Yay, me.
Yeah, I should probably ignore this because it will go nowhere good, but I can't resist pointing out that LK Walker, OS author of stunning paeans to her connections with nature and death, protests my anti-social plotting not on OS, but on her own little site, safe away from comment and debate in the OS world. Although, to be fair, she did tell me to shut up on my post, for which I commend her. Baby steps. Not convincing ones, but still. I'm not providing a link to the following quote, but if you really want to read it, it's easy enough to find.
Ms. Walker, debating ideas with honor, respect and integrity requires that those ideas have some basis in honor, respect, and integrity. I think your version of those things is so twisted, “debate” would be ridiculous. How do you debate someone who thinks she's a god, redressing the wrongs of nature by snuffing out life on her own whim, to assuage her various griefs? Gods don't debate, do they? You certainly don't, but here's another chance. Go for it.
“We have lost to the anonymity of the internet, our basic decency. No more are we a society which debates ideas with honor, respect and integrity. We are a culture spitting at each other from behind closed doors. We have lost our ability to disagree kindly. And with that, our capacity to expand our understanding beyond the limited scope of our own experiences. It is easy to hate someone who is so different from yourself. And easier still to abuse them from the distance and hiding inherent on the internet. Our public discourse has suffered greatly. And with that, our own private lives. The enriched view we get from adopting another perspective. It is time to become wary of our own dogmatic opinions.
I am reminded of a bumper sticker I saw years ago, in Seattle.
“If you can’t change your mind, are you sure you still have one.”
It starts out small, with a few angry words thrown at some random article posted online. And it escalates to the complete breakdown of society. On the edge of which, we are already teetering.”
LK Walker 26 September 2011
Random article? Not exactly. But please, do go ahead and start the debate. God forbid society breaks down over an OS flame war.
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" We are a culture spitting at each other from behind closed doors. "
Phuck that, suppose to open the door otherwise, the spit will just be running down your closed door and not the face of some random person!!
Jesus Christ what are they teaching in schools these days??
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On the other hand, I never said a prayer to a chicken's spirit before or after I wrung its neck, so there's that.
It wasn't the bankers, it was Mumbletypeg.
Does it occur to Ms. Walker that she might need a little attitude adjustment herself in order to reflect on what might be the issue others have with her trapping style? One that makes her feel alive to kill rather than trapping only what is needed to eat, which is actually the native way?...not cooing in perfectly formed recently-dead-by-the-power-tripper-trapper ears then lets go kill more because I feel powerful now!
That's just demented.
I could care less whether folks eat meat, whirlwind, that wasn't the issue as I see it, I don't think that's the issue Mumbletypeg had either.
I hate when they take their posts down, & then get all defensive about something no-one can read anymore. It doesn't make sense.
I think I've had enough of her now.
On the subject of saving posts, or individual comments, I don't see anything wrong with it, and in fact it proved useful to me recently when I lost a post & someone contacted me to say they'd saved it ( phew & fruitcake ! ) ~ I bring it up here because I was questioned about something I'd saved myself, thinking : ok, it's in the public domain, that's legit ; but the author of that post expressed fear about what I'd do with the comment, so I deleted the file.
Not before I shared it with someone who asked, & even though I trust that person, I feel a bit conflicted ...
There's etiquette & form evolving, & it's easy to offend, on the internet.
Still, if I had anything LK Walker wrote on file I'd defenestrate it pronto, as nanatehay might say. Apart from anything else, it stinks.
You are right. I should defenestrate LKWalker's writings pronto, and I would, except that she is a neighbor in the way that almost no one else is on OS. Bill S. has left, and the only other messages from Vermont are few and from the south. LKWalker, on the other hand, is over the river and through the woods, and I feel a deep need to keep - uh - track of her. Not stalking her, mind you, as I don't want to get anywhere near her, but I refuse to let her publish her crap without a return. This goes beyond "disagreement" and I truly hope never to cross her path. But I'm not about to let it disappear into the internet ether when she decides maybe it wasn't such a good idea to post. I appreciate your comment about the stink.
I viewed the vituperative responses as a signal that I had failed in my writing. But knowing myself as I do, I know I succeeded in my understanding of what I needed to understand.
And because life is so short, I choose not to engage in pointless, cruel, and self-congratulatory debate between people who are fundamentalists with their ideas.
And @Mumbletypeg - you have way too much time on your hands.