Natalie Holder-Winfield

Natalie Holder-Winfield
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Natalie Holder-Winfield is an employment lawyer and diversity consultant whose work has been featured in the New York Times, the New York Law Journal, Good Morning Connecticut, and Diversity Executive magazine. She creates customized leadership programs and training videos, integrated with diversity, for Fortune 500 corporations, law firms, government agencies and not-for-profit organizations, such as Time Warner, Deloitte, Proskauer Rose and the New York Mission Society. Natalie Holder-Winfield wrote, Recruiting and Retaining a Diverse Workforce: New Rules for a New Generation, after receiving program attendees’ requests for her training materials. New Rules provides human resource managers, diversity officers, managers, employees and students with practical advice and ideas for creating inclusive cultures. The book has been used to facilitate discussions at orientations, meetings, roundtable discussions, recruitment events and diversity training sessions. Natalie graduated from New York University, Tulane Law School, and the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth’s Executive Education program. She is the Chair of the New York State Bar Association’s Labor & Employment’s Diversity Committee, a member of New York University’s Young Alumni Leadership Circle, and the United Way of Greater New Haven.

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Salon.com
Editor’s Pick
OCTOBER 2, 2009 11:30AM

David Letterman’s Collateral Damage

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I’m usually the last person to hear about pop culture scandals and other news I can’t use. When Dreamgirls star Jennifer Hudson and VH-1 reality contestant “Punk” had a baby last month, I was shocked. When I watched this year’s MTV Video Music Awards, I wondered who the heck is this stringy-looking British guy hosting the show. But, there was no missing the story of today.

 

As soon as I opened my morning Huffington Post, the headline and video about David Letterman’s admission to having sex with his staffers—and I wonder how many staffers—were billboard-sized images on my computer.  As a new fan of CBS’ The Good Wife, I could not help but find the rich irony of Letterman’s confession.  CBS now has two highly rated shows that center around sex scandals.

 

Apparently, Letterman chose to come clean about the affairs with multiple staffers because a producer from another CBS television show, 48 Hours, threatened to publicize his exploits if he was not paid $2 million.  Somehow, this producer—who works on a show that covers stories with legal angles—didn’t realize that his sleazy attempt to extort money from Letterman went way beyond employee misconduct but would be frowned upon as illegal by the Manhattan District Attorney’s office. 

 

As an employment attorney, I can tell you which department at CBS will probably be working this weekend—the legal department. I will bet that this morning the Viacom/CBS legal department is running around feverishly trying to create some semblance of damage control.  Do they have a situation of quid pro quo sexual harassment on their hands where staffers felt that if they did for Mr. Letterman, Mr. Letterman would do for them? Even worse, was there a culture where any producer, executive or any person with some clout pressured staffers to feel that the only way to get ahead—or keep their jobs—was to sleep their way to the top? Or, were the affairs consensual? If CBS is smart, they will conduct a full-scale investigation where everyone will be asked about what happened.  Oh, the folks at CBS have some explaining to do.

 

Yet, while we wait for more facts, it is still curious how powerful men who fall from grace morph themselves into pathetic and sympathetic creatures. Usually, it’s a politician who says he’s sorry during a televised press conference, where he is flanked by his wife and a U.S. flag. In Letterman’s case, he used his television show as his platform. 

 

During these moments of apologies and admissions, these men somehow attempt to get the public to forget the arrogance that brought them to point that they had to apologize.  It is arrogant to cheat on your wife and think that you are above getting caught. It is arrogance that drives a man to flirt with and eventually have sex with his employee. And yes, it is arrogance that makes a man ignore the embarrassment that his children will endure due to his sexual indiscretions.  The real victims in this sordid story are Letterman’s wife, son, and maybe even the staffers.  They are the collateral damage.

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The realy tragedy here is that now I am forced to imagine David Letterman having sex. That is not something I ever wanted to contemplate.

Seriously, though, great post. I agree with you completley.
Jeez, what's wrong with these media stars? You have sex with the fans/groupies, not with anyone on the payroll... cuz that's abusing your position of authority
Is it clear the affairs were during his marriage? I seem to recall he married only recently? Likewise, if it was consensual and when he was single, where's the arrogance of that based on what we know? He seems to be a genuine midwesterner type. Perhaps that is the reason for the extortion attempt given his fierce sense of privacy?

I do not know enough yet, personally, to go at the guy.
Does Letterman have an open marriage? Do we know? Do we know what his wife thinks, or are we just guessing based on our own experiences?
I'm a huge fan of "The Good Wife" primarily for Julian but the observation about two CBS shows about sex scandals is priceless.
Ego is a powerful taskmaster. Speaking for the male portion of the population, the drive to stray can be strong. But as a human being and a hopefully upstanding member of society, the price that is so often paid for philandering is high and lasting. Ask Hugh Grant.

Men are essentially stupid beings that spend the bulk of their time trying to overcome their limitations. Sometimes, our limitations overcome us. Letterman just got served - by himself.
Please don't let it be revealed that Paul Shaffer is the staff person in question.
Wow, I was pretty shocked myself, for two reasons:
(1) I didn't think Letterman liked sex. How did I get this impression? I have no idea. I also had the idea he might be bad in bed. Again, how do I know this? I dunno, but according to the book I'm reading now, Malcolm Gladwell's BLINK, I must learn to honor my intuitive knowledge. Hence, this post.

But of course, the staffers who had sex with Letterman probably weren't doing it because they thought he was a sex God, maybe they just did it out out of curiosity -- ha ha ha ha!

2. Of all the people who would be fingerpointed as extortionists, I never even in my wildest dreams would have come up with "48 Hours Producer." So that goes to show how bad my intuitive knowledge is. I clearly need to finish reading Malcolm Gladwell's BLINK.
heres what occurred to me-- think of how many letterman jokes are aimed at male philanders fallen from grace. clinton, spitzer, sanders come to mind. it would be quite a trick to laugh at any of those jokes now.
I would like to hear all the facts, but I question whether the people that work with letterman can be seen as "employees". letterman is not really the boss, he's just the highest paid guy on the team. everyone, yes, even including him, is a slave to the corporate Man.
I also dislike the heavyhanded way that corporations & schools [universities] police their employees sex lives in general. almost to the point of prohibiting workplace liasons that happen outside of work. seems like someone could sue over that someday. I would be curious what kind of lawsuits like that have popped up.
Is there any evidence Letterman sexually harrassed anyone or promised anyone a promotion if they slept with him? Letterman's been the host of the Late Show for close to 30 years--it seems like if he'd been doing that sort of thing, someone would have sued his ass a long time ago.

Otherwise, if everybody involved was a consenting adult, it's his wife's business and none of ours.
The only important question is that of sexual harassment or quid pro quo. Everything else is his personal life.

I know the audience was caught flatfooted by the way Dave told the story, but I wonder how many of them now wish they hadn't clapped when Dave said, "Yes, I did have sex with women on the staff"? I sure hope that it turns out he just used poor judgement as opposed to being a creep who used his power to an unfair advantage.

vzn,
Letterman is the owner of Worldwide Pants, the company that produces the show and a few other shows. Even if he wasn't, pretty much anyone on that staff would be unceremoniously dismissed at his say-so. By your logic, a mid-level manager couldn't be charged with harassment because he's just an employee and not the CEO. Anyone who has the power to hire, fire, promote or reassign can abuse it and needs to be held liable if they do.
You don't know that Letterman cheated on his wife. He may have cheated on her before they married, or before they had a son, but you don't know the nature of their marital agreements. Some folks have open marriages. For all you know, he long ago confessed what he did and why he did it.

Mainly, we don't know the facts and they really aren't any of our business either.

Additionally, he has his own company, Worldwide Pants. So CBS isn't going to have to do anything legal about this except about their 48 hours producer who was charged with a crime. And I can just bet anyone will ever want to work with that turkey again.
By the way, nice research of the facts.
Polanski now Letterman in the firing line. They both thought their positions of influence and popularity would protect them, but it won't. It will help defend them but ultimately there will be hell to pay for both one way or another. Polanski is guilty of the more serious crime wheras Letterman may have seriously misbehaved.
Count me in with those who thought Letterman had asexual tendencies, and if it was Paul Schaffer, please, please let there be no sex tape.

He's a talk show host, people. All I want from him, and I hardly ever want even this after 30 years, is a funny monologue, a decent Top Ten list and a little witty banter with whatever brain dead star is promoting his/her crap movie.

I think that if he had been sexually harrassing staff members, some enterprising individual would have signed a book deal and made millions long ago.

Will Americans never stop going bonkers about the sex lives of public figures, especially of the extra-marital variety ? It is immaterial to the person's job performance and just plain boring.
As far as I know, he wasn't married when this occurred. Not that, that is the important thing. His son and his wife are the only one's right now to be concerned about. The ladies were consenting and unless he held their jobs over their heads, they were wielding a sort of power themselves.
Abraham Maslow once noted, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see everything as a nail." He was referring to psychologists who viewed all cases from a psychological perspective exclusively.

Likewise, Ms Holder-Winfield, as an employment lawyer you understandably focus on the workplace legal implications of the case of David Letterman's liaisons with women who worked for him. As of yet, I know of no charges brought against Mr Letterman in regard to these relationships. It is a huge leap to view his actions as predatory or "pathetic."

To suddenly view any relationship of two coworkers as amoral and inappropriate is ridiculous. The Obamas met on the job. Is Michelle predatory because she was in a position of seniority over Barack when they worked together?

Letterman's wife and son are only "collateral damage" if the coverage of this case focuses on them. So let's leave them out of it, please.
I don't believe that sex between an employer and employee is automatically coercive. I think that this has to be taken into account, yes, but there should always be room in the interpretation of the facts for the straight truth if told, the two were just engaging in consensual sex, there were no favors or threats asked for or implied. In this case, the issue is really between Dave and his wife. But of course, these sorts of cases are notoriously he-said, she-said. Both Dave and the staffers can say it was consensual, no quid pro quo, but other staffers can claim that Dave's lovers had an advantage, and since Dave was heterosexual, no male staffer would have access to that advantage, erego it was unfair. It's this sort of scenario, I think, that drives corporations to be so heavy handed in their prohibitions against work place fraternization.
I think this is much ado about nothing, and anyone judging dave's actions without knowledge is wasting their breath. But what really disturbs me is how many have jumped to the conclusion that soemthing nefaroius musy have happened here. Dave must be a predator, or women must have felt pressured, or those who slept with him gained advantages .... on and on. I had flings and serious relationships with my share of men at work; superiors, colleagues, and lessers on the totem pole. The only reason ANY of us had was for the fun of it! What has happened in the world when people can't believe that co-workers of all ilk fool around with full consent just because they want to?

He's dated his now-wife off and on for many years. I dare she she knows him better than any of us, and in the end, she married him. I highly doubt she is collateral "damage". His son is 6 years old. I don't envision him being "damaged" in the future by this. And to assume his employees, of whom he has gainfully employed 100's over the years, are collateral damge with absolutely no evidence of that, is just well, someone looking for a hot-button topic for a post.

When did this country get so uptight about normal human relations that have been going on forever?
Kellylark woman said it all (perfectly) for me. Now I get to do less typing.
O'really, I may have said it perfectly but I apologize for my atrocious typing skills! Would that I could type it perfectly too!

I came back because I read this same blog on HuffPo. I guess we won't be hearing back from Ms Winfield in these comments. Ironic that I gace up commenting on ALL other sites because there is no feedback from the blogger, only to get tripped up here too. Blah!
technically and I really mean technically, DAVE may not have cheated on his wife. All that happened may have happen BEFORE his recent (early last spring) marriage. Once we leave the wonderful world of technicalities, he'd been in a common law, co-habitation situation with the woman who would become his wife for a year or two before the birth of his son.

The man attempting extortion only had evidence of ONE, but there was another, and then we could include the woman who became Dave's wife. She had worked on the show.
We are obviously a good ol' boy society as far as I can see, men for many generations have easily looked the other way at these scandals and still get the cheese. Why? why is it deemed that men are above infidenlity, and the natural agressor? It is indeed wrong, they would never feel good if there wives were the agressor, and said "I am sorry honey, I won't be coming home for dinner I've got paper work to do" or some other excuse that implied I've got better things to be doing.