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SEPTEMBER 8, 2011 11:31AM

THIS AIN'T THE OSCARS

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So I watched the Republican debate last night.

And I am puzzled - and indignant - about the politeness and deference of the questioners.  The candidates can spew nonsense and the media lap-dogs make the occasional feint, but essentially let them get away with it.

Perry was asked what he thought about the audience's cheering for his execution record.  He responded that the American people appreciate justice, and when you come to Texas and kill our children and police officers, blah blah.  Why did the moderator (yeah, good term) not haul out a piece of paper and say:  Cameron Todd Willingham, evidence stank, you quashed an inquiry - please respond.  Of course that bloodthirsty crowd might have booed, but let them.  

Chris Matthews asked Santorum do you believe in evolution, do you believe in evolution, do you believe in evolution, and Santorum gave a weasly answer about how maybe there was evolution on a small scale somehow, BUT HUMAN BEINGS WERE CREATED DIRECTLY BY GOD.  Matthews actually congratulated him (possibly ironically?) on his answer.

And all this stuff about not being *sure* yet about climate science, only days after a record storm that devastated Vermont and had threatened a New Orleans-like scene on NYC.  (Oh, a fluke, just like all the other stuff going on, record wildfires in Texas, etc.)

Again with the no-no taxes, shudder, even at the rate of 10 to 1 vis-a-vis cuts.  No questions about how the hell to pay for your wars, you guys.

I read in some of the media today that when Perry did his shtick about social security being a Ponzi scheme, he's saying the government is involved in criminal activity, haha.  Why did not the 'moderators' challenge him (hell, why didn't the other candidates, beyond Romney's mild rebuke), plus ask him how the hell people, esp. with such high unemployment and underemployment, with no safety nets, are supposed to accumulate in the predatory investment system sufficient to keep them in their old age (and medical problems...)

Why didn't anyone ask Perry about his Dominionist ties?

Or skewer that nauseating Ron Paul creature on his notion that we can leave regulation to those outfits who benefit most by lack of same, and that if government absolutely HAS to do something, then it should be the state governments - those financially strapped entities.  How long has be been on the public teat?

And afterwards, despite some ascerbic commentary, most the pundits and media people have commented on *performance*.  Perry started out better than expected, but faltered...  NOT ON WHAT HE SAID, BUT HOW HE SAID IT.  

This ain't the Oscars.  This is our goddamned lives. 

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Interesting piece.

And the lives that will be most affected by whichever of these candidates might (emphasis on might) become president will be Americans. As if much of the world doesn't hate us enough already.

Thanks for this post.
I could not watch this thing without booze. Since I do drink I stayed away. What a circus we have today.. In the old days some of them might have been locked up..
HUGGGGGGGGGG
There was nothing but soft questions with even softer answers that answered nothing.
At the end I asked myself if I would vote for any of them.
the only answer was: NONE OF THE ABOVE....
I'm becoming convinced that the 4th estate is as complicit in the slow and deliberate disassembling of our government for the benefit corporations and "special interests". we do not get news. we get "entertainment". they are deliberately turning important news, important events into idiocy. every fucking last one of them.

corporate money is intent on destroying every agencies and regulatory body and will accept only laissez-faire, free for all, free trade third world politic for the entire "global environment/world/economy", a world of two classes, workers and the rich. which goes all the way to explaining the connection between the koch bros and the tea party.
I like your wrap up better than the others I've seen. You cut to the chase here. Huntsman would be a real threat in a general election- which was why Pres. Obama sent him to China to be an ambassador. If the GOP can have a moment of clarity now that they've hit rock bottem, they would see they have the answer in their midst. Interesting times to live in, which is a Chinese curse.
absolutely, positively spot on, myriad, every point, and written intelligently and wisely and indignantly. that last line is a stunner. should be on big salon (without the headaches that come with that).
I missed the red carpet part, but I liked Michele's dress and Perry's tie was nice.
I know what you mean . . . it's why I didn't watch . . . but I'll pick up the highlights through The Daily Show and Colbert Report (thank you, hulu)
Missed it.
But I've seen them all already.
Don't all their necks look a little too long?
Like lizard long?
I didn't watch because I don't trust the moderators to ask meaningful, sharp questions. You confirm my worst fears. Like Owl, I'll wait for highlights from Stewart and Colbert.
sigh. Did you expect better? "Our side" hides, manipulates and bullies too http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rahm-emanuel-storms-out-of-interview-after-being-asked-about-kids-school/ The press is controlled by money, same as the rest of life.
"The candidates can spew nonsense and the media lap-dogs make the occasional feint, but essentially let them get away with it."

Yep; that such nauseating Christofascists weren't questioned closer about their whacknut beliefs is even more disgusting than the candidates' putrescent lies. And the problem goes way deeper than just how the moderators were in the debate last night; our media consistently presents purveyors of anti-democratic hatespeak like Bachmann and Perry and assorted Tea Party lunatics as having the same legitimacy as sane people, and by doing so they help move this country farther to the lunatic Right.
One of the few progressive things Rick Perry has ever done is insist that Texas schoolgirls get the HPV vaccine. But even this is tainted. The vaccine was produced by Merck, which has contributed to Perry’s political campaigns. One of Merck’s chief lobbyists is his former Chief of Staff. As William Saletan pointed out in Slate today, Perry’s action on this issue is totally inconsistent with his opinions on nearly every other aspect of health care reform. I guess he only cares about the public interest when it makes his friends wealthy and his campaign coffers full at the same time. And don’t get me started on the Willingham fiasco.

If this clown gets anywhere near the White House, we’re doomed. (Of course, the rest of them are clowns too.)
The inhabitants of the lunatic asylum have been turned loose and are now ready to run the asylum themselves and lock up anyone even faintly looking like he/she is "normal". In the process they are willing to wreck whatever is left of the sanity of the average American citizen.
But ignorance goes a long way in the US of A and voting repeatedly against your own self interest has been firmly implanted in the mind of the average US citizen who through a hundred years of government propaganda is no longer able to differentiate between what is good for him/her or what is bad for him/her.
Oh you got me chuckling with that last line and I commend you for it.
I did not watch the circus, I mean, the debate. Didn't think I could stomach it. Thankfully your blog has filled me in.

A perfect ending here too, Myriad. Congrats on the EP, btw.
Well done Myriad. Nana pretty much encapsulated my thoughts on the situation...Lunacy.
And tonight, I watched the President's speech, and wondered, though a nice speech, with good ideas, was it just words? ~shrug~
I don't know the way out of this Myriad. In a better world the moderators or journalists would challenge several of the ludicrous statements. In this one however, after the first irreverent query, the howls would ring forth about the "left-wing media" and that wold be the story. Given the apparent level of ignorance of the general populace and the willingness to accept bumper-sticker wisdom as revealed truth, it's hard not to expect that things will get worse before, if ever, they get better.
I did not watch this, enjoyed a dvd instead. Entertainment is entertainment. Republicans talking is up there with Jerry Bruckheimer movies for me.
If you want to watch something that would help anyone understand just how far our politics has fallen, go to YouTube and find one of the Nixon/Kennedy debates. Just how resonable and articulate those guys were in comparison is mind-boggling. (It's interesting watching what Nixon was like before he got bitter.)
If only you were as indignant about Obama, but alas, no....
I know! Why aren't we yelling at them, calling them out for outrageous lies and putting their party before everyone else's good?

They should have tomatoes thrown at them. And don't bother taking them out of the cans. The tomatoes, I mean.

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Cool, and a frustrating subject that deserves the EP, congrats :).

But I can't imagine the pain you must have endured ;).

Rated for guts (or masochism).
There is a cultural split in the country as there is in all collectives between those who cling to a past with base instincts and the incapacity to think beyond it. The evolution of consciousness is a long, slow process based on the efforts of a thin minority--that usually begins with one individual who recognizes there is a "better" and in this case a more humane way.

The death penalty is unique because there is one major traditional institution against it and that is the Catholic Church, but it is not of course alone among religious organizations, for which those who have gone past it can be thankful.

But it's a long, hard climb. Europe is already out of it. There is hope, I believe, for this one in the future but it's up to true liberals to keep up the fight and not be discouraged.
Um - to catch up. I posted yesterday and went away.

Mary - Sometimes I think the rest of us should get a vote in the U.S. elections, seeing as how the outcome affects us so much.

Linda - I had a little sip while watching, but what I shouldda done was get into this bottle of rum someone left behind...

Mission - even the weasily 'reasonable' ones? I don't know which were more off-putting, the frankly crazy (Mr. Paul, I'm looking at you), the out-of-their-depth (somebody should go back to making pizzas and fostering kids), the shit-kicker (you know who), or the smarmy 'reasonable' morons, er, Mormons.

Monkey - the media certainly gives every impression of (smirkily, smugly) being complicit.

Rei - I don't know if Huntsman would win an election. He's sort of good-looking, but lacking in elect-ifying charisma. Probably would be convenient to have a Chinese-speaking prez, tho.

Candace - at least I got an EP...a somewhat meaningless thing...

Oh John! (Did you notice the nice array of ties on the platform for O's speech last night? Why can't men have a little color beyond that weird useless neck/chest adornment?)

Owl - at least with DS and CR one can laugh thru the tears. Watching it straight: only tears, amidst the thorn bushes...

AKA - indeed. The alien lizards have taken over the bodies of all world leaders (and some local municipal ones too).

Hawley - the moderators are all FINKS! (Tho I suppose if they weren't, they'd be summarily fired.)

Julie - Indeed (sob)

Nana - Right On! Or, because "right" is such a dirty word these days, Exactly! Tell it!

Rock - yeah, that vaccine, Merk connection business...and how it was all right to enforce that, but Real Health Care For Everyone? oh no, that's unconstitutional.

Hans - Insane clown posse on that stage, and the audience took them seriously...and the populace takes them seriously. Sometimes I wonder why there aren't riots in the streets - but people ROTFLMAO in the streets is what's called for.

Algis - yeah.....but it ain't really funny, McGee

Scarlett - I wish I hadn't watched it. But guess what I'm gonna be doing next Monday night?

Linnnnnn - yeah, lunacy. With a capital loon.

Tink - yeah, like he thinks that'll get anywhere...

Mistercomedy - hey, I was inspired...outrage will do that.

Abrawang - considering the applause for the execution thing, the audience might have lynched the mods if they'd asked some tough questions...

Greenheron - wise of you

Kosher - OMGZ, you're gonna make me nostalgic for NIXON!! (Sob)

Mr. Hardin - didn't see the Big O up there in the debate. Guess I missed that.

Shiral - canned tomatoes or fairy-dust? Decisions, decisions... I think Perry would look darling with sparkles in his hair. OTOH, sporting a black eye might be nice...
Oops, a couple more people showed up. And, hey, look at the rating - a personal best I think. Shows where most of our heads are at. Except for Mr. Hardin, Mr. Osborne and a couple others.

Seer - masochism rules! Gonna do it again on Monday night. And there are probably lots more to come...

Ben Sen - and we here in Canada have left the death penalty behind. The evolution of consciousness seems to occasionally go retrograde. And, yes, it takes a minority sometimes. When it was abolished in Canada, it was done by the government despite a majority of the population being in favour of it. Maybe even a majority of the legislature. But with our system of government, the prime minister and cabinet can push through legislation...dangers in that of course, but also benefits. I suppose there are some benefits to a system of chaos and deadlock such as you guys endure, but I prefer ours...
Oops, wasn't just an EP, but made cover! (I usually have the page set to Most Recent and didn't notice my inappropriately grinning face up there.)
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Not only made cover, but attracted a spammer - my big day. (Where's that rum bottle...ah, spiced rum. Can that be drunk straight?)
What you've described is exactly why I don't watch this stuff. But reading your take on it, now that's a real pleasure.
The questioners' silly behavior makes no sense if you assume the 'debates' are designed to inform citizens about their choices relating to government, policy, and the national welfare.

The questioners' behavior makes perfect sense when you realize that they are, in fact, tasked to entertain passive viewers. It's a show, pure and simple. Corporate, profit-driven infotainment, not citizenship news.

We need to talk to any of our friends and neighbors who may not yet understand this to help them learn that they need to get their information elsewhere. If we don't, who will?
Why Margaret, how sweet.

Karen - that's the worry, all right. Someone who, for instance, had never heard about Willingham, might have come away with the idea that all is well with the Texas justice system, and that the appeals system is sufficient to catch any *rare* problems. Or that indeed the pension system that has kept a whole lot of people above water for the last 70 years is some kind of cheat and should be immediately abolished. Even if they realized they were basically watching a cage fight ("Who did well, who 'lost'?")
What's this, you made the cover without writing about the pet goldfish you accidentally ate because you thought it was a new kind of sushi? I am outraged.
@Drew - goldfish don't scream.
That's too bad for us all - even at the bottom of a Crack Jack Box - you get a prize! R