APRIL 2, 2012 11:42AM

WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

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Read this. A soulless monster worries that the government is out to gitcher-soul, starting with (ABOMINATION!) affordable health care (oh the horror).

This from some guy whom YOU PAY FOR HIS TOP O' THE LINE HEALTH CARE.

Here's an exerpt.  The speaker is Steve King, whom some morons voted into Congress:

"You know when I look at this and this whole picture of you seeing the expansion of the nanny state here in America and the administration reaching into every aspect of our lives, the Obamacare piece addresses about 1/6 of our economy and a great big chunk of our American freedom and liberty. I define it this way, the sovereign thing that we have is our own soul, and the federal government hasn’t yet figured out how to nationalize our soul. They did figure out how to nationalize some investment banks, some insurance companies, some car companies and our skin and everything inside it. That’s Obamacare—it’s a nationalization—it’s a government takeover of our sovereign responsibility to manage our own health. Not only do they take over our skin and everything inside it, but they put a ten percent tax on the outside if you go to a tanning salon, Tony."

Here's a couple bits from the Kos commentary:

"The whole dynamic of the health care debate is, on the Republican side, asinine. Figures like King—no, that is unfair, like every single last goddamn one of them, from the miserable Gilded Age sycophant Paul Ryan to the bumbling political weathervane that is John Boehner, and everything between those two points of view, and on the outskirts of them, and even the so-called moderates that for the last four years could not moderate their way out of a sandwich bag—are convinced that it is a matter of "freedom and liberty." The freedom and liberty they speak of, however, is much blunter than perhaps what the Founders intended. The liberty is the liberty to let people die on the streets; the freedom they speak of is the freedom of not giving a damn if it happens.

No, that's not too cruel a summary. I'm sorry for potentially wounding the feelings of psychopaths, but it's just not. That is the precise summation of every argument made against health care reform under the banner of government overreach and liberteez and keep your law off my body!—that last one being another Steve Kingism, proving once and for all that the man does not have a self-aware neuron anywhere in that vapid noggin of his.

...What is the freedom? The freedom to die if you have the wrong kind of insurance? The freedom to have your child die, if you do not have a job that gains you the proper benefits (which, it might be added, it would also be tyranny to require employers to provide?) Or is it simply the freedom to not give a flying damn if that happens to other Americans, so long as you've got yours? Is the liberty involved here the liberty to act as an island, to forego all moral obligations to your fellow man, to forego investing in the general welfare (but not the general defence, heavens no) if you feel that it is just too onerous a task to be bothered with?

Every definition of this particular freedom and liberty that I have yet heard revolves around the freedom to be a son of a bitch, and the liberty to let other Americans die in the streets rather than pay one damn dime to help them. Like King, it is often couched in religious terms—my religion allows me to donate as I see fit to make sure only the right people are kept alive, and only if I feel like it, and only at the times I wish, so that none of the faggots or the Muslims or the ethnic people get it. For many people, their obligations to their fellow man consist of charity—but never of duty." 

 

Why aren't you rioting in the streets? Oh wait a minute, after that bit of Occupy fuss last fall policies have been put in place to make sure THAT doesn't happen again. Okay, but you've got internet and mail. Pester those fools in office. They may not all be as blatant as King, but they're all essentially standing with him. Standing on your collective heads.

Organize – vote Green (see this post). I know, I know – voting third party will only drain votes from the Dems and put the party of King more firmly in control. But that's true only if you can't organize enough people. Sigh – realistically you gotta go for the damn Dems, tell them what you want them to do, vote them in, then KEEP AFTER THEM.

People who worry about abortions manage to keep picket lines going. Why not (small, but persistent) picket lines in front of representatives' offices, insurance company offices and hospitals? And the fucking Supreme Court.

The bastards are gonna keep grinding you down if you let them. AND YOU'RE LETTING THEM!

Alternatively, or also, start taking things into your own hands. Tg within (as a comment to the above linked post) says s/he's saving for medical needs. There are some health problems for which it's unlikely people can save enough. Start collective private insurance pools. Once upon a time discriminated-against black people started their own insurance companies and other businesses instead of whimpering about whitey. And while you're at it, organize some kind of service-and-commodity exchange, because the bastards are out to cut safety nets and aren't gonna do shit about jobs.

And for those who start whining about how they don't want to pay for other people's health-care, get the fuck off the highways, the sidewalks, the air-ways, don't call the police or fire dept., don't use any of the collectively paid-for services meant for the collective good.  Go off into the woods with a bunch of ammunition...and some band-aids.

Weird how some people think it's fine for insurance companies, WHO ONLY WANT TO MAKE MONEY, to have life-and-death power over them and their fellow citizens, but are terrified of government, which exists for the purpose of their welfare and which they have a fighting chance of influencing.

SO INFLUENCE ALREADY.  

And think about Sky's advice to Kenny on this post.  Canada is about as expensive to live in as the U.S.  Consider Mexico.  Ron Paul may have *known* something when he made that peculiar remark about how the U.S. needs a good southern border to keep Americans in...

 

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And for those who start whining about how they don't want to pay for other people's health-care, get the fuck off the highways, the sidewalks, the air-ways, don't call the police or fire dept

Do you know how many arguments I have about this subject.??? The Canadian health care system is not perfect but I have two good Canadian friends just diagnosed with cancer and those people were in getting treatment as fast as I could blink.. and they do not have to worry about it. Another friend in Berkeley has been cut off her insurance company because this is the second time she has had breast cancer.

I could go on and on.. GREED I swear Myriad.. it pisses me off so much. Another friend in the Berkeley has been cut off her insurance company because this is the second time she has had breast cancer.

Someone needs to do something and they will not.
And for those who start whining about how they don't want to pay for other people's health-care, get the fuck off the highways, the sidewalks, the air-ways, don't call the police or fire dept

Do you know how many arguments I have about this subject.??? The Canadian health care system is not perfect but I have two good Canadian friends just diagnosed with cancer and those people were in getting treatment as fast as I could blink.. and they do not have to worry about it. Another friend in Berkeley has been cut off her insurance company because this is the second time she has had breast cancer.

I could go on and on.. GREED I swear Myriad.. it pisses me off so much. Another friend in the Berkeley has been cut off her insurance company because this is the second time she has had breast cancer.

Someone needs to do something and they will not.
oh yeah.. sending hugs to you and Laura..:)
I wish the OS system would stop duplicating comments hahaha..
We've been banging our heads against this wall for over sixty years... Harry Truman wanted to implement a single-payer healthcare system... Lyndon Johnson twisted arms and literally blackmailed members of congress to get the votes needed to pass Medicare and Medicaid... Obama tried to get compromise and consensus and it's blowing up in his face... what a long strange trip it's been... I know of what I speak check out my Obamacare post.
Since I have managed to live under both the Canadian system while married to the dual citizen, and the complete screw up that Americans get for national health care, I can say honestly that Canadians have it far better by a mile.
Seeing those glass jars with pictures of children taped to them with various forms and cancer and disease begging for dollars breaks my soul.

But honest Myriad, the politicians here are so corrupt from taking money from the various big health care corporations running the scam insurance companies and medical unions, that reform is like shoveling shit with the incoming tide....
Mission, Mac - this resignation is part of the problem! If people only got it together, they could scare the politicians and even the corporations. A few Occupy weeks and there were some changes in the "national dialogue". Come on, you both got internet - send an email a day (or a week, whatever) to your House guy and your senator and your state reps. I know, I know, you'll get bedbug letters back, but bedbug letters don't tell the whole story.
So why aren't the insurance companies lobbying for this? Don't they win if everyone is paying premiums? Or is it the pre-existing conditions clause they don't like?
Phyllis - insurance companies should keep quiet. One of these days people will wake up and say, hey, what the fuck are we paying these assholes for? In Canada, we pays our taxes and we gets our health-care. All that money siphoned off to insurance companies gets put into actual useful use.
Just one more reason we all need to start taking care of ourselves by ourselves with our own individual democracy that will then eventually match a true democracy.

And what I wrote probably does not make sense to anyone, especially the Elected Officials Who Are 'Running' Our Society.
mhold - try to get them to listen. If that doesn't work, opt out. (Better than being turfed out...which is what's happening.)
Scientists say we are genetically programmed for doom.
From something. Cancer. Sickle cell. Mental disease.
Some other smarter scientists say:
well, look, genes gotta be activated.
by environment.
so live clean.


the usa 's mighty economy which is staggering
depends on us doing unhealthy shit to ourselves.
even smoking & drinking: consider the tax revenue.

we gotta get stressed to achieve, and buy the latest gadget.
stress kills!

health care for the bottom of the most low stratum?
no way.
they are the sinners, drug addicts, drinkers, smokers,
lottery buyers, they are addled.

Their money is green. they pay cash.

let em die.

we have sucked the life out of them anyway.

and we have profited to hold the middle class up,
let us hope. the clean folk, in gated communities, smoke free,
green!
yet still dying.
from all this genetic stuff.

more money to, uh, genetic research?
I agree with you completely, Myriad. We Americans are battle-weary, snowed, cowed and whipped. There are so many battles to fight, so much ignorance to fix. But we have to do our parts if we have any chance at all of prevailing. You are so right.

Lezlie
Myriad, part of the problem is that far too many people on one side or the other fail to communicate. Another part of the problem is that each side decides which part of the Constitution they want to apply to any given situation.

On the issue of the Healthcare law... I would argue the Constitution specifically encourages the alleged "socialism" inherent in the law when it states: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Promoting the GENERAL WELFARE of ALL CITIZENS is required by the Constitution... those who would challenge the law as "Unconstitutional" fail to recognize the importance of "promote the general welfare."
"The bastards are gonna keep grinding you down if you let them. AND YOU'RE LETTING THEM!"

Well yeah, but I wouldn't expect ya Kanux, with your fascistic allegiance to universal health care - i.e. slavery - to realize that freedom means the right to be ground down untrammeled by gummint interference.

Yeah, we need a 3rd party, maybe even 4th and 5th parties, but given the reality that our current system was crafted by the TWO parties to operate perpetually for their own benefit, that isn't likely to happen in a meaningful way. I take your point about pestering the Dems when they're in office, and in some cases that can be productive, but when I look at events over the last several years I don't feel optimistic about that strategy having much real effect at the macro level. Let's take one issue as an example; health care reform. A couple years ago, a Democratic administration working with a Democratically-controlled legislative branch and given a mandate by a populace desperate for real change, went to the wall and expended every bit of political capital they had to achieve supposed health care reform, and the end result after much sturm und drang amounted to nothing more than a multi-trillion dollar giveaway to the very same for-profit, predatory, parasitical medical/health insurance complex which was the source of the problem to begin with. And this is touted (by an allegedly "progressive" administration, mind you) as a huge victory and as a great benefit to us collectively and as individuals. Well, they can call it Obamacare or they can call it reform or they can call it any fucking thing they want to call it, but it was all fashioned with the goal of benefiting corporations rather than the actual health of our citizenry, and all that means is that profit-motivated privately-run entities have effective control of the levers of power in this country and short of violent revolution they ain't gonna let loose of those levers. Hell, if you owned an economy worth 14 trillion a year or whatever it is, you wouldn't give up ownership either, not unless someone forced you to at the point of a gun.
1. Glad to be European

2. I feel for you guys. It is almost amazing how some people can ruin such a beautiful thing like a national health care system with dumb arguments and false facts.
I'm really beginning to believe that the entire healthcare debate is predicated on keeping things exactly as they are until us boomers are dead and gone, and then to hell with everybody else. There's really nothing else going on here. Just noise.
It's the ol' Boomer Shuffle...one-two-three...
It just kills me that these welfare sucking states and people are so cold blooded about anything but their own selfish issues.

We needed to kick democratic party butts when that idiot held the thing up in committee pandering to republicans for so long. The republicans are in the Supreme court, fighting their own add on to their own pre-Obama medical plan from years ago.
Solid rant.

Your reference to 3rd party votes is an important one; it only involves making a different choice on the ballot -- not all that complicated. The only reason people won't do it is that they allow fear to rule their minds. Obama came into office with the purest mandate Americans have seen in a long time, and we ended up with what essentially amounts to Republican policy, albeit watered-down Republican policy. And now, people defend sending the same reps back into office because they are too afraid to vote for someone else.

You advocate sending emails, standing in front of representatives' offices, etc. None of that will matter at all if the only result is that people go into the voting booth and send those same people right back into office. But if those reps start seeing the votes disappearing into other camps, THAT will get their attention. The Teabaggers got the attention of Repubs for that very reason.

As nana points out, "if you owned an economy worth 14 trillion a year or whatever it is, you wouldn't give up ownership either, not unless someone forced you to at the point of a gun." Short of armed revolt, taking away votes is the next best weapon we have, but fear prevents its use.

This may be a bit of an oversimplification, but to answer your question: What's wrong with us is FEAR.

RATED
James - we are genetically programmed to get old and feeble and almost certainly have some medical problems.....not to mention all the genetic and other problems that pop up during our 'good' years. But Repubs say let's all pretend we can "manage our own healthcare".

Lezlie - your post about racial profiling reminded me that the U.S. is dealing with so many problems that, yeah, I can see how people are discouraged and exhausted. It looks so hopeless...

Mrs. Raptor - I fail to understand how people can think that "general welfare" wouldn't include health care. I think part of the problem is that the constitution was written in a different time and place...and their "everyone" (property-owning white males) is not the present-day "everyone". Harking back to the constitution is like harking back to the bible - different people, different times...and surely we have progressed since then...

Nana - Sometimes I think things could change very quickly. Look at Russia. Oops, don't look at Russia. But Germany and Japan did internal changes...maybe also Viet Nam? South Africa, to quite a large extent. If things get too bad and too deadlocked, maybe...

Except that the deteriorating state of the economy will make it difficult for any positive changes...

I'm depressing myself now...

Time-Being - where are you? I'm in Canada, and really distressed at the state of things for friends in the U.S. We have a good system, and a quite simple one. I don't understand why Americans don't rise up and demand that kind of system for themselves.

BOKO - When all the old, poor and sick have died off, everything will be copasetic.

Zuma - the spectacle of Repubs fighting so hard against their own ideas when Obama and the Dems took them up is very revealing. Demonstrates that they have ZERO interest in the welfare of people, only in their games. (And hatreds.)

Rick - If only the kind of enthusiastic grass-roots (and more) movement that swept Obama into office could happen for a third party (with a good program). I'm afraid (yes, fear) that a third party would hand the Repubs yet more power...
It doesn't matter how many make demands if we vote for people who make laws against us. They make the laws because they can. They only need us for votes. Every time I talk to someone that might vote for progress they are afraid not to vote for the status quo.

Rick is right, we keep sending the same people back and expecting them to respond to our letters. Obama will be re-elected and nothing will change. Except that more people will die.

I know I'm too pragmatic but it is what it is. I expect we will need widespread suffering before people exchange their fear for something potent. That's what's wrong with us, still not enough reality.

Great post. Thank you.
I was telling someone that the government mandates things all the time. A newborn baby gets three things; a nametag, a birth certificate and a social security number. The purpose of the social security number is track his or her wages so he/she can make the "mandated" contribution to the "mandated" social insurance program called Social Security. I named a number of mandates and was told "well, that's different". It's like an illness.
l'Heure - right, they'll ignore letters. If you try to occupy the offices, they'll haul you away. Depressing...

Fay - Yeah, a sickness: health care needed for the national psyche as well as the citizens...