odetteroulette

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Currently wishing I didn't have to do any grading. Before that, graduate student and new mom. Now an actual Dr. of Something or Other and the Kid is two and some months. Before that, a Southern girl in the West. Now a Southern girl in the South, dreaming of being in the West. Before that, I can't remember. Still waiting for the flying car.

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APRIL 22, 2009 1:12PM

Mean Girls Suck

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I met my first mean girls in grade school. I didn't know that they were mean girls. I didn't actually know what that was. I mean, I had a brother who called me a 'butthole' behind my parents' back and occasionally punched me in the arm, but I wasn't really acquainted with anything meaner than that.

 I was lucky. Who knew?

Anyway, in fourth grade, the school I attended decided to separate the classes of students, all of whom had been together since first grade. It was done to "give us exposure to new friends and new learning experiences." You know, it was something done because the adults were bored. 

All my friends were separated and sent to different classes, and I ended up in a class with all the "popular" girls. (Popularity starts in first grade. Well, heck, now maybe it starts in kindergarten, in daycare, in the womb.) The popular girls were not separated because the majority of their very rich parents were on the school board and didn't allow that to happen. 

When I went to my parents, bless their hearts, and told them about my loneliness and worry, they told me to buck up!! That these girls were just people! I had so much personality!  (And now, how many parents tell their children that? ha. I look back on that sentence with great fondness and some wry amusement/horror. It always sounded like I kept a Big Bucket of extra Personality on hand.) They would like me, and if they didn't, they didn't deserve to be my friend.

They were right, of course, generally speaking but does that make it feel any better when someone rejects you, especially at the age of eight and nine? Alas, no. Acceptance is so greatly desired, especially because, it is my experience, among girls that age, they are starting to discover their place in the world and are finding out that much of society sees their self-worth in terms of what they look like. Brains are not as valuable as beautiful hair in a young girl. I hate that THAT is still true, pretty much. Come on, y'all. You know it is.

But I took my parents' advice. I made friends with the popular crowd. At first it was great. They called me funny; they loved my hair. We had slumber parties and put shaving creme in one girl's bra, listened to Peter Frampton (my lord.) and had a good time. Well, mostly. 

I mean, okay, well, there was that thing where they told me I shouldn't hang out with my old friends because they were ridiculous and lame. That was very uncomfortable. And there was that part where one of the things that they liked to do the most was to torment this poor girl who I can now pretty safely say must have been on the autism spectrum. She stayed by herself a lot, never really did anything in class but sit in the back and hum and rock, and she spent a lot of time with the school counselor and with the special ed section of the school. She was from a poor family and wore old sweaters with little tiny sweater 'pills' all over them. Her hair was rarely washed. Her face was already awash with tiny pimples.

My new friends like to throw their sandwich crusts at her at lunch and walk by her table and hold their noses as if she smelled bad. They tripped her on the playground.  They got the popular boys to help them. They would corner her on the playground and push at her while the girls all laughed. 

Where were the adults? Well, usually smoking off to the side or quietly eating, seeing it ALL and doing nothing. Rich parents. School board. Keeping their jobs.

It was kind of like a John Hughes' movie on mescaline.  Without Molly Ringwald dressed in goofy but cute clothes. No one poor and weird got the rich, sensitive boy.

At first, I tried to participate in these activities. I wanted so desperately to fit in. But I stopped sleeping at night. I had awful dreams I couldn't really remember in the morning. I spent a lot of time in the bathroom crying. I didn't really even understand it myself.

Finally, I refused to do it. One of the girls, the ringleader, would actually egg the other girls on to do these terrible things, while she herself sat back and did nothing. One day on the playground, she told me to walk by and spit on the girl. I got up, legs trembling, stomach churning. I looked over at the adults, smoking on the edge of the playground. At the popular girls, all laughing, their faces so innocent and happy and lovely. They were so beautiful looking. I walked by the girl. I stopped. She looked up, her face, already scarred by those little pimples, her hair lank. She was rolling one of those little pills on her sweater back and forth in her hand. I looked back. The girls were waiting. I gathered the spit together in my mouth. And then I just couldn't do it. I'd like to say I met her eyes, and we connected, but no, really, something in me, something put there by my parents or by some mysterious lesson I'd learned in kindergarten stopped me. Who the hell knows? I just said, "hey." She didn't even respond. And then I ran to the bathroom and hid there for the rest of the afternoon. When I returned to the classroom to get my books, the teacher didn't even ask where I'd been. 

When I came to class the next day, the popular girls wouldn't speak to me. They made faces at me. They passed notes. One girl screamed at me on the playground and pushed me. They started making fun of me. One of them spit on me. I spent a lot more time in the bathroom. 

At lunch, they pushed my tray off the table. They had the boys come up and take away my food or pick their noses and spread it on my tray. They pretended once to re-friend me, saying they forgave me, then took it back, laughing in my face when I cried.

I never told my parents. Never.

When I got to the next grade and from then on, it was different for me in terms of making friends. I went to school. I did the schoolwork and did well at it. I was friendly with everyone. I even made a couple of new friends and spent time with them. But I pulled back from being truly close with anyone, a habit I still cling to somewhat. This made me mysterious, evidently, and I had tons of friends but no one I wanted to really know well.

I did find that, outside school, there were wonderful things, like theatre and music and I made friends there too and really enjoyed myself. But at school, I was marking time. I was horrified at the idea of a high school reunion. Why would I want to go to that?

When I went to college, I thought I was done with it. No more mean girls. We were here to LEARN. (Oh my lord. I really believed that. Bless my heart.) In my second week, I made friends with this girl from one of my classes and she and her roommate asked me to come over for dinner and a movie. After the movie, we walked back to the dorms, the girls oddly excited about something. They kept telling me, "You're going to love this! It's hilarious!" They got popcorn and sat out on the lawn in front of the dorms where we could look into dorm room windows. I was slightly scandalized by this act, but thought maybe we were going to spy on some half-naked boy. I know. Terrible but hey, I see the male chest as a lovely thing.

Instead, they pointed to a window high up on the eighth floor. In it was a girl, on the top bunk of a bunkbed. The light framed her perfectly. I met her later. She had some serious mental problems. I'm not sure what, to tell you the truth. She didn't bathe much. She had a weird thing her face did, contorting slightly when she spoke. Her hands shook a little, and she sweated a lot. Not very appealing, right? She also hallucinated later in the term and thought someone was trying to kill her. The police had to come, and eventually, she had to leave school, heading straight for the hospital.

Anyway, the light framed her perfectly in the window. She was rocking, violently, back and forth, back and forth. Over and over. Like a little child. The girls next to me started laughing hysterically. They sat on the lawn, ate popcorn and watched her. And laughed and laughed.

I got this weird metallic taste in my mouth as I sat there, transfixed by the girl, rocking back and forth, her hair flying around her face. I didn't tell them to stop. I told them I had to leave early and get some sleep. I walked around the corner and threw up in the bushes.  Everything from grade school came back in this nasty rush. I went home and pushed it out of my mind. I tried never to think about it again. Not very noble of me, but there it is.

Later, I read the book by Cheryl Dellasega called Mean Girls Grown Up. And I recognized everyone in it, including myself.

I know now it never stops, no matter what my parents said about high school staying in high school.  I'd like to say I've found a set of friends who don't do that, don't like to insult or dissect other people for their pleasure. But, it's not true. I still have friends who spend their evenings at the bar making fun of some other girl's outfit and hair, who say bad things about each other behind each other's backs. I don't participate, but stop it? Impossible. They tell me "You are just too nice." That's a lie, as you must know. I am not nice. I am a hypocrite and a liar. I just don't get involved, whatever that means. 

I cannot ask for forgiveness of anyone. I never learned that little girl's name. I have blocked the name of the other girl from my memory or it's just gone, which is less dramatic. 

I look at my child. She is so beautiful. I know. I'm a mother. They all think that about their children. But, she is. And she has loads of personality. And I get ridiculously maudlin and dramatic and think, "Which will she be? The bully or the victim or the sideliner?" Then, I shake it off. She's herself. I dream of her rising above all of it and being the most well adjusted person on the planet. That movie "Parenthood" comes to mind.

I don't know. I saw that article about that poor little boy, dead at eleven. Bullying transcends gender and is still largely ignored evidently. 

I was lucky. I never wanted to kill myself, I confess. I just wanted those girls to go away. Just find erased them from the universe somehow. In my fantasies, aliens came and took them in the night or one morning, everyone woke up and they just didn't exist. But, that's pretty silly. 

I still don't sleep much at night. I've really moved on from those times when I was little. I'm fairly well-adjusted. But sometimes at night, I think of the girl's hair, flying, as she rocked back and forth. And I sit up and try to think of something else. 

 

 

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Heartbreaking, and so true.
My stomach was churning the entire time. It brings up bad, bad memories from elementary and middle school for me too, Odette. By high school, I had developed an icy sheen that more or less protected me -- but they called me the Ice Bitch behind my back. And by college, I just didn't make friends anymore.

Powerful story, Odette. Thank you for sharing. Rated.
Heartbreaking . . . and it is small but I have to make sure Tyler does a better job of brushing her hair.
This is by turns heart-wrenching and chilling, odette. I think it's the best piece you've written here. (And that's saying something.)
Two words for the parasite: Home school.
*blink*
this is an amazing post. thank you for writing it.
I actually got a headache from writing it. Well, that and SOMEONE who will remain nameless ::coughtheKIDcough:: pulled a lamp over onto her head last night while trying to scale the crib. We spent a large portion of the evening making sure her brains weren't scrambled. Sadly, she has learned nothing from it. During her nap this morning, I caught her staring longingly at the place where the lamp had been and whining. (it is broken--it broke over her head!!! I kid you not.) I've been having a "I suck as a mom for not removing that lamp" moment all morning long.
Awww....brings back memories. Ugh. Mean girls....yuck.
Oh, and great, great thanks guys for reading this one and saying kind things. It was kind of hard to write.
Odette, you are a powerful writer and a lovely, honest, brave soul. We all have moments we wish we could have back, when we might have stood up for something good and just... didn't. Just the awareness you created with this post will do some good. If you don't mind, I may print it out and share it with the 8th graders in my Sunday school class.
This is very well-told and true. I do, though, have friends who consciously avoid dissecting other girls and making snarky comments. They seemed hard to find at one time, but then it got easier, and I wouldn't trade them. I think schools have to start even with preschoolers talking about bullying--the aggressive and passive aggressive kinds. That won't eradicate all of it, but it will give it less power.
and so it goes really does sum it up. Well brought together and stated Odette.
The 11 year old boy committing suicide is so disturbing. There are so many mean kids...and mean adults. I thought by my age (let's just say mid-life) that I'd be done with mean girls. Ha. There will always be mean girls and mean men. The key is in having the tools to deal with them so they hold no power in our lives. Great post.
Hey O. I wrote a major magazine piece for Brain, Child on mean girls two years ago.......... I would be happy to copy it and send it to you if you cannot get it from the library or their website. Psychologists were using it in training sessions. Next generation stuff..... About how moms were enabling. Serious business.

It's tough out there. I have a 16 year old. She is past the middle school years where it is the roughest.
Ah ps, I guess I should say I was bulled in 7th grade. Bad. So I knew/know whereof I speak. And wrote. It helped when I was talking to my daughter during those years.
Thanks guys. :) And Annette, I would be honored, honestly.

BBE--oh my god. no way. I'd be dead in a week from exhaustion. The parasite is a wild woman.
I watch my daughter go through this kind of shit right now and ache for her. Very well written, however sad.
odetteroulette - First, this is compellingly written, and blesssedly honest. Well done. Second, I remember it all too well - I was 1.5 degrees above the pimply girl in the social pecking order. I decided to defend everyone below me in the pecking order, since I could at least fight, and they couldn't. It worked out pretty well in the end - nobody messed with me by the time I was in middle school, and I was mostly able to focus on academics and sports. I was quiet enough that by high school, the mean girls and boys had forgotten about me. But my shame, like yours, is any of the times I just went along with the crowd, and did nothing.
odetteroulette, well-written.

It was disheartening to me to learn last year when I worked briefly in my grandkids' daycare center, just how young the mean gene expresses itself.

In my darling Scarlet's class were TWIN mean girls (and the slightly less mean one was often her sister's victim).

One night at my house as I tucked her into bed, Scarlet told me tearfully that Abby, Mean Twin #1, had told her that if Scarlet would be mean to a certain boy in class, Abby would give Scarlet some chocolate. "I don't want to be mean," said Scarlet. "But I want the chocolate."

How does a child get to be so mean, so young, and not only that, so manipulative and hateful? Almost enough to make you believe in things like "bad seeds."

Brrrrrr!
Painfully good. My daughter is 13 and in 8th grade and we hear this stuff from her every day. The cliques of boys and girls have all taken their turns at taunting her despite all of those anti-bullying rules, and yes, we have been "to the office". The popular kids all come from the parents with deep pockets. I can only hope that her new HS, with a completely different set of kids will be slightly better.
what Rob said about your writing.
One girl, in grade school, used the "N" word constantly. The principal stood there and let her do it. The teachers stood there and let her do it. I was the only Black kid in the whole school of about 100 students.

I did fine in high School and beyond. I never saw or heard from that bitch again especially since they knocked heads at our High School over racial slurs.

Time wounds all heels, I guess.
odette this is one of the best things I've read on OS. really powerful and a dark look at human nature, even in kids. i wish i didn't understand or feel what you're saying but I do.
I have often wondered what goes on in the lives of mean girls that make them that way. It has to be something horrid. They seem to stay angry all of their lives. Now with the internet, they torture poor unsuspecting souls on facebook and myspace.

Excellently written!
Compelling and not a little frightening. I agree with Rob and the Sheepdog, by the way.

Rated
Her Maj seems to lack this streak of "mean". It bodes well for her as an adult, but I'm seeing some rough years ahead...
A great essay, very revealing in the truest sense of that word. You reached for total honesty and found it and your writing flowers with it. The mean girls phenomenon probably will not ever go away, but the more we teach our girls to not succumb to the siren song of their power, which is just an excuse for not thinking for yourself. With a mom like you, I think your daughter is on the right road.
How can something so awful and heartbreaking be written with such piercing, painful beauty? I weep for us all.
This brought back chilly memories. When I was twelve I was hoping I would grow up and find out I was not the only one who experienced these types of things. Written with heart. And so it goes is right. My daughter is finding out they don't get much more mature as they get older. She is getting bullied on Facebook.
There are always the "popular" Heathers and the empathic girls who can't go that route in the end. It's one of the classic story lines of literature.

No one has noted it , but the same sort of thing has been going on here, this past week. Lovely, glib ones taunting someone less fortunate, and rationalizing it like crazy. It is still mean.
What a powerful, heartbreaking post! I spent my freshman year of college at an women's Catholic college, and I didn't know how to cope with the mean girls in my class. But I admit I struggle with my inner mean girl. Looking back to high school, my best friend and I used intellectual arrogance as our way of being mean girls.
Ah, childhood memories. I got my ass seriously kicked once when I interviened when three bullies were beating up a smaller kid. Of course he ran off leaving me to the worst of it. But don't worry, one of those guys wound up in a mental institution, the second slowly killed himself with drugs and the third was stabbed to death in a bar fight.
I try to think of someting else too...when I think of some of my interactions and "friendships" as I was growing up and realize I am raising 3 kids who are going to have to live through the same kind of social development, all the good and the bad parts, it sometimes makes my stomach hurt. Thank you for sharing your story so beautifully.
First I looked at the length of the post and said oh, oh.... I´m short of time, but I gave myself the time, and it was well worth it. Excellent writing, so good... as for those girls, I understand so well your feelings... I was the outcast many years and I find it hard to make friends with women in general. As for your girl (I have two: 5 and 11 years old, I know what it is like...) you will make the difference, you´ll talk to her and listen to her, and you´ll notice the minute something goes wrong. You´ll be there for her. I promise. Rated.
odette--(***exhale***)
I've got little girls not yet in grade school...already I see tentacles of this peculiar stuff within play on the figurative playground. It's not bullying but certainly competitiveness and teasing.

As a kid, I was at the receiving end of bullying a time or two and remember it well. I was rarely an aggressor because I found the experience painful...I guess its harder to live with oneself when one sucks than it is to live with the PERCEPTION of sucking (ie being told you suck when, in fact, you can rest in the knowledge that you don't). The true success of the mean girl is in the mastery of this limitation.

(Btw, did you hear that the "Craigslist" killer was a former high school bully?)

As for my attitude about "mean girls" now, I'm mixed. For one, the term has to be defined. You defined it well (sitting around with popcorn taking pleasure at someone else's pain), but not everybody is in agreement. For example, not everybody knows themselves well, and most tend to focus on injustices received rather than on those meted out.

I try to be patient, to not jump on bandwagons of the personal nature, and keep perspective since most misunderstandings around here (on OpenSanatorium) occur because bloggers assume personal slight when the slight is in the abstract--a slight of idea, for example--this is, after all, just a conglomerate of electronic pulses and circuits. That attitute works just fine in the parallel universe beyond the computer too...

June Jordan writes in Soldier, "Remember, it's a bully. You can't win," but you can make em hurt so they never want to fight you again. She says that, growing up in Harlem, she was in a lot of fights, but no one ever fought her twice.
Great writing. What a powerful, painful tale. Unfortunately, this stuff continues, and will continue as long as there exist people on the planet, some better off than others, and raised by bullies to be bullies.

No one ever forgets, nor really gets over what "crimes" were committed against them when they were young. Again, great piece, Odette.
Oh, one of my daughters had to go through that in junior high. It was hell for her. She's 35 now, and recovered, but it is still difficult for her to make friends with women. I don't think I realized until I read your piece how hard it must have been for her.

I grew up in a different time and place - that kind of mean couldn't have happened.

That is not to say that children weren't mean or that some weren't bullies, but to me, the quality was different - somehow less caustic.
Excellent writing. I felt your pain at each turn. I "turned in" a mean girl at school. She got expelled. Talk about scared? Then she tried to beat the hell out of me, in the girls bathroom...I learned I was tougher that I thought. But she never messed with me again.
Mean girls will ALWAYS suck.
Karin--It's hard to do because now I am beset by the other thing that happens with adulthood--I feel compassion for them. I see that they are frightened by something nameless. I don't even understand what it is. But the mean ones run from it constantly. I think I need to learn to be firmer in their presence about it happening and how I don't want to be around it. I don't know. That's pretty lame, really, isn't it? I just don't want it to exist, but you know, it does.

Lea--It was a rough week with behavior that got completely out of hand. There's a special type of bullying that happens on the Internet whereby friends come when someone is feeling attacked and a feeding frenzy ensues. Sometimes, even the most well meaning individuals get caught up in it. It has the flavor of the mob. To tell you the truth, it has yet to completely cease, and I wish we could all put down our weapons of choice (words) and move on from it. I wrote this after reading about that poor boy, but I guess, indeed, this does apply.
I'm so glad that I have two boys (that are large for their age), and no girls. Girls have gotten meaner and nastier since I was in school. Boys seem to have gotten nicer.
JL--I wasn't actually talking about any of that here, as I said to Lea in the comment above. And while I fully appreciated Lea's beautiful comment, I'd prefer not to have my blog taken over by that.

Let's concentrate instead on ways of stopping this behavior as opposed to denying its relevance or its existence.

Bullying does exist at all ages, pretty much. It still hurts people, I'm sure. It's great to want to rise above cruel and petty actions, or even declare yourself above it, but in truth, even the most self-actualized individual has trouble. I mean, look at what happened in Germany in the 30s. What is bullying if not the opening shot of a person filled with fear hurting others to feel better about him or herself. It doesn't usually end so dramatically, with concentration camps and death, and certainly, the Holocaust was much MUCH more complicated than that. I don't want to boil it down to school yard bullying at all.

But it was about difference, and socioeconomic factors were involved. Those are pretty striking similarities. We should be aware of the bully, and the victim, in all of us, all the time, I think.
Odette, you've written your very story well, but the subject makes me sick and angry, so I either have nothing to say...or much too much.

I'll go for the very brief...I was a victim, but I would have never called myself that, because my reaction was anger and I didn't take it passively. In fact, I never self-identify as a victim in anything because it is weakening to do so.

If there is any chance of changing the apparent acceptance and acquiescence of bullying in our society...not just among children, but across ages and situations, we need to stop quietly standing by. To say that that's how it's always been and always will be is to perpetuate it.
:) Nor I you. And the delete button is my best friend.

It even sounds SEXY. the DELETE button. heh heh How erotic.
Suz--And there you get to the root of it. That's exactly it. :)
And YUCK I'm getting preachy. JL, please slap me.
Thanks Odette!

And you're not preachy. You don't need to pull back at all.
Odette, I know exactly what you're talking about. I wrote a blog last week on the boy's side of Bullying. And Like I and the comments said, bully's are really just cowards. Notice how most have a posse with them. Let the peon do it. Then laugh like hell. Tell your daughter to treat everyone like you want to be treated. She'll be fine.
Wonderful piece, Odette.

It's interesting; I tend to have more male friends than female friends, and it has ever been thus. The female friends I've got all present as more "guy" than "girl," as well. I think the reason for this is that I've always despised the dynamic you describe here; I have no patience for it, and I extract myself from social relationship with women who are All Claws relatively early on.

I think I've also said before somewhere, eons ago, that I cannot bear to watch film "comedies" that are sadistic/humiliating to the characters. The "Something About Mary" syndrome feeds the cruel streak in the dark corners of the human soul and I find it sickening.

Thank you for writing this.
"We should be aware of the bully, and the victim, in all of us, all the time, I think."
odetteroulette

That is perfect Odette. If we could just do this. I know it's impossible, but if we only could
As a child who empathized with the outcasts and weirdos since I was one myself, (after moving to LA to live with my Evil Mother, I was enrolled in 3rd grade where none of the kids would touch me because the black would rub off and the teacher thought blacks were stupid and beneath her) I spent most of my time alone with no possibility of ever fitting in with the popular crowd. The social isolation was horrid, but at least I never got comfortable with the horrible bloodsport that is attacking others to feel better about yourself.

What a wonderful, wonderful piece you've written.
It even sounds SEXY. the DELETE button. heh heh How erotic.

I call it the "elision" button, on those special occasions.
I don't even know what to say. Such a wonderful/terrible post. Rated. Felt. Ooof.
No, it doesn't ever stop. I was blessed with obliviousness and invisibility as small child, or I would have been a great target as the only Latina and someone who was clueless about American culture. I went back to school to get a law degree in my 50s. I made friends with a younger woman who later told me that the other law students used to say snarky things about me because I always had the answer. Huh? In *law* school? Since I didn't care, brains did count, and I'm rather funny and sufficiently charming, I got along ok. But they had pariahs, outcasts, even there. It was ugly. They passed around a petition to get a guy thrown out because he was a conservative. As a kid, I used to befriend the kid nobody liked and I found myself doing that in law school. What's wrong with people?
Rob--I propose someone wrote a small erotic piece about deleting posts. hee hee Er, not me. snerk.
Surely this was hard to write, because you give yourself no quarter. You were only an kid. You coped as best you could.
I think the awareness of this "mean" behavior was less---as well as the consequences of such behavior. I think your own awareness will mold the values you pass along, and your daughter will be neither a perpetrator nor a victim, passive or otherwise.
mah--I was a kid, but I knew it was wrong. I knew it. I still know it. (I'm making a wry face here.)

Thanks for these comments, you guys. I wonder, sometimes, what it would take to end it. In the John Hughes' movie, all it takes is one drunken night and some cake or a big dance. In reality, there must be a way to start the conversation in the classroom, as well as at home.
Your daughter probably won't turn out to be one of those mean girls because of you. Boy, this was sure a flashback to my childhood. Good story.
This was amazingly well written. So much so that I have that metallic taste in my mouth, too.

Thank you for being so open, so honest, and so brave.
A very touching post. Much of the evil big and small in this world stems from people taking pleasure in other's suffering.
Now that I am a parent, there is a dark corner in my mind where I sometimes wonder whether my kids will be bullied or ostracized. It's one thing to have survived it ourselves. It's quite another to have to watch our sweet little children go through the same cycle of cruelty (be it giving or receiving) all over again. When will this cruelty stop?
Mean girls. They affected me too. I am always guarded in how I make and keep friends. Even though I don't see them anymore, just thinking about them makes me freak out. Women are so hard on each other; you'd think our instincts would be to stick together but it just doesn't seem to be the pattern.
Rated for relating.
What Rob said. A brilliant piece of writing. Riviting. Relentless. Real. And so very sad. Wow.
Your post was very touching and compelling. I was not one of the popular girls at school or a victim. I never thought of myself as a bully even though my small clique used to tease a skinny kid with cartoons and catcalls. He had friends. We never hit him or threatened him with violence of any kind. It never crossed my mind that we were bullying him until I met him years later, while I was working on my second degree. I ran into him on a train. I instantly recognized him and said hi. I was genuinely pleased to see him. He broke out into a spontaneous nose bleed. We chatted briefly. Afterwards, I reflected on my treatment of him back in high school. My belief in my own virtue was suddenly and severely challenged. Now I'm a mom with an eight year old daughter. We talk about bullying a lot. I encourage her to stand up for kids who are being bullied. Naturally she worries about being bullied if she does. I tell her if she can come to the rescue at least comfort that person when the agressor is not around. Tell them they don't stink, suck, etc. I wish I could give her better advice. In the real world, it is not so easy to be neither bully nor victim nor accomplice.
I heard that story about the 11 year old too. Very, very sad. And yes, where the hell are the adults? Sitting around chatting, not paying any attention. I could share a million stories on this. I hope you don't mind, but I'm printing this out and letting my daughter read it. She is 13 and surrounded. Actually, it started at about 7 for her. I remember when I was 13 or 14, I had long, long hair, down past waist. This one girl really had it in for me. She kept asking me if she could trim my hair. Finally, I gave in. I always tried to be nice with everyone. She grabbed all my hair in the back, pulled it in a ponytail and cut off 14 inches. I wouldn't go to school for days. And then I only wore hooded sweatshirts for awhile. After that, I trusted no one and still don't. The great thing was, her brother did the same to her a few years later. Hehehehehehe. Mean girls. They just suck.
The painful, honest truth as written here is quite devastating and you were brave to not gloss over your own mistakes.

I can't help wondering if any of the "popular" girls or "mean" girls grow up to remember themselves as such? How many would see themselves in this story?

I think some women tend to rationalize the nastiness of their youth as just something girls do or maybe, in cases like this, they are too self-important to realize the human damage they've done.

I've always had the fantasy of finding every bully I ever encountered, just to straighten them out.
I don't have time to read through all the comments but I wanted to add my two cents. You made me think. I have always been the one who "stayed out of it" but the temptation to turn all "mean girl" on the ones who were like that in HS is great. I have fantasies about going to my reunion next year and forcing one girl to sit down and listen to me tell her what a horrible person she is/was and how I'm so much better than her. But I'm staying out of it.
I was the class scapegoat for two years in grade school and it was horrible. And no teacher ever came to my aid. The only thing I can say now is that I'm always willing to learn about the underdog, and support them, if they deserve it.
I was the class scapegoat for two years in grade school and it was horrible. And no teacher ever came to my aid. The only thing I can say now is that I'm always willing to learn about the underdog, and support them, if they deserve it.
odette, this is the second time today that I'm thankful you stopped by my page and left a comment, and that I've followed you back to yours.

I wasn't going to read this (I was supposed to leave for home already - the wife keeps texting me, "when are you leaving?") but I felt compelled after the first few lines.

I was tormented relentlessly in high school, by one person in particular. My family moved a lot - almost every 2 to 3 years - so I never made any real friends. An inability to make friends is like catnip to a bully.

And I do mean relentless - every day, nearly all day, from gym class to the long walk home. After breaking down crying in my guidance counselor's office, asking him to please make it stop, it would abate for a while - he got his friends to pick on me until he felt it safe again.

Both physical and emotional torture. For the most part I sat there, pretending to ignore it (anyone else's parents ever tell you to do that? just ignore them?), paralyzed with fear.

Then one day he snagged my shirt out of my gym locker. There was no one there but us, and for some reason I felt the theft of my shirt was enough and I chased him. I bumped him grabbing it back, and he collided with a steel fire door, shattering his knee cap.

I'll let you guess who was reprimanded for the incident.

Still, it's hard to bully someone from crutches. He never bothered me again.
A very brave and well written story. It resonates with me on several levels. I hope this helps you to know it will help others.

Made me cry actually. Well done.
and now my wife's got my 2 1/2-yr-old son calling ("daddy, when you comin' home? are you comin' to my home right now? I not went poopie in my pants") so I'm going to make this addendum short...

it's troubling when I stop to think about what my son may go through when he's old enough. ...which is apparently now, as he's in daycare for about a year now. (Helen, they learn that from someone, you know) I have two nieces, the youngest of which is almost 4. They think it's pretty funny to say "poopie-head."

After reading this, I'm just as troubled that he might get bullied as I am that he might be the bully. Yes, I know all parents say this, but my kid is adorable (to the point that I'm still not convinced he's mine). What if he gets too popular? But then, I'm not exactly rolling in dough, so he's got that going for him...(?)

I may just tell him what my dad never told me: you only have to knock someone's teeth out with a bat once, then they leave you alone.
Odette, you are such a goddamngood writer!

I hate 'numeric' rating, I think it is MickeyMouse (I do verbal, as above)
But this One Time I will rate!
Mean girls, Mean guys;

Cmon Odette! ----Tell us The Rest of The Story!!------

The mean girls & guys get smashed and fuck in the back of

a beatup Ford, (I dont mean 'make love', -I mean Fuck!)

-repeat that line 3x, so that I dont bore you by doing so

myself. The pain of a Dumb existance is beyond description.

So painful that the slo-suicide of drugs is often the escape


While the meanies were fucking their brains out in the beer
stink of an old heap, You were having a glass of burgandy
with that shy nerdy skinny freshman, while discussing Proust.
I dont have to describe the mediocre quality, or infinite quantity of fucking your brains out --We are suffocated with such descriptions.

I see you (yes You, beautiful lady) strolling through Chartres

or the Duomo in Florence, with a sensitive, intelligent, (also

recent graduate), companion. whose mind is a maze of Chartres (sp?)

exqisite, infinite, exotic, beautiful detail, and back at the hotel your

body vibrates to exactly those, infinities as his body enters yours.

You fall into the Abyss of hormones dancing to the infinite rhythms

of the fuge, arches reaching to God. The genetic complexity of

the infinity of the mind awakened to the others'.

Pity the meanies. They are condemned to a life of limited

curiosity and blunted sensitivity and they sense this, so become

hurt, lonely resentful and arrogant.

There is a spectrum of pain and joy
within which, the Renaissance of
self realization comes too late to be
expressed with the remaining joys of youth. The purgatory of the trivial
dominates like a silent virus.
Oh my! --Someone we Know???

The 'Age of Someone we Know'??

Pity them Odette, you magnificent, barefoot goddess: Their

pain is infinite; Your happiness is infinite.

Insert: as I write: a tiny (by European measure) Chinese girl (ok young lady)goes by beaming like the sun.
she stops, picks a flower, giving it
to her baby. Then beams to the
point of ecstacy.

At the same time a grantourisimo
xx5sex MeanCar goes by drowning the
scene with belching roaring dual
pipes. Poor guy, he missed the
mother baby and flower.
Smiling dragons ward off evil and purr
Argonne
Wow.

I've never read your particular perspective before. I've heard from bullies, from victims, and from rescuers. But not from someone like you, one of those who swell the crowd of hangers-on. Thanks for sharing this, how it happens, because before reading this I had no idea what such people were like or what they could possibly be thinking.

Is it really true that your friends today are the same way? Because mine aren't. I mean, I have very few friends, and they have to do a lot to be called that, but they really aren't. I can see that my mom's friends are, though, horrible women who have contests about whose children are best and whose husband is worst. And yet my mom says her friends are wonderful, even as I watch them eat her alive and try to ruin her relationships with her family.

Why are so many women like this, do you think? My husband says its because women don't hit hard enough, because any man who acts the way these mean girls act wouldn't live past second grade, so they've been eliminated from the gene pool. But that sort of points out that men do the same thing, only they usually do it with fists or slamming each other around in trash cans instead of with mockery. Which he does not deny.
Allie, not all my friends are like this, and oddly, because I do not participate, they do not subject me to the bad behavior. I'm exempt. This might also be because I would clearly leave the relationship if they began to hurt me. However, I've seen a few of my friends do this to other women. I'm not sure why they do this. It appears to have something to do with a feeling of insecurity for some of them, though not all of them. And I have friends who want, desire to be lead by a queen bee. Which I find odd and do not understand in the slightest.
Thank you for writing this. This is the best thing I have read on OS. I spent a lot of time on the "mean girl" side of the fence without realizing (because I didn't want to?) the very real damage I was doing. Thank God we can grow up and change.
Odette, this is excellent! Except it hurts to read it. In my school the bullied kid was male. He was mentally damaged, had no money, and to eat he'd stand on his head or do tricks and the other kids would laugh and throw pennies at him. Once he sat next to me on the bus and after that everyone teased me, Oooh...he's your BOYfriend. As you point out so well, the adults would see this happening and allow it! I don't get it. Kids? Yeah, they don't want to risk the daily hell of being bullied themselves, but adults should know better.
This is OS Hall of Fame writing. Honest, painful, gripping.
Very Painful and heart wrenching story. Unfortunately so true. But very well and beautifully written. I bet it was a hard one to write for you, but some stories like these are better to get out then to hold in.
I can so relate to what you are talking about here by time I was in high school I got to what the point where i had lots of friends but no one I would want to know well and keep around forever. Kind like you talked about closing off. By college I was a single mom so I just kept to myself and didn't make friends in college not like when you stay in the dorm and all. It doesn't change I had to see it all over again with my girls who are now 23 and 24. Parents, Teachers, School Broads do have a lot of role play in what goes on, I think more then some people want to believe. They should start teaching about bullies at an early age.
Thank you very much for sharing this.
What I tried to question, and answered poorly (Odettes tight construction and sequence flattened my sloppy construction and negligable editing)
-Is the seeming isolation of child hood
bullying from earlier influences, and
later consequenses. I also got a little
too rhapsodic for a response to an
article describing the reality of the personal pain of mean kids. Odette
must have rolled her eyes: 'I slave
over a tight essay, and Argonne
just wants to flirt and play!'

Culpa Culpa!

However as with serious
abusers there is a parent-
to child to parent cycle.

My suggestion was (unremarkably),
that unhappy parents make unhappy
children. My particular (poorly
expressed) observation was that
the pains of adolescent 'boot camp',
often drive the child toward a search
for a refuge: in books, music and
art. And that was My experience.
(which adds a bit more credibility
to my observations).

Further, (in discussion), and age, of
the individual, this can progress
into a continuing personal growth,
-because the individual discovers
the Process. None of this is new,
and it is greatly encouraged. To
say that all our social problems
are child problems grown big is
not wrong, but I see it going on
forever unless more thinkers stand
up and identify crap as just that.
So I end up saying nothing...

I should stick to outrageous satire?
--at least it calls crap what it is: Crap.
-which perhaps is step 1: Identify the
problem. Cheers.


,,
this can be the start,

..
-orpan sentence at the end is edit error
Thanks again guys for all these supportive comments. :)

Argonne--That's very astute, about the causes. Perhaps unhappy parents do indeed make unhappy children. Really astute. And thank you for the nice things.

JK--Being distant, yet friendly is a great defensive maneuver--although I have a feeling that by not committing myself fully emotionally, I missed out on wonderful, wonderful experiences and feelings.
This all resonates. I was picked on as a child and was lucky to have supportive people around me who helped me develop some powerful resilience. I was repeatedly told that the bad relationships with the bad boys/girls were temporary, that as I got older all the things about me that they found threatening would be appreciated, and that I would go on and grow up to be more successful, more interesting, more original, than any of them. In many ways, this turned out to be true; at the very least, I'm pretty sure that I turned out to be much happier than any of those kids did.

But it still breaks my heart to look at my college students and see all these sensitive, intelligent, original young people who are made miserable by other kids who are dumb as hammers and bile-nasty. Sometimes I get the chance to take those lovely kids aside and repeat the speech that one of the South Park guys made in "Bowling for Columbine": pretty much all the most interesting, unusual, impressive people in the world were tormented by "popular people" when they were young, and most of the "popular people" end up permanently selling used cars or in dead-end office jobs or in jail, dreaming about the "glory days" of high school.
Powerful writing, Odette. Powerful. The EP is well-deserved, but this should have had a cover spot. An EP is simply not enough.

Well, you have a spot on my own personal cover, girl. Sending you a PM.

Thumbed big time.
All mean people suck. Forgive yourself, you were a child, learning how to be an adult. (I do not believe that teenagers are young adults - they are children. College kids are young adults.)
This is really good writing. I enjoyed reading your story even though it made me sad.
wow, this is excellent and so moving. and boy, did it resonate with me for now and for back then. thank you for this outstanding piece. love love lvoe adn gratitude
I was the target of the mean girls throughout school and I hated them with a passion. Having said that, the ones that really killed me where the kids who knew that their behavior was bullshit, yet did nothing to intervene. They may not have actively participated but sitting by watching passively didn't make them any better.

As for my memory of being abused by the mean girls, I've forgotten none of it and remember all the names involved. I envy those that can block such unpleasant memories and leave them far behind.
I work in schools and, thankfully, some principals refer not only the bullied but the bully and the bystander for therapy. The trauma goes on, unfortunately. Thank you for this post. It's excellent, for many reasons. Well done. Rated. Is there a Hall of Fame? If not, there should be, for this post.
You really nailed it with this. I was a victim of mean girls though they really had nothing to make fun of so they just made shit up. At my 10 year class reunion most had chilled out but some still clung to snootiness. I saw the ringleader in the ladies room and said hello to her. She looked at me in the mirror, then looked away. I laughed at her pathetic nature, knowing she will be a crotchety, lonely old lady one day filled with regret.
Great post!
Yup. Happens to guys too. I reckon its universal. Humans have an amazing capacity to accomplish great things one moment and then pull the wings off a fly the next.