At Fordham, Gingrich compares Limbaugh to Chris Matthews
At around 2 PM on April 20th former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich “Tweeted” this: “On the way to new yotk to talk tonight at the fordham university bronx campis tonight for a speech on 2 plus 2 equals 4.”
And roughly six and a half hours later Gingrich took the stage at Fordham Preparatory High School, in front of roughly 1,000 people, to cheers, boos (which someone awkwardly drew attention to by apologizing for the booers during the Q&A segment), and many people yelling “Neewwwwt!” Sitting in the 6th row (a row dominated by the College Democrats at Fordham University) I had a great view of the audience, and was pleased to see a slew of Obama and/or Democratic T-shirts and pins.
The presence of Democrats in the audience became even more apparent when Speaker Gingrich would say something “clap-worthy” or when he discussed the foreclosure crisis saying, "If you can't afford to buy a house don't buy one," to which people yelled “don’t let banks lend money.” But with a few exceptions (as the Secretary of the College Democrats at Fordham I would like to say we were not part of any of these exceptions), those who opposed Gingrich were respectful and merely abstained from clapping to show their disagreement.
Gingrich might have gotten off his biggest insult talking about California GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is now hated by the right for raising taxes. He started by talking about how people come to America to live the dream and how Governor Schwarzenegger moved here because body building is not something that takes you places is Austria. “We allow virtually anyone to rise, no matter how weird," he said. "We allow people to dream big. That’s why Obama can be President." Now, I don’t want to assert that Gingrich was implying that Obama is “weird,” but those two statements in such close proximity did allow the mind to make some connections. You be the judge.
He went on to say that the "pursuit of happiness" described in the Declaration of Independence is wrongly used as justification for welfare programs; the Declaration, he said, "doesn't call for redistribution of happiness." I am glad to know Gingrich thinks that happiness equates to wealth. He criticized Obama for being against using coal (actually, Obama is pro-"clean coal," to the chagrin of environmentalists) – and off-shore drilling, and then attacked him for allegedly bowing to the leaders of Saudi Arabia and embracing the leader of Venezuela. But he appeared to forget the name of Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela, during the speech. And he also seemed to forget all those photos of President Bush kissing and holding hands with the leader of Saudi Arabia.
When asked if a more hospitable America is safer, he replied yes but quickly added that "you don’t gain respect by letting people walk all over you." The Obama administration, Gingrich said, reminds him of Jimmy Carter's administration (which Republicans would love given that Carter lost to Reagan in 1980). Gingrich, who's been divorced twice but just converted to Catholicism, told us that "to drive God out of public life is fundamentally destructive to America." One of my favorite moments of Gingrich’s speech had to be when he compared Rush Limbaugh to MSNBC's Chris Matthews, after being asked how he felt about conservative media stars such as Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. He proceeded to say that they are not politicians and are not running for office and given this we should not consider them to be representative or leaders of the Republican Party, just as no one considers Chris Matthews to be representative or a leader of the Democratic Party (he also referenced Al Franken here).
One thing about the audience that I have to say struck me as odd was the number of non-Fordham students in attendance. Many of them seemed to be parents. However, I know some were students of other schools and some were referred to simply as “special guests.” There were two notable special guests in attendance. One, a 26 year old “small business man” who was a major part of facilitating the “Tea Party” held in New York to which Gingrich proceeded to say, "wasn't about taxes." He insisted it was about (and I paraphrase here as I don't have his exact quote) being able to make more than $200,000 dollars, and still be considered a good person.
The other notable guest may only have been notable to me, given that we had a small run in at the end of the Speech. As I was leaving the auditorium with friends, we were discussing the beginning of Gingrich's speech in which he talked about traveling to Poland with his wife. We then proceeded to innocently (and privately) joke about how we should have asked him to clarify which wife he was referring to: the one he divorced while she had cancer, or the one he cheated on with his current wife, or his current wife. As we were joking about this, a man grabbed me by the arm and said “I know what you’re talking about.” Not really knowing where he was going with this and being a little angry that he thought it would be ok for him to grab a 19 year old girl by the arm, I gave him a confused and slightly dirty look. He then proceeded to ask me if I had heard of Monica Lewinsky, and if I would have still voted for Bill Clinton. I politely said yes and walked away.
Now although I may seem critical of Gingrich, and in most contexts I am, I want to make clear that I am grateful for him coming to Fordham to speak. I welcome ideas that are not necessarily aligned with my own. It's part of becoming an informed individual, which is the goal at any university. Also, it is part of combating political apathy on college campuses, something that both College Democrats and College Republicans are in agreement about. The College Republicans at Fordham University who, sponsored this event, deserve a lot of credit for pulling off such a major event, giving all members of the audience equal opportunity to have their questions heard, and bringing some publicity to our university.


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And Professor Levinson, I look forward to your class next semester!
We then proceeded to innocently (and privately) joke about how we should have asked him to clarify which wife he was referring to: the one he divorced while she had cancer, or the one he cheated on with his current wife, or his current wife. As we were joking about this, a man grabbed me by the arm and said “I know what you’re talking about.” Not really knowing where he was going with this and being a little angry that he thought it would be ok for him to grab a 19 year old girl by the arm, I gave him a confused and slightly dirty look. He then proceeded to ask me if I had heard of Monica Lewinsky, and if I would have still voted for Bill Clinton. I politely said yes and walked away.
The only thing you left out was that he was cheating on one of those wives during that Monica Lewinsky episode... and yet, felt free to condemn Clinton. (I also have not forgotten Gingrich's notion that single mothers should surrender their children to orphanages. Apparently, abandonment is his default mechanism.)
Great report! Thanks.... and I'm not your mother, but I'm pretty irritated, too, about that man grabbing your arm. Definite control issues.
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It's really incredibly childish and should be called out more often.
He was asked about his presumptive 2012 bid and his answer what that he would survey the landscape in a few years and then the people will decide. Basically, he dodged the question.
He needs to take himself out of politics (or perhaps just take himself out) and go retire to the hills. All he does is damage the conservative cause.
I do loath Newt for so many reasons. I think it falls into that category where someone in a position of influential power needs to be a student, a mentor, a leader, gracious, and way smart. But Newt is not any of those things. He is a self serving conceited little man who merely fills space. There is just nothing there. Like filler paper in a box of breakables.
I hope you do this posting often because I really enjoyed seeing this from your perspective. It reminds me to take a moment and think about how other people look at the world. That is a good thing.
Also, Gingrich's conversion to Catholicism raises an interesting question. I sincerely doubt in this most political of animals it has any relationship to what his "faith" may actually be--but to the political gain involved and what it may signal regarding the coalition put together by James Dobson, now that he is not longer running the fundamentalist movement.
At first, I thought he was easily replaceable, and the coalition would continue, but this isn't Catholicism--and perhaps it is naive to consider that someone can replace Dobson like the Pope--and his policies and power will continue. Gingrich may well sense that, and is making his appeal to the Catholic working class at a time when it will under his belt when he makes the run for the presidency in 2012--if one of his ex-wives don't assassinate him first.
I agree with Joan though...however...it would have been me getting arrested. For what I would have done to him for grabbing you. I can hold my restraint (otherwise known as disdain) for Gingrich...but a thoughtless assault tends to bring out the "less sedate" side of me.
Newt is positioning himself for 2012. Should half of everything Obama is trying to do succeed (and I would at least like that to happen), Dems might find themselves unexpectedly sitting pretty, which would allow us to sit back and watch the elephants vying for attention at the circus. Popcorn, anyone?
A great report, very well balanced and informative. I especially cheer your final paragraph and hope you spread that sentiment of becoming an informed participant at school and in the world. Bravo.
Gingrich has been married three times. He married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old (she was seven years his senior at 26 years old). They had two daughters and divorced in 1981. She claims he "discussed divorce terms with her while she was recuperating in the hospital from cancer surgery",an action that would later be used against him; in 1992, his Democratic opponent, Tony Center, ran an ad pointing out this fact.
In 1981, six months after his divorce was final, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther. He remained married to Ginther until 2000, when they divorced. Shortly thereafter, Gingrich married Callista Bisek, with whom he later admitted to having had an affair during his second marriage at approximately the same time that he was leading the Congressional investigation of Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.
1983, Gingrich demanded the expulsion of fellow representatives Dan Crane and Gerry Studds for their roles in the Congressional Page sex scandal.
The momentum of the Republican Revolution stalled in late 1995 and early 1996 as a result of a budget fight between Congressional Republicans and President Bill Clinton. Gingrich inflicted a blow to his public image by seeming to suggest that the Republican hard-line stance over the budget was in part due to his feeling "snubbed" by the President the day before following his return from Yitzhak Rabin's funeral in Israel. Gingrich was lampooned in the media as a petulant figure with an inflated self-image, and at least one editorial cartoon depicted him as having thrown a temper tantrum. Democratic leaders took the opportunity to attack Gingrich's motives for the budget standoff, and some say the shutdown might have contributed to Clinton's re-election in November 1996.
Tom DeLay recounts the event in his book, No Retreat, No Surrender, that Gingrich "made the mistake of his life" and says the following of Gingrich's mis-step of the shutdown:
"He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One...Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child..The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same."
This guy is wacked. Great post! Rated.
Certainly rude, but in most jurisdictions, one has to prove intent to harm, or that there is a reason to believe one would be harmed, which is clearly not the case here.
Guilty as charged!
If the Republican Party turns to the likes of Gingrich, effectively taking steps backward in time, not only will they lose out, but so will the country.
I can see your mother's influence in your writing yet you as an individual come shining through. I look forward to reading more from you in the future.
BTW, like Joan, I'd have clocked the arm-grabber, too (Mom of a same-aged daughter here).
pepper spray comes to mind. a carry permit may be taking things a bit too far. some awareness of street fighting (soft against hard and vice-versa), depending on shoes (yours) heel stomp onto soft top of arch is tried and true. good luck.
pepper spray comes to mind. a carry permit may be taking things a bit too far. some awareness of street fighting (soft against hard and vice-versa), depending on shoes (yours) heel stomp onto soft top of arch is tried and true. good luck.