Notes From Joblessville

Notes From Joblessville
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The Tri-State Area, New Jersey, USA
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February 01
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Manager of the Great Unwashed
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Hoi Polloi, Inc.
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What happens when glib goes away for a while? Snappy out-of-work gal hits ground hard. Comes back to read the greats for mental and emotional sustenance. Learns that going to ground means I'm sticking my head in the sand. Getting pets helps!

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APRIL 23, 2009 10:57AM

If You Can't Take the Heat...Close Your Comments

Rate: 35 Flag

What IS the deal with closing comments?  I just read this post that was completely obscure to one who doesn't know the inside story (and there are a lot of inside stories on OS), but it apparently ignited such a poop-storm that the writer had to close comments, or never opened comments at all.  Several things strike me as wrong about this.

Possibly the most important problem is that, I (Me, me, me, moi, moi, moi, that would be ME), didn't get a chance to watch the poop-storm develop over the ocean, turn into a tropical storm, then a full blown hurricane! I love to lurk, and watch other people devolve into first-graders, hurling inane insults at each other - "You!",  "No, you!", "You!"  "No, you!", "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever I say sticks to you!"  "Neener, neener, neeeeener"!  It makes me happy my school bus riding days are over but I can still re-live other people's humiliating behavior right here on OS!  There needs to be a Poop Storm alert that crawls across the bottom of my screen when I'm on some other website (like that ever happens), so I can click right on in! Get on it, Kerry!

Second, unless a commenter posts your name, address and phone number, I think it is your duty, as the writer, to stick by your guns and deal with the poop-storm your article has generated.  Even then, you can always change your name, move, and forward your calls to Kerry! 

Come on, people!   What happened to courage and fortitude, and selective deletion of nasty, ouchy comments?  I've seen it done with impunity by certain bloggers, and it can change the entire context of the comment thread, making monsters out of the innocent, and heroes of our pals.  That requires some imagination, though, and if you're already exhausted it  by writing your poop-storm inspiring post, I guess that won't work. 

Third, if you closed comments because you got so many that your email box has shut down, then you just plain suck, because I'm massively jealous (Me, Me, Me, Moi, Moi, Moi).  I check my email box eleventy-hundred times an hour to see if anyone has commented on my post and you're getting a torrent of comments, and your email provider has called  and said, "Knock it off, already!"  Damn, I alert the press when I get over 10 comments.  You get so overwhelmed, you crawl over to that "Close Comments" button thinking,

"Must...stop...feedback...vision...getting...blurry." 

We're writers here.  Aren't we supposed to be thick-skinned? My Momma used to tell me this story about John McPhee submitting twenty-threedeeleedy artlices to the New Yorker before he finally got one accepted and look where he is today?  What's with this for hauling tail to the hills when the brush fire starts - I am having a BLAST with mixing my metaphors, by the way.  I'll probably get slapped by some Grammar Maven, but I'll tough it out. No closing comments because I mis-placed a comma, or did something nasty with a preposition as if I ever knew what that was.  I come from tougher stock than that!

Suck it up!  Write what you mean, mean what you write, then stand by your work.  People are muderous, according to Freud.  You know who your friends are, and who the people are who just come around to tear you down.  It doesn't matter.  It's your work, own it. 

Or keep a freaking journal so no one can ever disagree with you, ever.

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I think you did miss a firestorm this weekend.
But, as always, there is more to it than it looks on the surface. To my thinking, it misdirects a lot of energy.
Consider yourself lucky that you missed the forest fire. But like Deli said there is always more than what it looks like on the surface. And I agree with her that it does lead to misdirected energy.
Great post!
I loved this but your grammar is atrocious!!! (Just kidding). Sometimes we take ourselves a little too seriously, doncha think?
I feel short-changed when I read a post that screams for comments and I discover the comments are closed.
Where's the fire? I wanna rubberneck.
I think it takes some getting used to... negative comments. I believe the parties involved were not newbies so they should know better. If someone calls me names and I feel others might jump in and "defend" me, I delete them. I've been defended when I really didn't need it, and it's embarassing.
follow the fire? pants on fire?
fire! fire! fire! quickly take pants off!
hang a pants-on-fire on telephone wires!
Okay, I rated and commented.
Now, I was away and off-line this weekend and missed the poop storm. Where was the poop storm? It is inconsiderate to point out you saw a great poop storm and not direct your readers as to where they can also view said poop storm.
P.S.
I just believe I been hacked again.
I'm not paranoid. I e-mail reg-e-mail.
Now, that don't work either. confused?
I'll e-mail to safeguard all my comments.
Just now ... I gotta Flash. It said this:`
You must provide your code number.
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creepy. cringe.
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If you be pungent,
be brief; for words,
like sunbeams --
the more they are
condensed, Oy, the deeper they burns. -wrote, Robert Southey
The practice of publicly lobbing a big ball of hatred at someone and then ducking behind the "Comments are closed" sign ... I can't even think what to say, except that it's not the way human beings should treat one another.
I can't help thinking that this post is directed at me...

Just kidding!

I have closed comments, though, on some posts, because I didn't want to deal with predictable trollish bullshit. (I won't go into the issue of posting under my real name.)
By the time I find out there's been a poop storm, the poop that hit the fan has already dried on the walls and the poop in the comments is stale. I get bored and move to another room.
The worst are the hit and run posts, designed to provoke controversy and often hurt feelings too. They published, comments closed from the beginning and often are deleted a few days later after the author feels either too ashamed to look at their own work any longer ,or just wants to remover any lasting evidence of their snarkiness. These are followed closely by authors who selectively delete comments for their own benefit leaving future readers unable to make sense of the remaining comments because continuity has been lost, rather like tearing certain pages out of a book that contain significant plot details.

I do not speak of rude, obscene, or lewd comments. It's up to each blog owner to decide how they wish to handle these, but again I believe it is best to leave these as well. After all, if they are truly nasty and without merit comments they will be recognized as such by your readership and it will only reflect badly on the commenter.

That's all I have to say about that.

Oh, one more thing, this was a very well written post addressing a timely topic in a well written, and witty manner.
Ever look at dijon's blog - he closes them all, as soon as his lies start clearly being exposed as such.
Sometimes it is fun to close comments because you know it will frustrate others.
When someone posts poop, and closes the comments, it just keeps the poop storm going, because then the poopee feels the need to "defend" themselves by flinging their own poop on their own blog. Playground analogies apply.
Some sanity. Rated.
very timely indeed. I didn't know we could literally close our posts so that no one could comment anymore. I'm riding out my own little storm right now, but still takin' what they're dishin'. Great and funny thoughts. oh. maybe this is me. (Shrieks of laughter!)
Funny work, Notes.

Writing a flame and then closing comments is the antithesis of what OS is supposed to be about in my opinion but to each their own.
In the inimitable words of David Cassidy, "I think I love you."
Well written post. But the comments were the best part. Made me giggle all the way through.
Rated for using "poop" in several ways in one post.
I close comments when I am using a blog as a classroom example. OS is a convenient spot to post such things. I have posted two or three things in the past two weeks related to using methods described in Winston Weathers Grammar B alternative rhetoric and OS readers generally say WTF? when they see them.

But why do you care so much? There are hundreds of other posts on which to comment. I think Stellaa said it better so I won't repeat it.

People who post here can engage in conversation if they want. It should not be a friggin' requirement.
I come here to practice my writing because I can just throw something together and post it. And I always get nice comments, well, usually always, and if someone takes offense to something I've said, I just leave it there. What do I care? Then again, I don't seem to be universally reviled here, or even selectively reviled, which makes me wonder if perhaps I'm doing something wrong. Should I call other people names, people I don't know, just because I CAN? Then I might get more hits. Then when I select some of my "best of" posts I can say, "Hey, look here, I got tons of hits on this!" when the reason I got tons of hits is because I intentionally annoyed people, which seems to be what gets the activity level up.

I always find about about the firestorms after they're over with anyway. Which is all right with me.
Whether people close comments, delete them, or stare longingly at them is irrelevant to me. I just love your writing style.

To paraphrase VR, who paraphrased David Cassidy, "I know I love you."
You a funny li'l piece o' shit, ain't y a?

hahHAHAhahahahAHA

oh.
my avatar made me do it.
I feel your pain. But in the rare cases where I've written meta-posts, I realized after twelve hours that I really wanted to move on and let the issue go.

Case in point. I wrote a post about Dr. Amy after she left Open Salon. According to my statscounter I still get a hundred hits a day on that post. Sure I could keep the comments open and nurture it to a regular spot on the cover. Maybe all the people who follow her now on reddit and digg, could come and join OS, and I could perhaps make a career out of moderating people's hatred of Amy Tuteur.

But by the end of one day, I felt the bile had risen far enough, and I just wanted to move on. And hoped that everyone else on OS would too. I still think that's the right decision for me and OS.

Sorry to those who still have more to say. Maybe you could start a post on reddit? I guarantee you'll make a lot of friends real quick.
I don't really do shitstorms, but I like your advice about having a thick skin, being honest and owning what you write. I'm here to try to learn to do that.
I know there are decent, well intentioned people (like Stella) who think deleting posts and closing comments is no big deal...

...but I am of the school that says either is a form of censorship....and if you think censorship is no big deal you are probably hanging out in the wrong place.

Do yourself...and freedom of expression...a favor: NEVER delete a comment...and never close comments!

It is a very hard habit to break...and making excuses for doing it becomes easier with each happening.
Very well said and cogently stated. I'm jumping on the David Cassidy, "I think I love you" bandwagon. rated (:
I think I've closed comments about twice in 100 blogs.
I like to think of our blogs are our own creations. And as such, we have the right to do with it as we see fit.

I've closed comments on several of my pieces for the mere fact I felt any comment on them would be redundant.

I have enough confidence in some of my work where they can stand alone.

But I never close comments for the sake of closing them. If I really want to eliminate comments altogether, then I usually delete the entire piece, and I have several times with nary a regret.

So again, just let the person who writes his/her own blog make the decision. It's their blog after all. :)
I just got in on the tail end of a poop-storm and PM'd somebody to find out what was the big deal. It was no "big deal".
I just say, Amen, Sister! We're grown-ups. Now let's act like it. Having said that, I recently kind of flounced and would like to apologize to anyone who saw it. I was depressed. I, too, need to grow up.
Please direct me to the firestorm. Hate to miss a good one. Sometimes they devolve into the ridiculous, but tremendously interesting up until that point.
I love reading all the comments on my work! I would never ever ever block anyone's ability to make fun of my writing! No way! ;)
How do you close comments? That button seems to have disappeared.