JANUARY 2, 2012 8:30PM

Appalling Paul

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In the comments on some post or other I opined about Ron Paul - in the negative.  Someone who stumbled across my comment PMed me at length, making the case for Paul and ending with asking if Paul now had my vote.

Bwahaha, even if I wanted to vote for Paul, I couldn't.

I told my correspondent that the PM would make a good blog. (Tho, of course, not one I'd agree with.)

In the meantime, I've decided to do my own post, just to get it off my mind.

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And just now I saw Paul being interviewed on CNN calling Santorum a big fat *liberal* - because (shock, horror) he voted in Congress for international aid and help for seniors thru Medicaid.  Something else horrendous too, I think, that I don't recall.  But that's sufficient - mean-spirited and wanting people, however vulnerable, to go it alone.

Anti-government people want to throw out the baby with the bathwater - government is sometimes wasteful and does dubious things and, in many times and places, is oppressive.  SO LET'S GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER. 

Here's Paul this weekend on the awfulness of the Civil Rights Act: 

"What you don't want to do is undermine the concept of liberty in that process. And what they did in that bill was they destroyed the principle of private property and private choices.

So if you do this, all civil liberties are protected by property rights, where it's your TV stations -- that's a piece of property -- or whether it's the newspaper, whether it's the church building, or whether it's the bedroom. This is something that people don't quite understand, that civil liberties aren't divorced from property.

So if you try to improve relationships by forcing and telling people what they can't do, and you ignore and undermine the principles of liberty, then the government can come into our bedrooms. And that's exactly what has happened."

Shaking head.

And seizing on that bit about bedrooms - the one area of *liberty* that libertarians (and Republicans) don't support is in the bedroom ... they want to pass laws against gay people and women's reproductive health (not just access to abortion).  Isn't there a contradiction there?  Shut down the government, except for the Sex Police.

And while I'm bitching, there's that Santorum person, saying manufacturing would return to the U.S. if they just got rid of regulations, reduced corporation tax to zero (for those who brought back manufacture) and generally did what China has done.  Nets around the factories to catch employees trying to commit suicide? [That's where your/my wonderful Apple products come from.] (And that he'd nullify all same-sex marriages.) (And that he doesn't want to 'help' black people by giving them other people's money.  Some other commentator pointed out that the majority of people receiving government help are white...but that's not how these guys think.)

I like this article, Conservatism, Compassion and Cruelty, about how wonderful it is when a community rallies around someone who is ill and can't afford to pay medical bills...and how cruel it is to make this people's only option. 

And charity of friends and neighbors is Paul's idea too of how people should deal with such situations. 

Thing is, in case it isn't obvious, and obviously it ain't, as a large, mobile society, community is the nation and certain forms of charity and other services have to be institutionalized.  

Otherwise we all have to build our own highway when we want to go somewhere and roll it up behind when we're finished. 

 

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Yeah, Jane, it's people who allow these turd-blossoms to flourish, those who support and those who don't care.

I can manage to be outraged w.o. being overcome because, however it will affect us and the rest of the world, first and foremost this is the US's stupid problem.
There's a lot about him I'm not comfortable with, but I can forgive much of someone who has the balls to run this ad.
Yeah, Snippy, the one thing about Paul that one can approve of is his views on the military.

However, one of the Dirty Little Open Secrets about American government is that the president is relatively powerless and is largely at the mercy of Congress...and of the industrial/military establishment. It would be interesting to see Paul get elected and see what happened next...
My blood pressure rises just reading this stuff. Turd-blossoms, liars, frauds, and pricks. It is disheartening that so many people are truly so uninformed, but think they are.
I wonder if they think that friendless people that no one likes would get the whole community to raise money for them if they were ill. I guess they think they should just die. This guy is truly dangerous.
But, most of them in line are as well.
rated with love
It's largely the people in politics who don't believe in society, they never did. Bad eggs, all of them, Paul included. Very bad eggs...
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Scary nutcases all. Would love to see the pm you got from the nutcase advocate.
Firechick - It's embarrassing...

Romantic - Yeah, friendless people should just die - LOSERS! Also people in a community who are the 3rd or 10th to rack up big bills and friends&neighbors no longer can help.

Dr. Lee - and they're making a very smelly omelet to serve to the electorate.

Sheila - the PM was quite 'reasonable'...at least I think so. I suppose it's bad of me not to listen carefully to other people's POVs, but I kinda skimmed.
I used to think exactly like you Myriad, but 3 years on unemployment as I watched “our” enlightened liberal in the Oval Office murder third worlders while he turned the economy over to Goldmen Sachs has enabled me to change my views on Libertarianism. If we have to throw the baby out with the bath water to get rid of the Federal Reserve and end globalist wars overseas then so be it we will have one less baby.
1. International aid and Medicaid need to be phased out gradually before they are arbitrarily cut off when the U.S. economy is in such rough shape that both programs will be forced to be cut. Weening recipients off government subsidy in the face of a crumbling economy is not "mean-spirited", it is humane, and practical.

2. It's not just about government being oppressive, it's about the government, along with its constituents, being flat broke. It's about coming to terms with this, and taking action to mitigate the fallout. Most politicians want to do the opposite and kick the can down the road, and that's the most dangerous position to hold because it ensures the crash will be harder for those used to receiving government aid.

3. You misunderstand Ron Paul's idea on property rights entirely. He doesn't advocate outlawing homosexuality or abortion like Rick Santorum (you wanna talk about a crazy person?) advocates. Ron Paul is saying get government out of abortion and marriage altogether. He believes marriage is for individuals and their respective church to decide upon. He doesn't even believe in the need for a government approved marriage license. Likewise he says the federal government has no right to rule on abortion.

And if you truly understood Ron Paul's ideology, you'd know that even if he personally is against abortion, it would not influence his presidency because he doesn't agree with a president who tries to mandate how any other individual should live or behave.

4. Ron Paul is the only candidate from either party who is for ending the wars, closing all the military bases around the world, and to stop nation building. He is the only candidate who voted against the Patriot Act, and would repeal it immediately. He is the only candidate in favor of ending corporate welfare, and for dismantling the military industrial complex.

He is the only candidate who would put an end to the War on Drugs, would legalize marijuana, and he has said he would immediately pardon all non-violent drug offenders currently incarcerated. He is the only GOP candidate against the death penalty. He is the only GOP candidate in favor of a totally open, and free internet. He is the only candidate from either party who voted against the bank bailouts, has grilled Ben Bernanke time and again on why he's robbed the American people.

Ron Paul is the only candidate who advocates cutting the president's salary down to 40k a year. He is the only candidate who returns a portion of his government income every year, and does not participate in the government pension program. In 30 years he has not wavered, he has not flip-flopped. He has always voted in line with his ideals.

How this guy is not winning by a landslide is beyond me.
Santorum is a douchebag. Paul has stupid ideas about the economy (killing medicare being chief among them), but your protrayal of him as wanting to regulate the bedroom is ridiculous. He's actually warning against letting the government do that, much like Obama is currently. He might not care who you sleep with, but he damn well cares who you associate with and what you say about the government.

In the end, Paul wants to STOP killing and torturing people. I could give a shit about the rest, which is what I conveyed to you in PM.

I WANT MY GOVERNMENT TO STOP KILLING AND TORTURING FOREIGN PEOPLE AND I REALLY WANT IT TO STOP KILLING AND TORTURING ITS OWN PEOPLE. Ron Paul is the only candidate I see who says he will do that, and who I believe will actually keep his word.

I know the president's word is shit. The rest of the GOP candidates are a bunch of fucking criminals...there is no viable 3rd party candidate at this time.

If you could vote, who would you vote for? Obama? Tell me how that disgusting hypocrite is any different from Bush 43.

(in case anyone thinks I'm a republican, I'm not. Obama is, though)
I rated you, but your understanding of what Paul was saying portrays his words to mean one thing, when he actually is saying the opposite. Since no one here questions anything (because that means someone might stop reading their shitty blog), you should re-write that section to more properly reflect the sentiment that Paul was trying to come across with.

I don't agree with his assertion that all liberties come from private property, and I can come up with several arguments against it, but he was saying that if we give up private property rights, we give up liberty, and THEN the government can come into our bedrooms.

Again,I disagree with it, but he wasn't saying anything close to what you were portraying.
After reading all the comments, especially the last one that should be a blog by itself, I find Paul to be a nutjob just like the rest Myriad.
Politics is a dog ad pony show of highest order these days.
I wish common sense would return. And sanity.
I rated you, but your understanding of what Paul was saying portrays his words to mean one thing, when he actually is saying the opposite. Since no one here questions anything (because that means someone might stop reading their shitty blog), you should re-write that section to more properly reflect the sentiment that Paul was trying to come across with.

I don't agree with his assertion that all liberties come from private property, and I can come up with several arguments against it, but he was saying that if we give up private property rights, we give up liberty, and THEN the government can come into our bedrooms.

Again,I disagree with it, but he wasn't saying anything close to what you were portraying.
Bless you.

These Paul-ites need to go worship some sheep somewhere...sheep don't harm people often. This political worship is pretty loony and thank you for being mesured, sane.

Rated.
Paul is pathetic...and Santorum is not quite up to that low standard.

You are right on the mark, Myriad.

To paraphrase McNationalist: How this guy is not already out of this race is beyond me.
Mission,

How is Ron Paul a nut-job? You would rather keep throwing innocent lives into the War Machine? You would rather have your civil liberties eroded in the name of some faceless enemy that never goes away? You would rather the economy continue to crumble slowly and painfully for the next 20 years?

It's like people are so afraid to shake up the status quo that they'd rather continue on in a terrible system than try a fresh approach. How is that progressive thinking?
Jonathan,

We can get into the semantics of what qualifies as "worship" and what doesn't all day long, and to what end?

Explain how promoting peace and individual liberty is being a sheep. Have a look at the system built up around you...safe to say being a follower would mean supporting the status quo.

Ron Paul is hated by the establishment. Do you think that's by accident? They hate him because he represents a real threat to the status quo...i.e. he is the opposite of a follower falling in line, goose-stepping to the same rhythm that's been playing for decades.
Frank,

Are you a registered Democrat? How is Ron Paul pathetic when he is more liberal than President Obama?

You're right about Santorum, but why would you lump the only socially progressive candidate - for either party - in the race as being cut from the same ignorant cloth as Rick Santorum?

Obama hasn't kept very many of his promises...that is unless you're a registered Republican. Ron Paul represents REAL hope and change.
Are you a registered Democrat? How is Ron Paul pathetic when he is more liberal than President Obama?

I am a registered Independent…and I support progressive initiatives.

You're right about Santorum, but why would you lump the only socially progressive candidate - for either party - in the race as being cut from the same ignorant cloth as Rick Santorum?

I do not consider Ron Paul a socially progressive candidate…and quite honestly, I think he IS cut from the same ignorant cloth as Rick Santorum. Apparently, so do the conservatives of Iowa.

Obama hasn't kept very many of his promises...that is unless you're a registered Republican.

Obama hasn’t kept very many of his promises whether you are a registered Republican; registered Democrat; registered Independent; or not registered at all. He has not kept very many of his promises. It seems to me that if Jesus Christ were our president during the last three years, he also would be accused of not keeping his promises…if his promises were the kind that Obama made…and if the House were composed of the assholes that make up a significant number of its composition.

I am not faulting Obama for not keeping his promises. I suspect he is getting the best he can out of an untenable situation.

Ron Paul represents REAL hope and change.

Ron Paul represents the frustration we all feel…and he offers simplistic solutions to problems needing more than that. But if you honestly think he is the answer to our problems…continue to support him. I don't think it will get you anywhere.

I intend to continue to support Obama...although I think the Republican nominee will win in November...and you will be rid of him. We'll see how that works out.
Ron Paul's moronic view of the Civil Right's Act is enough itself to disqualify him as a serious candidate. His repressive need to force his restrictive beliefs on women showcases just how empty his rhetoric about personal liberties really is.
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