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FEBRUARY 18, 2012 9:17PM

shmoozing among the cultural elites

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I did it.

I made it over to the town Cultural and Music Center where creative types meet.  And I got there on time, too.  There were no dramatic entrances on my part with long scarf trailing behind, sheets of paper printed with poetic brilliance flying out of overburdened arms.  We were having none of that today.  

The Center is a comfortable, medium sized old Victorian with just the right amount of worn out gingerbread and a comfortable, kind of faded feel.  I entered, a bit nervous, but calmer than I was this morning when I was doing my five thousandth revision of poems I thought I'd better bring.  

(They had requested one, but being my OCD ADHD AH self, I brought two.  It could have easily been three, but one had a typo and my mind screamed at me as I ran from room to room with copies of my poetry, stuffing it into folders and then big envelopes and then folders, doing god knows what - TYPOS WILL NOT DO - while slapping myself in the head a few times.)

I looked nice.  Every one looked nice.  Everyone was bathed.  No stinky poets.   There were seven including me. All could have come from a casting call:  the curmudgeon, quiet young, quiet old, sweet white haired, hippy type, liberal arts and the non speaking dissassociative type you'd expect in a group of poetry makers.  And then there was Miss jagged edges, shimmery, shaky, rattley old me.  

I found the process fun, even helpful.  You distribute copies of a poem to everyone, then you read it to everyone.  Then they talk about your poem as if you're not there while you are permitted to sit on your hands, twitch, speak out of turn because this is the BEST conversation - YOUR poem, get told to be quiet, blush, then listen as people comprehend something but not necessarily what you intended they comprehend.  Then come those blissful moments when someone else reads your words incorrectly or perhaps correctly but with the wrong emphasis and your ears start buzzing and your head becomes lighter, etc etc.  (should I have used a bigger BIGGER font?)

And only after the group has their fill of red meat to munch on, are you permitted to speak,  make explanation, say what you've been dying to say, like how or why a poem was written, what you were thinking, feeling, etc, etc.  

Someone asked why I don't use punctuation.  I hope she didn't notice, but I didn't care for the question.  It seemed beside the point.  Then I did what any artist would do - I internally kicked myself, because I realized I failed.  If punctuation or lack of it was a distraction, then my words or the feelings I intended to present were not successfully brought forth.  A few hours later, I realize while this may be true, I like the poem as is but I can see how it may need work and clarification.  

Then I secretly wonder being the smug asshole I can be if this person likes or gets "Hysteria" which is probably my favorite Elliot poem.  So there's a part of me that is ridiculously defensive, in spite of telling myself I'm so receptive to criticism.   

I do not use certain elements and while I sometimes play with them, I don't particularly care much about them at this point. To me some seem like flourishes in a painting, a bit too much.  Or to be honest, sometimes they are beyond my present capabilities.  

On the other hand, I find certain elements that may appear superficial to someone else to matter a great deal to me.  Like spaces or spacing, fonts and capitalisations.  And where you use punctuation.  

Because I am a visual artist, placement of words, as well as their meanings and juxtipositioning are important and are tools I'm trying to formulate.  I don't know if I succeed, but they are important, none the less. 

So I tried to explain why I do not use punctuation often: that in my eyes a punctuation mark restricts the flow and rhythm of words, and that I love when one sentence becomes another and another or each word influences the next sentence and/or thought.  

I rambled on like that, trying to explain the inexplicable.  But this is what talking about poetry is I think - turning a big wad of strangly woven cloth inside out and back again.  Then folding it neatly.  

I dont know if they got me or my poems, or if I made myself clear or if I seemed to be as crazy as I seemed to be in my own mind, at times during the meeting.  Still, I was very happy, explaining away to them and to myself, what in hell I am trying to do.  

 I think they were okay with me.  This group enjoys their process and seemed to enjoy me joining in with them.   So it may be a good fit.  Time shall tell.  

The following poem is the one to be critted by the group (and was ultimately the recipient of the "no punctuation" comment). As an aside, both poems were first published on this blog in slightly different form.

here

an ordinary man

sits unaware of the pending

baptism that comes

in hues of azure

(last rites on a breeze

(on a wind

a calamity made to turn pages

                too quickly

for all at once

warm will become cold become the world

where there is no mystery

no surprise

no time at all

and what was once as sure as morning

now gone to the place where naked bellys of trees            

are shown in starkest black and white 

and air is an asylum of entanglements and madness

               but for only for the briefest moment

and then like clockwork

the sky begins again

*   *   *   *

moving brightly he catches the eye

this tiny white spider

who dares to scurry

through this dominion

his

mine

a sudden swipe of the hand

a hot breath

and he and his shadow

gone

no time, no goodbyes

 

This next one was read but no crit.  As an aside, for a person like me who never reads any of my poetry aloud, this was a very difficult thing to do.   I thought I might choke as I read, being so nervous I found it hard to breathe.    And I read both poems too quickly. 

After the second poem someone requested I read it again!  This time SLOWER please!  (laughing)  So I read it again.  It was almost a bit better.  

 

 waiting for the suitable

which arrived just then

&was quickly missed

thus she neglected to remember

light & surrounding air will change suits

from fortune to something else again

no longer will dawn

break soft or warm on her skin but

heavy & cold & in its wake 

when she briefly considered

that glowing lapse

between breaths

that one perfect space

a moment so quick

ly now among

others a mo

ment like no other

then came anoth

er and an

other an d 

 

 

I was thinking as I walked home, this is going to be a GREAT story to blog.  :)  I hope you enjoyed it.  Thanks for reading and encouraging me.  Really.  Thank you.  

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it sounds like you had fun! and your poems rock.

and then like clockwork
the sky begins again ~

...and lucky numbah 7 ~
p.s. you might like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqLhLDbm0d8
wow catch, she's fabulous.

there should be an english translation on the bottom in small print. I'm telling you the woman was very cool...and the images, so lush.

I just hope the cubans stay strong and make money on tourists but DON"T LET THEM BUY IN. keep it for the people because you know where that will go. they'll end up as servants to the rich that buy all the real estate.
Yes your poems rock and how very cool you actually did this. I think it takes great courage to stand up in a crowd, no matter the size, and read something you have written. Yay for you!
LL!! hey you!! thank you. I didn't have to stand THANK HEAVEN. I think if I had, I would have fainted. or broke into a tap dance.
What a cool experience. Wow. I think you are brave and talented. Thanks for sharing. Great poems too....
I'm so glad you filled us in on the details from your encounter with the cultural elite. Pfffft, of course. Rattley shimmery you, I bet you glowed, monkey. The poems are fab, as yours always are. Love your descriptions of the others, all of it.
I have a question, though. Why don't you use capital letters? (Ouch!!)

Sounds like a wonderful experience--a lesson in patience, if nothing else. It sounds as though you're willing to do it again. That's the clearest measure of its worth, no?

I think I'd love to have my stuff critiqued so thoroughly.

I think.

Kudos to you for going through with it, Miss jagged edges!
Good morning!

Thank you for these nice comments that I can read over coffee (then reconsider on my way to practice).

First Sheila, you are most kind. I'm glad you like my poems and it feels good to know that others like you recognize doing this takes a bit of out of the ordinary courage. (not that I'm courageous, but this I think pushed me a bit). So thank you.


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Scarlett Janie Smithy von Clampett, your comment LITERALLY came through my nose. I have to learn to not sip coffee and peruse here because this is getting to be a problem, wiping gunky coffee off my little keyboard after reading some outrageousness or other from a particularly piquant OSer.

I like that second poem too. It suits my nature and I think I will expand it a tiny bit - it needs a couple of more lines. Thank you for liking it too. :)

PS...I couldn't say "bullshit" or "douchebag" or "sneezy go fuck yourself" or anything else to someone who was giving me their time to consider my work. EVEN if I thought they were being overly critical or nitpicking, which was my first thought, to be honest. And even if I wanted to punch them in the nose, which I didn't, and now I'm glad I was in such good and relatively open spirits.

Upon reflection this IS a valid issue, punctuation in poetry. what form you present changes how a word or sentence is perceived. so every stroke of every letter means something in a poem. even spacking. so maybe I need to think about that more. and to be honest, sometimes my lack of punctuation might be laziness coupled with liking the look of an naked word sitting alone for a reader's mind to place where it will. hopefully where I want.


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Candace aka I think I probably glowed sufficiently that the quieter members secretly prayed I wasn't going to detonate. (because there were moments where I thought I might be levitating..hahahahah) thank you. really. you're always so kind to me and my efforts.


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Pilgrim, I'm not EXACTLY sure. I think it's because sometimes a sentence isn't complete without another sentence, so capitalization could be confusing. Once you throw it away, you can't just pick it up midway. Poetry is confusing and arbitrary enough.

I'm giving this matter further thought. Because I should. Because every crit is a gift. Even the ones I don't agree with. Especially the ones I don't agree with.

Okeee...off to practice. Time to tempt fate!
I am so happy to read this! I love the poems and am delighted that you did this.
I have had someone ask me why my sentences are always short. I have no idea. Probably something to do with *my* jagged edges. xoxox ~r
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CEO's brag
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Congrats on the reading. Great poems my friend. The punctuation thing interests me very much. I'm a novice, but I do not use it if possible. I will even make all letters the same, no capitals, just for the appearance. When spoken, which is what they did in olden times, who would know. Again, I'm only a beginner, what do I know? Great Post Monkey~
I will return to read your actual poems. First, I have too much opinion about the other part. Write for yourself! This is YOUR expression. But be open to critiques; a few may sit well with you. Most won't. Because you are a visual artist and poet, you will see word placement, etc. very adamantly, as you described, and want to stick to your guns. Do. It's part of your art. No explanation needed.
Couldn't leave this page. Coffee cup empty and cold, but read both poems. The first I find absolutely stunning: mood and mindscene descriptions. Both timelessly vast and yet immediate, intimate in scope. Title? In the second, I love the phrase "air will change suits" in particular because, while I am pretty sure you mean like in a game of cards, I also envision clothing :) And I love, at the end, the disintegration of letters into the air. Would love to see a whole collection illustrated with your art.
This sounds so fun! I love the idea of appropriating that label 'Cultural Elite'. Let's get T shirts printed up, shall we?

Signed,
Your Sister in the trenches of the Cultural Elite
a silk city poetry society? where oh where in Cheneyville do you meet?
Sounds like you had a good time. I can see why the question about punctuation would annoy you. You don't need it. Your poetry is perfect just as it is.
"turning a big wad of strangly cloth" reminds me of me trying to fold those darn fitted sheets with the elastic sewn in at the corners.
And I love your writing. I could visualize perfectly you getting ready, all nervous, and the house, and the group, even the nitpicky one.
And I love "...naked bellys of trees..." the image is just right. And the second poem is wonderful - I love the spacing of the words and shape your thought. In other words, don't stop, keep going!
Thanks Joanie - (and you and me is in some really good company....) :)

and they all lie art james, they all, from ed i tors to ceo's like like a rug, them bastids! math medals, my ass.

thanks scanner. this morning I think it's very possible there is a point in punctuation. here's why: when I read my poems I KNOW what I'm saying, how I would read them (if I could read aloud properly) (or more accurate what it should sound like were the poem read properly), where the emphasis should be. And it's possible punctuation could be a key to that.

I gotta tell you, listening to others read me was an eye opener, oo ee. a real BIGASS eye opener. if THIS is what they're getting...I ain't giving it. so there's something to be said for punctuation as a tool.
hey dirndl (a great name btw and an extraordinary word.)
thanks! I've come to the same conclusion, although certain critical points were good, like the use of the word "azure" which is according to some "overused". I don't see that, but I figure if people who read a lot of poetry see that word too often (and cerulean), then I can't argue with them. It is only a word after all.

but with structure, it's my sandcastle, so the tools I use to construct have to be authentically mine. however, this business of punctuation is something I'm turning around in my head and I'll see how it works for my poems visually. I'm glad you enjoyed the first poem, called "no goodbyes". The second is "waiting" but now I think it could be better titled. I'll think about that.

And you are correct correct correct...what people, even artists think is what they think. All artists can find what they perceive as "flaws" in another's work. But unless is a glaring lack of basic and necessary skills, it's all subjective anyway. Good composition is everything.
Did I read these poems here before? I loved them both, and your description of punctation, line breaks and why is exactly what I would think also. I don't know if I could read aloud, I commend you but you have such a strong character, it shines out as I am sure it did here. I like your telling of this, wonderful writing in itself! Go Monkey!
heron, you know one of these days we will have a big bash get together and we must wear our T shirts, because if this little pocket of OS isn't cultural elite HQ, I don't know where it is.

:::raised fist in cultural elitist solidarity!::

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JP, I love your comment.

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Dr Ziggy...at the music center on hartford road.

you bring sugar shack coconut donuts?

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FayP, thanks. I think what you say is kind and kind of true, for these poems. but I think, as I said to scanner, listening to others actually read me (assuming they have skills TO read aloud, which is not at all easy) I think using A) a larger font when I print out for this group, and B) possibly punctuation, if only to help them read it as I want it read. but that doesn't necessarily mean conventional punctuation. .....something to consider.
cc...thanks.

when I wrote that phrase "naked bellys" I really gave much thought about the spelling. I typed it out as bellys. I typed it out as bellies, which read to me closer to belies, so even while it's correct , I don't like the spelling. And of course, someone said there was a misspelling and of course I said, I know but I don't like how bellies looks. I knew someone would mention it. but I don't care. I don't LIKE how that word looks.

and when I wrote about how poetry is like a misfolded piece of cloth, that was EXACTLY what I was thinking...folding a fitted sheet. so thank you thank you...you got me and I feel pretty good about being "gotten" this morning.

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my darling Rita maid, I'm glad you feel the same. You're a marvel at poetry and someone whose poems have more than once inspired me to do better at mine.

These poems are relatively recent, within the last couple of months. I considered and then decided to bring more recently created work although my poem about Cam I think is pretty sweet.

I think my stuff now is more direct, more internalized and then realized. But apparantly they look labored. thats something I want to work on more.

Someone said to me, "I can see you put a lot of work in your poetry." which I think he thought was a compliment.

My answer:

"Then I'm not doing it right. I don't want you to see effort. I want my poems to be so light they float away."
What a blast for you. I attended a writing conference once for Hispanic writers and it was very enlightening. Your poems were wonderful, too.
As a long time (and sometimes very experimental) poetry writer (it's how I started writing as an ideal to a profession) I offer this explanation for lack of punctuation:

I let the lines act as punctuation.
The spacing is my comma
The starting word my Capital
The end of a line is not always a period
Nor is a period always the end of a thought.
The rest is subjective and allows you to make of it what you will.

Hope that helps. Being poetic is not always being comfortable to have your poetry read aloud -- or being comfortable doing the reading. Glad you girded your loins and made the leap.

Being afraid is part of being brave. If you're not afraid, it's not really courage, is it?

Love your poems. Sometimes more than one reading is required. If one reading alone were enough, what then, would we have left to write the next time? Or talk about? Or reflect upon?

I go back and read my own stuff from when I was 12 and 13, to the stuff when I was 17, then 20, then 27 and even later and some of it seems foreign to my eyes. Did I really write *that?*

I also see my own growth, change and directions. I wish you well on your journey as it continues. I know my life would not be the same -- or as rich -- without poetry. Especially that of others.

--r--
Isn't it excellent to be yourself and enjoy observing others who are different though artistic, sociologically-broad perspective lenses?
I think the fact that it bothers me so much that you don't use punctuation will be a fine topic for me to bring up at my next group therapy session. Especially as I like your poems so much. I can already hear Arnold, my nemesis in these sessions, saying, "You couldn't handle them if she used punctuation." I hate Arnold, of course, but in this case he would probly be right. Brava.
I liked this on two fronts, monkey.
You described an almost typical poetry (workshop) and evoked so many memories for me. Your depiction of the members is so relateable to people I've met. On the other hand I enjoyed your poems. Lack of punctuation is not a matter when I read, because I provide my own pauses and other internal punctuation marks the second time around according to my understanding. Thanks for sharing this experience and your work.
Worked for me...but then I love your stuff! The intraspec-tion was fab!
I guess your no ordinary person....in fact i know that now.
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