I did it.
I made it over to the town Cultural and Music Center where creative types meet. And I got there on time, too. There were no dramatic entrances on my part with long scarf trailing behind, sheets of paper printed with poetic brilliance flying out of overburdened arms. We were having none of that today.
The Center is a comfortable, medium sized old Victorian with just the right amount of worn out gingerbread and a comfortable, kind of faded feel. I entered, a bit nervous, but calmer than I was this morning when I was doing my five thousandth revision of poems I thought I'd better bring.
(They had requested one, but being my OCD ADHD AH self, I brought two. It could have easily been three, but one had a typo and my mind screamed at me as I ran from room to room with copies of my poetry, stuffing it into folders and then big envelopes and then folders, doing god knows what - TYPOS WILL NOT DO - while slapping myself in the head a few times.)
I looked nice. Every one looked nice. Everyone was bathed. No stinky poets. There were seven including me. All could have come from a casting call: the curmudgeon, quiet young, quiet old, sweet white haired, hippy type, liberal arts and the non speaking dissassociative type you'd expect in a group of poetry makers. And then there was Miss jagged edges, shimmery, shaky, rattley old me.
I found the process fun, even helpful. You distribute copies of a poem to everyone, then you read it to everyone. Then they talk about your poem as if you're not there while you are permitted to sit on your hands, twitch, speak out of turn because this is the BEST conversation - YOUR poem, get told to be quiet, blush, then listen as people comprehend something but not necessarily what you intended they comprehend. Then come those blissful moments when someone else reads your words incorrectly or perhaps correctly but with the wrong emphasis and your ears start buzzing and your head becomes lighter, etc etc. (should I have used a bigger BIGGER font?)
And only after the group has their fill of red meat to munch on, are you permitted to speak, make explanation, say what you've been dying to say, like how or why a poem was written, what you were thinking, feeling, etc, etc.
Someone asked why I don't use punctuation. I hope she didn't notice, but I didn't care for the question. It seemed beside the point. Then I did what any artist would do - I internally kicked myself, because I realized I failed. If punctuation or lack of it was a distraction, then my words or the feelings I intended to present were not successfully brought forth. A few hours later, I realize while this may be true, I like the poem as is but I can see how it may need work and clarification.
Then I secretly wonder being the smug asshole I can be if this person likes or gets "Hysteria" which is probably my favorite Elliot poem. So there's a part of me that is ridiculously defensive, in spite of telling myself I'm so receptive to criticism.
I do not use certain elements and while I sometimes play with them, I don't particularly care much about them at this point. To me some seem like flourishes in a painting, a bit too much. Or to be honest, sometimes they are beyond my present capabilities.
On the other hand, I find certain elements that may appear superficial to someone else to matter a great deal to me. Like spaces or spacing, fonts and capitalisations. And where you use punctuation.
Because I am a visual artist, placement of words, as well as their meanings and juxtipositioning are important and are tools I'm trying to formulate. I don't know if I succeed, but they are important, none the less.
So I tried to explain why I do not use punctuation often: that in my eyes a punctuation mark restricts the flow and rhythm of words, and that I love when one sentence becomes another and another or each word influences the next sentence and/or thought.
I rambled on like that, trying to explain the inexplicable. But this is what talking about poetry is I think - turning a big wad of strangly woven cloth inside out and back again. Then folding it neatly.
I dont know if they got me or my poems, or if I made myself clear or if I seemed to be as crazy as I seemed to be in my own mind, at times during the meeting. Still, I was very happy, explaining away to them and to myself, what in hell I am trying to do.
I think they were okay with me. This group enjoys their process and seemed to enjoy me joining in with them. So it may be a good fit. Time shall tell.
The following poem is the one to be critted by the group (and was ultimately the recipient of the "no punctuation" comment). As an aside, both poems were first published on this blog in slightly different form.
here
an ordinary man
sits unaware of the pending
baptism that comes
in hues of azure
(last rites on a breeze
(on a wind
a calamity made to turn pages
too quickly
for all at once
warm will become cold become the world
where there is no mystery
no surprise
no time at all
and what was once as sure as morning
now gone to the place where naked bellys of trees
are shown in starkest black and white
and air is an asylum of entanglements and madness
but for only for the briefest moment
and then like clockwork
the sky begins again
* * * *
moving brightly he catches the eye
this tiny white spider
who dares to scurry
through this dominion
his
mine
a sudden swipe of the hand
a hot breath
and he and his shadow
gone
no time, no goodbyes
This next one was read but no crit. As an aside, for a person like me who never reads any of my poetry aloud, this was a very difficult thing to do. I thought I might choke as I read, being so nervous I found it hard to breathe. And I read both poems too quickly.
After the second poem someone requested I read it again! This time SLOWER please! (laughing) So I read it again. It was almost a bit better.
waiting for the suitable
which arrived just then
&was quickly missed
thus she neglected to remember
light & surrounding air will change suits
from fortune to something else again
no longer will dawn
break soft or warm on her skin but
heavy & cold & in its wake
when she briefly considered
that glowing lapse
between breaths
that one perfect space
a moment so quick
ly now among
others a mo
ment like no other
then came anoth
er and an
other an d
I was thinking as I walked home, this is going to be a GREAT story to blog. :) I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for reading and encouraging me. Really. Thank you.


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and then like clockwork
the sky begins again ~
...and lucky numbah 7 ~
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there should be an english translation on the bottom in small print. I'm telling you the woman was very cool...and the images, so lush.
I just hope the cubans stay strong and make money on tourists but DON"T LET THEM BUY IN. keep it for the people because you know where that will go. they'll end up as servants to the rich that buy all the real estate.
Sounds like a wonderful experience--a lesson in patience, if nothing else. It sounds as though you're willing to do it again. That's the clearest measure of its worth, no?
I think I'd love to have my stuff critiqued so thoroughly.
I think.
Kudos to you for going through with it, Miss jagged edges!
Thank you for these nice comments that I can read over coffee (then reconsider on my way to practice).
First Sheila, you are most kind. I'm glad you like my poems and it feels good to know that others like you recognize doing this takes a bit of out of the ordinary courage. (not that I'm courageous, but this I think pushed me a bit). So thank you.
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Scarlett Janie Smithy von Clampett, your comment LITERALLY came through my nose. I have to learn to not sip coffee and peruse here because this is getting to be a problem, wiping gunky coffee off my little keyboard after reading some outrageousness or other from a particularly piquant OSer.
I like that second poem too. It suits my nature and I think I will expand it a tiny bit - it needs a couple of more lines. Thank you for liking it too. :)
PS...I couldn't say "bullshit" or "douchebag" or "sneezy go fuck yourself" or anything else to someone who was giving me their time to consider my work. EVEN if I thought they were being overly critical or nitpicking, which was my first thought, to be honest. And even if I wanted to punch them in the nose, which I didn't, and now I'm glad I was in such good and relatively open spirits.
Upon reflection this IS a valid issue, punctuation in poetry. what form you present changes how a word or sentence is perceived. so every stroke of every letter means something in a poem. even spacking. so maybe I need to think about that more. and to be honest, sometimes my lack of punctuation might be laziness coupled with liking the look of an naked word sitting alone for a reader's mind to place where it will. hopefully where I want.
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Candace aka I think I probably glowed sufficiently that the quieter members secretly prayed I wasn't going to detonate. (because there were moments where I thought I might be levitating..hahahahah) thank you. really. you're always so kind to me and my efforts.
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Pilgrim, I'm not EXACTLY sure. I think it's because sometimes a sentence isn't complete without another sentence, so capitalization could be confusing. Once you throw it away, you can't just pick it up midway. Poetry is confusing and arbitrary enough.
I'm giving this matter further thought. Because I should. Because every crit is a gift. Even the ones I don't agree with. Especially the ones I don't agree with.
Okeee...off to practice. Time to tempt fate!
I have had someone ask me why my sentences are always short. I have no idea. Probably something to do with *my* jagged edges. xoxox ~r
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And I love your writing. I could visualize perfectly you getting ready, all nervous, and the house, and the group, even the nitpicky one.
And I love "...naked bellys of trees..." the image is just right. And the second poem is wonderful - I love the spacing of the words and shape your thought. In other words, don't stop, keep going!
and they all lie art james, they all, from ed i tors to ceo's like like a rug, them bastids! math medals, my ass.
thanks scanner. this morning I think it's very possible there is a point in punctuation. here's why: when I read my poems I KNOW what I'm saying, how I would read them (if I could read aloud properly) (or more accurate what it should sound like were the poem read properly), where the emphasis should be. And it's possible punctuation could be a key to that.
I gotta tell you, listening to others read me was an eye opener, oo ee. a real BIGASS eye opener. if THIS is what they're getting...I ain't giving it. so there's something to be said for punctuation as a tool.
thanks! I've come to the same conclusion, although certain critical points were good, like the use of the word "azure" which is according to some "overused". I don't see that, but I figure if people who read a lot of poetry see that word too often (and cerulean), then I can't argue with them. It is only a word after all.
but with structure, it's my sandcastle, so the tools I use to construct have to be authentically mine. however, this business of punctuation is something I'm turning around in my head and I'll see how it works for my poems visually. I'm glad you enjoyed the first poem, called "no goodbyes". The second is "waiting" but now I think it could be better titled. I'll think about that.
And you are correct correct correct...what people, even artists think is what they think. All artists can find what they perceive as "flaws" in another's work. But unless is a glaring lack of basic and necessary skills, it's all subjective anyway. Good composition is everything.
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JP, I love your comment.
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Dr Ziggy...at the music center on hartford road.
you bring sugar shack coconut donuts?
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FayP, thanks. I think what you say is kind and kind of true, for these poems. but I think, as I said to scanner, listening to others actually read me (assuming they have skills TO read aloud, which is not at all easy) I think using A) a larger font when I print out for this group, and B) possibly punctuation, if only to help them read it as I want it read. but that doesn't necessarily mean conventional punctuation. .....something to consider.
when I wrote that phrase "naked bellys" I really gave much thought about the spelling. I typed it out as bellys. I typed it out as bellies, which read to me closer to belies, so even while it's correct , I don't like the spelling. And of course, someone said there was a misspelling and of course I said, I know but I don't like how bellies looks. I knew someone would mention it. but I don't care. I don't LIKE how that word looks.
and when I wrote about how poetry is like a misfolded piece of cloth, that was EXACTLY what I was thinking...folding a fitted sheet. so thank you thank you...you got me and I feel pretty good about being "gotten" this morning.
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my darling Rita maid, I'm glad you feel the same. You're a marvel at poetry and someone whose poems have more than once inspired me to do better at mine.
These poems are relatively recent, within the last couple of months. I considered and then decided to bring more recently created work although my poem about Cam I think is pretty sweet.
I think my stuff now is more direct, more internalized and then realized. But apparantly they look labored. thats something I want to work on more.
Someone said to me, "I can see you put a lot of work in your poetry." which I think he thought was a compliment.
My answer:
"Then I'm not doing it right. I don't want you to see effort. I want my poems to be so light they float away."
I let the lines act as punctuation.
The spacing is my comma
The starting word my Capital
The end of a line is not always a period
Nor is a period always the end of a thought.
The rest is subjective and allows you to make of it what you will.
Hope that helps. Being poetic is not always being comfortable to have your poetry read aloud -- or being comfortable doing the reading. Glad you girded your loins and made the leap.
Being afraid is part of being brave. If you're not afraid, it's not really courage, is it?
Love your poems. Sometimes more than one reading is required. If one reading alone were enough, what then, would we have left to write the next time? Or talk about? Or reflect upon?
I go back and read my own stuff from when I was 12 and 13, to the stuff when I was 17, then 20, then 27 and even later and some of it seems foreign to my eyes. Did I really write *that?*
I also see my own growth, change and directions. I wish you well on your journey as it continues. I know my life would not be the same -- or as rich -- without poetry. Especially that of others.
--r--
You described an almost typical poetry (workshop) and evoked so many memories for me. Your depiction of the members is so relateable to people I've met. On the other hand I enjoyed your poems. Lack of punctuation is not a matter when I read, because I provide my own pauses and other internal punctuation marks the second time around according to my understanding. Thanks for sharing this experience and your work.
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