Naqib's Daughter

Naqib's Daughter
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Born and raised in Egypt, educated at London University, immigrated to the United States in the eighties. Author of two novels, The Cairo House, about growing up in a political family in Nasser's Egypt, and The Naqib's Daughter, about Bonaparte's occupation of Egypt in 1798. A collection of short stories, Love is Like Water, addresses in part Arab Americans post 9/11. Also published nonfiction on Islam, Egypt, women in Muslim societies, and terrorism. Have taught at university and in journalism. An editor of South Writ Large, an online magazine of stories, arts and ideas from the Global and US Souths.

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JUNE 23, 2009 10:09AM

Why all your comments are right, but...Freedom vs Justice

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The thought-provoking perspectives of the comments I'm receiving on my last post deserve a fuller response. I agree that Iran's electoral process- "democracy" is too loaded a word- is more advanced than that of most of the countries in the Middle East.  For one thing, "assembly" in itself is not illegal in Iran; under Egyptian martial law- operative for the past 30 years- an unauthorized "assembly" of more than 5 people is prosecutable.

Which is one of the reasons the Muslim Brotherhood are the best organized opposition; the government cannot prevent assembly in a mosque. By law, there are no religious-affiliation parties allowed in Egypt, specifically to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from contesting elections. That has not prevented them from organizing and fielding "independent" candidates.

On the other hand, the official, secular opposition parties have been completely emasculated by the regime; from the secular, like my late uncle's Wafd party and Ayman Nour's Ghad, to the left wing. As a result, only the Islamists offer a credible opposition, and they draw their appeal to the masses from that credibility even more than from Islamic symbolism.

Unfortunately, this state of affairs leads to one of two outcomes: the paralysis of a status-quo where the bogey-man of Islamist takeover prevents democratic reform; or a radical change to electoral reform that does indeed lead to an Islamic party coming to power. In the latter case, it is possible that an Islamic party in Egypt would be no more fundamentalist or oppressive than that of Turkey, and that it might yield in due course to other, secular parties. Possible, but there is no guarantee. And in Egypt's case, there is a sizeable Coptic minority that would be understandably nervous about such an outcome. It's also possible that a secular party migth win in a free election. At the moment, though,  there is none that looks poised to take advantage of free elections.

"Freedom" means different things in the context of Arab/Muslim culture. Justice is the concept that embodies all the virtues of government. Justice means rule of law; security and freedom from chaos; freedom from the arbitrary exercise of power by the ruling class; a minimal standard of living to maintain the dignity of the man in the street. The ballot box, in this concept of freedom, is never an end, and not always a means.

 

  

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We in the 'west' throw around the term "democracy" as a mantra, ditto "freedom", not a real concept - the way, as a negative mantra, Americans toss around the term "socialism".
""Freedom" means different things in the context of Arab/Muslim culture. Justice is the concept that embodies all the virtues of government. Justice means rule of law; security and freedom from chaos; freedom from the arbitrary exercise of power by the ruling class; a minimal standard of living to maintain the dignity of the man in the street. The ballot box, in this concept of freedom, is never an end, and not always a means."

It would be well worth while to take this conception of justice and compare and contrast it to the more "western" concept of justice and then further compare to the "de facto" justice as actually practiced in the respective cultures.

One point--the "security and freedom from chaos" phrase really struck me. In the Western concept (from the Greeks on) this is the root of government from which the more abstract concept of justice in all of its permutations extends (i.e. the protection of the weaker).

Very, very interesting.
it is no accident that a relatively modern secular society like iran came to be ruled by clerics. the shah, with savak, repressed all other associations. the moslem brotherhood may come to rule egypt for the same reason.

it's not that the cia is absolutely stupid. but they must justify their existence and drain in the treasury with some activity, and since they only have to please the president, they think in short time frames, as he does. so it's cloak and dagger, flying bombs and rentacrowd thugs. they may be at it again in iran, it quite resembles 50's activity.

freedom and justice can only be secure when the entire electorate are the sovereign power of a nation. rule 'by the people'...

while kings and presidents can direct armies and secret police, peace and security are only ever a mirage.
As always, I am utterly grateful to you for having a dialog about this. I consider you a more educated and insightful source than anything which passes of news over here in terms of the Middle East. Thank you for this post.