Me and My Big Mouth

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Norwonk

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“No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.” (Dr. Samuel Johnson) --------------------------------------- I'm a Norwegian blockhead and policy wonk with a troubling degree of interest in American politics. Currently blogging in two languages, due to severe overflow of useless opinions. Stephen Fry recently captured my feelings when he wrote: "I sometimes think that when I die there should be two graves dug: the first would be the usual kind of size, say 2 feet by 7, but the other would be much, much larger. The gravestone should read: ME AND MY BIG MOUTH."

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SEPTEMBER 1, 2009 11:45AM

Best Blog Comment Ever?

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Oh, dear. Joe Klein is mad at Glenn Greenwald (again):

For the past several years, Greenwald has conducted a persistent, malicious campaign to distort who I am and where I stand. He is a mean-spirited, graceless bully. During that time, I have never seen him write a positive sentence about the US military, which has transformed itself dramatically for the better since Rumsfeld's departure (indeed, he ridiculed me when I reported that the situation in Anbar Province was turning around in 2007). I have never seen him acknowledge that the work of the clandestine service—performed disgracefully by the CIA during the early Bush years—is an absolute necessity in a world where terrorists have the capability to attack us at any time, in almost any place. Nor have I seen [him] acknowledge that such a threat exists, nor make a single positive suggestion about how to confront that threat in ways that might conform to his views. Therefore, I have seen no evidence that he cares one whit about the national security of the United States. It is not hyperbole, it is a fact.

I am not a religious reader of Greenwald--he does go on, and on--and it's possible that I missed extensive posts in which he praises the Armed Forces or makes positive suggestions about how to track possible communications between terrorists abroad and their confederates here. But I sort of doubt that. What I have seen from him, ad nauseum, are intemperate attacks in which he questions the character of--no, it's worse than that: he slimes--anyone who has the temerity to disagree with him.

And so on. Nothing new or particularly surprising there. Klein has been yelling at Greenwald ever since Glenn caught him with his trousers down on the issue of the FISA Bill. Old news.

But then, in the comment section, juniusredivivu strikes:

The reading today is from the Book of Klein, chapter 73, beginning at the 13th verse:
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And there were those who muttered against Klein, for there was discontent in the Land of Bafflegab, and the Centrists were discomforted. And there arose a mighty man of valor, that was named Greenwald. And around him were acolytes, many and pathetic, and they did say many unkind things, even unto publishing alarmingly accurate reports of things said at picnics, which did mightily enrage Klein, so that the blood rushed to his head and the steam out of his ears. And Klein took up his word-processor to smite them. Vast was the word-processor, of sounding brass and luminous silicon, and the length of it was seven bull-sh*ts, and the width of it was three. And the prophet Hoekstra blessed Klein and anointed him with his own manly juicings, and Klein went forth to battle. And as he issued from the Gate of Broder, through which a camel may not fit, the face of Klein was terrible, and his chariots numberless as the secret WMD sites of Iraq. And Klein came down unto the Plain of Fisa, and confronted Greenwald, who was a stripling youth, armed only with a sling.....

Here endeth the lesson.

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Thankfully, I haven't encountered this guy yet. Although I do like the occasional argument, if the other side is civil.

R.
Thanks for finding this, since I am missing the your Sunday school.
What's that saying? "It's like a boxing match with a one-armed man." Something like that. I don't know why GG bothers.
Oh great, you're in for it now. Tomorrow Klein will bellow a "private conversation" through a megaphone in the middle of Times Square about how the whole of Norway always hated U.S. troops.
If I had to put my marbles in with one or the other, of course I'd choose Greenwald, whose tedious, persnickety nature and strong sense of justice equal the best watchdog of both politicians and the media around.

But that doesn't mean he's perfect, and Klein has a point. It's true that GG plays the peanut gallery and doesn't seem all that interested in solutions. It's not necessarily his job and all that, but it's worth mentioning because solutions are never without compromise. And GG doesn't compromise.

I also happen to think Greenwald's thin-skinned, but I'm OK with that.
Smitten...but I'm a sucker for a brilliant comment.
That is so great.

And thanks for linking to the post where Glenn spanks Klein. That one was a classic, and it was nice to be reminded of it.
That comment by juniusredvivu is so perfectly framed. Excellent.
Well, next to my latest blog comment ("Nice post.") anyway.

Hey, nice post!
I have seen some mighty arguments come out of Salon, particularly from the commenters. The above doesn't really have that razor sharp sting that I hope for.

Nevertheless, Klein's whiny complaints are telling: Greenwald is MEAN! What a meanie! I think Greenwald is pretty civil. Why should his criticisms effect anyone? Either they hold water or they don't. If they don't, then it doesn't matter. Klein should grow a thicker skin or rethink his politics (although he claims not to have any. After all, he's a neutral, objective, unbiased journalist.)
if the cia was worth a shit, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

if there were no cia, there is a lively chance no one would have wanted to make it happen.

the chief charm of the cia seems to be as a podium from which klein and many others cry "the terrorists will getcha!"

well, it's a living, let him do it, in some sheltered workshop.
@ lainey
GG is a blogger, not a policy maker or elected official working on legislation. He doesn't compromise because it isn't required of him in his role. We NEED uncompromising voices.
That comment was perfect. It's like Goliath calling David a bully.
oh wow, this is brilliant, i wish I could come up with that kind of writing
Perhaps Joe Klien should finally quit pretending to be a journalist.

Also, beautiful writing on your part. Thanks!
hey,

somebody said something about Greenwald being uncompromising. He has written recently about the difference between needing to compromise in the context of legislation and civil rights. I had not given that much thought.
That is definitely a creative dillywumpus of a comment.
This is way better than having to read Klein firsthand - thanks for finding and posting. I got an excellent laugh from commenter juniusredivivu - that's a brilliant comment. Well done.
I realize that, alsaceman. I was just sayin'.

Carol: What about civil rights legislation?
I hate to say it, but ALL the best blog commenters are over at Greenwald. That has got to be a think tank of exceptionally intelligent people. (It's why I never comment there!!!)

Lainey, don' t you go dissin' my Glenn! I happen to think he is practically perfect in every way. He is the best journalist I can think of, though he doesn't claim to be one. He's far more thoughtful, integritous and trustworthy than any corporate journalist.

Did you like my coined word? GG deserves nothing less than an adjective meaning "full of integrity."

Rated for Glenn Greenwald!
Thanks for your comments! They are much appreciated. (Note to Stellaa: I've been busy these last Sundays, but I'll try to deliver on a semi-regular basis)

Personally, I think Klein let the cat out of the bag right here:

"I am not a religious reader of Greenwald--he does go on, and on--and it's possible that I missed extensive posts in which he praises the Armed Forces or makes positive suggestions about how to track possible communications between terrorists abroad and their confederates here. But I sort of doubt that."

In other words: I don't usually read his stuff, but I'm now going to attack him for something I assume he never said!

That is precisely the kind of sloppy work Greenwald caught Klein doing on the FISA Bill - a bill he claimed 1) He was right about; 2) He may have been a little bit wrong about, but he didn't have the time or the knowledge to find that out; and 3) He was lied into misrepresenting it by evil anonymous sources.

Klein has his moments, but he also does some shockingly bad work at times. And he suffers from what I perceive to be quite common among famous reporters: They hate it when other people report on them. He could get out of it by simply owning up to his mistakes and correcting them, but his ego gets in the way.

As for Greenwald: Yes, he too is a bit prickly, but he manages to keep his cool and stick to the facts, which is always a winning strategy. And he really is a "civil liberties extremist". But you can't have too many of those. There are some things which should not be open for debate or compromise. "Slavery - is it right or wrong, or should we practice a middle-of-the-road solution?" No, I think not.

By the way: Greenwald compliments the troops regularly. But as this is not the purpose of his blog, he does not devote as much time to it as hero-worshippers like Klein.

As for juniusredivivu, I am simply in awe.
Oddly enough, I'd just come from reading GG to this. Absolutely hilarious! Thanks.