of course it's by no means Eden. Spam is an atrocious problem and it's worrisome that its control relies so heavily on volunteers. The dust-ups of course have all the fascination of car wrecks and not much more social value. But what site doesn't have them? I've seen comments in other places and the Internet is over-represented by nasty, negative sorts. I think OS gets off somewhat lightly.

Oops, I think this comment has gone on too long. Thanks for the post.
$0.50? It's time to short sell it. Because you know what, Leapin'? It just ain't as good as it used to be.
Pft indeed! I agree that OS is not the virtual Algonquin Bar that it could be, that's why I built one, I mean God bless the child who has his own.
Oh hell, I think I'll just stand pat there.
(R)ated!
Mumbletypeg.
Thunks for clearing up so many questions that was too AFRAID to dare ever ask.
I was banned from Salon. Then I was two Gold Star card carrying - as alias`

bebop-o
&
GoodCelery!

One membership was home & one was if I was at the (my son) farm. I came to Open Salon thinking it was a open-saloon swinging screen back door entrance.

I was Arthur James.
No image. Snoopy?
Daily - My screen went totally blue, the mouse would hop up & down. I 'd get deleted.
The old Arthur James got HACKED bah. It was around the time Dr. Amy would be personally THANKS Amy for coming back (Nestle's baby carnation baby feeder ETC., I'd get deleted @ QUACK Amy's almost every time I commented. One comment remained ref., I teach toddlers how to FLUSH commode handles with their left foot for Homeland Security Reasons. I saved the post Dr. Amy deleted. She alleged that I was profiting off of organic greens, blueberries, and elderberries.
I'd say baloney.
My earnings?
Pure Food.
Any money went back into the earth as in green (manures) clovers, and tilth crops.
What bah faker!
I miss the names you brought up. I recall some culinary chef would display a photo.
It was a China plate of a chocolate dessert. The 'treat' looked like Dirty Snoopy's dung.
There were avatars with FBI's logo/design with hemp/tilth 5-leaf plants. I wondered?
Whoever manages the Open Salon 'joint' must have escaped from West Virginia's hole!
Weston's Mental Hole!
What a likable kooky?
Sooner or later the world may reason that we creatures are committed to Loon Farm?
Maybe it can be perceived as a cowards way of proverbial slow suicide? Poison the Nest.
Pollute Water and Earth.
Airs Radiated Smog Fog.
WE profess No Virtues.
We invite pending war.
Woe Civil Wars strife.
Revenge, and condone`
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The Cosmic Eulogy...
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Thanks for making sense.
I was in Newburg, PA yesterday. I took photos-immages of two baby lambs with Mom's after-birth.
I took photos of a Red Bridge.
Amish do their kissing there.
I was alone so I pretended.
I kiss my thumb and finger.
You can make the lip-look.
Nibble your lowers thumb.
Try kissing lips very silently.
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Garden Path Farm is wonderful.
The Father has a hooked hand.
He lost his right hand. Captain.
I call him Captain Amish Hook.
But - He's not a politico hooker.
His three sons are farm workers.
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The Amish hire a cab hack driver.
They even have a Farm web page.
They don't read it. It's managed.
It's a goofy world. I love it tho.
A world is okay. Ay wacky folk.
We are all interconnected too.
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apology for rambling? therapy?
Maybe this causes readers ills.
I did enjoy 'Mom's Homestyle.
CHOW CHOW.
Prepared by The Smoker Family.
22 Lesher Rd - Newburg Pa 17240
carrots, onions, beans, vinegar-
I had ice cream. No mix sardines.
Earlier in the day I had smoked Bela.
Bela is lightly smoked sardines in oil.
It's extra virgin live oil with some lemon.

burp
insomnia
I forgot
why here?
Frank - I would encourage you in those thoughts except that I am still holding out hope for a 2012 apocalypse which will take care of the whole blogging thing.

marytkelly - I managed to go a whole two months without OS during my recent spam snit, and I survived, but it's way too easy to stick around. I expect someday in the not-too-distant future we will be evicted, and then I will be sorry I didn't take notes. It's a fascinating place. I'm glad you enjoyed this.

buffyw - thank you. You could think of the flame wars as necessary forest fires, except - oh dear, now I'm thinking of scampering mice and bunnies. Forget that.
OEsheepdog - it is interesting that waxing can provide more traction (skis) or less (doors). I don't know what my point is here.

Just Thinking - tee hee. A departed OSer asked me if drunk blogging really was a thing of the past, and I said it probably wasn't, but it wasn't quite as obvious anymore. I could probably find them, but you don't need no stinkin' topics lists.

Scarlet Sumac - I have spent many a dog walk pondering the latest OS mysteries that popped up overnight. Fresh air does help.
foolish monkey - but I still live in a garret and... oh, art. Never mind. I am suddenly seeing OS as an 80s-movie montage, except - less weight-lifting. As for having my nose rubbed in others' dust, I have plenty of my own. I would kiss you back, but I'm a Vermonter.

Rita - ooh, you came in on Vegas. Well, you don't see people going to Vegas anymore now, do you?

divorcedpauline - I didn't mean to make you feel bad.
Lea - I think you're right about it being less intense, which I view as both good and bad. I am deeply indebted to OS for the people I have met here, and as much as I may make fun of it, I'm also grateful it exists.

vzn - yes, diluted is a very good word for it. And not in the sense of watered down, just less intense, as Lea said. You are right - the role of the kings and queens has become much less influential. I'd also agree that the average quality of writing on the cover has gone up, but I wouldn't want to try to prove it. Doing a history of OS would be fun until the subjects came after you with pitchforks. If only I had a dollar for every blog that started here after that movie!

Zinnia - I know I know who you are, but I can't remember your original name. I do remember what you're talking about. Neurotic shut-ins are such a pain! Especially when they try to be funny.
OS - get thee to a nunnery
Snippy - I read OS for several months before getting up the courage to post. You could read the whole thing if you were determined back then. I didn't, but I read a lot of it. Freaky still had pocketbook lint in her hair. Critical Mess! Yes, the first person to try to outwit the feed, and the first to recognize the impossibilities. But he/she left his work up, unlike (ahem) certain others. Where is Mrs. Michaels and her goaticorns??? Never leave, Snippy, although I'm still mad at you for deleting "I Had a Farm."

Oahusurfer - Trump has become a birther? This is what I get for only watching The Apprentice instead of the news. I'm not sure if you are telling me to keep writing meta or not, but I'm sure I will, as I know nothing about surfing.

Jeannette - that's the spirit! It would also be a great epitaph.
Lunchlady 2 - applying my special carbon-dating process to your comment reveals you arrived either in July or November 09! Ot it might have been some other time. It's hard to tell. I would need more details. Anyway, you didn't miss anything except more time with Dr. Amy.

Trig - that's what you get for promoting me. Be more oblique next time.

Kathy - thank you. Really? Not in a serial-murderer sort of way, I hope.
Susie - it's true things were a bit more fiery in days of yore, but the same kinds of fights occur over and over. We're chimps. It's part of our heritage.

Margaret - thank you, and you could do without living through it.

Sirenita - "dust-up" is too scuffly a term for when people sound mad enough to poke your eye out. But I like your distinction, even if I'm not sure how your classifications work. Zuma's flounce dress was spectacular.
Torman - nobody ever wrote posts telling newbies to duck back then, but they should have. Thank you.

Leepin' Larry - Thank you, but you better not be losing your edge. I saw that mop in the middle of the day just recently.

Padraig - aha. I remembered Mean Guys, but no specifics. Now I do. Yep, those were the days. As such. I've always marveled how broad a definition the word "attack" has always had here. Looking at someone cross-eyed is like declaring war. CCC's laments - yes. The rot set in a long time ago, didn't it?! Thank you.
Nana - I LOVE FLAME WARS!!! So within the realms of Dogpatch, it would not be PC to pretend otherwise, not that I won't allow it. They were good times, weren't they? I mean, if you like that sort of thing.

Emma - am I being chided? I can't tell. See, in the olden days, you would have snapped a glove in my face and I would have had the precedents to run around shrieking "Emma hit me! She's Evil!" But now we're all circumspect, mostly. Fake "nice" was being established as you arrived, and victimhood at nearly the same time. You don't remember this from the early flame wars? I always admired your gumption, but sometimes these days I think there's more gum in it that you absolutely need.

James - kidneys - ha! Good advice.
Leepin Larry - !!!

Abrawang - I'm glad you liked it. The spam here has become the thing that spoils the place. I can live with everything else, but when the spam is the giant golden retriever tail wagging the tiny chihuahua of real posts, and unpaid volunteers are the only means of getting the chihuahua oxygen, it's ridiculous to the point of obscenity. If I stomp off, it will be because of that, I expect.

Brassawe - it never was!
Fred - OS might be the Algonquin bar, but you're wise to build one of your own anyway.

Arthur James - you were banned from Salon? I am astounded. Well, if that's how you ended up coming in the saloon door here, I'm grateful. Management from the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum? Heh. The abandoned one. That fits. Shouldn't chow chow have cabbage in it? Now I want some sardines. Thank you for the poem. I don't remember why I'm here, either. Probably doesn't matter.
Thanks fro taking me down memory lane and for bursting me ego. I got a cover early on and didn't realize they did it for newbies!

I was MIA for about a year, so don't know what the flame wars were, or the dust-ups. What was that all about?

I come back once in awhile to read and comment, but haven't written much lately. When I came back, I was disappointed to see some of my favorites were gone, in particular T Bucket. Anyone know what's happened to him?
I now realize I joined at the same time as nanatehay - which makes me laugh and cry all at the same time.
I remember reading JTH as a newcomer and getting my feminist ire up - it took about a day to realize it was hilarious parody. It was great how she managed to maintain that persona, even in her comments.
I miss so many writers that I "met" here - but I'm also getting annoyed when people write about missing someone who has left for approx. five minutes.
I've tried, I hope, to be welcoming over the years. I try to discover new writers and encourage them.
I suppose the biggest thing, for me, is announcing that my mother was dying - I thought I would get 14 comments. I think it ended up at 176 comments, including my friend CK Dexter actually announcing that she had died. I wrote about it, off and on, for many months - to the point were a few people said "shut up about your mother!" - but it was incredibly important to do it, and OS sustained me in many ways during a really difficult time.
That was over a year ago, and I also joined some pirate parties, participated in some dusty uppies, wrote some poetry and prose, met a few nice people...I'll be the last person to leave, if we are ever forced to leave. I pride myself on sticking around.
And, to anyone who might wonder: the whole point of drunk posts and pirate parties is that it's completely hilarious and all you have to do is write a comment. Including "What the fuck is going on here?", which will get you 10 witty replies in about five seconds.
Of course, it's important to know that pirate parties are drawn along strict gender lines - ask Cyril the Gnome. I'm surprised he's been released from the brig.

Thanks Mumbletypeg - and I have a question for YOU: how did you come up with your screen name? It never fails to delight me and at the same time enrage me because it is ridiculously hard to type.
neilpaul - I have to admit I don't know who you mean, but I'm going to assume it's one of the lecturers.

Elijah Rising - that would be tough on the nuns.

Bonnie - thanks. Now try to behave. We still have those gibbets.
mtp--Generally when I see her I offer her a piece of gum. She prefers to get her own from underneath park benches. It's all good.
Proud and Progressive - oh god I'm sorry! But Thomas was diabolical. It's better to know. T-bucket - I have not seen him around in ages, unfortunately. Flame wars - it would take a year to describe. It was about everything and nothing. Consider yourself lucky.

aim - heh - it's "missing" the way your dog misses you when you leave the room, maybe. I mean - the dog really does feel it. I'm still dubious about the hilarity of those parties. You probably had to be there. And drunk. Re Mumbletypeg - all the other names starting with M that I could think of were already taken. Plus it had an interesting aspect (in the game, the loser must remove the peg from the dirt with his/her teeth) and a good short form (mumble). Feel free to abbreviate or misspell.
Mumbletypeg, I enjoyed this,a nd the comments are for the most part, kind and witty. Isn't it funny to talks about 3 (?) short years ago being the "Good Ol' Days"!

This forum lead me out of a dark place and into a new area of light and creativity. It literally saved me, in spirit, mind, and possibly in body. I had lost two of my heroes, My Brother and my Dad. Creativity, the kind this forum encouraged, brought me out of that terrible darkness. Some of our dear friends on OS encouraged my efforts, expressed kindness and compassion, and offered advice in ways I had never experienced before. I think of them with great affections often.

The editors supported my best efforts, and sometimes did not support my other efforts, but I used this as a reasoned encouragement to become better at this new craft. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

My good friend Steve Arney (a former journalist for the Bloomington Pantagraph) did an exchange writing project with me via email around the time I discovered OS. Steve's patience and creativity inspired me, and as I began to experiment with OS, Steve joined and made cover several times. Now we do stories and cartooning together...a collaboration that I would never have even considered were it not for the support of OS and it's wonderful writers.

When I posted a piece on the loss of my brother, "Giving it Up" several years ago, my OS friend Matt Brandstein was the first to respond. Matt is a writer, humorist and humanist of the forst order, and I will never forget his comment:


"Vladimir Nabokov described great work as 'a shiver between the shoulder blades.' I humbly rely on his eloquence to express my sentiment for this post."

Matt Brandstein
SEPTEMBER 11, 2008 10:01 PM

No one had ever responded to my efforts in this way before, and Matt is a professional!

Since that time, many writers have encouraged my scribblings, and I am grateful. All of this...the positive interactions that grow from creativity, has made this forum Golden...
No, I'm not chiding you Mumbletypeg. I'm just so sad and angry about the recent shit that's gone down that I know I must leave soon too. Trust me though, I will not go quietly, not after what's been done to some of the best people here.
So wonderful to see so many Old Timers return to the trough. I've got a couple years in . . . it was a big boost for a long time, though lately not so much. Thanks, Mumbles--well remembered and well writ.
Mumblety, in reference to Neil's reference to Madame Bitch (which was not her first OS screen name, she changed it to that to fit how others viewed her) she still has her blog up, but hasn't done anything since 2008. http://open.salon.com/blog/madame_bitch

I like that she has her blog still intact, unlike the common practice now to have the editors eliminate the blog when one chooses to leave--which one cannot do for oneself since blog removal can only be done by the editors. I don't like it because an eliminated blog also removes all the comments that person made, and often times they are wonderful lovely comments, that now make the comment stream disjointed and out of context.

Ah well.
@bbd: I agree with you about the comments. And the fact is that many people who are being ousted were among the most prolific and best commenters who actually dared to step out of the mutual admiration society and welcome others. OS is nearly finished as a quality site now.
Emma, I understand how you feel. You've been the victim of some pretty stupid vindictive crap for some time, and if you go I will be one of many that will be sorry about that. It's one reason why I'm determined to stay and keep doing what I'm doing. Granted, what I do is not controversial so I'm less a target than others. I take great care in each of my posts to provide something of value or beauty, sometimes I even succeed in doing both at once. And Emma, you still have a lot to give--I hope you reconsider.

I made my comment just above because I was looking in an older post of mine and saw that I thanked Stellaa for a wonderful comment and analysis, and her comment is no longer there...it greatly saddened me.
Gary - I daresay you've reaped benefits from OS in proportion to what you put in, like in gardening. This is something I tend to forget. I'll rotate the crops, but I get slack when it comes to composting. A good reminder. I'm glad it has worked out so well for you.

Emma - I would certainly hope you wouldn't go quietly, but remember apoplexy is hard on the system. I say that as someone who is prone to apoplexy herself. I think Ethan Allen died of it.

Hells Bells - TROUGH?!? No, heh - I'm fine with that. Thank you.

bbd - oh, that Madame Bitch. Now I remember. I may be wrong, but it seems like the blog deletions started with WSFTC, which is ironic given how fondly she is remembered. It does seem a little churlish, but I don't know the specifics, and they may have good reasons to wipe out all trace of themselves. But I agree that it's too bad.
Well, I just LOVE this. I'm not reading comments until after I comment, so here goes.

I hope you know I wasn't saying it was better. I said it was a little magical to me back then, and it was, but then again it was something new - new for all of us really. It was something that was a first of it's kind, and now the site and the membership and the talent have grown exponentially. I love that. I've grown with it and I don't wish back any of the things you mentioned, but appreciate the memories of that time.

I also believe that with time and an injection of a certain bit of maturity, the site has attracted some amount of brilliance - I'm not singling out anyone b/c that's just a game you will never win as someone always gets left off the list. Bell is a good friend, and there's nothing she's ever put up that wasn't worth pounding on the rater-ater for in an effort to, just once, get in more than one thumbs up vote. She's fantastical in my book, and so are many others - many more than in the beta days.

You hit the high points of two+ years back and it was a pleasure to read this, M. Institutional memory is important. I hated to see people like WSFTC walk out with the wallpaper, taking the very detailed hx of the joint with her in taking down her posts. Cartouche did the same thing once upon a time, and I thought that was sad, but people need to take it out on someone sometimes. I get it.

I also hope readers of my post from the other day don;t mistake my words for chastisement, wishful thinking, or being judge-wudgy - it's simply not so. I put in my 2¢ to say if you want to leave, just go and shut up about it. No need to piss all over the place on the way out. Grab some dignity, and wave goodbye. It's not the end of anyone's world. I'll miss you, and maybe meet you again in your 'next life' here, godspeed to you - b'bye.

Ok, I've delayed the fun long enough. I'm off to read all your comments here. Great post. No, really!!
Gabby Abby - I didn't think you were being judgy-wudgy (and I'm seizing that term and not giving it back), and, as I told you, this wasn't an answer to your post. I do get the idea that it felt kind of magical to stumble upon this place in the days before spam. It may still. Emma has been installing tombstones for a while now, and for Emma, I guess it's dead. For the rest of us, it's somewhere in between, and always has been, and will be for the foreseeable future, until Big Salon or the Big EMP silences us all.
I still miss the old days, when I had a job, and a memory, now, well, I forget what I ate 3 minutes ago.....

Good times, 2 and a half minutes ago!! Who are you people and what are you doing in my bathroom!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

~wanders off~

:D
Thanks for the mention, Mumbletypeg

I was asked to cross-post my blog to OS by an editor. I always linked back to my main blog because my goal was to have more readers and traffic. There was no pay, but I was flattered to be asked. The OS editor or editors at the time liked my posts. I was on the front page a lot and received lots of editors picks. There were lots of nice comments from OS members and all kinds of criticism and a few insults that were way out of line. Some people were too biased on whatever subject I was satirizing to get any enjoyment out of it. I seldom wrote with the OS audience in mind.

The community as I remember it was made up of interesting humorists, politics nerds, small published authors, housewives, and a large number of really nice older people who were just getting online for the first time. Most wanted to be part of a small website community and had very little ambition beyond the front page of this small site. Everyone read each others stuff and there was almost no outside interest for the OS content. People were very supportive of each other for the most part. That may still be the case, I don't know.

I stopped cross-posting when people seemed to lose interest in my stuff. Anyone who misses my stuff can find me on twitter @filthyrichmond or on my .com blog which I still post to occasionally.
Ha! and you got JTH to peek out - double ratings for you!
Tink - it's good to forget what you ate three minutes ago, because then you can have more, until you realize you ate it all.

JHT - so you really were a ringer! But no money. Too bad. It was a better story with money. The X was a nice touch.
This is fascinating history. As with any place, it's hard to imagine a time before you got there. You catch glimpses, but they're like unicorns and Glenn Beck's soul -- highly dubious, bathed in glittery myth. Your assessment is far more astute. Then I got to your last sentence and blanched...then blushed. I'm so puffed up right now, like marshmallow in a microwave puffed up. So puffed up I'm refusing to make dinner. Or do laundry. I might just sit here and read that last sentence over and over again....I don't think I'll ever read anything else that makes me feel like that! It ain't true (you're suffering from frostbite and drunk on dog pee fumes), but I do thank you for the compliment nonetheless.

(I hope you get some heat before you don't need it and that your pup feels better soon.)
@mumbletypeg: Installing tombstones? Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean that I've erected a tombstone to the death of OS because so many of its best thinkers and writers have left or been forced out, then yes, that is true. One blogger on a well-read post wrote today that OS is not a writing site. It is a site for sharing experiences. That alone is a another huge death knell. It seems that writing well about experiences is not even considered as an option. Mediocrity triumphs. I guess that is what the "in between" you wrote of feels most comfortable with, because I can't see any other rational explanation.

@Gabby Abby: you and your friend KitD, aka "Gratutious Nudity," (sic) are the queens of passive aggression as in never admit to anything, judge everyone while pretending not to, and never, ever take a stand or put your neck on the line unless you've got the mob behind you. You can have "your" nasty little OS on a platter. I'll leave this place -- or not -- any way I damn please and your opinion of me matters not a whit.
Bellwether - after six months of mopping, I can hold my dog pee fumes just fine, thank you! Get used to being idolized, and send me some autographs I can sell on eBay when you're famous.

Emma - death knells! That's what I meant. I'm sure it seems that way to you, but you paint with a very broad brush, and you apply too many coats. You can't expect everyone to appreciate that level of scorn in such quantity. I'm intrigued, though - Gratuitous Nudity - Umbrellakinesis or Kitd? Which one? Reasoning?
It wasn't long ago that I started on OS. Guess that makes me a "new newbie" :) - anyways, even I have an 'opinion' (ahem!) - my HO is that earlier, it was more often, as it is now on YOUR post But I don't agree the Covers are 'better' these days.

Are Blogs are writer's sites per se? Blogs are just Blogs. Web-logs of people that have a computer, access to the internet, and do not mind thinking aloud. Hundreds of thousands of books get published year after year - can you really call all of the 'published' people 'writers'? Lots of people draw as in they doodle. Are they all 'artists'?
I remember digging in to this place a year and a half ago, even participating in the dust-ups for awhile until I got through my thick head the pointlessness of all that. For me, it is a refuge, a kind audience, and I am thankful for those who I have connected with and stuck it out with. I try to read them once a week and post occasionally, when time allows. I even said goodbye to a dear friend...nothing I thought would happen when I came here.
Emma, Emma, Emma ::shaking head:: oh, Emma.

All I know about Kit D. is that she plays the flute. I have a recollection that you two had a tiff over some silliness that went on back when. Similar to your grudge match with Bonnie, it took over your on line life here for quite some time and I spoke with you privately about letting it go as I felt then, like now, that all the chicken racing, name calling, pot stirring, and etc. that you were doing was unbecoming and gives an impression that you may be a bit unbalanced. I didn't want that for you. Not then and not now. You and I had a friendly exchange and that was that.

I have absolutely NO idea who Gratuitous Nudity is, but am happy to welcome a past participant back to OS.
Now it seems you've taken some flight of fancy and identified this person as '[my] friend Kit D', and have taken my welcome to this member as a personal affront to you and your buddies here. I'm baffled, but that's not unusual for me.

I don't know what to say to you Emma, other than I have always wished you well and feel badly that you are experiencing such a violent and unsettling reaction to the latest flouncing departures. History is repeating here, and it's disturbing to watch.

I'm not going to pee on Mum's porch, so this will be my only comment in response to yours here. I bear you no ill will whatsoever, and am deeply sorry for your distress.
That's alotta comments!!! I'm feeling quite old since I can remember most of the dust-ups, although I always learned about them several days after the fact and never quite knew what all the fuss was about. Your post prodded me into checking when I first posted: Feb. of 2009 - so I missed my 2 year anniversary. The BEST thing about this post is that I learned about Dr. Arnie - how did I miss that back in the day?!!! I spend more time commenting than posting these days...maybe I'll have to do something about that.
@Gabby Abby: I am not the slightest bit "distressed" as you put it. I suggest you keep your five-cent psychoanalysis to yourself in future. FYI, I have never had a "grudge match" with Bonnie. Don't know what you are talking about there.
Nabina - you are very brave to be suggesting "published" people might not be "writers." I'd duck if I were you.

Sparking - it does seem best, or at least calmer, not to get too involved here.

bluesurly - I should just stick to meta, shouldn't I? If you arrived in Feb. 09, there were plenty of distractions to make you miss Dr. Arnie. One whole flame war went right over my head when I was a hatchling. I only remember it now because the embers were fanned recently.

Gabby Abby - I'm perfectly fine with peeing in the mudroom. Or the dining room. Or anywhere else. It happens all the time these days.
Whatever happened to that crazy lady who lived with all the dogs and was always being evicted from her apartment?????

And why don't you have heat yet??? Do you have space heaters or something????