JULY 2, 2009 9:40PM

Marines Go On The Offensive In Afghanistan

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In what's being described as the biggest US military operation since Fallujah, the Marines moved into Helmand Province today in massive force. Over 4000 troops, supported with armored columns, hundreds of Afghan government personnel, and the largest assault airlift by the Marines since Vietnam, pushed into the Helmand River Valley. Dubbed Operation Khanjar, the offensive is designed to take the fight to areas where the Taliban have never been challenged. One Marine has been killed and several wounded so far. 

In a statement issued by the Marines, Brigadier General Larry Nicholson said "What makes Operation Khanjar different from those that have occurred before is the massive size of the force introduced, the speed at which it will insert."  In a departure from previous US and Nato offensives,  the idea is that the troops will remain in place, "and where we stay, we will hold, build and work toward transition of all security responsibilities to Afghan forces," said Nicholson.

This is the first test of the Obama administration's attempt to transplant the "clear and hold" strategy used in Iraq to Afghanistan. In an AP interview, Obama said he has a "very narrow definition of success when it comes to our national security interests" in the region. "And that is that al-Qaida and its affiliates cannot set up safe havens from which to attack Americans. I think we can measure it by whether or not they've got training camps where people are coming in and getting trained in explosives, being sent out and directed in carrying out terrorist activity."

Our military presence in Afghanistan is growing daily, and the total number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan will reach 68,000 by year's end. That's double the number of troops in Afghanistan before the build up began but only half as many as are still in Iraq.

 

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Half the world's annual output of opium comes from Helmand; we NEED that opium, or at least I do.
Man, I can let you have some percocet if it would end the war. What do you think of this offensive? Does it do any good as long as the Taliban can move to Pakistan?
I did opium while serving as a cop in the Air Force. I flew many missions over Disney World.
Seriously, I hope they find the missing marine...
Most (sorry I missed the %) of the world's legal supply of opium comes from Tasmania as I heard on the CBC this week. It has been said that the illegal market in Afghanistan could be converted to a legal market and benefit the locals to a large degree and take power away from the Taliban. I am thinking that there are countries who do not support changing the status quo on this one.

An interesting post Jeff. While I despise war and the war in Iraq in particular, I have a grudging support for what is happening in Afghanistan. As you know, Canada has been there since the beginning. We fully support our troops. This region has so much history and heartbreak that it is hard to know what is right. I really, really, really hope we find the right mix this time.
I have trouble getting my head around a number like 68,000 troops there and twice as many in Iraq. I wish I had more confidence that our government is in the right on this. For me it is a matter of hating war no matter what the reason. We old hippies used to say "make peace, not war". I keep thinking there should be some way to make peace without war. Dreamer, I guess!
Whether or not we're doing the right thing over there Janie, the Canadians have been among our staunchest allies. It'll be interesting though to see if "clear and hold" will have any applicability in Afghanistan. And did you say Tasmania?

Mr. Mustard, going off what I know of Taliban treatment of prisoners, we're not likely to find the guy alive unfortunately.

And Sirenita, the word is that the Pakistani military is deployed all along the border south of Helmand to catch the Taliban as they flee. And Santa Claus is real:)
We NEED to be in Afghanistan. From a Washington Times article:
"Pakistan's top Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, is buying children as young as 7 to serve as suicide bombers in the growing spate of attacks against Pakistani, Afghan and U.S. targets, U.S. Defense Department and Pakistani officials say.

A Pakistani official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said the going price for child bombers was $7,000 to $14,000 - huge sums in Pakistan, where per-capita income is about $2,600 a year.

"[Mehsud] has turned suicide bombing into a production output, not unlike [the way] Toyota outputs cars," a U.S. Defense Department official told reporters recently. He spoke on the condition that he not be named because of ongoing intelligence efforts to catch Mehsud, a prime target for a U.S. and Pakistani anti-Taliban campaign."
To further clarify, we can use Afghanistan border areas as a staging point for strikes at the Taliban in Pakistan. (Yes, we will have to hit Pakistan if we want to eliminate the Taliban)
We need that opium... but
that Taliban mentality has got to go.
Will be interesting truly to see how much ass we put behind the words
clear and hold.
I will say this in all sincerity. If we are there, instead of sitting with our thumbs in our asses on the defensive or carpet bombing villages killing innocents, at least we should go on the offensive and hopefully stop the bad guy acid throwers and hopefully move toward an end.
Sorry if I'm off base with your post Jeff. The Taliban do have to be stopped. They should have been the primary and only focus under Bush, but of course that would have made too much sense.
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RW, I predict we're going to be on the ground in Pakistan, somewhere like Waziristan probably, before the end of the Obama administration. And yes; the use of child bombers is despicable.

And hi Sharon:) 'Make peace, not war." There's nothing wrong with dreaming, especially if we're willing to stand up for it. I just wish Bush hadn't left this legacy for Obama, and the rest of us, to deal with. It'll be a long time 'til we're at peace again and that sucks a giant one.
I wasn't saying yay or nay in the post Blue, just getting some facts out there. And yes; Bush dropped the ball big time on this one. It's arguably one of the biggest strategic blunders in US history.
Hopefull they'll be able to do this without 'collateral damage'. I'm guessing that the civilian population isn't as dense considering its a valley instead of a major city like Fallujah.
what am I? chopped liver? This is the second time to day one of my comments has been ignored. Sheesharoni...now I am getting a complex.

~sigh~
doh!!

*neverminde* (said in a Rosanna rosanna Dana voice)

*walks away sheepishly*
janie, *I* will never ignore you like Jeff has. How rude of him. I hope he has a good explanation.
Tasmania is the world's largest producer of opium alkaloids for the pharmaceutical market. Standards placed on the industry by the Federal, State and US governments are stringent with very high levels of scientific expertise necessary.

http://www.launc.tased.edu.au/online/sciences/agsci/alkalo/popindus.htm

all caught up now

The industry is highly efficient. It produces about 50% of the world's concentrated poppy straw (CPS) for morphine and related opiates from merely 10.7% of the production area. (Concentrated Poppy Straw is actually the extracted opiates crystallized out of solution, not the poppy heads and stalks in the photo.)

Other major players are Turkey with 23% of morphine CPS, France with 21% morphine CPS and Spain with 4%. India, by contrast, produces traditional opium from which the US extracts opium alkaloids. India's morphine production is similar to Tasmania. Tasmania has an alkaloid yield of about 9.3 kg/ha compared with France at 7.0 kg/ha, Spain 4.9 kg/ha and Turkey at 1.1 kg/ha.

Most of Tasmania's exports are codeine, thebaine and other opiates. GlaxoKlineSmith exports to Port Fairy poppy straw which is processed to produce norphine, codeine and thebaine.
thanks Nat...love you, but apparently I am not reading too well. did you know about Tasmania and their opium production? Well, of course you do; you are brilliant and well read.

Have a good day sweetie.
I think this is the best course of action in Afghanistan. We need to get things set up so that the people who live there can take care of things themselves. We've got to set up safe havens for them, and then train them, arm them -- well, actually, we don't need to because they all probably have AK-47s -- and then when they're ready, we leave and they take care of themselves.
Janie, I knew that Tassie was the largest supplier of opium for pharmaceutical purposes. They're REALLY weird down there.

And I love you too :D
Damnit, Jim, I'm only an opium dealer!


I don't know why I flashed on Star Trek above. And what think you of the military action, Nan?
This is crazy!!! They need to just bring our men home.
Great post..
"I chose a bad day to give up heroin." from the movie Airport.

I'm of two minds Delia. This is being heralded as a new thing for our strategy in Afghanistan. Instead of going in, killing the Taliban, then leaving, we're going to go in, kill the Taliban, and stay, with the goal being to buld close relations with the locals and eventually transition the area to governement control. It worked fairly well in Iraq, but I'm not sure if it necessarily will get traction in Afghanistan.

Tony; I hope it plays out that way.

And Janie; why do you know so much about opioids? I do trust your figures, but I was referring to the illegal trade in opium for heroin production, not legal opium for the pharma industry. A larger quantity of legal opium may come out of Tasmania and such places, but I doubt it makes as much money as the illegal, Mafia-bound kind from Afghanistan. Which is yet another good reason to de-criminalize drugs in my opinion, but that's something for another p0st:)
I just found the story on the front page of the New York Times Web Site -- beneath two articles about Michael Jackson and Neverland.
Steve, that's both hilarious and deeply disturbing. What's a little old invasion which heralds a major escalation of a possibly unwinnable war compared to breathless reports about the Michael tragedy?

Thanks Fireeyes, and bringing our guys and gals home would be great. Don't hold your breath though.
Thanks for the info people... I'm having a hard time finding real news, due to the death of Michael Jackson... did you guys hear about that?
nan - I worry that no military strategy is going to work in the Middle East. In the case of the Middle East, it's simply too little, too late. Attempting to Contain the blowback created by decades and even centuries of terrible judgment and horrific foreign policy on the part of the "West" is like taking a fly swatter to a swarm of pissed off Africanized bees.
Too bad the fool who thot he was king didn't stick with the original objective years ago -- all our boys would probably be home celebrating the 4th.
Informative post. I said on 9/15/2001 that we needed a Marshall Plan for Afghanistan. Maybe this will happen now?
And by the way, as long as the Pakistanis deem a marriage to a first cousin to be the ideal (65% reach the ideal last I heard), I suspect that country will continue to present problems to the rest of the world.
Tom, Pakistan is the source of a lot of the dysfunction in that part of the world, there's no denying it. If we're going to succeed in Afghanistan, it's only going to happen by addressing Pakistan's problems as well. I doubt if we'll be able to do anything about the cousin thing though:P

M B; thanks, and major investment in Afghanistan, not just military help, is definitely going to be needed. What's so maddening about this is that Bush had a window after 2001/2002 where it would have been relatively easy to fix things, or at least improve them to the point where it wouldn't be the mess it is now, but he chose in his wisdom to funnel all our resources towards invading Iraq instead.

Bob, it does seem like an insoluble mess. It may BE an insoluble mess. Dubbya left us a massive clusterfuck over there, and as you point out, the clusterfuck was going on well before him. For one thing, there likely wouldn't even be a Taliban or Al Qaeda except for policies pursued by the US during the Cold War. We were so fixated on swatting the Soviets that we didn't even bother to think about the nature of the monster we were creating.

And Jay, I know, I don't know what I was thinking, writing about something that's not Michael related:)
Damn you nanatehay, who cares about wars and drug trades and shit like that, did you hear, Michael Jackson's will was released today!! OH GLORIOUS HLN AND CNN, HOW COULD I EVER LIVE WITHOUT YOUR STORIES.

:)

Anyways, --- 1st off, if we had to get into a war, at least Afghanistan there's a target that actually had something to do with attacks on our ass, on our own blessed red, white and blue soil, fuck this lets love them, we got stuff to test, weapons of mass destruction that were designed and built in the U.S. of Fucken A brutha, and they need to be tested. Big Bomb of Destruction ain't doing no good just sitting in some warehouse, it needs to be dispensed from the ocean, to ram into some hide out of some of those Tailiabans or whatever the hell they're called!

Damn the civilian casualities, we'll give them a five minute warning to get the fuck out of Dodge and then we release the dogs of War, level the mountains down to a nice smooth parking lot and put up some Walmarts and Big Burgers and stuff.

Yeah, I have been hanging out with my neighbor across the street again, why do you ask? ;')

Seriously, war is a killer of generations. To me, we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. We should have just used our Super Killer Laser Canon in the nose of Abrahama Lincoln of Mt. Rushmore, destroyed those countries completely that oppose us in our pursuit to shove democracy down their throats.

"Don't want democracy? Or allow us to take your drugs? Well take this Spain!" ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzZZzzzzzzzz!!!

:)
If the issue was about response to 9/11, then Afghanistan would make more sense than the diversion into Iraq. However, sometimes it can be difficult to assess what the real issue is for the politicians.
Responding to your response to my comment (is your head spinning yet)
It completely sucks. When Obama was elected I was hopeful and so happy I cried for hours and deep down I knew some of the tears were because I felt so sorry for him.
I don't believe in God as most people know "it" but I feel a force which seems to flow between people and unites us into the mass of humanity. I believe we can send positive energy to people. Yes I'm a bit weird.
After reading your reply I realized that we need to send as much positive energy his way as we can because he is chin deep in a mess of shit.
I know Tink; if I wanted a chance to make EP and cover, I should have included Michael, Farrah, Billy Mays, 0r AdSense, preferabbly all of 'em, in my title. Let that be a lesson to me, and of COURSE we needed to blast Spain with Lincoln's nose laser. Those bastards knew the risk, and they should never have tried to kill Teddy Roosevelt that day on San Juan Hill.

Jon, thanks for visiting. You say "sometimes it can be difficult to assess what the real issue is for the politicians." Absolutely right, and the fact that they ordinarily are lying through their teeth doesn't make it any easier:)

Sharon, you're right; Obama (and the rest of us for that matter) are chin deep in a mess of shit. Afghanistan's only one of the disasters left to us by Bush and Cheney and the rest of the assholes, who if there was any justice should be tried as murderers and traitors and war criminals.
Jeff, I don't know much about opiates, unless you include chardonnay in that. Actually, I've heard many discussions on the CBC since our troops have been in Afghanistan about how to help the locals make a sustainable living. Right now they are forced by the Taliban to grow drugs for the drug trade. They are not the ones getting the big bucks, but they do get to keep their heads if they are lucky. We have tried to get them growing some other staple crops, but they are really good at growing poppies there it seems. So with the right motivation internationally, we could create a sustainable economy in that country by helping farmers find legit markets for their crops. I don't honestly know what we are waiting for.
The replacement of opium with other high profit per acre crops is definitely something that needs to be pursued more agressively, along with other non-military programs to help Afghanistan move out of the shambles of narco-terrorism, corruption and death it's fallen into. I've heard saffron is one alternative to opium with a lot of potential.
Jeff, even finding legit markets for the opium they are experienced in growing would be a great first step.
But, if they did find a legit use for the opium, you'd be putting hundreds if not thousands of war chiefs, drug lords and others out of business.

People, think of the drug lords and war chiefs when discussing such plans, what would we do with this folks?

Ship them off to California and New York to become new gangsta rap icons?

Hey, not a bad idea!! :)