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OCTOBER 23, 2009 4:19PM

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful (large text)

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Earlier today, OSer Mark Pritchard posted “Question for beautiful women”. (read here) I clicked on it because I was curious. Sometimes a provocative title draws readers but the actual post is about something unrelated. I moved to his post, read it and wondered about answering: Does it mean I think I’m beautiful if I answer?  I think his questions are fair. But my answers are complicated.

 

My first comment on his post:  Sitting at a cafe in Korea, a handsome man who appeared Arabian in heritage approached. He stood in front of me and said, "I only want to tell you something, not to trouble you. You are one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in the world. I hope your life is as beautiful as you."

 

I was struck speechless. He nodded ever-so-slightly and left. To this day (20 years later), I treasure the gift this man gave me that day. If he had stuck around, I probably would've discounted his words. But his leaving allowed me to take in something I otherwise found difficult.

 

Later, I even dared to believe him.

 

I checked back later to see the comments of others.  Some comments were about internal beauty, stating comments about their looks didn’t really matter if it came from someone who didn’t know them.  And I thought, oh no, I look like a bimbo with my comment!  Now OSers are going to think I am stuck on my looks!  

 

I wrote a second comment: And, yes, now I feel totally self-conscious. I am about self-growth and development, who I am inside and letting others know me in all my flawed and wonderful ways. And accepting that I can like my looks, accept them, has been a part of that journey. Oh shit, now I am writing a post on this.

 

I hid behind my looks growing up. I knew I was considered pretty, gorgeous, or whatever term was in vogue at the time. It didn’t matter. It didn’t help ease my awkwardness or give me any advantages in the self-esteem arena. I was shy, avoided social situations where I didn’t have a ‘role’, found it hard to make small talk.  And, if you are outwardly pretty, and you don’t talk, people make assumptions about you based on your looks. Because if you are pretty but don’t talk, people infer that you are stuck up, aloof, thinks she’s too good for us.

 

Sometimes I wished I could disappear. My looks weren’t ME. Try telling that to a culture accustomed to objectifying women. Take a shy 17 year old, give her big boobs and blue eyes and have her streak her long hair because it is the 70’s and have her wear lip gloss because her mom said to and you have a disaster in the making. An internal disaster. If I had had any internal compass I might have been able to navigate the waters of attraction. I didn’t.  

 

I moved to Paris at 18 and felt frankly relieved that I could lose myself in a country of beautiful women. No matter what I looked like, I knew I did not possess the internal sense of beauty and security of these women. Every French woman seemed to carry with her beauty from birth. Not all of these women were actually ‘pretty’ but they had what I did not:  Each woman seemed to just KNOW she was beautiful and radiated this from within. There is a magnetism to those who feel good just being in the world.

 

Stopped on the street by a persuasive man, I agreed to be a day model for a couture house. It beat cleaning toilets for pay. I lasted one day. One day in which I was handled like a piece of meat, clad in a frouffy outfit, made up beyond my imagination and my own recognition. Pushed out onto the floor my job was to simply be the best clothes rack I could be. No one was interested in ME.  Mademoiselle, a motion for me to turn around, a flick of the wrist indicating they were done with me...

 

I am more beautiful today than I ever was in my youth.  I found my internal compass. I nurtured my esteem, built my confidence, learned how to relish my intelligence and my talents. Am I pretty? Some times I feel beautiful and then I see myself in the mirror and go, whoa, girl, those are some big bags you are sporting under those eyes! Or I notice my deepening wrinkles. My inside feelings of beauty don’t always match my outside. I’m okay with that. 

 

Here’s what I like best about me these days: I feel good about being in the world and that attracts people to me. That’s a great feeling.

 

 

 

 

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Great post--the older I get, the less I care about what others think about my looks. I always thought I was ugly as a kid--I wish I had known better. :-)
I second your last paragraph. I feel the same way, most of the time.
I didn't think you looked a bimbo at all with your comment.

Mark asked a straight forward question, and I think it's interesting to hear straight forward answers. It's been my experience that most women vastly underrate their physical beauty, for the very reason you state: it isn't matched to what they believe on the inside.

We also live in a very perverse culture that will celebrate you for being *simply* beautiful, until the day you believe it at which point they start shredding you. And we wonder why our girls struggle.

Self-confidence comes with loving yourself. And part of that is feeling beautiful, hopefully in a way that is unique to each woman. I just hope those of us who have gone before will remember, and bolster those still feeling lost.
Spotted--I think a lot of women wish they had known how cute they were back in the day... it's nice to be able to let go of that. (Mostly!)

Mamoore--thanks for coming by and letting me know I have company!

WSFTC--It took me many years to accept a compliment and/or to believe it. However, I knew I had done something right when my daughter, watching me put on make up, mused, I wonder how much time women would have if they didn't put on make up?
Since you have the looks, go with it and take it as far as they can, which seems to be rather far from what you describe.

I'm the typical guy. When I see a woman who appears to be under 35, I check out the looks. Doesn't matter to me if she is a Harvard grad when I'm checking out her outfit and her body, and that's what I see first.

What's also interesting to me is that you seem to have the great looks, yet feel they overshadow you. And you might be right. But there are literally millions of women who would trade their incredible personalities, sweetness, and abilities, to have your looks.

The grass is always greener on the other side. It just depends on what the grass is wearing.

As for me, the confidence a babe displays is also important. I have written previously about what I have learned about confidence and psychology because of my spying on babes with binoculars over the years in different cities.

I have seen some large and overweight babes who walk around in private half or fully naked with all the confidence in the world and some pride about themselves showing just as much as body parts. Yet, I have seen some thin babes that are clearly not comfortable with small boobs, or think that they are overweight when they look mighty fine coming out of the shower.

So enjoy what you were blessed with!
doloresflores_d--thank you!

IC--I appreciate a good looking man or woman as well. If I had had half my current level of confidence back then, I may well have taken over the world. The trouble with being blessed with good looks when you have little self-esteem is that my thinking was I didn't do anything to 'earn' them, just a genetic gift. But I do like that I can turn a head now and then AND then follow it up with being a great person.
Interesting post. I never thought much about it. When I was young I always had my share of boyfreinds, etc. even though I didn't consider myself beautiful. I knew I had a "good personality" and that got me through. Now that I'm (let's say) over 50...i still don't give it much thought. Guess because I never looked for "looks". It's the person inside that counts.
Outward beauty is temporary. Have you seen a picture of Elizabeth Taylor lately? Inner beauty has the potential to last a lifetime.

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A lot of people don't realize that even "gorgeous" or good-looking people are insecure about their own issues. For as many comments as, "she's beautiful", there are, "that bitch!" Both come from outward appearances. It is what's on the inside that counts, but sometimes it takes a while to get to it - which is no fault of the attractive person and more due to the insecurities of the other. They don't know that most just want to be liked for who they are, same as anyone else.

I had a similar experience, but it was about my hair. A man in a grocery store was kinda following me. I didn't think too much of it though. Finally he kind of grabbed me and I thought he was falling. He just said, "please don't ever cut your hair, it's gorgeous." Just my normal hair, maybe just past shoulder length. But, it stuck with me for the exact same reason. After he said it, he was gone before I even had a chance to respond. That, I think, is where the impact was.

Great piece!
I am also cursed with great beauty. I even have Gucci bags under my eyes.
Great way to end this. Perfect in fact! As long as we are ok with ourselves does anything else matter? I still jealous you are beautiful!! ;)
ditto your last two paragraphs. long discourse going on in my head about this subject but too much for a comment and probably TMI.

great post! have a good weekend ...
How do we write about our own beauty without sounding superficial? You did it beautifully. I have been considered pretty, striking, beautiful. That used to be important to me. It was the way I measured myself in the world. I don't anymore. I think my brain is hot, though! I have a gorgeous daughter. People always tell me this. "She's gorgeous. Do you know that? She should be a model." Yes, I know that. She is stunning... but that's just the wrapper. She's an astounding woman, though, and being that whole person is what matters to her. So... beauty, yeah... that's a big word. Rated.
Interesting and provocative post. Good for you that you got there in your own time. It wouldn't be real any other way.

I'm attractive, aging fairly well (except the currently too thin part) and though in my youth I was heavy, that never stopped my drawing power. I've always said I do it with mirrors. Not make-up, personality. People usually leave me thinking I'm much prettier than I am. I'll take it.
Thank you for posting this. It is an interesting question. I will have to go back and read the post you mentioned. For many women this issue is so complicated for obvious reasons.

Hope
I don't think I've never been what anyone would consider a beauty. I'd settle for pretty. I was always comfortable with pretty. Growing up I was always shorter, always the fattest girl in the room, always felt like the awkward one. I was a little popular but that was because I was cute and funny, quick to be the one cracking a joke or letting someone make me the subject of one and jumping into the center of things.
I think now that I'm older and can appreciate what real beauty is - heart, soul, and spirit - I can see who I am from a different angle. I still don't see myself as beautiful but every once in a while the right person can make me feel that way and I treasure that feeling when it comes around.
Yeah, no bimbo in that comment. As a kid, I always thought I was fat, but I look at pictures of myself as a kid and realize that I was far more muscular than girls my age - thus the clothing sizes to accomodate my quads and my shoulders. There's a picture of me playing softball in high school, and each muscle is defined - I wasn't body building, just in shape. I had no idea at the time.
I was always shy around very beautiful girls. I believe thats the reason ugly guys get beautiful women, they ask!! (I have to change my glasses to read this post. Why so small?)
Owl's comment made me remember thinking that my arms were fat when I was a kid. I had a bicep muscle. I always have known objectively that I am not beautiful, that I'm in the "attractive" or "pretty" or "cute" category. But my mother filled my head with the idea that I was beautiful just like I was, so damn if I didn't grow up believing it.

I hear that I'm beautiful more often these days. Partly it's the aging well thing, but also I think the ideal of beauty has expanded in the US. When I was growing up, the ideal beautiful woman was a blue-eyed blond. Now there is room for more ethnic looks. Works for me.
Lots to think about here. I may have to piggyback on your post, mypsyche. In the meantime, Michael Rodgers, you crack me up.
I agree with what Julie said. Many, many beautiful or good-looking women are automatically labelled "bitches" or "stuck up" by men and women on their appearance alone. They don't have to do a damn thing to deserve it usually. I speak from experience here, mine and others. And yes, everybody is insecure about their looks. I remember being in a fancy boutique in L.A. years ago and complaining about how something looked on me. The woman serving me laughed and said that some of the most beautiful women in the world shopped in her store and not ONE of them was satisfied with their looks.
This is a great post, Psyche. Your thoughts, so well expressed, brought up so many memories and emotions connected with outward appearance. Our society measures our worth (for men as well as women) by such superficial standards and we absorb those into our own consciousness. I remember sitting on the bus when I was in second grade (so, maybe age 7?), looking down at the way my thighs flattened out and wondering if I was too fat? Where the hell does a 7 year-old get that?

I, like Cindy Ross, may have to do my own post on this.

Great work. (R)

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Beautiful post, and so indicative of how women feel about themselves. I never felt secure despite now looking back and thinking, "wow, I was pretty".

R
love love love and rated, from my sick bed. interesting topic. very
I saw the beautiful women question and was reminded of Janis Ian's lyric:
"I learned the truth at 17
That life was meant for beauty queens
And high school girls with clear-skinned smiles
Who married young and then retired."
I know this is truth for many of us in high school. I also know that high school is the end for some of these beauties, both male and female, and the beginning for so many unnoticed, nerdy non-contestants. I believe beauty not only lasts, but increases, and has many forms. It morphs at an equal rate alongside our expanding knowledge and true awareness of self, our innate worth, and our exterior physical assets. As beautiful as I may have been, I would never, ever want to be 20-something again. I was way too stupid.
::relief::

Thanks for writing this, "And, if you are outwardly pretty, and you don’t talk, people make assumptions about you based on your looks. Because if you are pretty but don’t talk, people infer that you are stuck up, aloof, thinks she’s too good for us."

I have never read that anywhere. You don't hear people saying, oh, the "pretty" girls, they must have it so tough. It is a hard thing to handle, having people attracted to you, especially if you do not have appropriate guidance.

Thank you so much for your post, and the comments that resulted. I'll go check out the other post, too. Rated Highly!
It's interesting to hear tales from the other side. You're very talented to be able to discuss this with such a light touch and convey your meaning. Lots to ponder.
It's funny how people (and by "people", of course I mean, "I") think that if they (I) attain a certain standard, everything will be ok. "If I could only be a beautiful as her." ; "If I could only be a skinny as her" ; "If I could only be as successful as her"... when it really is what's on the inside that counts, (Oscar Wilde has much to say on the subject).

I love this peice - just love it. How many times have I felt exactly as you've described when piping up with my own point of view? Too many times. Too, too many times....
I am so appreciative of all the comments. It seems like the beginning of a great conversation! So many of us seem to have bumped up against this issue. I know it has been an almost lifelong issue and it was only when I hit 40 that things began to make better sense. THANK YOU for your comments and thoughts. I really hope to read more about other's experiences.

BTW: Sorry about the small font earlier! I thought I knew what I was doing. I'm not good at techy stuff but I am very good at other things. :)
Late as usual. I really must make a point to read on here more often.

I have trouble dealing with people who think it is wrong to admit to being beautiful. If modesty means denial, I'm not interested in it. Besides, it's that internal compass that really matters. I'm pleased with how I look, but I wouldn't want to be super-model gorgeous, because if I were I think I'd constantly worried that people might only like me for my appearance. As it is, I have just enough physical "flaws" to feel pretty but also to feel like people like me for who I am.

Great post.
Thanks for posting this honest and self-aware look back and forward.
Many years and pounds ago, when I was dating lots in NYC, I was often competing for desirable men against some really great beauties. When I asked one why he chose me, I can't forget his interesting response:

"When I'm with ..., I'm aware of everyone in the room, staring at her. When I'm with you, I'm only aware of you."
Screw that! Ain't NOTHING in the world wrong with being pretty and knowing it / working on being that way!

Hell, I"M pretty damn good looking! Not ashamed in the least to admit it. Blonde hair (real, TYVM, in mid back length dreads), blue eyes, great skin, a happy cheerful face (fantastic smile) and a killer bod (boobs are a bit small, but they fit my 105 lbs. / 4'9" frame). There! GOT ego? - hell yeah. Anything wrong with that? Hell NO!

I also am smart, passionate, college educated and loving. So there!

Now, why am I saying all of this???? I am saying it because I'm delighted to be pretty, smart and loving because it makes my spouse happy that I am. I'm delighted because it makes ME happy I am. I'm delighted that it makes my KIDS happy I am. Far as I'm concerned, nobody else counts!
Great post mypsyche. I was interested to see how many women did weigh in on Mark's post...and now here. I was genetically blessed with a body that fits "today's" version of how women should look. When I younger, I found the looks I got when walking through a mall or down a city street really unnerving, and I started covering it up with loose clothing. In the business world, I didn't want to be known for my body or my looks, so I wore baggy suits and took jobs that had me competing with the big boys. It sucked. I cringe at the crap I was forced to deal with in that world. The baggy suits didn't protect me from anything. In retrospect, I never even wanted to be in that world...I was completely out of touch with my inner self, and like you, I've worked hard to find my internal compass.

Now that I older, I appreciate my body - especially when it gets me through 10 consecutive days of hatha yoga without giving out. When I look at my bod in the mirror, I love it, not because it fits the mold, but because I appreciate the gift that it is. And I wish all women would love their bodies because our bodies are beautiful in every shape and size. (I love men who get that.) Maybe we'd all be healthier if we did. When I look at my girlfriends, that support system that keeps me sane, I see nothing but beauty and intelligence and heart.

So yes to your final 2 paragraphs. I think French women do have a wonderful sense of self that comes from the inside. I love that. That's what we need to find on this side of the pond. Now, if only we can teach that to the younger generation sooner -- it sounds like you are having success with this.
You may have moved to Paris at 18 and recognized that intangible truth about women. Living life from the inside out has allowed you to now own that beauty that airbrushing and photoshop can't create. This is when beauty becomes interesting.
I've met some of the most stunning women who were undoubtedly among the most disgusting creatures to walk the earth. Their attitude, their utter lack of character and soul made them detestable. It was tragic.
Ooopsie Daisies wrote: "I've met some of the most stunning women who were undoubtedly among the most disgusting creatures to walk the earth."

Being ugly doesn't automatically make you nice, caring or loving. Remember Leona Hemsley??? Just saying....
I have a similar quandary when people ask for help from someone who's “really smart.” I'm never quite sure if I qualify under that because I was raised by a mom who when I took an IQ test wouldn't let me know the result (and I still don't know today). She said it didn't matter and was only confuse me. (I've always sort of assumed the number was really low but that she believed in me anyway, and I've always appreciated that kindness. I do expect that if I took one even today I would score scarily low, so I just take solace in the fact that I seem to be getting along in the world, and I steer clear of them.)

And oh how I cringe when I take my daughter to the Apple store where she must deal with the guys who have “genius” on their t-shirts. Most days I just shake my head at the vanity, though there is the occasional day where I wonder if the person is not in just some private Hell, not wanting to proclaim him or herself a genius, but just needing a paycheck so badly that they're willing to cheerfully endure what may seem to them to be public humiliation.

But back to my original point, there are these periodic requests from “some genius out there” where it seems like to answer the question you have to identify yourself as part of a set that you don't really pretend to know how to tell whether you're among. But if everyone were as humble as some of us might think appropriate, no one would respond... and then the person in need of an answer might not get one. And surely that can't be helpful either. So sometimes one just responds even at the risk of appearing vain.

I think the high ground in ethical areas, and this somewhat qualifies as a matter of ethics, even if not a major branch of it, is that one should always continue to question their status and never take it as a given. A great deal of trouble in the world comes from people who think they are Good deciding they are permanently in the set of Good people and never again questioning it, as if they could never fall from that.

Which is all to make the meta-point that I think there's beauty in honest self-examination. So I enjoyed the read and agree with your conclusion.
I'm just back from York UK where a shop prominently displayed a teacup that featured a woman primping and the caption, "Inner Beauty Won't Get You Laid." My comment: Huh? Since when do women, regardless of looks, have trouble being mistaken for sex objects if that is what they want? (Actually, that should be sex predicate, since the object belongs inside the predicate.)

I was and am considered pretty. When I was younger adults acted as if I owed the world a certain behavior because of my looks. Again: Huh? So, I refused to wear anything fashionable, refused to wear make-up, and avoided all activities that the cool kids did.

You know what? I like the results! I feel truly me and not some pretty face wearing a costume and playing a part.
I love this post and no, I don't think you are in any stuck on your looks. You sound smart and well adjusted to me and I think that it is a shame that we place so much emphasis on looks, especially on the young.
I am so loving this discussion! Few of us are immune to some basic insecurities and yet, as Kent points out, someone has to be able to accept his or her place as smart or pretty or whatever. There are a lot of mixed messages out there to decipher and discard or adapt.

Yesterday I went to a yoga class after posting this. I looked around at the women of all shapes and aged from early 20's to 60's. Many of the older women had a visible ease with their bodies while the young, slim, pretty ones seemed slightly distressed. Interesting.

Thanks and keep on writing!
Great wonderful post.
I like what you said about being totally self-conscious and I loved how you worried about what people would think of your comments. Toooo familiar! And I love the last part. I think it's true.
This post is GREAT! You have spoken for many, many women, me included. To look good in a society that values good looks first -over other more important things- can be a difficult thing to handle in life when you are young, self-concerned and shy. I also wanted to disappear when I was a teen; it took me until my late twenties to come to terms with my looks, basically because I came to terms with myself as a person. As i commented on Mark´s blog, I don´t feel inspired by people telling me I´m beautiful, to be -or not to be- physically good looking is a matter of chance, genetics, and so, nothing to feel specially proud about.
In my country men tend to say many things to women on the streets (some times they go a bit too far and get offensive indeed). Then last time a man told me: "you´ve got beautiful eyes, babe" (in Spanish: que ojos, mamita!) I snapped back: I was born with them. End of the conversation.
I was 6' tall in the 6th grade. I had kinky hair and bad skin. My mother was constantly badgering me about my skin -- taking me to dermatologists, putting me on special diets. My dad would only shake his head in disgust if he caught me picking at it. Then he'd tell my mother. Result? I felt like whale shit.

My grandmother would always tell me that standing straight was good. So I stood straight. Result? I felt good.

When I was 16 I transformed. Through nothing I did. My body changed. My skin cleared up (a little). I was still 6', but the only problem I had with my height was the frustration of trying to buy clothes.

One time when I was in my 30's I was in the restroom at a hip rock club. Two young girls came in -- giggling and acting like typical young girls. Just as I was turning to walk out, one of them said, "excuse me. I just have to tell you that you are sooooo beautiful." Did it make me feel good? I still remember it, don't I?

When I let my hair go gray a friend of mine said that once she let her hair go gray she became invisible. It's true, but I kinda like it. There's no pressure to be beautiful when you're overlooked. But usually the minute I smile and start talking, I get the feeling I could get whatever I wanted. Not that I would want much, but it is a powerful feeling to know that the words coming out of my mouth are what someone else is responding to -- not whether I look HOT or not.

mypsyche: Nothing bimbo about your comment earlier. It's rare to find people who compliment without an angle. That's why we remember them I guess.

Beautiful words, too. :)
I avoided looking at people and always walked with my eyes down because I didn't like the staring, and didn't want to mislead any guy by smiling at him, I hate hurting people and saying no to guys who were interested when I wasn't. I could never say just "no", I'd say "I'm seeing someone" so they wouldn't feel it was them. Only in the last few years have I started walking with my eyes forward, looking around at people. I even smile at people and say hello, not scared that they are going to take it as a come on. That is the joy of getting older, and I am sorry I wasn't more secure in myself when I was younger.
Your inner and outer beauty shine through with this post! Another one that got by me the first time around; there are just so many good posts on OS, it's sometimes hard to get to them all.

You sum up the entire question of beauty and make it valid and invalid at the same time. Quite a feat!

BTW, I'm a native Texan, so howdy, home girl!
Mirrors are deceptive. We still see what we want to see. Good or bad. Young or old. The one staring back isn't always the one we believe we are. Mirrors gave us self deception. And Windex!
stellaa--thanks for the encouragement!

Polly--I hope you feel this way too.

Marcela in English--"I was born with them." What a fabulous rejoinder! I will have to remember that. Thanks for coming by.

bnc--I know what you mean... I wish I'd had an inkling back then.

FrogTownDiva--thanks for the compliment and for coming by!

Just Cathy--Windex!?? Now I know why I look so dirty. ::slaps head and walks away::
This was a great post--thank you.