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JULY 5, 2009 8:22AM

Lucifer’s Law

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No man chooses evil because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness, the good he seeks. — [Mary Wollstonecraft]

For me the following is the most disturbing of all the passages in The Secret.

The Law of Attraction is a law of nature. It is as impartial and impersonal as the law of gravity is. It is precise, and it is exact.

Everything that surrounds you right now in your life, including the things you’re complaining about, you’ve attracted. Now I know at first blush that’s going to be something that you hate to hear. You’re going to immediately say, "I didn’t attract the car accident. I didn’t attract this particular client who gives me a hard time. I didn’t particularly attract the debt." And I'm here to be a little bit in your face and to say, you did attract it. This is one of the hardest concepts to get, but once you’ve accepted it, it's life transforming… you have a choice right now.

Often when people first hear this part of The Secret they recall events in history where masses of lives were lost, and they find it incomprehensible that so many people could have attracted themselves to the event. By the law of attraction, they had to be on the same frequency as the event… If they believe they can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they have no control over outside circumstances, those thoughts of fear, separation, and powerlessness, if persistent, can attract them to being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Do you want to believe that it's just the luck of the draw and bad things can happen to you at any time? Do you want to believe that you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time? That you have no control over circumstances?

Or do you want to believe and know that your life experience is in your hands and that only all good can come into your life because that is the way you think? You have a choice, and whatever you choose to think will become your life experience (italics as in the book).

Nothing can come into your life unless you summon it with persistent thoughts.

I’m contemplating the above extract almost a week after a number of friends of my son’s were involved in a horrific motorcar accident. In it two teenage girls died and one was paralyzed from the neck down with 95% blood on her brain.

They were all from stable reasonably affluent families, all members of a positive Christian youth group. When waking from the coma he was in and hearing of the paralysis of his younger sister and the death of his girlfriend, one of the accident survivors expressed extreme fury at God in whom he until then had absolute faith in for allowing it to happen. And certainly in whom his parents too must’ve placed unwavering faith in to protect their beloved children.

However in Byrne saying “You’re going to immediately say, "I didn’t attract the car accident." And I'm here to be a little bit in your face and to say, you did attract it,” she’s either implying that.

These children had brought this tragedy upon themselves by the mental frequency they had transmitted to the universe at the time.

Or that.

Their parents had brought it about by their own negative frequency; thus the death of their children was their fault and reflective of their deeper thoughts which resulted in them unconsciously attracting the tragedy upon themselves.

I suppose one can also then infer that the fate of American comedian Bill Cosby’s son shot in cold-blood during a carjacking in Los Angeles, had happened because his son was a negative spirit. This must be so since it could not have been him or his wife as they are widely regarded as the quintessential examples of positivity. Or are they in fact dark negative spirits hiding under an exuberant life-affirming façade? 

And so too who do we blame for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? The unconscious frequency of Madeleine’s? Or that of her parents’?

And what about Nate Henn, an American who had moved to Uganda to work with former child soldiers who was one of many victims of an Al Qaida bombing in the country. And to compound the tragedy for his grief stricken family, his brother Kyle died in a plane crash on his way home.

What did this poor family do to deserve this? Was their aid not worthy of the Universe? Or did they not provide their good with the required vibrations? Or maybe, it happened because he did not unconsciously apply the law as correctly as Byrne does?

And of course, what about those who do these despicable bombings, also unequivocally believing, that they will be met by 72 black eyed virgins in heaven? By doing so, making up for their largely unfulfilled earthly lives by having made the ultimate humanly sacrifice.

This of course must’ve been the case since it is based on the “hard science” of The Secret: that one only attracts events based on the thoughts one holds.

However when considering the examples it must be born in mind that, deduced from her remarks, Byrne once again is preying on our most primal fear: the potential loss of a child or dear loved one.

While she may not have said so directly what one must appreciate is that the message is subliminal, and that most who read it tend to make emotional inferences from their personal situations. Specifically, we all would like to be able to control as many variables as we possibly can to minimize impending loss or danger for ourselves and those dear to us. But the reality in spite of this wish is that, beyond what we can do within our physical power to affect events, the rest is very much left to chance. Implying we do have such a magical power, simply is malicious and opportunistic. 

What Byrne is actually suggesting is that, if such a parent could acquire her magic formula in advance to protect their child against all that potentially can go wrong, such a most awful of specter would be an eventuality they never would have to concern themselves over ever again.

One then simply can let one’s hair down and throw caution to the wind as the universe will be taking care of the details of how one’s child will forever be protected.

And so we can continue with this logic infinatum. For instance this logical scientific explanation certainly must also account for the'accidental' death of Princess Diana. Though it is evident that the universe must have overlooked her contributions to charities as well as her warm and charming disposition. So it too must apply to the six million Jews who died at the hands of Hitler, as they, logically speaking that is, must’ve attracted their despicable death and indignity unto themselves.

And what about those who died on the Titanic? I suppose the most negative souls alive at the time just so happened to have found themselves on that fateful voyage. So too this logic would account for those hundreds of thousands who died in the South East Asian Tsunami where only those with positive vibrations must’ve been the only one’s who survived.

The same argument certainly would also apply to the three thousand who just so happened to have been negative enough to have woken up for work on the fateful day the World Trade Centre was attacked. Logically speaking then using Byrne’s argument, they and the firemen and women who came to their rescue must’ve been the most negative New Yorkers alive at the time, hence their fate. 

When looking at the logic of the above it in fact is tantamount to asking a rape victim what they had done to have caused their violation.

But why are many not similarly revolted by the former assertions?

At this point it is important to reflect on what Byrne is actually implying with her reference to “by the law of attraction, they had to be on the same frequency as the event”, in other words that they emitted negative frequencies. In the three steps discussed in Counting Chickens Byrne intimated the following “…in the process it’s important to feel good, to be happy, because when you’re feeling good you’re putting yourself in the frequency of what you want…”

The logical inference one therefore must make from this is that the negative events referred to must have happened because these individuals were unhappy; and because they were unhappy they acted as a magnet which drew the resultant negative consequences unto themselves.

The association between negative frequency and unhappiness being the rational juxtaposition of the given association between positive frequency and happiness.

Quite frankly this despicable logic makes a mockery of the notion of common sense and conventional wisdom. But more crucially, of common decency for having the gall to infer that the victims are to blame for their misfortunes.

Or at least it ought to offend any half decent person’s sensibilities.

I don’t know what your reaction to this is, but for me it is the most deplorable worldview I had ever come across. Not even Satanism is as perverse for it at least is transparent about its despicable intent. As such its obvious abhorrence wards those with even a moderate inclination for the macabre from its vile shores.

For this reason the subtle spiritual innuendos spouted by Byrne is infinitely more reprehensible. Indeed because of its insidiousness, is far more destructive to the collective human psyche than anything that has gone before.

And if you are of the opinion that I’m overreacting about the above, perhaps you should give this section a slower more reflective read before continuing. But my honest opinion is that, if you didn’t get it by now, nothing will wake you up from Byrne’s spell. 

________________________

After three people had died and 18 others hospitalized as a result of his “spiritual warrior” program, part of harmonic wealth initiative, James Arthur Ray was investigated for homicide as a consequence of his negligence. It is interesting that in his defense that Ray mentioned that it was an accident which was beyond his control. This being in stark contrast to what is claimed above—therefore the reference from the book should be viewed in conjunction with what had transpired at Ray’s event. Ray charged 69 people almost $10 000 for the retreat which should not have had more than a dozen people with subpar facilities which did not have a legal permit. This rite is usually provided free of charge by Native American practitioners. That is more than half a million dollars in less than a week, and excludes airfare, while numerous additional mandatory items such a $250 Peruvian poncho, were required to be purchased as well.  

________________________

The following interaction I had on a blog also relates to the above:

Those who don’t think the Law of Attraction or Law of Love don’t work you better think again! Just take a few minutes and think of the things that are going on in your life or things that you didn’t like were going on in your life. Why were those things happening? Probably because of your thoughts! Just saying…

My Response:

Yep, that we create reality merely by thinking it so must be so. It probably then explains the devastating floods in Queensland and that in Byrne’s homestate of Victoria or the latest earthquakes in New Zealand. And I’m certain only the least loving with the most impure of thoughts succumbed while there were no casualties who diligently practiced the LoA and LoL.

This off course would include 13 year old Jordan Rice, who during the Queensland floods selflessly chose to succumb to the raging floodwaters to save his brother?

Then again, perhaps the LoL does not apply to the self-sacrificing kind of love?

See, this type of message of Byrne’s is a clear example of the fable of “The emperor’s New Clothes”, where if you buy into a delusional idea, you will only see evidence in support, while oblivious to you that your world may in reality be falling apart around you. It is the classic con where the “if it is too good to be true, it’s usually too good to be true” idea is the one that should come to your immediate mental rescue.

What should be realized is this: Definitely love more, but don’t love as if there is a law.

And it is particularly so if it is associated with a law guaranteeing a return on that love, for then all it truly is the very antithesis of love as it truly amounts to nothing but pure manipulation (as psychopaths and sociopaths do), and where the biggest looser usually is one’s state of mind.

 

© Newton fortuin – 2007

 

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Scourge: The Demise of Critical Thinking in the Age of "The Secret"

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I decided to post this extract of my manuscript after reading the following in a post about the amount of money being spent of fireworks in Washington while there are so many homeless.

That's all well and good, but God's already judged all those homeless and soon to be homeless people and found them lacking. Who are we to second guess God and lavish fireworks money on those he's already abandoned?

To which I responded:

I think we should have celebrations of various kinds including fireworks displays, and the homeless should be part of it, if only to celebrate the joy of being alive, but I really have a problem with the idea that the homeless deserve their plight. Then of course the rape victim also had gotten their just rewards from god. And so those who perished in the World Trade Center. Life can be darn unfair at the best of times. How about the attitude "there I go but for the grace of god"? When we celebrate, lets do it with a sense of humility and humanity and with the full knowledge that we have been given a good hand by fate, but that it can change at a moments notice. Posted this one specially in reaction to that comment, and especially during a financial crisis when thousands are losing their homes.

I don't mean to make this a personal attack, so please, refrain from making any reference to any individual, but your opinion about this general -- very critical -- issue would be appreciated.
er...no man chooses evil but as a mistaken way towards happiness is not what our religion says
the writer of tht comment meant it sarcastically, Newton.
Rolin, indeed it doesn't. But when happiness becomes the pursuit of our lives, the tendency is that we become narcissistic. Happiness is the rewards which we can only truly find when not seeking it. Seeking happiness is like seeking the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, while the rainbow was the pot of gold all along.
I guessed so, and indeed said so in my comment, but I know there are many who indeed think this way, hence it was an opportune time to post this particular extract.

Strangely no one, including the poster made reference to it in that way, so many may in fact have construed it as truth, and hence their silence.
Newton,
Another thoughtful, quietly impassioned nuclear attack on the dangerous tripe you (and I,bro) so vehemently oppose. The vulgarization of one of the most intelligent, spiritually perceptive intuitions of the human experience: karma.

When you say the terrible accident (grieved to hear of it) was chance, though: that is not exactly "true". I know what you mean: a seemingly random set of circumstances led to it. By saying "chance" int this context, you are using it in a moral sense, as in: nobody's "fault". "Fault " being basically a legal term, ultimately. And all of us Christians laboring under the ultimate legal system of Jehovah, the avenging God o f retribution for sin. Who, by the way, became Man. And got...humanized. Lon, lon time ago. Or maybe not so long ago, in the big picture. God's picture.

I believe there is some huge Overmind. I do. A God who is reflected in Man must have man's qualities, obviously. Intellect, Feeling, Will. In hisintellect, he no doubt could tell you WHY the accident happened....he could give you all the reasons, the whole chain of cause & effects...it would take a millenium to explain this one terrible event, no doubt.

Thats why we are not god. We are only limited pieces of him. Triggerfish, of many colors, to borrow Angelique's metaphor, darting here & there, intent on one purpose: the ultimate purpose: oneness with God..the experience of the full roaring existential Here/Now. It aint an easy destiny, thats for sure...but it is ours. And it has a moral code all its own, no?

The code is simple: do unto others, for others are none other thatn yourself. Turn the other cheek, and live another day, to forgive; and not be bogged down into the primate swamp of anger and retribution.

I and the Father are one, he said. And the Mother? The mother comforts us when such terrible things happen...as to yr son's friends...To tell the kid who woke up that its God's will is no comfort. It wa man's (perverted, unenlightened, blind) will...and yes, "chance"...but not random chance. Chance in the sense of perchance....Chance comes out of contingency.

Chance is contingency's child.

Contingency is the naturee of time/space.
But...there are speeds herein. As we approach the metaphorical subjective speed of light, well, then, per Einstein, time slows...
and int the enlarged, taffy-time (similar to marijuana-time), we can see more...we can see with more clarity, when time runs slower....
So we should seek the subjective speed of light, and see, and conquer chance, yes?
James Emmerling

ps i have a very limited tiem left on os...i have perchance negotiated myself into homelessness...and will be under the "shelter" of my hometown soon ...a week or so...into the bowels of the System yet again...yet i'll ick up some trouble in the meantime, til the end comes...i will miss writing...
The whole notion of chance is a very complicated thing, especially when you include the notion of synchronicity as well. The first thing is foresure, time is not a simple linear notion so we can observe many things which we can construe as predetermination. And we've gone down here before, there appears to be an Uber collective mind which certainly does not appear to be a conscious entity, and to some extents appear to have a mind of its very own. The thing however is that chance is how it all plays out, albeit that there is also a tendency that through the chaos order yet prevails. But accidents do happen, and for the most part completely by chance, or perhaps based on how we may have been negligent in terms of taking the precautions which may have resulted in it. Your BPD rocclivity resulted because of the genetic lottery which dealt you with that set of cards, further factors were your environment which may have exacerbated what would otherwise a dormant condition, and finally, your healing is largely affected by the personal part you play in either diminishing or perpetuating the disease.

Is there a higher order in all of these? On one level there is not, you are largely responsible for the actions you are to take, and the rest is pretty much a matter of chance. However there are aspects which we can detect -- such as intuition and synchronicity -- which we can align to that suggests a deeper order, but its my guess that this deeper order is slo ambling in the dark, even moreso than we are. In fact we are its yes and ears, and without which it would've been a completely unconscious and ineffective force.
am sorry about the tragedy... I respect the way you 'deal' with the incident.
I hvnt read The Secret, it had been gifted to me, it lies in the sheves untouched, although I worked hrad to get other books and read them all, one of which was Hitler's biog. I didnot get drawn to it....so maybe Byrne is right ....jokes apart, I see the point you are making, and can relate to the idea that it is indeed 'indecent' to infer tht victims are responsible for whta happens to them all the time. the cause and effect idea seems workable to me, I usu look at it as a chain of events, all of which could be traced back to larger, beyond control sources, multiple sources, people attracting it all to them sounds deterministic somehow

about the comment, hm, yes, maybe, wht had disturbed me more was a chance comment by Dorrinda at Jodi Kasten's post called Mourning, people ridiculing people that mourned the death of MJ who is referred to as "flawed celeb" had jolted me to the core. apparently common, ordinary, harmless but dangerous thought, that one...

am sorry about the children. the loss. grateful for the lives tht were saved in whtever form, if I were the mother of the young girl, I would want her alive than dead. bec suffering and physical pain disesae etc one can used to if there is love somehow
Rolling, I agree with your take on the issue. We are only responsible for that which we are responsible for, we can only change that which is in our power to change. And we do affect a lot by our thinking, but its not just our thinking, but our attitutes and actions that make the difference, and oftentimes even then...

As you said "the cause and effect idea seems workable to me, I usually look at it as a chain of events, all of which could be traced back to larger, beyond control sources, multiple sources, people attracting it all to them sounds deterministic somehow." In fact the latter is downright narcissistic, as if the universe revolves around one.

About the kids, the one's who survived are doing much better, even the girl, but certainly, life can be meaningful and worth living under almost any circumstance.
About Micheal Jackson, I think his life had been a real tragedy, and the least we can do is to have compassion for him. Mocking him is unbecoming, he was a very real genius, and perhaps the very reason for much of his misery.
all three of us were typing right now together, without knowing wht the other was thinking - or knowing tht we r here together at all - wd you call it chance, or a cause and effect chain of random set of circumstances, am home when I should been ta the venue of walker's paradise where our school is, it is late evening, must be early morning where James is, no idea why or how come Newton is here
Rolling there is an observed phenomena known as synchronicity where very often related events happen at the same time beyond what can be regarded as chance or coincidence or causal time. Here's a Wikipedia link - Synchronicty.
Here's a little extract:

Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events which are causally unrelated occurring together in a meaningful manner. In order to count as synchronicity, the events should be unlikely to occur together by chance.

The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality. Instead, it maintains that just as events may be grouped by cause, they may also be grouped by their meaning. Since meaning is a complex mental construction, subject to conscious and subconscious influence, not every correlation in the grouping of events by meaning needs to have an explanation in terms of cause and effect.
Newton,

mmm.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. But some part of me, perhaps that part best (intermittently) in touch with the ubermind, says: with Dylan in "queen jane approximately":

"try to prove/your conclusions should be more drastic...."

Chance is built in. We think we know that. Into the subatomics. Ok, given.

Chance is given the "fault", or the credit, for human scale-level "accidents". BUt th philosophical definiton of "accident" is : something that has no being in itslef, only in another being....what, we may wonder, as we trace back the "beings" we are dealing with.......a is of b, bis of c, cis of d...etc....is the ultimate? we have but a nebulous idea.....we commit whiteheadian "fallacy of misplaced concreteness", ifear...

trying to imagine such a Being. Yet we are squarley IN it. It IS.

Enough going down heieggerian avenues. must be my german...ach, will i ever shut up about THAT?

Narcissism i see as believing that the world is external to you, and simultaneously believing that it is there FOR you, it serves you & only you...including people , animals, etc...they have no being of their own...they have being through you...they are, by my own (unfloding in front of me, who is rather astonished to see it...!)

ACCIDENTS....so: they are cahnce things that happen to me, but only FOR me...not for-themselves...they have no for-themselves....

Idealism is a tough thing to get yr head around, especially absolute Hegelian idealism, which seems to say that we are allof a piece, in a block universe, parts of a whole, orgains of a body......and that all is determined by the cunning of Reason, Historuy...working out to a (perverse?) rational conclusion...

"The real is the rational", said Hegel, and was promptly misunderstood. I think he meant: reason, the living breathing suffering Logos, the invisibloe "sens", "meanin" of things, unfolds dialetically, but...

this is key...contingency is a logical necessity of necessity!

w/o contingency, no material for the logos to work on....

narcissism sees the world as yours, for you.but heres the thing wrong with it: it sees an external reality up against it...

the external is of course not "really" immediately there...what is immediately there is a subjective filtering of it through our senses & perceptions...a la kant...

but...as for the thing-in-itself...it hides in the background...it IS there, but never to be know, says kant...

so this person, this chainof events, is never to be known except through our own subjectivity...

and here is where INTERSUBJECTIVITY is crucially brought in, yes? We all have separate universes, but there is but one UNIVERSE...and...

(help me here, if you follow this midnight speeding trainof thought...ach)

well, intersubjectivity is throughlanguage. verbal & nonverbal. Everything we do, physically, has an effect on the medium....matter...right? the butterfly effect, etc.....so why not every stray thought having an effect, in some

noosphere...and....we speak of a collective mind.....but wouldnt it be evolving....growing...also regressing....but evolving..

every damn scond? likenow?
jim
is causallity real,
or just a kantian (inside0
category?
i daresay we are "giraffeing" now...i feel my neck being stretched,
and my head elevating...
The romantic idealists thought processes tends to complicate often very simple things.

About your question:

well, intersubjectivity is throughlanguage. verbal & nonverbal. Everything we do, physically, has an effect on the medium....matter...right? the butterfly effect, etc.....so why not every stray thought having an effect, in some noosphere... and.... we speak of a collective mind..... but wouldnt it be evolving.... growing... also regressing.... but evolving... every damn second? likenow?

I postulated something along this general premise, and I even wrote a section about it, something about rwoing a boat down a river. Try to row the boat down the Colorado with your thoughts alone, or maybe by shifting your weight around. See, the only way we can be successful is with our technology, with our oars, but even better, a hight powered motor. see, our thoughts have a much better effect if we apply it to the real world than to the either. However i do think our thoughts do come to play in the noosphere or in an infinite universe type of interplay, this is only speculation and will only ever be, But our multitude of collective thoughts tend to cancel each other out. So for instance its a far better postulation to lift the grain of sand with a tweezers, than by attempting to manipulate it with our thoughts. In fact a lifetime of thinking alone will not move it an inch.

However that there is a greater world of thoughts is apparent by phenomena such as synchronicity, and the key here is meaning, as if it is an even deeper more complex, and indeed more meaningful, dimension than time itself.

But ultimately, our thoughts tends to be meaningful and subjective if it is not accompanied by action, and the key is that our sense of reality be reflective of reality as experienced by others, objective reality, our common experience of reality, or else we may very well be insane.
The point being that objective reality is our common reference point, that God can be found in a grain of sand.
ye gods, Logos!
it seems:

mythos is infected with logos
and logos with mythos...
and eros? we need her..

the picture now is: them fucking giraffes ya put in our heads,
trampling over a beach of infinite
grains of sand...monkey w/ tweezers
on their heads, ach



anyway....your point is well taken...it is all connected to
the concept of will, no?

will= a power of the spirit. spirit as self-actualizing.

will=the medium between subjectivity & objectivity...

these stray thoughts have little effect, unless...
we perform actions...

type type tpe....

to send em out...& technology?
oh, yes..very important...imagine:

einstein emailin blake,
blake emailing poe,
poe emailing simonetta,
simonetta emailing emily dickinson, and all creating on ther Open Salon....

masterpiece after masterpiece after masterpiece...

alll interpreted by mythos, and clarified by logos...

and given wings of the heart by EROS...

and all of it happening under the motherfuckers' noses...

a soft revoltuion...silent.......

and they wake up one day, the masters of war,
and find their world has been taken from them and
they are to be judged...

wow. jim....

yre right: romantic idealist thought processes complicate thoughts of simpletings...

so: concentrate on the simple things,
of objective reality:
the grains of sand,
the things of the world:

the minute particulars, blake called em

the concrete universals, said hegel, who was romantic for awhile then went off into PURE THOUGHT THINKING ITSELF...

hegel became aristotle's unmove d mover, i guess..
Words like action, embodiment, cristalization are key here. And with that of course the notion of discipline, putting first things first. this is linked to the notions of time and effort, and the root cause of all your problems I think. You indicated you are almost pathologically impatient, thus you are unable to work with and observe time. You need to embody your inner being with synchronous outer motion, a key perhaps for you would be yoga or Tai Chi.

Again you've christalized it perfectly with this:

will= a power of the spirit. spirit as self-actualizing.

will=the medium between subjectivity & objectivity...

these stray thoughts have little effect, unless...
we perform actions...


masterpiece after masterpiece after masterpiece...

alll interpreted by mythos, and clarified by logos...

and given wings of the heart by EROS...

a soft revoltuion...silent.......

so: concentrate on the simple things,
of objective reality:
the grains of sand,
the things of the world:

the minute particulars, blake called em
James, I however must add that your interactions in cyberspace does not account for actions in the real world, indeed it is taking place in virtual reality. Angelique Simonetta for instance is not Angelique Simonetta, I know her real name, but she prefers to present a persona other than her real self. It is an escape. While you may build relationships on this forum, there is an implicit wall or filter between us. the opinions and actions of the people in your real world is of far more importance to you as it affects your life directly. My point being, the simple things are our simple interactions that affect our world directly, whether we appreciate the beauty of a sunset or show courtesy to those around us, or how we engage our world with care and dedication, or carelessness and unconcern. The Buddhist call it mindfulness, and I think it is the true embodiment of our spirits.
Newton,
I'm quite aware of the fact that A. Simonetta is not Angelique simonetta. I am also aware of the fact that she is not Eros. I am quite aware of alot of things, as you know. More than you may think..she is playing a role in virtual reality, as we all are. She has set off a set of events, which are cascading down the timescape...as we all have...these comments are not idle chitchat, for me at least. I taking thinking and understanding VERY seriously. I have no patience for diletanteism or hypocrisy of any stripe. Even for the sake of securtiy. The reason? Becasue the world is spinning out of control, quickly...at an accelerating rate...and as a good friend (actually, a former friend, whom i offended with "impolite speech")
told me: "i have no patience for people who will not speak out" ...the way i speak is by dialectically pursuing ethereal though twinings...in a way that no one else seeems to be able to do.. Alas, there are misunderstandings along the way....but i labor from love, not for any particular individuals, but for archetypes of light, not darkness. the darkness is deep....we need a most powerful light, and this light

is through communion. only communion breeds our blessed synchronicity..


I am saying this: dont let the fears of the world infect you ,newton...or eros, or anyone else reading this...fear is as fdr said no good....it is the thing that kills...

it is what the big baddies rely on

when we begin even to fear each other, we are done. we should "get off tat computer now!!!"a
as my dear sisters tell me...

we're done,....
We are making virtual reality a more interesting place. My real life is relevant to you only in the fact that it makes good material for teaching. Period. I am a teacher. I am in no way asking for help or insipid emotional support from anyone. If I say something personal one day, well, it doesnt mean a whole hell of alot.....because of my socalled "disorder"...shared by millions of my fellow sufferers, who are treated a subhumans in the richest, most "enlightened" society on earth...

because of my socalled disorder, I tend to have very interesting mood fluctuations...

If this is some way to tell me to "cool it", then join the crowd. They are lined up somewhere,,, is suppose...

but that's not where I am...

But my name IS James M. Emmerling. I share (absolutely true) details of my personal life.

A note of annoyance from me: we are throwing around all these terms: transpersonal, eros, logos, mythos....but buddy, these are not abstractions...

Have you ever considered...and perhaps this could be a topic for discusssion: that these Archetypes have US in their grasp,

and noo th the other way around?

This shit is real. these terms we so abstractly prattle about.

We live them. They tell the story...the REAL story...of our lives....

a discussion of virtual vs real reality is in order....

if anyone cares to join...

James E, kicking back...

and literally...literally..

Raising Hell...
James, I said what I said for a reason. The truth is that it is indeed a virtual world, a world away from our real world, a sort of mythical world created by our technology, a world we can commune on a level we cannot otherwise in our ordinary lives as we do have our masks and our filters that protect us from the dangers of the world of our "real" daily interactions. If you were to ask me which world I choose to give more significance, it would be the world of my daily interactions, if for no other reason that my constructive engagement in it ultimately affects me in very real ways, it pays for my bandwidth in the very least. If I spend too much time on the computer it affects my real life interactions, it can affect my work life, my relationships, and the embodiment of my being.

The very real danger is that it can become an escape from the realities of a hard knock world that oftentimes does not care an iota about who you truly are and what you are truly about, and it is a valid escape as everyone is extremely polite behind their masks, unlike the monsters in our daily lives (for some at lest).

Why am I bringing this up, it's simply that I was attempting to convey to you that this world can subtly consume one if one does not put it into perspective.

But moreover it also brings us back to our initial discussion. Again as you pointed out:

will= a power of the spirit. spirit as self-actualizing.

will=the medium between subjectivity & objectivity...



But then your reference afterward is what prompted me to respond as I did:

these stray thoughts have little effect, unless...
we perform actions...

type type type....

to send em out...& technology?
oh, yes..very important...imagine:

einstein emailin blake,
blake emailing poe,
poe emailing simonetta,
simonetta emailing emily dickinson, and all creating on their Open Salon.... masterpiece after masterpiece after masterpiece...


That's true on some level, we are feeding and nurturing each other by this actions, we're sharing knowledge, but these are not actions in hard physical reality, the true testing ground of our newly acquired knowledge, the forming ground of our wisdom. If it does not relate to action beyond mere typing, it amounts to absolutely zilch, except that it was some form of deviation, some form of escape from the drabness of ordinary reality, merely some momentary entertainment, a temporary filling of the void.

It's now almost 1am again, so I'd have to knock off. Cheers!
Newton,
Your warnings regarding keeping the distinction between virtual and "real" everyday world clear
are well - taken.
Here is how i kind of see it:
sure, walls, filters exist between our "selves" (small s)...
we all have lives filled with the contingencies of everyday
happenings. These are our personal identities.

Now, we also have shares in what i suppose would be called the Collectivity of human souls....the collective Consciousness ...and also, of course, the collective Un-consciousness...

The first of these we share in ...well, consciously! Chit chat about ideas, but...abstractly, y'know? It matters not a whit what our personal identities consist of, except as background material,
WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING ABSTRACTLY, COLLECTIVELY, like now....
Anybody could be saying these things...doesnt have to be JME and Newton F....

The collective unconscious is usually picked up on
by someone talking to someone else who is revealing something interesting about their base Unconscious...and is usually not aware of it...such as this damn giraffe hullabaloo, and all of the (silly-seeming) stuff that came from it....

Do you see what i mean? We are in the collective realm, and our personal identities are still strong and stable, or...unstable...whatever...but we labor in different mental fields....

Which has more "value"? Well, you certainly come down on the side of everyday personal life. Me, having a miserable personal life, puts more emphasis on the virtual life...for NOW. For now, only..

It's like a health spa for me...for my mind/....i come here to be refreshed, inspired, and then go back to the stark realities of my life with deeper understanding of the archetypal stuff floating JUST BELOW THE SURFACE of my daily life.

There is no real distinction for me, sometimes...other times, there is....a life with full cognizance (or as full as i can get) of all layers of reality...this is my goal..

Wish me luck! Ach!

yr friend of friends, Jim
James, I definitely get where you are going to with this:

We are in the collective realm, and our personal identities are still strong and stable, or...unstable...whatever...but we labor in different mental fields....

Which has more "value"? Well, you certainly come down on the side of everyday personal life. Me, having a miserable personal life, puts more emphasis on the virtual life...for NOW. For now, only..

It's like a health spa for me...for my mind/....i come here to be refreshed, inspired, and then go back to the stark realities of my life with deeper understanding of the archetypal stuff floating JUST BELOW THE SURFACE of my daily life


But what I like the most is For now, only... And what you are saying is completely valid, as long as you also have the perspective that this is the temporary substitute, and not a magic panacea.

Note, it was not a personal attack but that I was challenging your initial view. It is that the German Idealist worldview draws one into subjectivity, and it is easy to succumb to it's romantic rhetoric, the very definition definition of schitzophrinia in fact--the inability to make a meaningful distinction between the objective and subjective.

The only reason for putting it as strongly is that you indeed do have the makings of a genius, so its a real injustice that your life is currently as it is. But that does not be your fate: as i said in a previous post "your fate is the life you were born into you destiny is what you choose to make of it"

Go well king of Avalon!
Newton,
Thanks for understanding my pt of view. You are only the second person in the universe to do so...


Ach, man, they recommend taking my very world away from me...

Or...well, one of my worlds...the virtual.. I am mollified somewhat by the etymology of "virtual"....from Latin "virtus"= strength, virtue. It strengthens me, for my other, um,. "real world"...

Avalon is in ruins, everyone complaining..ach, where to start?
Jim
Start just there, accept that it is in pieces, as it is with your entire economy, and begin to put the pieces back together again but by bit. That's the existential view, accept the full reality of the situation and accept that this is an existential reality, not a neurotic mentally manufactured one. So your angst is completely justified, whatever pain you are now feeling is real, and you can fully own it. It's not your condition playing a trick with you, and don't seek to get out of your your despair, this is dam depressing, so the feeling is in tune with what is happening, but this too shall pass. Of course you still have your virtual world, your root system, that can give you some relief, and at times, much needed sustenance. Strength ol chap, this is breaking the cocoon stuff right here right now.

Interesting, that virtual is connected to root. Remember a much earlier post (Living in Reality) I commented about it as follows:

From what I can gather, tantric religion requires a balance between the esoteric and the exoteric -- you inner versus one's outer life - which is always the ideal to strive towards. The outer world however is where the meaningful results should be seen, the object of the roots is not for its own sake, but to nurture the gigantic oak growing above the surface. The giant tree, however, would be highly unstable if had grown at the expense of the giant web of invisible life that nurtures it below the surface.
I like that...about the tree....trees are one of my favorite metaphors for human life...as they are for many early civilizations' mythology...


Some say they "reach for the light"..oh, how poetic! No, they
C APTURE the light ...eat it up!~ yum, yum,...transformiing the very air (by supplying oxygen) so that other species may live & thrive..


And: just as much below the ground as above.,..

The n of course there is the Tree of Life...I am looking for it all over town, dammit! I saw it a a child,
but just cant seem to find it again...

Looks like the cult is all done...oh well, twas fun
while it lasted...a brief interlude in the banality...

best, JIM
James, the cult may be gone, but you're not alone. Their are many good things about OS. The first is that you're not alone, there are many people daily suffering what you're suffering, some get by, others don't. Life has high's and lows, it seems to be bipolar in a way, just that its cycles are somewhat less dramatic. But what you've got to ask yourself, who's in change of the ship, who is JME, the sometimes untrustworthy mechanism or ship or powerful Ferrari, give it any analogy you wish, or is JME the driver who has to figure our how it works, and take charge of the direction it is to take. Me thinks its the latter, you've got to use your considerable wits to get this ship on course.

And the second, there's a helluva lot of people routing for you, and who thinks you're the brightest person on the face of planet, and you most likely are. And that I think will count for more than anything else to get you back on course. And believe me, then you'd be able to write some mega books, and people will take notice, because you will show them how to get to the other side. In a time as we're in now, believe me, it's not a recession, it is a great depression, we need people to show us the way, and that it can be done.

Sterkte ou maat!
BTW James, something far more powerful than a cult is a community, and that's what you're part of. Take your strength, your rootedness, from that.
Dear ALL: Regarding the earlier parts of this posting and discussion, may I offer as a reminder the following:

Good Luck Bad Luck!

There is a Chinese story of a farmer who used an old horse to till his fields. One day, the horse escaped into the hills and when the farmer's neighbors sympathized with the old man over his bad luck, the farmer replied, "Bad luck? Good luck? Who knows?" A week later, the horse returned with a herd of horses from the hills and this time the neighbors congratulated the farmer on his good luck. His reply was, "Good luck? Bad luck? Who knows?"

Then, when the farmer's son was attempting to tame one of the wild horses, he fell off its back and broke his leg. Everyone thought this very bad luck. Not the farmer, whose only reaction was, "Bad luck? Good luck? Who knows?"

Some weeks later, the army marched into the village and conscripted every able-bodied youth they found there. When they saw the farmer's son with his broken leg, they let him off. Now was that good luck or bad luck?

Who knows?

Everything that seems on the surface to be an evil may be a good in disguise. And everything that seems good on the surface may really be an evil. So we are wise when we leave it to God to decide what is good fortune and what misfortune, and thank him that all things turn out for good with those who love him.

Author Unknown

Newton: I am sorry to hear of your family's loss (via your son). I often remind those I work of of "the fallacy of fairness." It is not by accident that I included the line in my poem 'Red Sky' "Accidents can happen to anybody; I know they have happened to me..." And yet, James E. commented on this and challenged the very idea of "accident," and rightly so. Would I say this about a lion eating a giraffe in the wild, that the giraffe suffered "an accident"? No, I would not. Our imbedded narcissistic stance and our wandering and wondering meaning-making egos seek order as the chaos that exists within the mysterious cosmic "non-order" (or Mysterious order) is far too threatening for us to wrap our little minds and hearts around.

It was odd being in the Emergency room all tied up to tubes and surrendering to things being done to me and put into me that under any other circumstance I would have challenged and questioned. I just flowed along without resistance and it all seemed like as perfectly natural part of my daily reality were occurring - just that on this day I happened to be possibly dying in a hospital. It was odd that I felt no fear, even prior to the morphine drip (which I didn't even really felt I wanted or needed at the time - Pain is such a wonderful way to be fully in the moment).

"Cult" relates to "Cult/ure" of course, as well as "Cult/ivation" and so I believe there is still some kind of INCULCATION (in·cul·cate (n-klkt, nkl-)
tr.v. in·cul·cat·ed, in·cul·cat·ing, in·cul·cates
1. To impress (something) upon the mind of another by frequent instruction or repetition; instill: inculcating sound principles.
2. To teach (others) by frequent instruction or repetition; indoctrinate) going on.

My name IS Angelique Simonetta, in that it is my "pen" name, or my chosen author's name, and it is a true reflection of me in certain ways, and I chose it with great care.

Because I am a licensed clinician, and because I know that some of my clients frequent O.S., I choose not to divulge my "clinical/licensed" identity - this reduces issues related to ethical breaches, "Dual Relationships," etc. and protects both my clients and myself and allows me to play more "freely" in the field. Is this a lie on my part?

What touches the soul most deeply? I work with many recovering addicts, and, like the end of Hesse's Siddartha, redemption and rebirth can be found in all of the leaving, searching, finding, releasing, and returning - to then help others to cross back and forth from side to side, over the great river...My soul has been touched in the little spaces we have created together here, and I continue to feel grateful for all of your words, feelings, provocations, and thoughts.
Hi Angie, I posted a similar story under the heading Get Comfortable not Knowing. In it I also had the following piece Tom Cordle commented on in a previous post:

A wealthy merchant gained an audience with the Buddha hoping to find an answer to the 88 problems he claimed were keeping him from happiness. My wife loves me, but not as much as she should, he said. My children respect me but not as much as I deserve. My granaries are filled to the overflowing, but it will cost too much to build another in these tough economic times. On and on he went until at last he had exhausted himself and the Buddha with all 88 of his litany of woes.

I'm sorry, but I cannot help you, said the Buddha. How can that be, said the man, you are supposed to be the wisest man on Earth. Surely, you can solve my simple problems.

Perhaps, said the Buddha, but even if I could, you would still have the 89th problem. Nay, good sir, you are mistaken, said the man, I have but 88 problems.

No, it is you who are mistaken, said the Buddha, you have 89 problems, and the last is that you want to have no problems. No one is wise enough to solve that problem.


The relating of your hospital experience is very interesting and it relates to a comment you made on your post about the OS editorial policy "I see these emotions as clouds passing overhead, i see them and experience them, and i just let them pass by" or something like that.

A also like this:

What touches the soul most deeply? I work with many recovering addicts, and, like the end of Hesse's Siddartha, redemption and rebirth can be found in all of the leaving, searching, finding, releasing, and returning - to then help others to cross back and forth from side to side, over the great river...

I think with the many synchronicity and connections on this forum, helping each other cross from side to side (I'm taking its from the subjective to the objective and vice versa, or nurturing the roots [or James's vertus/strength] to feed the giant mustard tree reaching towards the light) is exactly what we are doing with our mindful interactions here in cyberspace.
Newton & Angie,

Looks like i spoke far too soon, far too pessimistically (as is my wont, cuzza that f...ing bipolar virus i gots)re. the demise of the cult. Eros has come roaring back, from death's door, with tales to tell..and balm to offer our tortured abstract souls, eh, Newton? And! We can hear our beloved Oracle's oracular voice now, anytime we wish, if we are hungry for soull food...

CULT, then, equals "inculcating cultivation of culture"...terific! I don't know why i didn't think to go "etymologicval" re. "cult" befpre now...i have been having such negative feelings about calling it a cult, but now...i need not worry my poor head over it.My pooor head is now free to worry the hell out of other, more important things...
Angie, this is one of my favorite Eastern "gems of wisdom"....I've told it to hundreds of people (well, at least 3 people, that i can remember). The point is made so darn well: you never know the meaning of life's exigencies or seeming "accidents" because their meaning is never static, once-&-for-all...meaning is a time-dependent thing, as are all human doings .And of course we musn't think
the story ends there: it's just a good place to stop, right? It could be continued...and the end could be negative...

Thank you, Mr. Pessimist, I can hear you guys saying. Take a nice story like that & tinge it with your dark mood. But it brings up an interesting point: mood. Heidegger, for one, thought it to be a very important ontological reality. If something happens with questionable meaning, many wayst to respond to it...
its further meaning is dependent o n the mood through which it was filtered. I cant tell you how many times i chose to not act precipitously, and was gald the next morning, as it would have propbably changed the course of my life...but i also HAVE acted precipitously, mush to the alarm of my "loved one", and things have worked out well...

accidents happen, they say...but if we were omniscient and of stabilized mood, we'd see they weren't accidents...but...
we will never get to that pt...
but we can (asymptotically) approach it...
hm.

Jim

long live th e little spaces wherein souls are touched...
James, I think this is the hardest part:

Its further meaning is dependent o n the mood through which it was filtered. I cant tell you how many times I chose to not act precipitously, and was glad the next morning, as it would have probably changed the course of my life...but I also HAVE acted precipitously, mush to the alarm of my "loved one", and things have worked out well..."

I think you can cultivate a sense of what the best option is but usually is associated with one's own level of anxiety and fear of failure. Usually when we can do the mental maths and say, if I succeed the rewards will be magnificent, and if I fail I'll be worse off but OK, then go for it. Though I think as a rule it is better to err on the side of caution if the reward is not that great. I think Angie's hospital episode gives an idea of the best space to be in during time of adversity or uncertainty, of course the chances of her actually dying must have been great given the circumstances and the uncertainty, but she remained in the eye of the storm all along. The key though is that it takes having to weather a lot of storms, and still finding yourself emerging whole time and time again. No, even stronger than before. I think it relates to The Release, when you emerge from the cocoon as a newly winged creature, you also have a renewed mindset in the midst of the challenges of life.

I tend to have a high proclivity for risk, particularly the financial kind, simply because I'm OK with losing it all except that I have dependents which does temper the extent of of the risks I do take. The thing is, if you have anything to loose then I suppose any risk is very easy to take, and thus risks should indeed be calculated beforehand, in fact the greatest stuntmen are the greatest calculators of risk, other once intrepid individuals with the same propensity for risk but not preparation, are long dead and buried, or severely disabled.
BTW, there is a fine line between being courageous and being cavalier. This in fact is the 6th shade, The Cavalier, of The Seven Shade of Darkness which I'm yet to publish. May do it soon, but there is another, Theomania, that follows this one which I wish to publish first. In fact it one relates to much of the discussion we've had up to now.
six shades or The Six Shade? sounds like six thinking hats. what is it going to be about: psychic or mental conditions or attitude or behaviour? looking forward to getting privileged exclusive preview extracts that are relevant to us here
Hi Rolling, They are basically 7 unconscious personalities we all tend to have operating in our psyche. I've posted five of them and you can follow this link to get to the first, the The Devil -- it basically is about how our desperate mindsets causes us to do what we otherwise would not have and how this causes unintended consequences. The others are: The Victim - self explanatory; The Enforcer - conformism; The Vortex - fear of sin; The Strangler - expectation. The links to these are on the top of each post. As indicated before I will still post The Cavalier - overconfidence; and The Conjurer - denial/delusion.

I usually attempt to have a gap between posts so I may post it by next week, though often I simply post in response to synchronous events.

Thanks for the interest!
Newton: Do these 7 unconscious (sub?)personalities have "negative" / "negating" connotations? Or, is there a "flip" (paradoxically induced) 'side' to each one of the 7 - for example, "the conjurer' can also be 'the fool' or 'the magician' - a very powerful, creative (collective and personal) archetype...(?)

James E. - As nothing remains static, then it is a relief, I am sure, to know that moods do not remain static either - As Newton (and 12-step programs) say: "This too shall pass" - both the "good" and the "bad" - There is a season, and it is all a-turning.

An indigenous Medicine Man I know of from a village in Burkino Faso once said "The Universe is in Flux." And then he laughed. Reminds me of a poet-friend of mine running into Leonard Cohen and saying simply: "The Universe is Vast." Leonard replied, "Yes, it is." They understood, and so there was nothing more to say. Once the space is filled, then even the words, symbols, concepts themselves are extraneous, perhaps...
A---good points...I am still rereading the one to Newton, as I dont yet fully comprehend it in all its nuances (ie it's over my "current", static-filled head)//

but...as for yr remark to me, it nearly floored me,
cuz that was my dedead father, george the hapless german principal's,
favoite motto....next to "i shall return", quoting his hero macarthur...seriously , though: herbert benot has a theory that moods can indeed become near static----he compares them to muscle cramps..in his "the light of zen in the west", which is currently way overdue... emotions= brief feelling, moods= feelings that came to stay awhile, mood disordered "cramps" = a nightmare.....and! they REALLY do also cramp yr damn muscles..ack!

Seems you kinda dig Leonard. We should have a Dylan-Cohen quote off....

and yes, read yr Blake assiduously! You and he are very simpatico...spookily so...yr diamond madmen in yr latest work is so similar to his Los ....i dropped my diet coke when i read it!!!

As for nothing-more-to -say moments..well, the next moment is always rushing at you like a wave of existential fire...you are always in the same eternal moments, rather...so there is always something more to say, to unflod...even iff it's as banal as, "ya spilled diet coke on yr pants, dodo-bird"

best , jim

pas wouldnt it be COOL to have the whole cult working all at once?

back to you on yr 7 subpersonality thingy when i figger it out..
Angie, about:

Do these 7 unconscious (sub?)personalities have "negative" / "negating" connotations? Or, is there a "flip" (paradoxically induced) 'side' to each one of the 7 - for example, "the conjurer' can also be 'the fool' or 'the magician' - a very powerful, creative (collective and personal) archetype...(?)

I didn't look at them as Caroline Myss did, but rather as a way to identify where one's thought patterns may be emanating from. However there are interconnections between them. for instance The Devil (desperation) can oftentimes lead our highest achievements, the difference being whether one masks it as The Victim (or or Oppressor) or not. The Cavalier is a counter personality to The Enforcer, The vortex and The Strangler. The Conjurer is the handmaiden of The Devil, but I did not look at the counter side of the Conjurer specifically as I was merely looking at in in terms of how we con or deceive ourselves and how this draws The Devil into our lives, and not necessarily how we entertain ourselves. Perhaps this is something I should explore.
Within my own model, I would reframe your unconscious personalities as representing subtle, yet at times distinct, "reality distortions" - aka "splitting" - both intrapsychically and externally. I have discussed this previously in other comments in your posts. Meaning, in my own work I "trans" even symbolism (to a certain degree) as one must do if one is considering "nondual" field(s) - This "field" I term "Non-Order" (My model is non-linear but may also be considered from a linear perspective as well; the continuum would read as follows: Disorder/Order/Transorder/Nonorder - and of course, one can go so deeply into the felt-sense experience of "Nonorder" that one wraps around to the "other side" of this hypothetical continuum until one is inhabiting the realm of the "disordering" process yet again - Stan Grof might call this wrapping around back into "disorder" from "trans" or "non" ordering experiences a "Spiritual Emergency" - but of course, such a "wrapping around" can turn into full blown psychosis, if one becomes lost within the disordering process entirely, and/or if one has actual organic illness.

This disordering process, in the way I use it here, can actually be a "health-seeking" process, a process that is filled with all the potentiality of creation itself, with the attendant creative chaos...but having a guide during such a quest is advisable, as it is easy to become lost, sometimes, "permanently" - addiction would be just one example of this.
Angie, I think the terminology and approach may be different, but I think we're exactly on the same page, and particular with the disorder representing an opportunity to tap and grow (as a tap root would) into a higher alternate dimension or spiritual state if you like. This growth process I summarized in my previous post, The Release.