“Compartmentalisation is easy. Integrity is painful.It requires we be fully open to the conflicting forces and ideas and stresses of life.” – [M. Scott Peck]
The irony with regard to modern science is that it now is in a position to prove much of what it had initially sought to debunk.
Besides the obvious difficulty in having to admit this, the rational endeavour of exploring the external surface of reality was most certainly a necessary one, and one that I suppose could not have been otherwise. Unfortunately the obstacle preventing a new scientific understanding on the all-important matter of our existence is inherent in intellectualism itself, in that it generally is dialectic. In dialectics a common understanding usually derived at by the debate of opposing points of view by opposing proponents of the particular view.
And thus the tendency is that we view reality as either one way or another, or perhaps somewhere in between, but never to incorporate aspects of the opposing stance. Dialectics – colloquially referred to as the dialectic of progress – therefore is unavoidably adversarial with factions vociferously arguing for one view of reality; while another group arguing for the exact opposite. Thus most of the time the opposing parties usually are equally wrong and equally right on some aspect of the truth. As a result, the intellectual debate is reactive, with the tendency being to hold a position against a particular point of view, instead of having a stance towards advancing knowledge and understanding.
This unfortunately is how science progresses: through the scientific debate, as the opposing viewpoints – often after decades of bitter squabbling – eventually find a measure of common ground; and usually decades after the truth had already been established. And because the boisterous self-serving ego which frequently involved with the associated intellectualism, it usually only leads to more division and confusion than any true enlightenment.
“We have to live today by what truth we can get today and be ready tomorrow to call it falsehood.” – [William James]
To understand how the various layers of mind fit together, we have to appreciate that the Rationaliser is at the centre of our Human Consciousness model despite our depiction representing it exclusively within spacetime. To understand this we can view the Rationaliser as the executive part of our being allowing us to constructively navigate both materiality as well as unmateriality with. The Reactor on the other hand is also an Interpreter of sorts, in that it simply interprets environmental stimuli, similarly producing a structured impersonal response.

Human Consciousness Model
We can in fact re-interpret our previous Consciousness Model as a balancing scale as depicted below. In this diagram the Rationaliser can be seen as being responsible for constructively balancing the needs of the Self for communion with all of creation, against the very real demands of our very noisy and determined Sensor.

Human Consciousness depicted as a Reality Scale
The Self can thus be viewed as a motorized fulcrum which has the power to tip the scale of consciousness in either direction. This is determined by the choices we make based on how we process the information from our environments within the Rationaliser. Doing so strengthening the Self to assert itself in the world by developing will power—the inner power that allows us to tilt the scales of Consciousness in the direction, based on our judgement and deliberations, that best serves our personal and our collective human ends. And if a choice is not a product of will, it stands to reason that the choice is either a neutral one, or one that goes directly against an end that would nurture the Self.
Constructive living therefore requires we balance the incessant demands of the Sensor, with that of the Observer (Integrator) calling us towards higher levels of Integration. To achieve an ordered relationship with reality – as opposed to a disordered one – therefore requires we consciously balance the forces at play emanating from these divergent aspects of our being. We do this by developing a realistic relationship with our greater world by incorporating all information; to in this way better represents all ends of the reality scale.
This though is only truly possible once we become open-minded by developing the ability for both reflection and reason, in this way allowing one to make informed choices by utilising the full scope of information that may be at our disposal.
Realism versus Idealism
“Denying realism amounts to megalomania (the most widespread occupational disease of the professional philosopher).” – [Karl Popper]
There are many other examples of the aforementioned tension of the opposites: such as that between labour versus management, conservatives versus liberals, the religious versus the scientific community, romantics versus existentialists, developers versus nature conservationists. But since time immemorial this tension is encapsulated by that between realists and idealists. Realists being more comfortable with a pragmatic and systematic approach towards progress, generally preferring to maintain the status quo. The unfortunate downside of this though is that they also tend to view the world pessimistically as well.
On the other hand idealists tend to strive towards a more radical future reality and consequently are generally more optimistic about the future. Though very often unrealistically so.
The major paradox we can derive from this is that the best place to be is not in one camp or the other, but rather, to incorporate both mental dynamics. Perhaps one orientation being more dominant than the other at any particular point in time within one’s life. This perhaps being dependent on our individual experiences which may affect our confidence, or how our personalities may be inclined towards facing uncertainty.
To illustrate how this paradox may play out, suppose you have an accounting business: to while dutifully doing the day-to-day grind expected of an accountant, nevertheless to dream that one day your business would become the leading accounting firm in your city, your country, or the world, and to envision how that position of power and prosperity may change the world for the better. Otherwise without the latter, the endeavour will have no meaningful higher significance, but rather that of shallow self gratification.
These are the examples of George Soros and Bill Gates, who after amassing great wealth and influence in an intensely cutthroat capitalist business world that requires absolute pragmatism, to also have become the greatest philanthropists of our time. This they invariably could not have accomplished if they had only sought to address the needs of all-humanity before their own ascension to power and affluence. If they indeed did so without having made their personal acquisition they in all likelihood would not have had much influence to affect the world meaningfully at all.
This is exactly what drove Soros. Having seen the devastation of World War II, he vowed he someday would have the power to influence the world for the better. And that he certainly did, and is still doing, having left a legacy which will more than likely continue his vision of a better world well beyond his departure from this lifetime.
Those with such great ideals and who succeed at them are called visionaries: having the capacity to successfully reconcile their magnificent dream for a better world into material reality. These are the examples set by the Alexander’s, Nelson Mandela’s, Mahatma Ghandi’s, Martin Luther King’s, Michael Gorbechov’s, Henry Ford’s, Richard Branson’s, Albert Einstein’s, Mother Theresa’s, Bill Clinton’s and Thomas Edison’s of this world.
This is as opposed to a van Gough who was also such an idealist who indeed dreamed of a future reality that was yet to be, impressionist art. But unfortunately was so out of touch with the reality of his time; while leaving an incalculably rich legacy for a future world, for himself only unfulfilment, pain and misery.
Do we now blame the people of his day for the predicament this genius was faced with?
Perhaps!
Then again, who can blame anybody for merely being what their time and place expected of them. They after all were the realists, not the foolish starry-eyed idealist wanting to change their world to his particular vision, but with which they were very comfortable with.
And van Gough certainly has to take a large measure of responsibility for his own predicament, for if he was a realist as well he would have known that for his own comfort he should still take care of the here and now by still catering for the mindset of his time, albeit narrow, while certainly still creating on the canvass of the future.
Please forgive the example for I know the high position we have given this great artist. I nevertheless used the above example because I doubt van Gough did his artwork necessarily towards an ideal aimed at the betterment of all humanity. Therefore that the resulting suffering and ridicule was a willing he was prepared to pay for the fulfilment of this ideal
Though this most notably the case with Joan of Ark, for the price she knew she risked paying for the ideal of a free France, was her very own life. And how dreadfully did she willingly die, to be burnt alive at the Stake while having the choice to save her life by forsaking her dream. If this was indeed so for van Gough he certainly would not have taken his life in despair for the rejection of his great vision.
Again ,please note that I hesitantly used this example. It nevertheless is a poignant one as it clearly demonstrates the consequences of not integrating the opposite mental dynamics in our life and in no way is intended to diminish the life and work of van Gough. There is also the possible medical condition of Schizophrenia to consider. But the reality is nevertheless that to have such a strong gift that brings such a clear future vision into one’s current reality is the most difficult human requirement by its very nature to reconcile within one’s realistic sense of Self. It is because it requires an equally strong sense of present reality to maintain a state of internal balance and harmony that one does not become derailed by one’s overwhelming ideals. And as is the case with Autistic Savants who have inherited a single superhuman gift, our genius very often has an incalculable price to be forfeited: our potential loss of connectedness to the time and space we are born into.
One therefore can consider van Gough’s predicament being that he was too gifted, his vision too advanced, particularly in being born in a very repressive time in history. Though, if he was fortunate enough to have lived today his vision could resulted in a very different outcome altogether.
But then again, perhaps not.
© Newton Fortuin – 2006
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he could not comply in the way the world wanted him to - he knew of this better, other way, - our society does not seem to have developed a way to accommodate otherness despite so many theories, religion, philosophy: even today, we squabble over Gay rights!!!
that is what makes me think all this shit was created not to elevate, but to subjugate the race, by those that think they deserve it all?
except of course Marxism and Freud and Chomsky and Buddha and Viveknanda
Love is very important, wherever it may come from. But some of our friends fear love! Maybe bec we rarely get to experience the real nurturing kind of love
Love and compassion are important as it feeds the deepest fiber of our being, but it too is a paradox, it is a gift that is its own reward, it should not be an expectation, and the lack of it an excuse. But yes, vG story was an absolute tragedy as it should be viewed within the context of his time.
both in my life and in my painting,
but I cannot,
suffering as I am,
do without something which is greater
than I,
which is my LIFE,
THE POWER TO CREATE..."
Van Gogh, letter to his brother...
"Yes, my voices were of God; my voices have not decieved me" Joan of Arc's last words
Newton, I don't know if we can understand Vg's or Joan's,
or Wm Blake's, or Meister Eckhardt's,
orAurobindo's,
or the Buddha's, or Christ's,
mindsets...they are evolutionary freaks...they create new worlds...
What i mean by new worlds is: new paradigms of thought. Dialectic is a living force:
Hegel, the Idealist par excellence, said:it is a lesser mental power at work in Science, what he called the Understanding...where ever ideas and procedures are kept aprt
from other ideas and procedures...
into which, however, in reality, they naturally shade ...
Science deals with its subject matter from a peculiar, single standpoint,
and must dismiss all other standpoints as irrelevant. Understanding is the principle
of all all bourgeois virtue. You gotta stick to yr subject matter: law, art, physics,
math, ...you seize on objects in their definiteness
...it separates off the abstract aspects
of things...
Now, Dialectic is "the self-supersesion
of of the finite determinations
of the Understanding..."
One-sided abstractions are complemented by alternative abstractions...
sometimes they are antithetical, sometimes complementary...
at high levels, Dialectic is shuttling back & forth between ideas known to be
interdependent & correlative....Now, here is where Absolute Idealism becomes tres controversial:
Hegel attributes these to the world itself!
"Dialectic is the principle of all the movement
and of all the activity we find in reality....
more later
you are partly correct. there is always a conservative force at work in the societal arena. Indeed it tries to keep things as they are, asn even..as they WERE. This is against the reality of human becoming. I am therefore i become is golden...very nice....we become every day, dialectically..we incorporate (think about this word..in-corpus..we bodily bring forth) the living dialectic...Hegel & theiedealists unfortunately called it Verstandt...reason...it is NOT analytical reasoning...deductive & inductive, etc..that is Vernunft...we are talking here about...
a way of seeing the world that is able to take MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES....this is the first human accomplishment: to take the view of the oTHER...it is the development out of primary narcisssim...we see through the eyes of the GROUP, at first...and this is wheremost people stop developing, due to the conservative force at work, which i just mentioned...some special individuals continue up the ...well, call it whatever...the Maslowian need ladder, perhaps....
all these abstractions we are throwing about are just words...the raw existential reality of the situation, in the here/now...that is what is important...it DEVELOPS...it evolves....the viewpointof the individual ascends....to seeing through the eyes of all humans...to nature mysticism, where one feels as though they are one with all creation...then to the more subtle realms...the world of dreams and visions, etc..angels, too...why not! auras, etc..then finally..to the great void of nonbeing itself...wherein being and nonbeing are one...it is such a damn relief sometimes, to realize at base you are..
NOTHING...NO-THING...YOU FLOAT, LIKE A DAMN CLOUD....IN THIS NOTHINGNESS IS THE SEA OF POSSIBILITY..ANGIE, HELP ME HERE...ACK
goes under the surface of the world
and brings out the rational structure of this universe we inhabit...
i enjoy splitting the human soul into
parts as much as the next guy,
but we must remember that at the ultimate level
there is no split, for we are pure being...
and being evolves...that is what it does..
that is the law of being...
being is beyond space/time
being creates space/time subjectively,
that is my position...i am not saying that something...some kantian
"thing-in-itself_ (dich an sich)
does not exist OUT THERE...but what does it matter what exists out there?
we are stuck in here...
In here is unity of being...unity is another law of being..
intersubjectivity iss of the utmost importance,
and must be included in any abstract model of human being....
space/time is a story..
it is a narrative...and
guess what?
WE ARE WRITING IT..
JIM
I mean, I can’t even get past your introductory quote before I’m already feeling the urge to start commenting:
“Compartmentalisation is easy. Integrity is painful. It requires we be fully open to the conflicting forces and ideas and stresses of life.”
The painful nature of integrity is something Michael and I have been contemplating quite a bit lately, especially in the days following the introduction of the ads. I know many passed through this crucible unfazed, but it was significant to Michael and me after having labored for years to avoid the stench of corporate encroachment on our work. After much agonizing deliberation, we ultimately decided, as we mentioned in a comment on one of our recent posts, that people are more important than principles, however passionately we may feel about them. So we ultimately had to sacrifice a small bit of our integrity for the sake of honoring the people we’ve come to care for so deeply here. So in this case, it wasn’t integrity that was painful, but the willingness to compromise this integrity an infinitesimal degree for the sake of a higher calling: people, community, and peace.
Your discussion about the dialectic made me think of of the inner turmoil David is undergoing right now, which also reminded me of the chrysalis of dormancy and the eventual, painful emergence into the butterfly.
And then you got to van Gogh, which merits a whole ’nother tome, especially given that I have been living with someone who is closer to van Gogh than he would ever care to admit—in terms of artistic talent across a spectrum of mediums, autistic sensitivity and temperament, conflicting idealism and cynicism, and an ability to see beyond the artifice of societal conventions. And I know there is no simple answer. I know the suffering borne by a sensitive being forced to inhabit an abrasive society can become almost unbearably harsh, but I also know that conflict is partly what enables the individual to create extraordinarily imaginative works of both art and science that can ulimately change society for the better. One of my first comments at OS touched on this topic:
http://open.salon.com/blog/liz_emrich/2009/01/29/the_new_normal
I would much rather see society expand to include space for those who transcend its prescribed molds than for the individual to have to dilute his vision and integrity for the sake of fitting in. Why is “reality” defined according to prevailing conventions? Is it not possible that the individual seers are attuned to a deeper spiritual reality, which puts them out of kilter with the rest of society while connecting them with something far more profound?
Seems your paper is raising more questions than answers—always a good sign :-)
—Melissa (wearing my non-metaness hat)
In previous posts, I have suggested (via my own work) that the disordering process itself can be a process of creative expressive / re-adjustment / realignment - That the "disordering" process itself is at the same time a "reordering" process.
One of the biggest "issues" I have with most Western therapeutic (and some philosophical) models promoted by most psychotherapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, life coaches, etc, is that there is a focus, nay, even a NEED to get the client into some kind of "order" as soon as possible (for the good of the client? for the good of society? for the good of...?) - Meaning, the "disordering" process is not recognized for what it is and has the vast, infinite potential to be - the pathway to transformation, expansion, and integration. "Contractions" are not seen as an organic process related to the "birthing pains" of Self (a process of contraction and expansion, ad infinitum), but as something to be "cured" or "fixed".
It is my opinion that until this natural "disordering" process is not seen through a narrow, limited perspective, but is itself recognized as a "health-seeking process" moving us toward a renewing of s/Self, then we will continue to be limited by static and fixed ideas regarding even the concept of achieving a sense of "peace," "harmony," "well-being," - Said differently, we will remain limited by ideas of "Perfection" or forced linear pathways thrust upon us, supposedly to "help" us, and yet the very linearity enforced defies the felt/sense awareness of our innate "wholeness".
How to "ride" the disordering process, like a wave, and how to recognize "choice points" that the pain/suffering/chaos may itself be generating / creatively expressing during such "disordering" times is where some sort of "wisdom practice" can come in handy, which makes Newton's work here most valuable, in certain ways.
In general, Western (and other) models over-value the idea of "order" as related to "mental health," adjustment and well-being, often, I suspect, due to the fact that most practitioners and theorists themselves are sitting on a load of intrapsychic "disorder" and "chaos" that they have not dared to explore and "unpack" - which is whymany of them enter the field in the first place ("Physician, heal thyself!")
James, here is my "help": I can offer you only the concept of "NON-ness" - including as related to NON-order (this is beyond "TRANS-order") - but to try to put words to these things is difficult, isn't it, because eventually we enter the realm of "Nonbeing" - the dark mother, the dark matter, and words and our human interpretive symbols no longer exist, do they?
A couple of lines from two different chapters of the Tao Te Ching come to mind also as I read this thread:
1) "The system cannot be divided into parts" (and that is soooo very different than our Western Medical model's way of looking at things - our entire Western culture, for that matter - we are constantly dividing everything into "parts"), and
2) "Too much talk exhausts; better to keep to the inside."
And so I will end here.
Melissa, yes, the piece was meant to stir, knowing the esteem with which we all view van Gough.
You asked:
I would much rather see society expand to include space for those who transcend its prescribed molds than for the individual to have to dilute his vision and integrity for the sake of fitting in. Why is “reality” defined according to prevailing conventions? Is it not possible that the individual seers are attuned to a deeper spiritual reality, which puts them out of kilter with the rest of society while connecting them with something far more profound?
The problem, however/unfortunately, is that the visions of a great majority of these “seers” are fractured, distorted, mere figments of the imagination, and do have very little to contribute to humanity—the distinction between genius and madness indeed is very fine. We should in the very least find more compassionate ways to integrate such individuals.
In the genius factor I wrote:
What it comes down to is, as much as we may aspire to become an Einstein, a Michelangelo, or a Mozart, that it takes a rare confluence of genetics, circumstance, character, endurance, stubbornness, realism, madness, non-conformity, arrogance, obsession, eccentricity, humility, aptitude, daring, restraint, and fate, that one indeed would realize such greatness. And furthermore, that those who may have only the mental genius for this without much of the others, are most likely to be found in insane asylums, or begging for their daily morsels on street corners, or drowning the despair over society’s rejection of their grand visions in a bottle.
The sober realisation this requires is this: that the far greater majority of us, are not called upon to significantly leap humanity forward.
But rather: for the far more important task of being the custodians of the enormous collective gains we have already made.
This is an all important responsibility, and without which we most certainly would not be likely to endure the harsh realities of life with, at al, and should therefore not in the slightest be diminished as being a very noble virtue.
I’m a creative person as well, and up to now most of my creations have been rejected—I create in many mediums. In one particular case I’ve been engaged in a legal battle with the state for almost four years now, it’s exhausting and draining, but a battle I am more than willing to fight. What I constantly have to remind myself of is that it’s my responsibility - my labor, my war - to bring my vision to reality, and it’s the nature of society not to accept the unconventional at a whim, that’s what keeps society at large sane and functioning. It’s self serving to be carried along by our passions, expecting (being deluded) that society will readily go along with us as well. The visionary is the one who must be prepared to suffer for their creation, just as it is to give birth to any new life, and to do so we must wage the dialectic battle within ourselves, and find that place of balance—to be in the world, but not of it.
Just a last thing, one of the characteristics of schizophrenia is the inability to think in terms of the needs of others, and that one’s thinking degenerates to the point of self interest. What I find interesting from this is whether an active change in thinking in terms of the greater good, and less about one’s own self interest, would avert the condition, and this perhaps explaining the lack of pathology in individuals like Einstein, Socrates and Joan of Arc. See, the creative process can become a self absorbed process, and its therefore important for our own sanity to strive to connect to the mindset of the society at large, perhaps while still creating that future masterpiece, which is perhaps what vG failed to achieve, and therefore was drawn more and more into the abyss of his personal isolation. Achieving this balance I think is the fundamental creative challenge, and is the key to our sanity as well.
You are damn right, as always...as is Newton...here's my bleary-eyed morning interpretation of what has thus transpired in our dialogue...
Newton has brilliantly given us a forum, a skelteton of sparkling glittering abstraction
which it is now our duty to give flesh and blood to...
Newton, your point about
how this recent ( a few hundred years)
".looking outward" the Western mind is doing....to the unutterably complex "surface" of the so-called
"objective world"....is a NECESSARY development
is beyond fascinating...you are then suggesting that the disaster of the Cartesian cogito...which all the silly newagers criticize...the disaster of
the scientific outlook, or...from another perspective (see how we are going multi-perspectivial? this is a very advanced talent we so easily employ...it is dialectic)
the triumph of the Scientific age...however you view it...is somehow a necessary evolutionary event...yes?
The going outward of the Western mind..after centuries of being trapped in the Christian paradigm....waiting for the "next world" to reward & judge us...as in the middle ages..
then the swing inward...back to the source...first the Kantian categories...where he effectively said all is suvbjective interpretation, internal imagery of the external world..then the Relativity
paradigm, which we barely yet understand, let alone SEE the world through it....a hundred yrs later,
we are still trapped in multiple self-contradictory paradigms
..we believe in an external world, yet say: "well, everyone has a different interpretation"...we are split down the middle, arent we? We cant decide whther to be subjectivists or objectivists, so we form a shaky reconciliation of both, and suffer....
then the swing far far inward...pioneers of this inwardness appearing in the 20th century
when finally the wisdom of the EAst, so dialectically opposed ...as if written in a storybook!...
so opposite our western paradigms....the eastern wisdom,
finally available...the first tentative steps in incorporating
this "new" stuff into our tired stale old thought structures...
and now , 2009...angie speaks of a vast system, a slippery one indeed!
she is building...and newton...laboring alongside her, in parallel development...
and various voices in the wilderness, the gatherers and protectors of the Light of the Mind...
the realization of the core of nonbeing, the dark mother matrix that
births the cosmos continuously, ever-producing this moment,
this NOW...that has always been the only
place we humans ever were..
whoo!
an overvaluing of order, indeed. Materialists, the lotof them...cognitive science? or worse yet.. modelling the brain after the computer...these are attempts to find some ultimate,
fixed, static order that can be duly manipulated
for our own purposes..."health" , they say..but helath is the free-flow
of the organism/environment field...in constant motion, ever changing, adapting to new circumstances,
busting stale staic paradigms,
in its return to the Source of life...
the God Head..whatever you want to call it...
It's like trying to study a river
by catching a little water in a pail and
minutely examining it, then absurdly
making pronouncements on how the river lives...
you once wrote to me that today
doctors try to adjust us to reality,
some oligarchical hierarchical value system from
another century whose time his up...look at the world today!
see what it has wrought...
instead of toward reality...
we need to jump into the wind...where the poet tells us the answers are blowing...be windgliders of the mind...
sail the seven seas & scubadive to the depths...always following
the tao of the cosmos, listening intently with our inner ears
to its admonishments & instructions..
conglomerate all thought systems! with the idea of eternal process
as our guide..and the deep faith that somewhere,
perhaps outside time/space itself,
all our efforts are being preserved...in
the great heavenly city of the mind, the New Jerusalem
our Christian friends (long dead, most of em)
tell us awaits us
at the "end of history"...
history ends NOW, when it is
self-cognized...we must break out of the mold of
"historical beings" being swept along by currents out
of our control...take back Spacetime, i say!
by going to the core, the non-being,
the no-thing-ness at its very heart...and glorying inthe rest &
ease of continual creation, freshly emerging fromour be-ings..
off to get more coffee! ha!
yeah , right....
anyway...a beautiful point: the intellectual debate is REACTIve...endlessly arguing the same points...its like
a short circuit or a computer loop
gone mad....
the same form of argument...content differing,
as actors rehearse their roles on some stage that
exists only in an ideal courtroom...
where some Judge perhaps sit...who will pronounce on who is right..
but there is no such court...
there is no progression right now, only inflammation...
inflammation of words..
and isnt is coincidental that inflammation
is now seen as the ultimate culprit in the destruction
of our own human flesh by disease?
Amazing self-revelation up there. Thank you. Angie once said that her personal life & public (internet ) life were one & the same...I told her that i am doing a bit of "stagecraft" here...i have a very important story to tell, about the absurdity & torture of the American mental health & legal system...I am using the details of my own life..the numerous arrests, depressions, mania, euphorias, humiliations,
as a kind of heuristic device, ya dig me? A teaching method: look what happened to me. Currently I am being tortured even more: i will be homeless & on the fucking streets of my hometown (my sweet/savage alcoholic mother's nightmare)...but like angie said in her poem, i am not looking for insipid sentimental help...i reject all help, actually...i am on fire,presently...the anxiety and rage are overwhelming, but i keep it down by willpower..soon i will be in ano position to post on OS, i dont think, yunles i go to the library for an hour..
The point is not: look at the poor manic depressive smart guy, wandering the streets like a vagrant..the point is: all details of personal existence have collective (societal ) and archetypal significance....i am perhaps a symbol of something or another...the individual life is precious..in its individuality, its subjectivity...but it is also objectively significant, do you see what i mean? For example, Joan of Arc is a symbol of the religious visionary power of woman, twisted to the aid of WAR! How could this happen? War? A visionary mystical genius serving such a master?
Einstein...VanGogh..all these people were fragments of subjectivity that didnt jive with the contemporary CollectiveMind, or Zeitgeist...
the difference between madness and genius, i think,
resides in the ability to COMMUNICATE the vision in a relevant way to the society...I do not presently have that ability..but i dont wish to besimply a "custodian"...do you?...of course not...you fight on...you are a hero of the mind, my friend...
Sorry for the extreme emotionality. I have a coreof fear I must express, or i shall implode...INTEGRATION into the colletive is indeed the answer..and how to do it? Simple..
Use the vernacular speech. Language is the key here. The old dream of a universal language ( a la Leibnizz)..but...not one based on symbolic logic..or mathematics...one that is raw and existential and evolving..consider, as an example, how Shakespeare changed the course of the English language...how he invented so many words...that we use today...why not invent new phrases...new words...?
eh?
These words give me great courage that you will prevail,
Einstein...VanGogh..all these people were fragments of subjectivity that didnt jive with the contemporary CollectiveMind, or Zeitgeist...the difference between madness and genius, i think, resides in the ability to COMMUNICATE the vision in a relevant way to the society...I do not presently have that ability..but i dont wish to be simply a "custodian"...
See, that is your predicament, your have a remarkable gift which is your responsibility to translate.
But as you continue:
I have a core of fear I must express, or i shall implode...INTEGRATION into the colletive is indeed the answer..and how to do it? Simple..
Use the vernacular speech. Language is the key here. The old dream of a universal language ( a la Leibnizz)..but...not one based on symbolic logic..or mathematics...one that is raw and existential and evolving..consider, as an example, how Shakespeare changed the course of the English language...how he invented so many words...that we use today...why not invent new phrases...new words...?
See, you're once again faced with van Gough's dilemma, you can only communicate successfully to the world in the language they currently understand, and perhaps only then to transcend to become the creative master which you obviously wish to become. You first must reign yourself back to assimilate successfully amongst the ordinary before you can transcend our being to the extraordinary, so to take humanity to the next frontier.
I know you are facing the worst of circumstances right now, but the world is in a downward spiral, and so many are facing the same predicament, but the exception is that you can only ascend, you have already seen the worst a believe. So now more than any other time is perhaps the best time to take that first step towards achieving that latent potential. A journey of thousand miles begins with the first step, but in your case it can only begin once you take a few reflective steps back.
Sorry I was not able to get to your post, or anyone else's for that matter, and I'm off to bed right now but will do so at my earliest convenience.
Be strong and hold on!
Newton: Question for you - You write (to James): "See, you're once again faced with van Gough's dilemma, you can only communicate successfully to the world in the language they currently understand, and perhaps only then to transcend to become the creative master which you obviously wish to become. You first must reign yourself back to assimilate successfully amongst the ordinary before you can transcend our being to the extraordinary, so to take humanity to the next frontier."
(Now Angie talking here): With the rationale you are applying, as excerpted above, is the artist, the true "creative," somehow supposed to deliberately "adjust" the nature and quality of the creation(s) so that the collective can more easily digest them (the "ordinary" people you allude to?) And that if he/she cannot, then he/she is a mere casualty of impaired faculties for not being able to communicate to the "masses," so to speak?
If so, then I strongly disagree. I can tell you that when writing a scholarly paper, for example, it is not that difficult to adjust and tailor the work (even though admittedly writing about "nonduality" has its challenges, no matter WHO the audience), particularly based on feedback, trial runs, etc., so that students and conference attendees can at least have a glimmer of understanding (on a good day, that is). However, I can also tell you that when I write a poem, it comes from a(seemingly) entirely different place (the "collective soup", so to speak) and it comes out fast, as if I am "automatic writing". and I do not and do not wish to be or feel "in control" of this process - It is natural, fervent, and organic. I am quite aware, and have been for years and years (I began writing at age four), that my poems leave most people mystified, or cold, ir disinterested, or confused, and yet, I would not change or "adjust" them for the world (literally and figuratively), as I value and respect the process, this form of creative expression, and the final "product" that results.
This, what I write above, ties directly in with my earlier comment regarding disordering/reordering and the Western penchant for "order" (while chaos reigns within and without - just look at how well anti-depressant and anxiety pills sell to the average folk here in America, with no genuine DSM diagnosis); James now points out that Eastern philosophy impacted America in the 20th century (and beyond), in ways that may not yet be fully understood, as most Eastern philosophy is misunderstood not only by Westerners, but Easterners as well (particularly the more ancient wisdom texts). This is interesting, in that I referenced Western and Eastern values and differences in a post to Rolling yesterday on James "Hamlet" entry.
Anyway, would like very much to hear back from you on this sometime, both this comment of mine here, and the one I wrote earlier, above, on "disordering/reordering." - A.
The following extracts from The Virtue of Nonviolance: from Gutama to Gandhi emphasizes Gandhi’s and the Gita’s views on this topic, and supports your previous assertion.
Gandhi then reiterates one of his most basic principles, that it is worse to be a coward than to commit violence. True Hindu dharma “does not under any circumstances countenance running away in fear. In this world that baffles our reason, violence there will then always be.” Gandhi is essentially conceding the point that the Gita may indeed be an account of a battle in which Arjuna’s duty is to fight his cousins or be condemned a coward… Arjuna’s karma yoga consists in not a renunciation of action but only in the fruits of action. What Gandhi draws from the Gita is a basic philosophy of active nonattachment. Ghandi states that the unmistakable “unmistakable teaching of the Gita” is that “he who gives up action falls. He who gives up reward rises.”
Note that the above is a very clear argument against views such as the Law of Attraction of The Secret which argues for our attention to be focused on the reward which we wish to attract, and hence is also directly supporting the argument in Lucifer’s Law and Theomania.
For me it comes down to practicality and addressed it in my argument with James in Theomania, and is related to the general issue of suffering which until then James was somewhat averse to. And this suffering is related to the general issue of The Tension of Opposites, or the willingness to fight the inner war. My own view - which is intrinsic to most theological views such as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam Confucianism and even Hinduism as alluded to by the previous quote - is that mental health is a product of our willingness to suffer. One of them is to suffer a measure of conformity primarily because our mode of income our sustenance is dependent on the society we engage our livelihood in, we have to meet their expectations. The other is the willingness to suffer aloneness, to be different, to suffer our creative vision. As you indicated, your vision, your creation, is not widely appreciated by the many, but one day in the hitherto future, perhaps way past your death, society may come around, or it may not. For every van Gough there are millions upon millions whose visions were never recognized, not threat they may have been in any way inferior, but then again our visions are subjective, it can only be concretized in the objective world of our collective conformed experiences, this collective/shared experience is the testing ground of our sanity.
If you have an expectation that society appreciate your wayward visions that you may one day earn a living from it, you do not have a realistic expectation of others as they are as they are, they are the product of humankind’s collective experience, their collective evolution, and theirs the current mode by which we must rightly or wrongly measure ourselves and abide to, or risk being shunted to the margins of society.
So for instance adverts have to be included or else there may very well not be a community such as salon, and that the banal is worshipped is sad, but it the reality of our time, perhaps you can also contribute banality and so alleviate your isolation, or be true to your creative spirit. But then again you can suffer that isolation as this is such a small aspect of who you actually are that it does not significantly affect the quality of your being.
See, you're in a fortunate position in that you do have a mode of existence to which you do significantly conform, albeit that you do also test its boundaries moreso than others, but if you were to completely let go, you too would be shunted as a maverick, and you may loose the basis of your earthly sustenance. The question you have to ask is: are you prepared to pay this price? Your poetry therefore is a way you can reach outside of the limitations of that world and be a true creative spirit, and indeed, as van Gough, your creativity is not appreciated as it perhaps should. And this is where our sanity becomes tested, it’s is our visions are the subjective images which are projections of our unique being, not anyone else’s, and it is a rare blessing to find as deep a connection as you have done on Salon. But when there is an expectation of wholesale acceptance, we have set ourselves up on a course that may very well lead to our doom. Theirs, the masses, is the world we ultimately have to conform to a degree that we can yet maintain our individuality if we wish to have a reasonable chance at survival, that is the delimma of the genius, the failing of which can have dire consequences for our sanity.
The question now is this, are we willing to pay the price for our grand vision? It being our potential isolation. And if yes, then one should gladly continue. And if not, we are obliged to yet create on the canvass of the here and now, while still finding the creative outlet to create on the magnificent canvass of the infinite.
The question is, which are we prepared to suffer? I personally think we are first obliged to suffer our genius for conformity, it's almost a necessary discipline required for our mental health, to reach out to society before we can reach towards the mountaintops that the society from which we emanate nurture and support that journey, and indeed so we can reach enormous highs, and so the society that nurtures the ascent of the individual, also nurtures its own evolution well. But first the individual of necessity must successfully integrate into the collective, and indeed esteem him or herself that that society develops the confidence in their potential to also invest in their ascent. The genius that is unhappy with either choice, the discipline to conform, or the preparedness to suffer isolation, will unfortunately find very little solace in this world.
Please note that I never in my wildest imagination have ever expected to profit or make a living from my poetry - this would be true "insanity" on my part, were I to think along such imaginative lines! I also do not feel "isolated" as a writer/poet, nor have I ever felt a great need to have my poems understood, as I do not fully "understand" them myself. But to watch others play with their symbols and find some upliftment and/or enlightenment from that experience is rewarding indeed, and more than I could ever have expected to find here.
I understand you clearly, what you write, above, and it is a philosophy I am very familiar with, given that so much of my previous (co-authored) work incorporates Confucian values - adapting to society being a primary value within this particularly system of thought. It is interesting that many of my Chinese clients associate Confucianism with Mao and Communism and have no interest in re-conceiving it as an ancient wisdom text that has great meaning and value in today's society. But that is a different conversation for another time.
You argue your point very well, and most eloquently. This, then, would mean that "mental health" and well-being depends on one's ability/willingness/aptitude to "adapt" to the "mainstream," so to speak - at least, enough to "get by" and "get along." This adaption must precede scaling the creative heights of the mountain-tops, mountain-tops which society itself underpins and supports, so to speak. All then benefit via this interdependent, evolutionary process.
And yet...If you are familiar with Arthur Miller's (originally under-appreciated) film "The Misfits," (which some called the first "Eastern-influenced/Western-Existential movie made"), this might serve as a means of voicing something within me that is difficult to put into words in response to what you so thoughtfully wrote. The main characters in this story attempted to defy having to "adapt" to societal changes (give up making their living off of catching/selling wild mustangs to make meat out of), and as the reality of the changing world presses in on them, they each begin to crack in various ways - How to "adapt," and at what cost? Toward the end, after Gable's character ties up a mustang, then sets it free (had to tie it up after a great struggle, then set it free, just to show Monroe's character who was boss, as she saw them as "murderers" of these free and wild animals), he says the following to her:
"Don't want nobody makin' up my mind for me, that's all. Damn 'em all! They changed it, changed it all around. Smeared it all over with blood. I'm finished with it. It's, it's like, like ropin' a dream now. I just gotta find another way to be alive, that's all. If there is one anymore..."
Society, in a sense, demands/dictates that those who are "misfits" find another way to be alive...unless they have the where-with-all to "fit in" just enough to walk within the two worlds (one foot on the bottom of the mountain, one foot on top) - those that "make it work" somehow. I am likely one of those - My father was not (despite his recognized "genius" amongst his peers, society demanded he conform and after giving it a good try for 10 years he simply could not do it anymore for reasons I won't get into here). Is this "good luck," or "bad luck" (referring to anciety Chinese story once again)? I cannot assume that my father regretted reverting back to his "misfit" status during his 33 year "disappearance" (where he wrote and drank freely, unburdened by family); will I regret the compromises I have made to "fit in," just enough? It is intriguing to contemplate...
You've summed up the inner battle perfectly with this:
Society, in a sense, demands/dictates that those who are "misfits" find another way to be alive...unless they have the where-with-all to "fit in" just enough to walk within the two worlds (one foot on the bottom of the mountain, one foot on top).
Easier said than done as you should very well know being in the field you're in, but nevertheless a view that one should intellectually appreciate and is the cornerstone of James and my deliberations over quite a number of posts.
May the dialectic within be vibrant, lively and robust.
in Bengali we have this word called "atma" that stands for the soul. the word for relative is "atmiya" , which means, anyone that can relate to your soul is true relative. therefore in India, we do not always be with people that are blood reltaions, or call families we were born into 'family'. we go along life building our own families.
James, you are family to me in this sense and that means I feel responsible, and am prepared to do what I might to ensure you are ok. it could even be asking other people for help.
I do not mind begging for you. this is not 'love' the way the West knows it. but I don't think you would understand. if you ever came to India, you might.
we often call absolute strangers, 'mother', or 'aunt' - in fact, my father addressed all elderly women as 'mother'. they felt hugely happy blessed him with all their heart.
you would be fine.
I think James if you let yourself love, not be afraid to be loved (with all responsibilities that that implies) made an effort to not cringe at what you may have to lose to keep what you might keep, you would be writing your book, and we would be happy - for you, for ourselves, it would mean win for us all here, if you win this battle, this war.
Gandhi in one place said, if he had to choose between cowardice and violence, he would choose violence everytime.
really wish they would introduce comment edit here or at least preview
btw, for everyone here, even I am on the point of being evicted, bec I am that kind of Hindu that eats meat fish, and the landlord the kind that don't. they have taken three months rent in advance (for which they refused to give a receipt anf the local methodist Church Pastor says that is ok) , the broker has already climed his brokerage that is one month's rent money, it has been only a month - now they refuse to sign my agreement or honour their word.
being not married, without a man or anyone to stand up for me here in this strange city, I do not speak their language, there is nothing I can do. school will not intervene, nor can I go to the police as there is no proof of transaction. millions in India, women that dare to dream and do their thing without compromising, live this kind of life.
so James you are not alone, nor you Angie: my community will not help you know why? bec they think I am the Maverick. by refusing to take another man, by doing my thing, by not giving in, I stand out. so did my sister whom I lost two weeks back to the bite of bees.
everybody said, "but she brought itupon herself, who asked her to live alone in the village when she could be in the city?" but she wanted to serve in the rural areas where we need good teachers.
"so James you are not alone, nor you Angie: my community will not help you know why?" there shd be a comma after 'help'. and there shd be end stop not colon after 'Angie'
I have been asked to leave, they came - four men knocking at my door a little while ago to intimidate me . I simply didnt open the door - would see what I can do tomorrow morning. maybe I would just pack up and leave if shool does not help. go and work for a less known school that provides accommodn but where there would be not job satisfaction, where I could never write curriculum to effect chnge or actively praticipate in the process of change.
but my safety should be imp to my school. and me. so ... I may quit. so am looking at religious bigotry, hostility, homelessness, on the verge of another move, job chnge, regressing back to uninteresting, unrewarding work - whew! m going to sleep now and think of this tomorrow it is late now
I am going to burn incense and a candle for you and envision that a bridge toward the light is being built, one that will lead you into safe environs and loving support. You are a most courageous woman. My prayers and thoughts are with you.
Blessings,
Angie
goodness gracious...
looks like we who love to analyze the
colons & semicolons and periods
of suffering find ourselves
living it first hand...i wonder why....
we are all about to be tested & judged...
we who live at the outskirts of town yet wish perversely
somewise to reintegrate...after leaving the proverbial
Platonic cave (or cage) & returning...
God help us all...
i love you all...
remember that...
and Love, the human form divine,
and peace, the human dress"
(the voice of a madman)
Love to all, James, a homeless madman
Less fervent now. Only fervent in the morning. Thoughful and scholarly in the afternoon...
The argument seems to be about the placeof the creative person IN society. Well, the reason Angie (and I)
cannot accept the old
"well, maybe someone'll understand you after yre dead " argument...cold comfort indeed!)
is the need we seel, whether we admit it to ourselves
or not, to CHANGE the very mental structure
of the world, in order to allow the free flow of whatever
forces...personal, interpersonal, transpersonal...
inherent inthe individual, which are presently being blocked,
subdued or subjugated. We want change. Period.
We are getting a little tired (and bored!) with the current
Loop of Reason
as i see it...
endless arguments on the same topics, with no fresh new perspectives. All perspectives are
personal, either GroupMind , group being allegience to nation, principle, morality...a very low part of the spectrum
indeed. To conform to this is ...well, it's a form of suicide,
I feel.
more later i hope
And no one is stopping you to be a force of change, but are you prepared to suffer for it?
Unfortunately this is the only way, or else the unwise and the foolish and the corrupt and the deceitful have an equal chance to sway the pendulum towards any whimful fancy. This would be the end of structure, the beginning of total anarchy, and ultimately, the collapse of society allotter.
This does not mean we should accept any unjust, but don’t be fooled, fighting for justice does not mean a just reward, it is a act of courage, and what makes courage differenct from mere whim, is that there is very real risks involved—our comfort, our careers, our livelihoods, our family, our life.
So “to CHANGE the very mental structure” usually demands some or other premiusm from us, and we need to ask whether we are prepared to pay the required price. Rolling is a very good example, and she certainly is courageous enough to suffer the isolation and rebuke that such a struggle requires. She’s going against the grain of a very ancient society and there certainly is great risk involved, and she may not even experience the benefit of that struggle in her lifetime, but it seems a price she’s willing to pay and we should have the utmost admiration for that, and it should inspire us to do the same in our own communities as well.
When I read this:
We are getting a little tired (and bored!) with the current Loop of Reason as I see it...
endless arguments on the same topics, with no fresh new perspectives. All perspectives are personal, either GroupMind , group being allegiance to nation, principle, morality... a very low part of the spectrum indeed. To conform to this is... well, it's a form of suicide,
I feel.
I think you’re very mistaken by the above, firstly there are very many fresh perspective, perhaps not always mainstream, but may very well influence society at one time or other. Allegiance to nation, principle, morality is not low at all, that is normal for most, and it is intrinsically healthy, and you could have added duty and responsibility as well. It may be a form of suicide to you because your nature may not be to conform, but then the price you pay is your isolation, you will be relegated to the margins of society, this then would be your price for freedom which may in fact really be mere whim, and which I said, is not freedom at all, as you are blown hither and thither like a feather in the wind of consequence.
Q: What do you think of the statement: "Without boundaries there is no true freedom"? And how might this apply to our own human relationships?
A: The following Kahlil Gibran verses comes to mind:
In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes.
You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief. But rather when these things girdle your life and yet you rise above them naked and unbound.
It's the classical freedom versus responsibility paradox, we do as we wish, and feel as we are unbounded, yet we are inevitably the prisoner of the consequences of our actions. A billiard ball is not free to go in any direction it wishes, it is limited by the other billiard balls on the table, and will be repelled in the opposite direction if it collides with another ball of equal mass.
I suppose when we say we are free and unbounded, we are in a way are like the feather in the wind, and therefore not really free at all as we have become subject to the moods of the wind.
When we choose to bound ourselves, to understand the limits of our power and influence, we can grow that space within which to assert ourselves. So in a very real sense, our power is also related to how realistically we are able to perceive the limits of our personal power to affect that sphere, for within that space, we then are all powerful, and therefore also truly free to be.
Such explorations with my clients then result in an honest examination of what suffering is most personally meaningful (as the suffering may be, in a sense, truly unavoidable, so "meaningful suffering" might be the optimal route to take), but ALSO, it is imperative that we explore how the psyche AND THE BODY is doing with all of this - I find that intuitive/artistic/visionary types can be extraordinarily affected / impacted by the various systems and struggles they are engaged in, and each person handles various environmental stressors differently. So at a certain point, highly skilled body and energy work and highly developed meditation practices are strongly encouraged by me, as well as the development of a peer-support system where the individual senses they are "seen" and recognized by at least a few, and their valiant struggle (and the resulting "invitations-to-change" - which might be as simple as a client saying to their family system / family of origin "I am asking that there be room in our family for my feelings to be heard") is supported and validated by (hopefully) more than just one's therapist.
I have clients who now are moving along in the art world who literally nearly died at a soul level while attempting to adapt via working in mainstream settings, doing the corporate-gig, buying the house and paying the mortgage, etc - They came to me with depression, decades-long suicidal-ideation, etc - Today they are thriving, but they were required to make many "adjustments," take many risks, challenge many of the systems they exist within (wisely, not rashly), develop daily rituals and/or transpersonal practices...
I share all this because in my own work with "real, live" clients, I see that there is not really an "argument" going on here - I think that the key is INTEGRATING and wisely APPLYING the many truths contained in what appears to be "The Tension of the Opposites" - OK, posting this without re-reading, hope it makes some sense...
“But the reality is nevertheless that to have such a strong gift that brings such a clear future vision into one’s current reality is the most difficult human requirement by its very nature to reconcile within one’s realistic sense of Self. It is because it requires an equally strong sense of present reality to maintain a state of internal balance and harmony that one does not become derailed by one’s overwhelming ideals.”
I picture the gifts of genius as ‘fuel’ and the strong sense of self and reality as the ‘engine’. In order to utilize the engine efficiently, one must ‘combust’. Continuous combustion at highly accelerated rates yield advances/advantages for the Self and for Society. If the engine is not sound enough, you will only go so far with Self/Society regardless of the amount of fuel you have at your disposal. The same goes for the engine – It may be the single most efficient engine ever conceived (birthed even, lol), without fuel it will only go so far. To me, the interesting part is that, for someone with copious amounts of fuel, the perfect engine has yet to be created. Think rocket fuel thoughts/ideas when the fastest thing around was a horse. This doesn’t mean that the fuel is useless, after all, put a match up to it and see what happens. People of flame that some/we are, sometimes they/we just need direction.
It seems to me that some of us are born out of Phase as a survival of the species necessity. What if humankind’s evolutionary paradigm shifting state is birthed in the mind? It is truly one of our last frontiers and the ultimate self-portrait study insofar as the only way to see it working is in the thoughts and minds of others. Never directly reportable nor immutable, if we were to map a human brain With mental states, it would never apply to any one else but to that person and only up To that point in time. The ones out of Phase swimming through the corrosive mindscape and getting us valid feedback as to what is going on in there. Suffering; and, in the end, perhaps two hundred years later, for the sake of the whole.
There are changes in the horizon. From a technological perspective, that change is measured in months where it was once measured in decades. From a mind and mental states perspective, the changes are starting to snowball too. We’ve moved off of ‘high center’ on the whole materialist view of the mind vs. a non-materialistic one. Science laughed at the people who spoke of mind as something other than a mass of neurons with nothing of note save the way in which they fired and the neural notes they whispered in our ears that we at times mistook for something ‘other’ or ‘higher’. Now, after years of not sufficiently explaining things like a ‘latent’ psi effect, or the placebo effect, or ‘intuition’, we start to sing a different tune as a people. Perhaps the guy who lost his ear had a point after all. Maybe this time around, with changes and discoveries being made far far quicker, the one eared chap may still be alive when he turns out to be right. :)
Hell, he may even earn some money and finally have one foot here and now and another roaming the ether.
peece,
dj
Newton, thank you for hosting yet another amazingly rich discussion and also for providing a safe haven for Rolling to share the details of her situation.
—Melissa
Angie, again amazing synchronicity, and I did not note the time till you informed me. In fact this morning when I read it I thought you were responding to my post, but essentially we said the same thing. The most important thing for me is that there is a general discussion about the importance of suffering within the context of them preferring to push the boundaries of expression. I think the failure to acknowledge that is perhaps the root cause of many a potentially great individual’s failed aspirations.
DJ, what a profound input to the discussion. That the technology may have finally arrived in which much higher level of individual expression is possible. There is so much there that I will have to take the time to comment in more detail, but there is absolutely nothing I would disagree with. I think the onus is ultimately our own mental health, and as Angie also put it, that we are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices for the ideal we aspire to. But as you indicated, the technology at our disposal, particularly the internet, has for the first time in human history, is allowing us to transmit our vision to all four corners of the world at a rate it was hitherto impossible, that indeed, that our creative expressions have a far more likely to chance find significant favor in our lifetime.
Newton: Yes, yes, and yes - To push the edges of a system can result in suffering - But, perhaps it is possible to practice "non-attachment," even in regard to our own (chosen) suffering - to embrace it, even, as part of our "life mission" to constantly EXPAND (evolve). My life has been filled with suffering, but it is meaningful to me, and, I no longer raise my fist at the "system" or view the "system" as "oppressing" or victimizing me. I accept the nature(s) of the systems I am in, and, when it feels worth it to me, I invite change via my own expressions and behavior; but so often, as we all know, the system rejects such invitations, so it is nice to know there are kindred souls hanging out at the edges, as we do here, even within the virtual container of O.S. !
And I am glad you alerted the O.S. Editors about Rolling; we can all pray for her safety and well being and collectively hold a good thought for her.
I have had a day of hacking away at the vines that invaded my life ...vines of karma's contingent efflux...in other words, I have paid for my sins today, and reached a nice lofty perspective from which to view life objectively...AT LAST! It took absurdly simple steps that I had previously hesitated to make from fear...I changed my environment, and miracles of karma were my reward. My heart is pure again, cleansed of ANGER, and the human species is back where I like It: in my heart, at my initiative...whilst i ravenlike float above...
I almost have a vision: a cruel world of experience, wherein suffering is the imperative, as you say, Newton....it is the world of the Breeder, let us be frank about that. It is run by natural rules, with the proliferation of the species as its vital evolutionary injunction. This is the society that visionaries and artists wish to detach themselves from...as well as homosexuals....and of course the destructive anarchists of which you warn us, Newton...
But the way seems clear to a heavenly vista....a mental/emotional space above and beyond...or perhaps BELOW...the ordinary world...with the ordianary injucnctions firmly in our noggins, but in a safe, abstract way...a world of imagination & intellect, as we brave soldiers have tried to create....this indeed could be a model for a future CITY OF THE MIND...of course we would have to...er..."flesh it out" a bit...I suppose the 60's counterculture was a brief reaching for what we want...but they were not interconnected as we were...all they had was Radio...FM...where Beatles and Dylan and psychedelic idols---who were pioneering the good life---called to them to join, to reflect, to think about the paradigmatic weaknesses of the AMerican..and world..capitalist system....
Hippiedom is quite in vogue these days...I meet with many (uneducated ) teenagers who yearn for that lost ideal of community...free speech, free love, free thinking...
(i am going to post in pieces cuz my computer is unreliable)
the technology must not be made the paradigm of the human mind. this is vital. We must not fall victim to our own damn creation. The spectacle of a potentially consciously enlightened species such as ourselves enslaved to our own objectivity..our own tool...our own baby..is absurd & obscene to me..yet i suppose it might happen..it already is...these nuts driving & shopping, talking on their phones of increasing sophistication...this is a favorite target of the humorof sophisticated people....but it is not at all funny..it is harbinger of a species part machine....
Which is fine...if consciousness controls the machines & uses them as tools...perhaps this is the great Whore of the Apocalypse..(though i have other candidates for that role)....Or the Beast? It is just a poem, so we can slip any symbolic interpretation in thre. Lately I have become quite fascinated with the Christ Archetype, which is a living collective force that many peolple fall under....and allow it to operate in their destinies...i myself, as i told Angies, have no intention of falling into it...my whole life has been a struggle against it..
But it is real...and it is relevant to our discusssion of suffering...we westerners are vehement that suffering is a natural part of life...and it is...i agree, newton , that..
"who never spent the midnight hours
weeping and waiting for the morrow
he knows not you, ye heavenly powers"...
(goethe)
but...but...
the answer is simple, to me: to embrace nonbeing, as best as i can...
the knowledge that thisis " only a movie" is freeing...we all are living narratives....we are characters of our own authorshio...
the semantic tides where we dwell...
the inc lusion of other dialects, languages,
and most importantly...methods of obtaining language...in socially constricted language cages we suffer...even on OS we are constrained...and yes, Newton, rules & limits are fine and good, but...
we must not make what Hegel called "bad infinities"
of our subjective universes by surrendering our very creativity & imagination to the language traps..we must try as Angie does
to listen to our inner visions and experiment and modify current language structures,\
through multiple forms of discours....dialog, poetry,
perhaps spontaneous utterance, self hypnotic states..
and of course our favorite, presently....the scholarly
abstract method...the addition of jimenace &
arthur james to our group is an excellent opportunity to
try what i prescribe..to multiply our
modes of communication..to endow ourselves with
multiple voices to reach the vast universes of
social, institutional, personal, familial, universal
SELVES we contain..
whitman said we contain multitudes,yes? but how to get them out & walking
and talking and educating the central self...
which is the I..
which is identical in all human beings...
the I:a the sense of "this is coming into, from , a
central node of be-ing"....
everything we experience is vital..every snippet of dream, every memory that coincidentaly floats up..
for heaven's sake, we are drowning in our synchronicity,
which we have wrought by our own efforts...
something somewhere is telling us: continue..& expand
i have been writing this in a kind of BLA abstract trance,
\ideas floating up and getting put out..
i have no real confidence in any of these ideas per se..
but i must have confidence in the process of writing..
this process, after all, is something that happened to me, something I did...
and i will go on in the timestream, and see what results it swishes up...
(Now, I have a practical bent long born of circumstance - my imagination is a helium balloon on a long tether attached to a titanium stake in the base of Maslow's pyramid, and so I do not suffer as some do. But nor does my imagination soar.)
The tension of opposites is constant. I love how some have lately adopted a sense of the Tao in recent comments/writings/banners.
And I've been thinking about the tension. After your Grace(I) post (where you discussed Frankl and I realized I remembered only the gist of what I'd read years ago), I went back to his writings to reacquaint myself with his ideas. And I read this:
“What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.” Victor Frankl
Logotherapy (logos) returns me to my fondness for the stoics, who included and required (like Buddhism) a sense of equanimity. One does not lose autonomy, one realizes it, willing oneself to be as Epictetus said "sick and yet happy, in peril and yet happy, dying and yet happy, in exile and happy, in disgrace and happy". Or (as was written), in the world, but not of the world.
(And I just noticed today that you have "Convolutions" in your margin! I'm honored, Newton.)