MAY 15, 2010 3:37PM

George Bush And Disaster: A Drano Milk Shake

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“As far as history goes and all of these quotes about people trying to guess what the history of the Bush administration is going to be, you know, I take great comfort in knowing that they don’t know what they are talking about, because history takes a long time for us to reach.”— George W. Bush, Fox News Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008

In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success. 

“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

“George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of the most distinguished historians.  “He knows how to make the very rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up everything else he even approaches.  His administration has been the most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self-righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American history.”  (From History News Network)

 

I was discussing George Bush on a  blog site (not OS) recently and  made the following comment:

Shrub's not particularly stupid but he's not particularly bright either. What was actually more notable about the man during his time in the White House than his IQ or lack of it was his disengagement from the day to day activities of his job, from the processes of governance. He didn't want to be bothered by details, or absorbing large amounts of information, or thinking on more than one level about things.  He didn't like being bothered by many of the activities his job entailed in fact, which is only natural in a man so lacking in intellectual curiosity, a man who was proud to mention that he rarely if ever even bothered reading the newspaper. When you combine all that with the fact that Dick Cheney definitely was interested in the processes of governance, the result was one of the more unusual presidencies in American history, and arguably one of the most disastrous.

Someone on the site took exception to my remark, and among other things asked me:  

What exactly was that disaster that happened under Bush?  

After I finished laughing, I thought about answering in a comment, but decided it would take too much space on someone else's page,  and that's without even mentioning the way W inherited a huge budget surplus but left us with crippling deficits, the steadily widening gap between the haves and the have nots in this country, the increase in levels of poverty, the erosion of civil rights, the rolling back of environmental legislation, the fact that we're more polarized a nation than we've been since the '60s, and oh by the way a near total economic meltdown. 

Anyway, I've put a little thought into it since then and below is my reply, at least part one of my reply. It would take a post longer than this one to enumerate all the ways in which George W. Bush was a monumental failure.

What exactly was that disaster that happened under Bush?  

Oh my, where to begin? The one that leaps to mind first is the wars. 

After 9/11 we went into Afghanistan, which was only natural. There are those who say we should never have gone there but they're wrong;  that's where the people who'd hit us were, and there was no way we were not going to go for them. Things went well initially and the Taliban were soon driven out, though Don Rumsfeld (and this is one  instance among many where W should have been making the decisions himself rather than letting underlings set the agenda) erred badly by not inserting a battalion or three of Rangers to close the back door when we had Bin Laden at bay at Tora Bora. If they had used US forces rather than local warlords to block the escape routes into Pakistan we might not be engaged in the drone war in Waziristan right now, might not be bogged down in Central Asia at all in fact.  Worse than letting Osama go though was the decision, taken sometime in spring of '02 and possibly even earlier, to invade Iraq. There was no strategic or logical reason to attack the Iraqis. None. They had nothing to do with 9/11, they had no real WMD capability, as our intelligence community well knew, and many in Bush's own government, people who knew what they were talking about, advised Georgie in no uncertain terms that invading was a really bad idea. He went ahead with it though, largely because that's what Cheney said he should do.

The rest as they say is history. The Neocons and other chicken hawks had visions of an Iraq transformed overnight by the might of American arms into a shining beacon of democracy, of an Iraq serving as an example of what other nations in the Middle East could and should become. They imagined a grand domino effect of freedom and Western (especially American) values cascading from Iran all the way to Libya and beyond. The reality has been somewhat different, to say the least. What have we gained as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom? What have we lost?

The first casualty of the decision to invade Iraq was our mission in Central Asia.  Once we'd decided to get Saddam, resources and focus which were necessary to stabilize the situation in Afghanistan were no longer available, with the result that our policy there became one of just muddling along and hoping the Taliban wouldn't be so ungentlemanly as to make a comeback. Rather than working in a serious manner to help build a viable government,  we were reduced to relying on Hamid Karzai and assorted drug kingpins and warlords as allies. As anyone who has followed events in Afghanistan has seen, that hasn't worked out so well, and the result is that nearly nine years on from 9/11 things are worse than they've been at any time since winter '01-'02.  The bottom line is that if we hadn't decided to invade Iraq, it's very unlikely that we'd be bogged down in Afghanistan right now. George Bush took his eyes off the ball, and we're still paying for that today.

In Iraq, the invasion itself was a masterpiece of planning and of superior American technology and military science. Within weeks we were storming Saddam's palace in Baghdad, and Hussein himself had slunk off into the shadows. The thing is though, as Colin Powell told W before the invasion, "Once you've broke it, you've bought it." We'd been told by the Neocons (who had it on good authority from fellows like Ahmad Chalabi and others on the Pentagon payroll) that the Iraqis would welcome us with flowers and dancing in the streets, but that didn't happen. Even as our commander in chief made his victory speech, dressed in his heroic flight suit and standing in front of a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished",  an insurgency was growing in Iraq, one which continued to worsen for several years and which tested the US military to near breaking point. Though a change in tactics on our part, coupled with what's now called the Awakening movement among Iraq's Sunnis, allowed us to narrowly avert defeat, the net result of all the blood, treasure, and effort (not to mention all the dead Iraqis) we've poured into Iraq  has been a long way from what anyone with any sense would call victory.

Why isn't it a victory? Saddam is gone, AQI has largely been defeated,  and there's a fairly democratic regime in Baghdad, so we won right?

Well, not really.

George Bush famously referred to Iraq once as a member of a supposed "Axis of Evil." The other two members of the triad were Iran and North Korea. So what has transpired with this Axis since W made us aware of it in 2002?

Iraq: Of the three members of the Axis, Iraq was far and away the weakest, and most of the world's intelligence agencies knew that they posed no strategic threat to the United States. Or to anyone else really.  Yet we invaded, and seven years on, after trillions of dollars spent, after thousands of American and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives lost, the net benefit to us is the installation of a government in Baghdad that is somewhat democratic. There are some who argue that having Iraq as a platform for US bases has enhanced our strategic posture relative to the Persian Gulf and its vital oil reserves, but that's nonsense. We already had such a platform in Kuwait and some of the other Gulf states.

Iran: Since our invasion of Iraq seven years ago, Iran's position has actually grown stronger. Though they were at first somewhat shaken by the ease with which we overthrew Saddam, they regained their cockiness after they saw us becoming mired in a vicious insurgency/civil war. As we've bled ourselves in the sandbox of Iraq, Tehran has grown ever more confident that it's safe from the US military, has grown ever more assertive in the region, and it is now generally understood that we're a year or so from Iran being able to produce its own nuclear weaponry. Operation Iranian Freedom anyone?

North Korea: Since W's Axis of Evil speech, the North Koreans have demonstrated that they have a nuclear capability, albeit a limited one. They've also proven that for the right price they'll help others to build their own nuclear programs. Yet Kim Jong Il was given pretty much of a free pass by the tough-talking Bushies. Why? Because messing with North Korea didn't sound as fun as toppling Saddam I guess, and because most of our attention has been on Iraq, and now on an increasingly dangerous Islamist movement in Central Asia.

So much for the Axis of Evil.  Operation Iraqi Freedom succeeded in eliminating the least threatening of the three, while allowing the other two to become more dangerous.  Nice work Georgie.

There have been other consequences as well.  The Russians and the Chinese and, well, everyone, watched closely as we leaped into Iraq, and they watched even closer as we faltered and floundered and bled there. The net result has been a growing consensus among world powers that the US and its vaunted military aren't quite as scary as everyone thought. There's also the troublesome fact that the readiness and general ability of the Pentagon to respond to an unforeseen crisis elsewhere in the world has been severely compromised by years of grinding attrition in two wars.

Another result of going into Iraq has been that we've surrendered the high ground in the view of much of the world community. America talks a great game about the rule of law and so forth, but actions speak louder than words, and we've demonstrated to the world that as far as we're concerned, using naked power to accomplish your goals is OK as long as you have enough naked power. In other words, we've proven ourselves to be hypocrites and thugs. Some people relish the notion of others fearing us, and I guess it's a good thing when the bad guys are afraid, but we've combined our thuggery this time around with a fairly large amount of incompetence, so the message has become "The Americans will attack like a rabid hyena when it suits them to, but don't worry, they aren't that good at it."

Does all this constitute victory or disaster? For some, that will depend on which side of the political spectrum they come from. Most objective observers though agree that invading Iraq was at best a mistake made with good intentions and at worst one of the greatest strategic blunders of the last half century or so. I tend towards the latter view myself, but I'm guessing you've already noticed that.

 

(first image from About.com, second image from http://bringontherevolution.blogspot.com/)

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This is too long a post isn't it? I tried to keep it short but there's no way to describe Bush's failures in a soundbite.
Excellent perspective.
This was more informational than any news program has given in a long time.
Thanks man
rated
Wait, There are other sites?
Bush... mendacious?
victory or disaster?

HA!

OK righties... the bait has been cast. Come and get it!
Lord love a duck; don't put that in the anthology of ignorant looking comments. Wait period.
so THAT'S where you've been!! dontcha know that's not allowed? sit yourself down in front of that keyboard and type "I will only click on ..."

i love when you get all political and write intelligent, grammatically correct and sublimely punctuated stuff for the edification of someone foolish enough to ask a question that stupid. nice work, jeff.
Excellent work here, nan. xox
Well, at least their oil paid for the war. There is that. *sigh*
I quit doing Zumapicks because forgetting to do them might hurt feelings.

But here it is: ZUMAPICK! This is one of the best articles and summaries of events during the BA, ever.

" They imagined a grand domino effect of freedom and Western (especially American) values cascading from Iran all the way to Libya and beyond."


Isn't it ironic that, 40 years ago, we lost all of those lives while trying to stop the domino effect of communism?
Robin, you know you love bush. Loved Bush that is. Heh.
Thanks Mical. It was helpful to me, dissatisfied as I am with a lot of what the Obama administration is doing, to remember in detail how surrealistically BAD the Bush administration was. There are many who claim that Obama is just Bush II, but any close examination of the two presidencies makes it plain that such a belief is pretty much bullshit.

Stacy, I was surprised too. I used to break down the Internet into two basic components; Open Salon and porn. But it turns out there are actually sites which don't fit into either category; go figure.

I do hope someone from the Right side of the aisle comes by Trig.

Candace, the thing that puzzled me about the question was that it came from someone who was obviously quite intelligent and well-informed. I guess it's yet another case of someone who bases their world view on ideological bias rather than facts on the ground.

Thanks Robin:)

Scanner; yeah, it didn't work out quite that way did it?

Zuma, as I was writing this, the domino effect of communism so feared by hawks in the '50 and '60s was replaying itself in my mind. The failure of either domino effect to take place is illustrative of the way in which think tank policy dreamers and chicken hawks then and now choose to live in cloud cuckoo land rather than seeing the world for the way it really is.

Trig, way to keep the discussion moving!
Nana, I sure wish you had been around to write text books when I was convinced I hated history. I often wish I could go back just to repeat all the history courses I snoozed through. Well done.
Lezlie
It was a long post and well worth reading. I believe there is alot of hatred towards the US govt (including my own) because of the wreckless cowboy tactics of the bushies. No administration could have been worse for the country and its people. Im glad he is gone, but what a mess to clean up.

Just like the oil in the gulf stream.
Trig, no now! In true liberalo fashion, I feel sorry for the dude on the human level. As for bush bush, I do luvvvv it! xox
"shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

Yep, that about sums it up.

You're like that guy that sits in the back of class in a battered leather jacket and jeans all year, missing classes but acing the final and then saying something to me as we go our separate ways for the summer that makes me think, I shoulda paid more attention to that dude.
Rounding your horse and charging deftly into the past, you swing your mighty mace of reason and smash with violent victory a dead horse, a very dead horse.
"He really did suck" said the preacher at your side, and the Choir cheered.
Save for Billy Bob, who still had his hand up, asking why Jesus was being persecuted.
Bible Camp was cruel to the boy.

Rated.
Nan, it is great the way you wrote this without rancor. You clearly come from a strong POV, but didn't resort to hate language. In the legacy of Edward R Murrow....xox
That picture isn't 'rancorous?'
Trig, somewhat...but hardly the stuff we're used to seeing over Obama. Put a photo there of just plain Prez Bush, and this could make the 'legitimate press' whatever that is! xox
Well laid out argument. Next time I need to set a rightie straight on Shrub, I'll just point them here. Saves me some work in the edumacation of the masses.

That said, it WAS rather ungentlemanly of them to resurge.
It's good to see you Blind Dog. The oil spill is a disaster Bush and Obama both are complicit in. And if we're going to be perfectly honest, it's one we're all complicit in by allowing corporatocracy to nudge democracy away from the reins of power in this country. It couldn't happen without us letting it, though I'm sure there are many who would say otherwise.

Robin; me too!

Sandra, that's one of the nicest things anyone ever said to me!

Jonathan, thanks for the read and the comment.

Doug, I'd aver that the horse is still very much with us. Sadly, Billy Bob still views the world through the filter of lies fed to us for eight years by the Bush administration, and Billy Bob is legion. More important though than the fact that a depressingly large percentage of Americans STILL believe the Iraqis are who attacked us on 9/11 is that the legacies of the Bush era are with us today. We've got an imperial garrison sitting on bases in Iraq, are fighting a seemingly endless war in Afghanistan, and are killing people in Pakistan. Repercussions from past events don't end when the events themselves recede in the rearview mirror, they keep spreading like ripples on a pond, and we're still very much paying for the supposedly dead horse of the Bush administration. Plus the question, "What exactly was that disaster that happened under Bush?" deserved answering in a more than perfunctory fashion. That motherfucking, draft-dodging, cretinous Texas frat boy pretty much ruined my country. That still bothers me; go figure.

Robin, where are the Edward Murrows in today's media? We need them.

Rancorous it is Trig, but it makes me smile.

The Taliban are nothing but a lot of first-rate cads Cappy! How very gauche of them to not just lay down and die.
They are right here, Nan, writing this post. We're the ones we're waiting for....xox
What Disaster?

Good grief, are they kidding???? The whole THING was a disaster!

And I agree--it's hard to telescope eight years of clusterfuck into a short post.
I like reading detailed posts that have a point. This was very comprehensive and I read every word. My blood pressure rose to high levels. I kept thinking about the question and questioner. What powerful drugs was he or she on?
Indeed, nanatehay, those ripples will be felt for quite some time. It is a shame, however, that the underpinnings of his creation, which were far worse than the cowardly puke could ever be, are still quite seriously in effect.

As for the turd you shut down, I am certain his legion of Billy Bobs will simply face that truth with the same beer stinking breath of ignorance that such strong and personal faith provides.

As a member of the Choir though, I do indeed applaud your noble effort.
The Internet is a game changer in some ways Robin. I love that someone like me, a carpenter, one of the great unwashed so to speak, can now write and rant and pontificate as freely as any journalist or academic.

Shiral, thanks for reading! Yes, there was no way I could fit my reply to such idiocy in a single comment.

Doc, that's the thing, this person, though rather unpleasant and obviously somewhat myopic, seemed to be a well-educated, intelligent person. No drugs beyond blind ideology were involved as near as I could see.

The underpinnings are very seriously in place Doug. I read a book a while back called "Democracy, Inc.", by Sheldon Wolin. Here's an excerpt from a review of it I found online:

Quote:

To reduce a complex argument to its bare bones, since the Depression, the twin forces of managed democracy and Superpower have opened the way for something new under the sun: "inverted totalitarianism," a form every bit as totalistic as the classical version but one based on internalized co-optation, the appearance of freedom, political disengagement rather than mass mobilization, and relying more on "private media" than on public agencies to disseminate propaganda that reinforces the official version of events. It is inverted because it does not require the use of coercion, police power and a messianic ideology as in the Nazi, Fascist and Stalinist versions (although note that the United States has the highest percentage of its citizens in prison -- 751 per 100,000 people -- of any nation on Earth). According to Wolin, inverted totalitarianism has "emerged imperceptibly, unpremeditatedly, and in seeming unbroken continuity with the nation's political traditions."

The genius of our inverted totalitarian system "lies in wielding total power without appearing to, without establishing concentration camps, or enforcing ideological uniformity, or forcibly suppressing dissident elements so long as they remain ineffectual. A demotion in the status and stature of the 'sovereign people' to patient subjects is symptomatic of systemic change, from democracy as a method of 'popularizing' power to democracy as a brand name for a product marketable at home and marketable abroad. The new system, inverted totalitarianism, is one that professes the opposite of what, in fact, it is. The United States has become the showcase of how democracy can be managed without appearing to be suppressed." Unquote.


Pretty much.
Nobody on this site that I have seen write or comment is going to have the smarts or guts to take you on. This is my favorite part of your contributions to OS.
..and yes, it's too long so I'm only going to read it twice.
What that hell kind of crack is that, AKA? Smarts or guts to take him on?

Apparently from your tone, you don't agree but you don't take him on either so I guess you were looking in the mirror.
AKA, thanks for that, though you're being far too kind. I do wish someone would come by and challenge the premise of this post though. We need more right wingers in OS, especially right wingers who can comment and reason coherently. There are some, Don Rich for instance, but not nearly enough of them.

And Cappy, lighten up man. Sheesh-a-roni!
Where is the large mind of McGarrett50 when we need him?
I didn't like the article. Too much Krugman/Dowd propaganda.
Now that's interesting. I'm going to have to read this book. Thank you for sharing the quote! That was very thoughtful.
Thanks for the read and the comment Holger. Krugman/Dowd propaganda you say? Since I rarely if ever read either of them I'll have to take your word for it. To me, the post reads like a pretty straightforward narrative of the events as they happened. Tell me, which parts of it do you think are false?

And Doug; it's one of the more insightful reads I've had recently about the state of democracy in postmodern America.
Impressive post Nana.


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I honestly don't think we would have survived another republican.
To be fair, Bush did say he'd change things.

Dub will be the historical marker for the decline of American power and prestige.

While revisiting the disastrous fustercluck that is Bush is like having a Drano milkshake, I think you did a fine, and even somewhat restrained review...in spite of Holden Waldenberger's detailed deconstruction.
Thanks for the read Larry. And my sound card's working now!

Agreed Kathy. I did actually consider voting for Mccain in '08, for a brief while at least, 'cause I used to respect him. Then he trotted out that Palin woman during the Republican convention and after I was done projectile vomiting I mailed off my ballot for Obama. I do wish though that the current administration would do more to distance itself from the policies of the Bush era. The more time that passes though the less likely it seems.

And Paul, it's great to see you! I'm still hoping that Mr. Waldenberger returns to show me the errors of fact or interpretation in this post.
I'm thinking of re-titling this post "Drano Milkshake."
Mr. Nanatehay..Hmm, some kind of Canadian name I take it. No matter.

I haven't been around this pinko web-site for a while so I thought I'd drop in for a dose of liberalism. Your expose' o'the Bush years is actually fairly well measured. He wasn't our brightest shining star. That's a given at this point.

BUT, may I remind you that the deficit that was once his is now OBAMA'S. Like it or not you closet cock sucker. I am sick of people saying it's all Bush's fault. Waaaaaaaaah and whiiiiiiiine!
OBAMA wants our guns! His spending on domestic bullshit is off
the hook. Who's going to pay for it all? I'll tell you who. Not you non-working libs who lay around sucking the tit of those who work. Oh no. It'll be BLOGojevich footing the bill. I'm waiting for that Nigerian bastard to raise MY taxes and be assured he has teams studying on how to do JUST THAT as we speak!

I'm not done with you. My hooker just showed up. Back in 5 commie.
Mr. BLOGojevich! Thanks for the comment, and I hope it goes well with the hooker. Make sure she's clean and above all, don't fall for that erotic asphyxiation routine again.
I ass fixiated her alright. Woo, I tell you. Half Guatemalan and half Norwegian. 100 percent professional. I can respect a person like her. SHE WORKS, and works well too. Says she even pays taxes, unlike the libs.

Mr. Canoodlerehay. You said "Another result of going into Iraq has been that we've surrendered the high ground in the view of much of the world community."

To which I say. DUH, and who gives a flying torpedo fuck about the pansy "world community?" We need to take care of our own, and to do that we need the oil in Iraq. If Bush could have got four more years Iraq would be the 51st state by now. If that had happened then we'd have plenty of oil and BP wouldn't have had to drill that mile deep monstrosity that blew out a couple of weeks ago.
Therefore, the gulf oil spill is 110 percent liberals fault. If you girls would have listened to Reagan we'd have a three term limit now and this country would still be free under Bush, AND we'd have an extra state... with OIL!
That girl bore a resemblance to Annie Coulter. Na. Surely not.
Looks like the libsite opensalon has turned into some kind of legalized opium den. You people condone drug dealing?
You're a sick fuck BLOGo; I'd rather mate with a cadaver than have to meet Ann Coulter. And yeah, OS has been transformed almost overnight from a blog site to the world's largest purveyor of bootleg Chinese drugs of questionable legality. It's going to take some getting used to but we need to just suck it up and smile.
51st state? WTF?
He's got a point Trig, we haven't had a new state since Hawaii. If I had my choice though I'd say we ought to invade and annex Nepal or Scotland, somewhere more picturesque and slightly less hellish than Iraq.
bush: unnecessary war obama: ' necessary' war
torture torture
secret prisons secret prisons
constitutional violations constitutional violations
assassinations assassinations
casual murder casual murder
abuse of english

there are differences, as you assert, although obama's 'necessary' looks like the 'wmd' of afghanistan to me.

the differences are not significant. main one is ability to craft and speak a whole sentence. his war-crimes would be enough all ready to hang a japanese general.

the gulf oil spill can be ascribed to bush, and cheney. but obama only 'discovered' the need for action after the disaster. health care turned out to be a bait and switch, he is willing to continue and expand the inroads on personal rights begun by dubya.

he never said: "if elected, i will hang dubya," because he intended to do the same. no one can be elected on a platform of pursuing war criminals in the previous government. the empire can not be turned, there is too much investment in the past. that's no excuse for not being clear-sighted about what america is.
Thanks for reading Al. To almost everything in your comment; yep. I do differ about your allegation that I'm not clear-sighted about what America is. The main difference between you and I in that regard is that you go around insulting people from your position of supposed superiority and calling for rule by referendum, whereas I think that it's a great notion but ultimately a load of pie in the sky silliness given conditions on the ground here. Please tell me, because I've never heard you realistically describe how it would come about, how will we achieve what you claim is the only path to democracy in this country? Not in the abstract please, but in concrete, realistic terms.
Alfred and George do share some similar facial characteristics. But that's where it ends. Alfred cared about people.
And Alfred made us laugh. Funny as the pic of W as Alfred up there is, I've never been able to laugh about him, unless it was as he was being mocked on the Daily Show for the absolute disaster that he's been for all of us.
As-Salamu Alaykum Mullah. I've seen you around OS before; when I Google your name I find that you were killed by a US airstrike in Helmand province in October '08. Were the reports of your death exaggerated or are you blogging from beyond the grave?
Yes! Thank you! Well said and much needed.
Excellent overview.

What galls me (among many other things) is how someone like Palin can talk about common-sense solutions when her party has (and still is) immersed in fantasy - fantasy that has consequences (tho, often, not for THEM).

What you've outlined is so obvious - hardly even verges on opinion, but outlines facts and, yeah, common sense. Why would even that 1.8 percent of historians disagree (unless they're the Very Very Rich of the historian community)? But even more infuriating, the person-in-the-street should be able to apply common 'commonsense' and see this.

Yet Republicans have gone even crazier...and Obama's tepid efforts to deal with the messes he inherited (including ramping up the totally stupid unwinnable war in Afghanistan) are denounced by these people as leading to (blah blah...)

Eh, off to eat some spam. Fried, with eggs, it's not so bad.
You rock, sweetface...keep fighting the good fight.

Soooo rated.
Further thoughts - You said, "I love that someone like me, a carpenter, one of the great unwashed so to speak, can now write and rant and pontificate as freely as any journalist or academic. "

I was going to say that a carpenter is more likely to have good opinions than a journalist or academic, who deal in words-words-words, and 'ideas', because a carpenter puts things together in a realistic way, so they don't fall down for starters, and based on real principles of physics, etc., plus utilization of what previous builders have worked out, etc. etc. Real world stuff.

But then I realized that the carpenters I know, including the ones who've done work for me, are as crazy in their non-carpentering lives as the (spit, shudder) academic fools I know. So one can never know (it was just one of those 'ideas').

Anyway, you seem to be a carpenter whose head continues to function off the job , and what you've written here should be in the NYT. Failing that, Huff might be a venue. Or Kos...

Loved Paul O'Rourke's comment - "Holden Waldenberger's detailed deconstruction", haha. Runner up: Trig saying, "Where is the large mind of McGarrett50 when we need him?"
This post is not too long! I read every word of it despite by exhaustion from writing an online course this weekend and lack of cooperation from my iPhone which kept freezing up on me.

This is an excellent summation of the failures of the Bush presidency and should be in the history books. Maybe it should be a book! Rated
Good reminder nanatehay. Thank you.
"OBAMA wants our guns!" I knew it blogo. Always worried about someone taking your little "gun," aren't you? That's what it always comes down to. So sad.
Birdog
No argument that Bush was a total disaster. So who elected him twice?
Thank you for the read Penrose!

Myriad, you're being way too nice. Regarding common sense, the average person in the street, though usually capable of applying common sense in their own lives, doesn't do that well when applying it to politics. Sure, they do such common sense things politically as voting for the candidate who they think will work for their economic interests and etc., but being on the main very poorly informed, and prone to believe lies and appealing sound bites (as witnessed by all the folk who just lurve Sarah Palin), as often as not they make poor choices. Of course, nowadays most of the candidates we have to choose from are poor choices, so it may be a moot point.

And if I have to eat spam with one more meal I'm going to boot.

Frogtown Diva, thanks for working your way all the way through this sucker:)

Berdina, BLOGo is a nutloaf, not to mention a sickening, foul person.

Thank you also Jan Sand. You're in Finland I see. I guess you weren't watching the news much in 2000, but there was this little detail - it made the headlines here, though apparently not in Europe - of Bush losing the popular vote and stealing the election. For that matter there was a fair amount of electoral skullduggery during the elections in '04, particularly in Ohio and Florida, the two states which W most badly needed to win. Even without the stolen election in 2000 and the problematic one in '04, I most definitely voted against Bush, as did tens of millions of other American voters in both elections.
Good God! Just as I finished that last comment the Jehovah's Witnesses appeared at my door! The front door was open so they knew I was home, and I'm pretty sure they saw me through the office window here, so I dropped to the floor and belly-crawled out of sight behind the file cabinet. They're gone now but it was a close call; luckily my dogs alerted me to their presence before it was too late.
They left some literature in the door:

HOW CAN YOU DRAW CLOSE TO GOD?

One of them was pretty hawt too, but that's always the way of it.
"BLOGo is a nutloaf, not to mention a sickening, foul person."

I may be sickening and foul, but I am NOT a nutloaf! Once again, 8 years was not enough time for Bush and Cheney to finish their work; the work of the American people. We as a country need to take over Iran too. These things take a minute and cost a little bit of jingle. We didn't have the jingle and therefore had to borrow from our friends in China. I say SO WHAT? Bush and Dick could have balanced the budget with the oil from Iraq and Iran combined. Hell by now we'd paying 50 cents a gallon for gas instead of wondering when the storm troopers will be at our doors to confiscate our GOD given assault weapons, and how long Obama will let us live before he sends us in front of the death panels.
I'd rather have storm troopers at the door than Jehovah's Witnesses, no matter how hawt. I dodged a huge bullet here; if they had caught me I'd have had to go into my "No thanks, I'm a devil worshipper" routine.
You see? Listen to Rob. That's America speaking. Eager to go out to butcher as much as is necessary to drop the price of gasoline. If damn near half the country hadn't voted for Bush the shenanigans to put him in wouldn't have made any difference. And apparently there are still lots of people in the USA happy with what Bush did to wreck the place.
You're making the mistake of viewing America as a monolithic block Mr. Sands, and of oversimplifying the situation. There are as many people (more probably) in this country who despise Bush as there are who supported him, and for you to claim that Rob here speaks for them is not only inaccurate, it displays a smug arrogance and moralizing self-righteousness I usually associate with fundamentalists and others with tiny, closed minds.
The pleasant side effect of a bit of butchery (which is afterall, necessary so we can afford to drive our kids to soccer practice) is a drop in world hunger. Less people to feed after we finish the business of the American people.
In other words Mr. Sands, your comments demonstrate something I've noticed for a long time; there are nearly as many idiots on the Left side of the spectrum as there are on the Right.

And BLOGo, butchery seems a small price to pay for our kids getting to soccer practice on time.
I'm just wondering why we haven't invaded Finland yet. They make some fine porno movies there.
The United States of Iran and Iraq? Hmmmmm.
And Finland. Finnish women are haaawt.
Very good!! Well written. Lively use of language. Informative.
I can't be sure, but I don't believe I've ever bought a Finnish hooker.

Where's that damned bucket list?
Thanks for reading Nolalibrarian!

BLOGo, are you ever not revolting?

And I just noticed something; I failed to respond to a couple of people up there in the thread who were kind enough to read this post.

First of all, to Lezlie; history should be interesting!

And GINNY ROSE!!!!! I haven't seen you around for ages, I hope things are going well for you my friend.

If there's anybody else I overlooked, my apologies. I usually try to respond to each commenter but sometimes I miss people.
concrete terms are easy:

you, and about 1/2 million other 'liberals' send the following email to your local candidates, the dnc, and news papers. repeat on the first of each month.

"i don't vote for the democrat party anymore. i will resume my support when you outline your platform to establish an effective and accessible power of citizen initiative."

are there 1/2 million liberals who don't regard this as too much trouble? dunno, but it isn't much trouble.

would citizen initiative make america a better place? dunno, but there's plenty of room for improvement.

is democracy a good idea? might be. war, torture, abridgement of rights has happened under the alternative. what's so wonderful about a president who can complete a sentence, if the sentence is " i have authorized faceless men to kill those americans they think should be dead?" i paraphrase for brevity and clarity. hard not to improve on that system, don't you think?

here's a little something from the news a few weeks ago, re-iterated by greenwald today. he's not much concerned about accepting conditions on the ground as they are. nor should you be.

"Barack Obama claims the right to assassinate Americans far from any battlefield and with no due process of any kind."
Sorry Al, but I don't consider myself to be a liberal, with or without quotation marks. Let's discuss this for a moment though, since it's the nearest I've seen you come to laying out what you think would be a game-changer. You say:

"you, and about 1/2 million other 'liberals' send the following email to your local candidates, the dnc, and news papers. repeat on the first of each month.

"i don't vote for the democrat party anymore. i will resume my support when you outline your platform to establish an effective and accessible power of citizen initiative."

Do you seriously believe, in a nation of 300 million, that a half million emails are going to make the Dems (or anyone else) see the error of their ways? Seriously? I asked for a realistic description of what could take us onto the path to democracy, not a letter-writing campaign. If that's the best you've got, I'll repeat what I said earlier; it's a bunch of pie in the sky silliness.
I would appreciate less attempts to smear Finland because of my comments. I am an American citizen living in Helsinki and delighted to be away from the vicious stupidity and brutality of a nation bent on impoverishing its citizens and uselessly and thoughtlessly demolishing innocent people and societies. My Finnish neighbors have nothing to do with my opinions.
Who was smearing Finland? I said Finnish women are hawt, so sue me. You on the other hand sir, regardless of your nationality, are an idiot. Just my humble opinion there Mr. Sand.
Preemptive War and U.S. Torture are what George W. Bush and Richard M. Cheney have brought us. I'm no "professional historian" but I sure as hell feel like one sometimes on the topic of W.

Some people still want to retain he is an "idiot" which is not quite right. He was too impatient for the job of president, but he was quite job at the job of grand puppet! Everyone knew it even during his years in office. Who doesn't remember the saying "Dick Cheney is running the White House" or "this is the first time a VP has been President in American History"?
I take note of your opinion and with great compassion and dismay consider its source.
Progressive Liberal, that was a huge part of the problem with Bush. He abdicated responsibility at the beginning of his presidency to Cheney, at least in those areas he wasn't interested in. And the only things he was interested in initially were "compassionate conservatism" and faith-based initiatives and huge tax cuts, mainly for corporations and the very wealthy. As the wheels started to come off the cart he became more of a hands-on guy and his administration became more effective as a result, but by then the damage had already been done.

And Mr. Sand, your great compassion and dismay are duly noted.
Such a huge job for the cowboy. Not stupid, but just... not a fit for a position that requires such focus and reasoning skills. I just wanted to tell you what a great job you've done with this, nanatehay.
I'm sure the citizens of New Orleans, Iraq and Afghanistan appreciate Mr. G.W. Bush's final integration of his capabilities and the USA in general is delighted with the results of Clinton's disassembly of the Glass Steagall Act and the smooth carrying on of Bush's policies by Obama. The seamless disintegration of much of the country's Constitutional concern for its citizenry is very noteworthy by us idiots.
He wasn't particularly stupid Amanda, but as you say, he was particularly unsuited to be president.

Mr. Sand, in my remark to Progressive Liberal I wasn't discussing the rightness or wrongness of Bush's policies. I was addressing the fact - and fact it is, as anyone who's studied his presidency knows - that later on in his administration he became less willing to listen to Cheney and others who had been allowed to set much of his policy. He became a better manager is what it comes down to, not a better man. Regarding Obama, you're absolutely right; he's done little or nothing to distance himself from Bush's policies, and in some ways - in Eric Holder's recent suggestion that they need to set limits on the legal protections afforded American citizens accused of terrorism for instance - he's proving himself worse than Bush. I must say though, that your assumption that you're the only person in the room who has noticed or is bothered by these things is tiresome at best and at worst is further proof of my earlier statement to you: you "display a smug arrogance and moralizing self-righteousness I usually associate with fundamentalists and others with tiny, closed minds." Your remark that Rob up there speaks for all Americans for instance is illustrative of where you're coming from, and it was then that I first realized I was talking to just another idiot who thinks he has a monopoly on morality and insight.
I never claimed to be unique in my appraisal of the US government, I merely pointed out that, despite the tons of funding behind the depressing policies of the country the responsibility for current policies and conditions still lies fundamentally with the voting population and if they are to stupid and badly informed to get a decent government it is their responsibility for the results. Government is a tool and a poor workman blames his tools.
N- the truth is just awful: add Bush pal Kenny-Boy's fleecing of California's energy economy with Enron. Folks, kill Cali and you kill the USA- what part of CALIFORNIA IS THE 5TH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WHOLE WORLD ISN'T CLEAR?!! BTW, even as it nears record cuts Cali's taxes overall still support the whole country ... another overlooked point- Cheney's overuse of shock and awe was amateur hour stuff, once the world saw us vulnerable on the ground we no longer instilled "awe"- just hate. Bush is the first true youtube prez, and, in hindsight, he will make Andrew Johnson look like George Washington.

rated.
Yes, Mr. Sands, and a tool (such as yourself) sees things in absolutes, which of course eliminates the necessity to think much. "Some Americans are bad. Therefore all Americans are bad. Quod erat demonstrandum." That's the refrain I've picked up from your comments, so I'll stick to my original thesis regarding your self-satisfied, holier-than-thou idiocy. Please tell me Mr. Sands, as a US citizen, do you give yourself a pass, or are you also a poor workman? If so, do you hold yourself in the same contempt you do your fellow citizens? I'm dying to know.

Oahu, thanks for the read and the comment. So you're saying we shouldn't let Cali just drop off into the Pacific? And yeah, the decision to invade Iraq, the whole shock and awe bit, kind of showed up our feet of clay didn't it?
If one is measuring GWB's success by the conditions of our country before and after his presidency, then "A Drano Milkshake" is a good assessment.

By another standard, GWB's presidency has been highly successful. Almost all of his major policies, our wars, limitations of civil liberties, favor for big corporate interests, environmental neglect, disdain for democratic government and accountability, violations of our Constitution, laws and international treaties (also our laws), almost all have been adopted by the presidency of Barack Obama. The differences between the two lie in less significant, cultural areas: abortion, stem-cells, gay rights, but even in this limited domain rhetoric is the major difference.

In terms of the intelligence of the two men, that is difficult to say. Obama clearly has had the more successful record in academe, but taking his perfomance, his choices in advisers and in policies, as a better measure of Obama's intelligence, there is good reason to question the standards of Columbia University, Harvard Law and the U. of Chicago (where Obama taught the Constitution - of all things!)

If GWB's presidency is measured by the degree to which it has been continued by his successor, then GWB's presidency was an outstanding success!
I remember well the protests over Vietnam and how at end the frightful lies and stupidities from the beginning to the end were perceived. It was the Vietnamese that chased the US out but there was lots of hell raised in the USA over the vicious stupidities. Where are the people in the streets today screaming at the loss of civil liberties, at the financial crooks that Obama is using for his advisers, for the reluctance to help the victims of the real estate gangsters instead of dumping thousands of billions of dollars into the guys who caused the collapse. People are glued to their computers shooting aliens and vampires and watching the abysmal stupidities on TV and screaming about who in government may be screwing a staff member while the country disintegrates. And you attack me instead of this fools asylum. I had sense enough to get away.
This item from the Slashdot site nicely illustrates the embracing of stupidity of the country which I fled.

suraj.sun picked up a Guardian (UK) piece on the Texas school board and their quest to remake US education in a pro-American, Christian, free enterprise mode. We've been keeping an eye on this story for some time, as it will have an impact far beyond Texas. From the Guardian: "The board is to vote on a sweeping purge of alleged liberal bias in Texas school textbooks in favor of what Dunbar says really matters: a belief in America as a nation chosen by God as a beacon to the world, and free enterprise as the cornerstone of liberty and democracy. ... Those corrections have prompted a blizzard of accusations of rewriting history and indoctrinating children by promoting rightwing views on religion, economics and guns while diminishing the science of evolution, the civil rights movement and the horrors of slavery. ... Several changes include sidelining Thomas Jefferson, who favored separation of church and state, while introducing a new focus on the 'significant contributions' of pro-slavery Confederate leaders during the civil war. ... Study of Sir Isaac Newton is dropped in favor of examining scientific advances through military technology."
Random but... I think Finland was voted #1 for "quality of life" in 2009.
Innocentvictim, thanks for the comment.

"If GWB's presidency is measured by the degree to which it has been continued by his successor, then GWB's presidency was an outstanding success!"

There's a certain backhanded, implacable logic in that. People thought - certainly, they hoped at least - that they would be getting an end to the Bush era when they voted for Obama. What we've gotten instead is a president who, while better spoken and smoother, has proven that he's not about to give up Bush's programs. This is the consequence of a two party system in which the two parties in question are mirror images of each other.

Mr. Sand, you say "I had sense enough to get away." Not everyone is in a position to get away sir, nor is it necessarily an admirable thing to cut and run. You go on and on about all the ways Americans don't measure up to your impeccable standards, but you still haven't answered my question: As a US citizen, do you give yourself a pass, or are you also a poor workman? If so, do you hold yourself in the same contempt you do your fellow citizens?
I didn't see you there Amanda. Yes, by all accounts Finland is a wonderful place to live. And the women are haaaawt!
Jan Sand: If I may suggest, the US is not the same country it was in the late 1960s. We were then, arguably, a republic with many democratic institutions. I believe that with and since the presidency of Jimmy Carter (then Reagan and WJClinton) many of those institutions have atrophied. For example, the two major parties now clearly serve the same constituency, corporate America and the MIC (military-industrial complex). Not only the institutions but the electorate, too, has changed greatly. The industries that used to employ American voters have shifted from manufacturing to service. Consumer goods are imported. Two industries that have grown enormously are finance and "defense". The broader base of manufacturing has withered as from cancer, and its former employees now work in "defense", if they are lucky.

The independence of the American worker is now history. Many workers depend now on our success as an empire in projecting military power in order to insure access to resources, such as oil.
Democracy is now a slogan. What counts are jobs and consumerism. No sane person is going to risk his future by being arrested and disqualified for a broad spectrum of jobs.

Finally, Americans know that they are powerless. Their representatives in Washington get their financing from the corporate world, and the voters have a choice between the incumbent of one party or the challenger of the other. But both represent the imperial America.

We see in the presidency of Barack Obama proof of the futility of our democratic pretenses: we voted for change and we received GWB, with a Harvard polish.
Innocentvictim: Yep. This goes back to part of a comment I made way up in this thread yesterday, which I'm not sure if people at this end of the thread have read. To wit:

I read a book a while back called "Democracy, Inc.", by Sheldon Wolin. Here's an excerpt from a review of it I found online:

Quote:

To reduce a complex argument to its bare bones, since the Depression, the twin forces of managed democracy and Superpower have opened the way for something new under the sun: "inverted totalitarianism," a form every bit as totalistic as the classical version but one based on internalized co-optation, the appearance of freedom, political disengagement rather than mass mobilization, and relying more on "private media" than on public agencies to disseminate propaganda that reinforces the official version of events. It is inverted because it does not require the use of coercion, police power and a messianic ideology as in the Nazi, Fascist and Stalinist versions (although note that the United States has the highest percentage of its citizens in prison -- 751 per 100,000 people -- of any nation on Earth). According to Wolin, inverted totalitarianism has "emerged imperceptibly, unpremeditatedly, and in seeming unbroken continuity with the nation's political traditions."

The genius of our inverted totalitarian system "lies in wielding total power without appearing to, without establishing concentration camps, or enforcing ideological uniformity, or forcibly suppressing dissident elements so long as they remain ineffectual. A demotion in the status and stature of the 'sovereign people' to patient subjects is symptomatic of systemic change, from democracy as a method of 'popularizing' power to democracy as a brand name for a product marketable at home and marketable abroad. The new system, inverted totalitarianism, is one that professes the opposite of what, in fact, it is. The United States has become the showcase of how democracy can be managed without appearing to be suppressed." Unquote.


Pretty much.
My pardon for using the excerpt, but it summarized the book far better than I ever could.
Would you say that Einstein and his fellow Jews who fled Hitler's Germany were cowards or would you concede that perhaps it was mere common sense that they saw impossible obstacles in spinning the country 180 degrees philosophically and felt the best policy is to run? The country is an economic and legal catastrophe and I have neither the charisma nor the fortitude to turn it around. The worst is yet to come with totalitarianism not too far away. I am fully aware of my limitations.
Jan Sand: I compliment you on having had the good sense to leave. The idea of staying in one's native country, no matter the turn towards tyranny, is a relic of the concept of nationhood. Nations, today, are the political servants not of their citizens but of multinational corporations and their elites. Just as feudal subjects of monarchs became, in the 18th and 19th centuries, citizens with allegiance to nation-states, so that allegiance is less appropriate now that nations no longer represent their citizens. This may not yet be clear because we have in the world a spectrum of nation-states whose lines are blurred by multinational corporate interests. We also have a few monarchical tyrannies supported by multinational interests and imperial nations, such as the US. My view is that Americans citizens have an obligation to obey the laws of the US, but allegiance? Would that be to "one nation, indivisible with liberty and justice for all"? Where is it?
Nanatehay: Thanks for the reference to Wolin's book. "Inverted totalitarianism" is as good a characterization as any. Yes, we have a citizenry, well indoctrinated by media and mythology, disciplined by the high price of activism or whistle-blowing, instructed by the disappointments of our Potemkin democracy, frightened by the prospect of unemployment and impovershment and threatened by the blowback from OUR government's acts of international terrorism.
Aside with my disappointment with the government in the USA I had very strong personal reasons for living in Finland. I married a Finnish girl and the marriage lasted 49 years until she died. The USA refused to help me in a disastrous medical problem with my son who was born in Tennessee and the Finns stepped in and gave him Finnish citizenship to help him enter the Finnish medical system. It's a wonderful country that is very concerned about its citizens.

There is an interesting article at http://www.counterpunch.org/wilkinson05142010.html that is worthwhile looking into insofar as world problems are concerned.
Jan Sand: Where, please tell, would a reasonable haven for a prospective expatriate be. I am now 77yo, in good health and would travel while the dollar is up!
If I had the means I might go to Australia myself. That's a pipedream for someone in my financial position, but it's OK to fantasize I guess. And the honest truth for me is that, yes, the US is going down the tubes, the damage may indeed be too far advanced to repair, but I'm not ready to give up on it just yet. I remember when it was a better place than it is now, and if the pendulum can swing one way, then it's capable of swinging back to the other.
I was extremely fortunate that the Finns permitted me to stay. It's not an easy place to find haven. I am 84 and grew up in New York and finally found the place so noisy and dirty and so unlike the place I knew in the 1930's that I could not tolerate it. I am no expert in the matter and it must be a very personal choice.
Well, at least the next president put a stop to all the bullshit. Oh wait...
Oh wait indeed Natalie. Can I sling my hammock in your back yard?
GREAT post! Been off of OS for awhile, but your page is one I turn to for 'what's happening' posts....Thanks!
Dragonlady! It's good to see you around, I hope you're doing well.
George Bush was a front man for the corporatocracy that runs this country. Barack Obama is also a front man for the corporatocracy that runs this country, though he's a smoother version than Bush ever was. This is all self-evident. And while there's no question that democracy isn't in good shape here, it does seem a little much to compare an American who decides to live elsewhere to Einstein and other Jews who fled Nazi Germany. Even a rudimentary knowledge of history will tell you that the two situations have very little in common. If you want to bugger off to Finland or Australia or Casablanca or what have you, fine, more power to you, but let's not make it seem like something it's not.
And you didn't even really get into the economic morass. not to mention the gutting of any regulation that would've kept us from having the recent oil spill or the mine tradgedy...Ack. There are still "W" stickers all over cars here - they make me mad every time I see them...
And no, I never said I could spelll.,...:)
Drew; word.

And Blue, the bumper stickers make me throw up in my mouth a little every time I see one.
His greatness will be missed by all chimpanzees.
Drew-Silla: Your few sentences on Bush, Obama and the corporatocracy brought to mind the differences between Bush and Obama as well as their regrettable similarities: Bush came from a wealthy family, already woven into the corporatocracy. Obama is from a middle-class family with an international background. His mother is described as an anthropologist. He had to win scholarships to attend college and law school. I don't know if he was a beneficiary of affirmative action as a black-skinned person. I believe he began Columbia College in 1979 and Harvard Law in about 1988. His coloration may have helped him in the competition for financial assistance. The point I am getting to is that one might suppose he would have been left of center in his politics, while George Bush would quite naturally fit into the Republican mold.

Because Obama is not, like Bush, predictably right-wing, the fact that Obama's policies as President have been a continuation of Bush's (no matter the finer rhetoric!) means to me that Obama does not have any allegiance to the ruling-elite; his policy choices have been and are governed by what he believes is self-serving. Obama is an adherent of the corporatocracy, because he seeks to have and hold power - not because he is defending his class. He has no natural membership in the corporate elite. Obama is purely a self-serving demagogue. Of course, if his policies fail, as they seem to be in Af-Pak, for example, the failure will simply be one of poor judgment on Obama's part: he chose the wrong horse.
Completely on the money, and I mean completely.
Thanks for reading LadyHistory. The person who conducted the survey is a professor of history at George Mason University, so I'm guessing he only asked professional historians to participate. You can read the entire article by clicking on the link in the post that says "From History News Network"

Innocentvictim, though there are many who'd vehemently disagree with your assessment of Obama as a self-serving demagogue, the more time that goes by the more accurate that assessment seems to be.

And koshersalaami; thanks for the read and the comment!
Hi nan,
sorry I missed this before - I don't think it was too long.
I don't think America has surrendered the moral high ground, either.
That sort of under-estimates the perspective the rest of us have, in a way.
It's clear what kind of an economy you have, and the troubles it's caused, but we see also that it's a beautiful country with high ideals upheld by at least half of the people who vote.
I'm for compulsory voting.
Here ( in Oz ) voting isn't just a right - if you're over eighteen, and you don't vote, you're fined.
Might sound harsh, might sound ( ironically ) undemocratic.
But the vote is a responsibility we share.
We pay close attention to America too. Where you go to war, we go.
I'm glad it wasn't N Korea - our ( and your ) relationship with China couldn't have withstood that.
Thanks for this piece, nan.
And just think--you have not begun to explore the errors of Bush, even with all this space.
Several years ago at Christmas, I gave some family members mugs with George H. W. Bush's picture on them. Beneath his face, one statement encapsulated the feelings of all rational people in our society: "I should have pulled out."
I might add to Your excellent analysis, Nana, as I've mentioned elsewhere:

With this vaunted military machine, the only two decisive victories I can recall, is blasting heavy metal music at a Papal refuge Manuel Noriega was granted. Noriega, a former CIA agent was about to go public with details of the guns for cocaine project which decimated much of inner city america.

The operation was called "Just Cause," and the just cause was to muzzle Noriega before he spilled the beans.

Several years earlier, reagan, invaded the tiny island nation of Grenada. This operation was dubbed "Urgent Fury," and the urgency was to get the typically inept american intelligence failure to prevent the suicide bomb attack in Lebanon which resulted in 241 american casualties off the front pages of the newspapers.



-R-