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Currently wishing I didn't have to do any grading. Before that, graduate student and new mom. Now an actual Dr. of Something or Other and the Kid is two and some months. Before that, a Southern girl in the West. Now a Southern girl in the South, dreaming of being in the West. Before that, I can't remember. Still waiting for the flying car.

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FEBRUARY 23, 2010 8:13PM

For Future Reference I've Summed It Up: Guide to OS Dustups

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It goes like this:

1. First, there is a A Post. 

2. Then, Someone Take Offense To The Post. This part starts off softly and with some civility. 

3. Then, Someone Joins That Person In Taking Offense To The Post.

4. Then, before long, Many Someones Are Taking Offense To The Post. Sometimes, this might be correctly referred to in later postings as 'A Gang' or 'A Clique' or Some Other Interesting Names That Mean 'Mob.'

5. Then, Those Someones Who Were Offended Become Offensive Themselves To Someone Else.

6. Then, Someone Take Offense To The Someones Who Took Offense To The Post. This part starts off softly and with some civility. And then ..

7. Then, There Are MANY ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!

These Arguments usually start out with "We must agree to disagree" and end with "Fuck you, Bitch! (or Bastard, as may be representative) I'm reporting you to ... Whatever Agency Appears Appropriate In The Heat Of The Moment." 

 Then ...

 8. Someone Says It Is Bothering Him or Her To See So Much Arguing When So Many Great Posts Go Unread And He or She Might Have To Leave. Usually, this is someone who is actually pretty nice and a good writer and so, damn, a bit of a loss, but after seeing this unfurl about 100,000,000,000 times, with great vigor and what appears to be enjoyment on the part of many, and everyone is reading that and not the good writing, it can be a bit much for some.

9. Someone Else Puts Up A Post About How People Who Are Leaving Are Stupid Weenies And Talks About the Internet Is the WILD WEST or some shit and how WE HAVE TO BE TOUGH AND How He or She Is Proud To Be A Mean Turd.

10.  A Bunch Of People Come On To The Flouncing Post and Congratulate That Person For Posting THE TRUTH!!! (CAPITAL LETTERS VITAL HERE.).

 11. Here is an interlude where someone who hasn't been on Open Salon for a bit walks in and looks around and says, "Who the hell brought in all that tequila? Don't they know how this works when that happens?" 

12. Tink posts something very funny.

13. Someone Leaves. 

14. Those Who Don't Either Continue to Enjoy Their "Superiority" or Try To Quell Their Embarrassment.

15. Someone Else Posts Some Great Writing. As he or she has been doing this whole time. While everyone else was diddling with his or her belly buttons. 

16. There is a lull. 

17. Someone puts up a post.

18. Someone takes offense to the post. This starts off softly and with some civility  ... 

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But, there was lint in there!

Yep, about sums it up.
@Kathy--I know! I'm beginning to think it's all a plot so that Tink can post something funny. Hey .....
19. OEsheepdog always seems to miss them.

Loved #12 btw.

Rated.
That's why I pull a hit and run when I disagree with someones post. That way they can respond, prove me totally wrong and nothing else happens.
Tink posted funny and I missed it! Damn off to look for Tink....
Bingo. It's the anatomy of e-hissy fits all over the 'net.

It reminds me of Trudeau's early Doonesbury strip where B.D. says "Beneath the tense exterior of a football huddle lurks the subtle dynamics of a nursery school recess." Except stronger language is used on the 'net. At least I hope so.

Rated.
I'm thinking there should be a #19 whereby I describe how various people, late to the dustup, post a bunch of related posts that no one ever reads. heh heh heh But then, I thought maybe I should be more supportive of myself.
that was too funny :D that is exactly how it goes...and goes...and goes
It is a bit of a circle, isn't it? The Circle of ... hmm ... you got me there.
LMFAOROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tink kicks ass! lol
Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel.
You missed one. The one where Tink says "why is it so quiet around here? will someone start a dustup or soemthing?" This usually falls between #16 and #17. And then someone always obliges. Always.
wasn't it vonnegut who said, "and so it goes"?

yeah, it was. and he was right. again.

right on, odette.
My lord. I think I've uncovered it all!!! It's Tink's fault!!! hee hee
Excellent. Truly excellent.
Like a circle on a roulette wheel, where it comes out, no one knows....
the circle of socialization? or is it just a reverse rubberband effect?

closer, closer, closer- *snap* ok, back the fuck off, that is just tmi and too close, i don't need your crazy in my face- *nanner, nanner, nanner*....hmm, I've got 5 min to kill, wonder what x is up to today....huh, you're so smart, and funny, and clever....look at how clever you are.....closer, closer, closer *snap*
This was perfect! Loved it! And I think we all just figured out who is behind all these dust ups (Tink)
Oddette, You Are My Hero! You had me laughing out loud with the Capital Letters; SUBLIME!!!
You´ve made my evening, thanks so much, girl!
Kisses,
Marcela
12 1/2. Many, many posts with OS in them.....
Sounds like progress from throwing people to the lions.
Yeah, well, you left out the part where SOME PEOPLE WHO SHALL GO UNNAMED take a stand and then are exposed as the hypocritical, pet-abusing disgusting wastes of spac--
You left off how that no matter how mean the post, there will be 20 otherwise nice people cheering the meanness. In fact, if something is controversial, you can be sure there will be a bunch of people cheering it on. Reflex.

Some of us just keep writing and supporting the best of this place, even though it seems to be dwindling. I could care less about snarky banter.
Thank you! I have been so confused. :)

I can handle the MANY ARGUMENTS... I am usually able to see both sides and keep my comments to myself. I am more of an OS voyeur than anything.

But what really upsets me are the mean turds in #9. The ones who jump into the argument, not because they give a shit about either side, but just to show how Smart they are and how they are so Immune to the Petty Bickering of Lesser Beings... and then they come back and comment again and again and again, insulting the Lesser Beings and stirring more Shit.

God, I hate those guys.

Annnnnywaaaaaays... Thanks again for letting me know how this "dust-up" thing is supposed to go.
Yup, this pretty much sums it up, and thank God for Tink; he always writes something funny.
Lea, that part depresses me the most. I kind of slipped it in up there amongst the part about supporting the post about flouncing. I really find it utterly ridiculous how much we like to kick someone when he or she is down around here.
oh and She Blogs! I completely forgot about the smartass who comes and posts the meta blog about how these arguments always go! Thanks for reminding me. heh heh Annnywayyy ...
As someone new to OS, thanks for clarifying all this for me. I thought Tink was a girl.
Oh, it's like 11th grade. Funny.
Very funny stuff, however, I think #9 should be that odetteroulette always writes a meta post about the dustup. :)
Hehehehe! As my vision isn't optimal at the moment, when I looked at your title from too far away I thought it was about an OS Dust-up Summit. Hey...I thought...maybe that's a good idea! But your summary is better...very very funny! xox
#11.....yeah it was me with the tequila......wanders off for ice and to find tink......
Yes, I'm glad to have this official text to consult. I am fore-warned and next time will know not to set foot in ... :0 cheers
fuck you bitch...lull.

lol.
I'll stay focused on step 15.
okay...let me get my notes, I don't want to go out of order....heh, heh
This is funny and true and middle school, Odette!
Rinse and repeat.
Very clever...but I never go past #2...I just slip quietly away...but maybe that's just a mime's way of dealing with it.
@ePiddy.....I am happy to see someone else ponying up (burro-ing up where I come from) with the tequila....

And, here's a question: How does one get a cliche?

(Yeah, it was a trick question.......TEQUILA!)
I think the last words I want to hear are "Another tequila shot?" I mean, it is a way to go, right?
where's frank with the booze?
hee hee ronnierayjenkins I keep wandering back to your comment and giggling.

I think I'm enjoying being the smartass who puts up the post after it's all gone down. Not superior but certainly more ... no ... I've got nowhere to go with that. heh
As a newbie, I'm glad you set the record straight. Now that I know this is how it goes and that there is a gang at the ready with torches and a noose waiting to attack, I'll do my best to stay out of the way. -r
And I will think of something very witty to say about the ironic post-dustup post, but someone, in this case Emma, will steal my thoughts before I can get them up and I will be forced to post a less-witty comment like this one.
To tell you the truth, Densie (and nice to meet you by the way) I suspect it's simply that old canard "Human Nature." That is, this description could be changed slightly and fit in almost anywhere.
Oh, Rousseau! Always with the stick up his ass!

Blah society this! Blah evils of community that!

Someone needed to get him stoned or something.

#21. Pseudo-intellectual number #2 jumps in with "witty" rejoinder. heh heh

Oh. And Cindy Ross. How could I forget that?!?
Rousseau's thoughts on the dehumanizing influences of society are counterbalanced by his contemporary Hobbes, who viewed society as a necessary restraining influence on the brutality of man in his natural state. Speaking only as an abused dog, I tend to side with Hobbes on this issue.

(#22 - people with two log-ons cruelly exploit their unfair advantage by rating twice and pretending to be learned while alter ego is caged and pouting.)
Snippy--you dog you! A dust up in Rousseau's time would have been Burke calling him out in some essay or another. With much longer words.

Here, Snippy. Have a biscuit.
Why do I feel this urge to suddenly write "antidisestablishmentarianism" and buy some dog biscuits? That is so weird.
I'm just worried I misspelled something like biscuit and am afraid to look it up.
Wait! It's true! I've often misspelled 'biscuit' in the past!

I do feel sorry for Snippy though. I mean, how many grammarians can be left in the world? Shouldn't we nurture them? Let them lead the way? Show them all the joy they should possess inside? Give them a sense of pride?
(rolls in peestained carpet with gleeful abandon)

I was waiting for her to get her log-ons confused.
Pretty much...so I'm finding out. Very funny. Rated.
Cindy Ross.

*not spoken normally, but sung in high, extended, wiggly opera voice, inexplicably*
#24. Freaky Troll posts a hilarious send-up of the whole thing that makes everyone remember why it's worth logging on, even still. (Nicely done, Odette!)
As Aretha sings R-E-S-P-E-C-T!
Don't feed the dog tequila......it is not only abusive, it is bad for the carpet and the drunks among us late-nighters don't want to share.....
O Dear - you missed the one about the PMing that goes on in the back room while the brawl continues out front.
Gabby--shit. You're right. It's just I never get these PMs. I'm not ::sob:: popular. I forgot about them.
Remember the day when the 'old' Cat (bastard) used to make tea every time there was a hint of tension? I miss him much.
I'm trying to figure out how you people share tea and tequila and slanty bolds and that kind of shit. If it actually works, I wish someone would send me over a Six Dollar Burger from Carl's Junior. Cindy dropped one on the floor in 2004 and I've been dying for another one ever since.
These dustups do tend to expose us - it's right hard to hide from being a pompous self-righteous arrogant Neanderthal (no offense to our ancestors intended!), a wormy little ooze-infected vermin-blooded arbiter of hatred, a gallant and heroic speaker of truth, wisdom, and compassion, or just a slightly dazed newcomer who has wondered in aimless and rushed out gasping for breath - when the dust settles we're still left with ourselves. - warts and halos and all! Wonderful post, excellent comments! ~r~
Now I'm really offended. Hmpf!
Jesus Kit, where were you when I had an open call for insults?

You fucking rocked the joint just now!
This mean turd has seen you be a mean turd.
The dustups used to get me all excited, not no more. Kinda sad. You described it beautifully however.
Remember two important things about using swear words to make your point:

1) They are trite and overused.

2) Readers' eyes are drawn to the words, rather than the message, and tend to discount everything else you have to say.
12a. Tink gets upset because he sees some article get like 300 comments, no one comes to his great article on turle doves during this entire conflict.

12b. Tink post something funny.

;) Tink actually should say he gets lost during most of these dustups and only finds out where the center of the explosion is after someone whispers to him about it, and he's like, oooooooh!! And wanders off.

It's all good...I think.

**wanders off**
oops, I mean, shhhh, it's all a plot so I can post...something....uh....funny!! Yeah!! Teeheehehee!! **wanders back out**
**wanders back in** Yeah, somebody discovered I'm not a girl!! WOOOO!!!! Now what I am, I hope someday to find out.

You guys are the best, no matter what Ed writes on the rest room stall walls about you, you're the best(plus, her bathroom poems? EEEEEEWWWWWW!!!!! 'Here I sit, broken hearted, paid a dime and only peed'??? ED!!!

**teeheehees as he wanders back out**
much tequila is essential
I take some offense to your suggestion that OS dust-ups advance the way you describe...
BBE--Hell yes! Who indicated I was somehow above the fray? Not me. I've totally gone through at least 1-7.

I will say that I've not participated in 8-10 not that there is anything wrong with 8. I also haven't seen the front side of 13 nor to my great sadness 15, at least not very often.

In no way am I revealing my great moral superiority. ha. please. I am just pointing out how it goes.

ghost--well, we will just have to agree to disagree. heh heh ;)
as usual, i'm late to the dustup, party, and ensuing postmortem, but i just want to say that writing about rousseau and compassion is a little odd considering that rousseau had 14 children with his mistress and dumped them all in foundling homes (which at the time were not such great places to be dumped)
After reading him, I can only agree that Rousseau was quite a butthead. What you have mentioned confirms it and triples it in quality.
You forgot the part where someone pops a bag of popcorn and reads the on-going drama with glee. Great post, Odette! lol
Brilliant breakdown. But there's nothing offensive about it which offends me.
Trying to be very civil here, but I think you started the last one, somehow or other, and are not trying to START ANOTHER ONE!!! My companion theory to your primary theory is that the cliques do this under one or another assumed OS identity to help weed out the ninnies and recycle topics that are guaranteed to get hits and enable anal writers to loosen up a tad and tell THE TRUTH about how they really feel. A-and, of course, to provide a safe zone where ordinarily tight-assed folks can let loose with a little scatalogical, blasphemous, prurient and startlingly inventive politically incorrect invective to clear the palate, essentially, a-and, of course, to set Tink up for another zinger.

Go, Tink!!! (r)
Clark, I promise this is the ONLY identity I have, besides the one I have in real life, with my parent-given name. The idea that someone sets up alter egos with which to argue is both funny and mind-boggling. Wait ... CINDY ROSS!! hee hee
Snark on! {clap, clap} Snark off! {clap, clap} Snark on, snark off! The snarker!
Is this another "dust up"? I hope so because I always miss the good ones~
I always liked the word kerfluffle here.
It seems to run in a bell curve, sometimes more like an angry ocean wave.
Glad I missed this one. I most have been out in the back yard digging or something.
Perfect. Now get back to posting the great writing.
#23 - repentant blogger writes self-flagellating mia culpa admitting to errors and promising a fresh start.

I have such ambivalent feelings about this post. Yes, as a very guilty party, I know I need to laugh about it for my own sanity. But is joking about the real pain involved always the best solution?
Well, I had been thinking lately that I would just write comments on this site. My posts have been largely ignored (oh, crap now some may look at them and criticize or trash me) and I have been thinking that I would just return to my former role as voyeur before I ever registered and wrote anything. Much of the time I do not know who the hell you people are talking about, as there are clearly insiders and people who know each other outside this forum. I guess I thought the point was to express yourself whether it was wise, funny, clever, heartfelt, painful whatever the writer needed to be.
Now, I have gone and written one of those comments that no one reads because they are too long and should have been a post and I wasn't going to do that........But clearly this smart ass needs to say stuff and so for now will just comment when unable to restrain her self expression
Redstocking--Yes. It's a gentle send-up with humor. But let not the humor take away the fact that really wonderful people have left, for a variety of reasons and these little kerfuffles aren't helping with that. In no way was I making fun of those people. If that impression was given, then I didn't express myself well. Peoples' feelings are at risk, and #9 is my least favorite in terms of how people deal with that situation. I laugh because I do not want to start yelling.

Liberal--LOL!! Yes. I'm very unrestrained. Bless your heart. It's completely true.
odette, I'm so glad you're here, bringing analysis and sanity to OS.
Owl--That's nice to hear, but you know perfectly well that I'm ridiculous. ;)
A very funny post. (said with great sincerity, so no one take offense) R
odetteroulette, thanks for your empathetic response. I was reluctant even to post my comment. I have often needed to take a break from OS for my own sanity, so I empathize with the people derided as flouncers.
Well done. Put it into a graphic and we can all post the flow chart over our computers for reference....
As usual, I'm #11, which is interesting because I check in several times a day! How do I still manage to miss these things?
I, on the other hand, have a sixth sense and always check in when these brouhahas erupt, even if I haven't checked in for a week.
And sometimes the post gets an E.P. and the mob finds it and the poster huddles in a corner of their livingroom all weekend wishing the editors would take it down....

hypothetically, of course.
"Ridiculous" is one of your most charming features, odette!
I have another one, but I'm posting on my own blog so as not to hijack yours... You may not agree with it and I wouldn't want to put you in a position to defend what I'm about to say. And I'm new and don't know you people, so what have I got to lose?
I'm kind of new but this was hilarious and TRUE. ha.
Well it is brilliant and exactly right and I am the one leaving this time but it's not just because of a dust up.
Very funny and also humbling.
I a merely another peg.
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Well, micalpeace, you will be sorely missed. But I completely respect your decision to do your thing. :) And I'm going to take you up on dropping by any new Internet digs. I hope you don't mind.
@Padriag--Hey, mister! I do too know what I'm talking about here! Stop that with the polysyllabic words or I might have to start throwing dictionaries over a cliff.
This is hilarious and not at all offensive. Dang. Where's the dustup?
I'm jonesing for a good fight and have company coming on Friday.

Can we fight on thursday?
I haven't been around here much recently, but who the hell brought in all the rum? Don't they know how this works when that happens?
Well damn... now it all makes sense ;-)
Great post, well done! WELL DONE!!! (and that is in CAPS).
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