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MAY 2, 2009 9:16PM

What Does 'Beauty' Mean to You?

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 Miss Universe Australia finalist, Stephanie Naumoska

 

Australia recently held the annual Miss Australia pageant to select the country's representative for the Miss Universe competition. One of the finalists was Stephanie Naumoska, in my opinion an irresponsible choice. Contrary to reports from all over the world, Stephanie wasn't the winner of the competition, but she was indeed a finalist. These things don't usually interest me, but the controversy that surrounded this years entrants brought the pageant to my attention and got me thinking about society's perception of beauty.

Beauty pageants in general are an outdated concept. Women volunteering to stand up and parade around in bikinis to have their implanted, rhinoplasted, starved bodies and faces judged seems crazy to me. They're starting to all look similar, with hair colour being the only variation. It's sad and it's scary. These girls with their robotic smiles plastered on their faces are supposed to represent beauty in our society?

Models in magazines are airbrushed almost beyond recognition. Cosmetic surgery rates are soaring. People are risking cancer to be tanned, others are bleaching their faces to be lighter. Women especially seem to need to fight the natural effects of aging. Why don't men seem to feel they have to do this? From what I've seen it's because women in general are harsher on themselves and on each other. Not all women obviously, but enough of them to matter.

Physical beauty is subjective. What is aesthetically pleasing to me might not be to you. How much should it really matter? Can the way our eyes and noses sit on our face possibly make us better people? I don't think it can.

I'd rather see young women judged on their actions, if they're going to compete at all and I'd like to see it as publicised as a universal beauty pageant. Or better still, just a celebration of intelligence, humour, compassion and courage - these are the qualities I'd like to see in a role model for my daughter. These are the things that are beautiful to me.

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Right on! Totally agree! When shall we see a Miss Universe Community Service Pageant?
This young woman appears sick and underweight.

Do you not think so?

denese
about ms. naumoska; yikes!
about "a celebration of intelligence, humour, compassion and courage;" why don't we already have that?
That's a fabulous idea, Sarah.

Denese, she does appear sick and underweight which is what started the controversy. Stepanie claims she eats 6 small meals a day and has a very fast metabolism. Every time I look at the photograph, I'm amazed that her hair looks so healthy because the rest of her certainly doesn't.

JK, I look for beauty too. When I'm out and about I find it everywhere. Like you said, it's just rarely what I'm told is conventional.

Nana, I don't know. Maybe you should do something about it :)
Beauty comes from within. For all of us.
I think these young ladies should be seen as ill and not judged (not that you are Nat). We should feel for them just as we do a junkie or a alcoholic.
"If we had all been born blind, imagine who you might have fallen in love with". (my quote). Enough said. GREAT post, Natalie.
I will give the girl pictured above credit for this--she didn't get breast implants. Miss California (the anti-gay one) got them just before the pageant and the pageant PAID for them. It is like they are lobbyists for plastic surgeons. How can they pay the girls to get their bodies altered? They don't want different body types pictured, even if the girls got that far in the competition without breast surgery?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/miss-californias-breast-i_n_194385.html
The older I get, I more I notice how beautiful young people are. I'm talking about the kind of glowing vitality they possess, which registers an instinctual reaction in me, a recognition of their sexual vivacity. I find it interesting that when I was young, my perceptions were much more selective, more particular; now they all look beautiful.

We should not eschew this aspect of beauty, which is part of our heritage as creatures and which is a natural celebration of life.

It is this animal aspect of beauty (which almost everyone experiences in youth) which we all on some level or other long for when we begin to age and lose it. This is where artifice enters culture, to fantastic effect. I do not disdain the spectacular culture of artifice, which is typically judged and resented by puritans, who are generally uncomfortable with all things that are instinctual and which do not fall under strict, rational control. Like any art form, artifice can be extraordinarily effective or abysmally failed in the eye of the beholder.

All that being said I am not a fan of beauty contests which display young women in swimsuits, but only because I enjoy animal beauty in subtler, more sophisticated forms. Televised beauties filing along a stage to martial music under surgical lighting is not my idea of subtle.
Stephanie is underweight in a big way. And I bet the hair is actually a set of really great extensions.

It's terrible that she made it to the finalists' group because now a lot of young girls are going to adopt her unhealthy weight as their template. And I don't believe for a nanosecond that she eats 6 small meals, etc. etc. Unless she counts a meal as a carrot.
Yeah, none of those beauty / fashion people are beautiful or attractive to me.

My definition of beauty? My Wife.
She can have my sandwich. I just lost my appetite.
you're preaching to the choir here, sister. these things are way past their expiration date now. waaaaay past it. we are faced with enough images daily of what society calls beauty. it's challenging enough. and there is all kinds of beauty and there are all kinds of admirers for those kinds. thanks for sharing. love lvoe lveo
Somebody please feed that girl. Rated.
Geez, Nat! Don't they feed these girls? Looks more like Miss Anorexia than Miss Australia. Not meaning to be cruel, but this poor girl looks anything, but healthy. Isn't a pageant like a HEALTH and beauty pageant? That girl need to check into a hospital and get some fluids and some food in her.
I'm so against the pageants. Sure the girls are all Barbie doll perfect and I suppose most of them have been in pageants since they were two years old with those over demanding mothers that are trying to recapture what they could have been. Yuck. Give me a woman with some meat on her for crying out loud.
If I want to ride something hard and uncomfortable, I'll go ride my Harley. She acts up some times, but she don't talk back. (I kid, of course)
I nearly fainted the other morning when I saw one of the directors for the Miss California Pageant a) admit that, yes, they did help her pay for her breast implants; and b) call the event a "beauty pageant."
Cheers MJ. I'm with you my friend. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. And off topic, I'm sick and tired of people making fun of this Susan Boyle lady for her looks. Just another example of hypocrisy. I do know the definition of ugly is making fun of people for things they cannot help.
Greg, agreed. We don't place addiction up as something to be admired or emulated though, and I think that's the difference.

Cartouche, LOVE that quote. You have such grace and it comes across in everything you write.

Delia, I read about that. It's a bit dodgy that they invested in her before the competition, all other ethical objections aside.

Monsieur Chariot, I find beauty in youth too. Just like I find beauty in spring and probably for the same reason.

Odette, that was what I was trying to get across. I don't want my daughter growing up thinking this is healthy, let alone aspire to it.

MJ that's lovely.

Mrs Michaels, I don't think Stephanie and carbohydrates are friends.

Theo, diversity is what I love about people. The differences in what attracts us, the ability to see and appreciate what others might find displeasure in.
Thank you, Trudge.

Michael, we don't really have those child pageants here, but every time I see one I remember Jon Benet and it saddens me.

L&P, the hair just doesn't seem to match the rest of her. I wonder what it says about me that I first looked at her hair and nails to check if they were brittle as a sign of malnutrition.

Mal, I wasn't surprised at them calling it a beauty pageant. Beauty is what they're selling. Just not my definition of it.
Jeez, that girl needs to eat. No one can say THAT is healthy! Some ladies are naturally thin and thats fine, but this is way unhealthy.

This young lady needs some help.
not my type. brains, personality, and willingness to accept you for how you are... now that gets to me! --rated--
I found an old 1969 mag the other day, and there was this news about that year's Portuguese beauty queen. She had many qualities and assets, the news said, but by far and away she excelled... in the kitchen. I wish I was joking. "Yeah, good show with that being a scientist thing, but your cookies? Now that's an accomplishment". That said I don't know if I'm bothered by beautiful women wanting to show off their looks. It's the kitschiness of the whole show, and their mass-produced, generic appearance (as you also noticed) that I find so boring. I haven't' watched one of these show in years. Maybe it's one of those thing I enjoyed only as a kid, and dreamed of being a grown woman some day. Now I am.
Beauty? To me? Seems to come from the eyes.
And, the hands. Ohhhhh, the hands.
I agree with you on the qualities of a role model for all the little girls should be intelligence, humor, compassion and courage. Not for looking like everyone else with perfect faces and anemic bodies. Man! That finalist has no figure at all she looks like a sick stick.
Why do we think we have to torture our bodies to look better when we are all beautiful the way we are.
Great post and very well written I like your points of view and agree totally.
anorexia is not beautiful- shame on those judges
No argument here Nat. The thing about these beauty pageants is that they make money for the organizers. Nobody does things like this for free. I mean, we have these child beauty pageants the world over too, what's with that? Parental arrested development I think.

And this young lady was a finalist? She must have some real talent because she is incredibly emaciated looking? Denial all around, I guess.
I think she has alredy been embalmed and must be a zombie since she is still walking around.
you say that was the miss anorexic universe contest?
Fucking her would be like sleeping on a pile of coat hangers.
I saw her on one of the morning shows, quite indignant that she was being accused of being underweight but, honestly she should be swept off to hospital and not permitted to leave till she gains thirty pounds. Very sad and painful looking young lady who has a warped sense of what she should look like. My heart broke for her, but she was oblivious to the truth, trying to toss off concern about her well being by saying that she has a high metabolism... time to yank out the soft restraints and get her to eat something before she drops dead.
I'm tired of stick figures representing "beauty" - it just isn't natural, or healthy. Healthy is beautiful
Monsieur Chariot should be crowned for the greatest comment in the history of OS.
neilpaul, you just tied. great thread. great post, Nathalie. But I don't want to swing too far to the other side, and condemn people for what they do for beauty. As Neilpaul states, it is and ever shall be the state of affairs that many benefits accrue to the beautiful, so much so that many will undergo a lot - plastic surgery, or beauty pageants - in order to be counted among their number. Instead of condemning them, I'd like to see the pageants opened up to a wider concept and field. They say it's a scholarship competition, don't they? Why not replace the swimsuit competition with a "my ideas for cleaning up the environment' competition, with each presenting her audiovisual presentation on what she'd recommend and what the expected benefits are. Or why not have them play a round of Jeopardy , with winnings going to a charity funded by each winner's efforts during her reign.
I wish I was thin, but not that thin! I can't believe she won! I've always enjoyed watching beauty pageants for some reason, but as I get older, it's a little more difficult to watch. Perhaps it's because those types of shows remind me of how farther away I'm moving from youth.
I would love to see women judged on intelligence, humor, compassion, and courage as well, but to be honest, we have television shows that attempt that. There are female contestants on Jeopardy, Next Comic Standing, and Fear Factor...unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a show yet where contestants are judged on compassion. For some reason, no one is as interested in these shows. It's the same reason that athletic kids are almost always more popular in high school than kids that are smart...an attractive body is much more instantaneously and passively gratifying than an attractive mind. Plus, it's more exciting to watch someone play sports than watch someone take a test.
I am intelligent, have a great sense of humor, am compassionate, and am working on the courage thing. But all these qualities are just as subjective as the beauty one. Even though I have these things, I am very, very concerned with losing weight and have been for the past eight years. Just as some people don't find my body or face beautiful, some people don't find the things I say funny or the things I know about, intelligent.
I completely agree with the fact that this girl is clearly underweight and that 99% of women on these pageants are surgically enhanced and at least pretend to be mentally deficient. But maybe someday "real" beauty will come back into style. And people (like me) who have DD's and the actual rest of the body that comes with them can be on those shows. Because as of now, these women look like nothing more than a bunch of different body parts stuck together on a skinny template: little nose and big lips, big boobs, tiny waist, tiny hips, and long legs. Those things don't typically come together on real people.
What's really scary is that the camera adds ten pounds. She
looks like a corpse or concentration camp survivor.
Not my idea of beauty either. He where I live in Africa the fuller bodied women are usually considered more attractive, but even that notion is becoming westernized as the models and beauty queens are also conforming to this nonsensical aberration.

About beauty being skin deep, my wife's beautiful both inside and out, and I've been with here for almost 24 years, and will be married for 20 this month. To keep that sort of commitment you have to make a conscious effort to value her beyond superficialities. She's the mother of my children and all that, yes, but beyond all that there's another human being I honor and respect, I would not even use the word love because it is so overrated and over used, but moreover, because we only truly love through our actions.

Sorry for the rant, yes, I fully agree with you, our eyeballs definitely should not be a judge of beauty, our heart should be.

By the way Sarah, these contests supposedly are Miss Universe Community Service Pageants. When they win the first ting they all tend to say is that they want to devote there reign to world peace, or to eradicate poverty, save the rain forests, or something along that line. Beauty with a purpose, with the emphasis on external beauty, being the general motto nowadays... Please!
Natalie, I must admit that my first reaction to the photos of Ms. Naumoska was one of revulsion. And my next impulse was to sit her down at my table and feed her -- not just good food, but healthy ideas.

The solution needs to come from us, the buying public. Men and women need to stop following this dangerous trend and make is socially unacceptable to be unhealthy, whether by underweight or overweight.

The constant pursuit of artificially-defined beauty diminishes us all.
I'm with odette and Dakini on this. Thin is one thing, dangerously thin is another. The only word that comes to mind when I see her is “emaciated,” and indeed my first concern is the notion of that this is brought on by eating disorders. It's bad enough that the entire modeling industry seems to promote that, but this seems an extreme case. I doubt the women I find most attractive will ever be allowed to win organized beauty pageants, not just on weight but a variety of other factors, so I've long ago given up watching or caring about these shows. But this still seems an escalation for the worse.
She undoubtedly needs some nutritious food. The picture turns off my appetite.
Thank you everyone for your comments. I've found it very interesting reading through them and learning from the slightly different perspectives.
That's almost alienesque, that photograph. Man, why don't women waste away completely so we just don't exist anymore...is that the message? "Oh don't mind me. I'm just wasting away to nothing so I don't get in your way." Ugh. I'm eating an extra pancake NOT in honor of her this morning. Real Women Eat!
There is no way that I could find that attractive. Here, you mix beauty by the two possible definitions of it. There is the subject and the viewer. If the viewer thinks that she isn't quite beautiful enough until she loses that last pound then she has a problem.

But beauty or the concept of it is very subjective. She might be a very caring and aware person who would be the best person that you could ever have as a friend. Much of beauty is projection. I'm not defending the twiggy look by any means. She is probably mentally ill but then who isn't. Our society seems to measure itself on the human wreckage that it creates.

I have a similar reaction to overly obese people. I know many people, many obese people, that have a problem dealing with stress and anxiety. Instead of reaching for a carrot, taking a walk, a spoonful of Chubby Hubby, a few chips or a small handful of M&M's, they gorge on it. The whole tub of Chubby Hubby disappears. A whole bag of chips. An entire 'pounder' bag of M&M's...

I worked with a woman that would eat more in one day at work than I'd ever eat in an entire day both at and after work. She was fat. I mean OBESE. And she railed at anyone that she thought was slighting her for her right to be three times as large as anyone else. Both anorexia and obesity are mental illnesses if not driven by a medical condition. And like this opinion, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

People are judged in their looks everyday though, and rarely on what they are as a person. If the latter were true, the current Miss California would still be a small chested insignificant whining little bitch in California rather than a fake titted 'born again' example of why beauty pageants are so morally and ethically brain dead and an example of how anyone with less than half a brain can still get their moment of fame in this country and pander to other whining ignorant asses in the most powerful nation on the planet.

But I digress...
I had a thought a while ago about this craze for 'perfection'. It's really about 'belonging'. A sense of being recognized in a society that moves too fast and is so cold to the individual.

Is it all fake? Yes. It's also an interesting sociological idea I'd think. Here we are, so connected, so 'involved', so 'advanced' and yet so desperately alone...
First of all, Stephanie Naumoska doesn't just look sick, she is sick. I'm no doctor, but the first words that jumped into my head were "anorexia" and "nervosa".

But you wanna see what I think "beauty" means... look at Natalie's avatar. It's not the WAY you look, Natalie, it's what's BEHIND your look. Don't get me wrong, you're a beautiful woman, but there's "a look" in your eyes and in that secret little smirk that's captivating beyond your physical attractiveness, and THAT'S real beauty... the part that shines through, the part they can't bottle.

Let's hope they never figure out how :)
I think that pageants / contests are politically incorrect in themselves. Putting people on a block like that reminds me of the images of buying and selling of slaves in New England. It is all so absurd and false that I could go on and on - one thing for certain is that we now live in a global 'reality tv' culture, which pits one person against the other in a competition of looks, so-called talents and popularity. All the cultures are being programmed to think and behave this way which is basically a thread of corporate totalitarianism taking control of the mob. As usual pretty girls are dangled in front of the mob, like slaves of the culture, to titillate and engage mob sentimentality, which is more easily controlled than having a bunch of people who think for themselves.

The thing that surprises me is that generation upon generation grow up and present themselves as a mass of ignorami willing to absorb and respond at all to this type of indignity, and still pretend they are intelligent, humane creatures.

Ok, I'll stop now. Thanks for putting a sane voice on something that is so absurd.
I'm with you on that Skip.
I completely agree with you Natalie. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is sad that women are given this type of image and told this is what "beautiful" looks like. You are right, beauty is subjective and my own subjective opinion is that this woman looks like she'd be in trouble if there was a strong breeze. I am way more concerned for her health than I am for her beauty.
Only two things I might add to the many appropriately shocked and disgusted comments made here:

Stephanie does possess very pretty eyes and a beautiful smile, for whatever that is worth.

And my very first reaction on reading the title of this post and seeing the picture echoed what Skip had to say - your beauty, Nat, stands in stark contrast to that exemplified by any beauty pageant contestant.

Long may you reign.
I believe the history of the Miss America pageant--from prime time spectacular, to cable TV afterthought, to virtually unwatched cultural habit--demonstrates that if you ignore them they will fade away.
My first reaction is how perilously close to the edge of being physically unviable she is.

My second reaction: how bad an example this sets for other young women who look at her and think "I would like to look that thin, just thin enough that I don't die."

In Susan Faludi's book "Backlash: the Undeclared War on American Women" she argues that part of the backlash against the women's liberation movement was to get women to think that they had to be stick thin to be attractive, turning their attention inward, rather than outward to the oppression of women.

Men, too, are in recent years being told that they have to look a certain way to get women - six pack abs, and all that - not as severe as the injunctions to women and girls, but a part of the general trend.
Skip, in an awkward way you described so many women. Women that look 'ordinary' and yet...

There is that twinkle, that smirk, that lifted eyebrow, that subtle glance, that giggle, that laugh, that toss of the hair, that 'look' can say so much... Skip a heart, stop a sentence, stop a thought, stop a stride. It's not even something like flashing fake tits and capped teeth...

Some people that are so determined, so over playing their 'sexuality' over play it and ruin it. Many people can tell fake from real. So many beauty pageant participants are driven out of a fear of not being 'all that'. Very few people really are 'all that' to others unless they are 'all that' for themselves.

To fearless females everywhere. Tell your mom we thank her... ;-)
I LOVE what M. Chariot said, too. Read it again. Real wisdom there.
Yes Monsieur Chariot's comment is good too.

I find as I am aging that I also find my reaction to young people is changing. Now that I'm nearing the 'harmless' point of a man's life, I find that I can look more and actually see the beauty in women easier.

I still don't know what that means...

I am old enough to be many of these women's father so that takes me out of the running as a sexual interest but I can fantasize, right?

I have always been shy around beautiful women and that still plays a large part in my interactions but I am getting over it. It's kinda weird to admit to still being awkwardly shy around women and I'm nearly 50... No wonder I was a 'late bloomer'.
When I look at Stephanie, I want to head to Australia and buy her some chicken, a ham sandwich, maybe a triple chocolate shake or three, and be like Grandmother saying, "Eat! You too skinny! Eat!"

EEK!! Look at those knives that someone calls her hips. Ouchie.
What's beautiful: Susan Boyle...

Rated
hi NB. you have some pretty harsh stuff in your blog. and some fun erotic haiku. rapidly becoming an admirer over here. is it bad if I think you're BEAUTIFUL? I put you on my top beautiful OS blogger list shortly before you wrote this post.. synchronicity???
to me, beauty is beautiful, is it not?
its strange that someone so beautiful as you would be opposed to beauty. or the appreciation of beauty. or....??? I dont know exactly what it is you're opposed to, but you're certainly passionate about it, wink :p
I think you are a bit mixed up & need to embrace your own beauty and that in others. and embrace the beauty of M/F dichotomy which your writing shows some harshness.
also, everyone who feels strongly about beauty should learn more about evolutionary psychology. it answers a lot of riddles about why we find [x] or [y] beautiful. its a young field that is coming up with many surprising, excellent, unintuitive insights into everyday human behavior.
just remember, yin & yang go together like yin & yang, wink
Skinny, skinny, skinny is not sexy, sexy, sexy. It's very weird how something so malnourished-looking has taken the place of something that actually represents "appetite", (if you get my drift). also noted; you have Betty Page on your banner- someone who definitely doesn't fit today's stereotype of sexually attractive- too curvy. Are you being ironic?
While I'm shocked at Stephanie Naumoska making it to the finals, I'm shocked because beauty pageants tend to be focused on conventional beauty and she is by no means conventionally beautiful. When actors get that thin, they start getting nasty write-ups in gossip magazines. And you don't see models that thin (or at least I've never seen one). She's way beyond conventionally attractive thin into creepy thin that repulses a lot of people.

However, just because there are (increasingly not watched) beauty pageants doesn't mean we don't have celebrations of positive traits, they're just not pageants. My mother just finished selecting a winner for her charitable organization's scholarship. She called me a number of time to tell me how hard it was to chose because all of the young women were so deserving. My niece competes in dance/cheer contests. Other young women compete in sports or are participate in things like Model U.N. and debate. There are plenty of ways in which young women and men are celebrated for their actions and talents rather than their appearances. They just don't happen to be beauty pageants.
Stephanie. "Please forgive me, I'm sorry, even though I think you are the most handsome man in the world, I won't have a romp with you."
Mr Handsome. "Why not?"
Stephanie. "I might break."
Rubens had it right...... all his women models wore frame flesh. Totally cuddle-able without fear of cracking.
If there were to be no more beauty pageants - I would demand one for none physical beauty. The millions of beautiful women in the world, the intelligent, the witty, the caring, the taught & firm, the loose & saggy, the women who smile from the inside out could share themselves on the 'Forever Pageant' and there would be no single winner.
Ban self imposed lunatic frailty - Demand what is what it's all about.