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Salon.com
JANUARY 30, 2009 9:54PM

25 B/W Movies you should see with your teens

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My youngest daughter (then 16) just couldn't understand why I would watch black and white movies. "It's like the 21st century, Dad." Movies made in the 21st century have limited appeal to me.  I'm in the target demographic of 50 to death. I also think it's because the big blockbusters for all their techo gimmickry lack really good dialogue. I remember when they dragged me to see Titanic and Pearl Harbor. I told them I know how these movies ends. "Look if the Titanic docks in New York, this is a finish I have to see." My protests fell on deaf ears. Probably from the loud crap they listen to. I sound just like my Dad. EWWW.

One Saturday afternoon when instant messaging, talking on the phone with the TV on and listening to music simultaneously was BORING, I invited her to watch " The Man Who Came to Dinner" with Monty Woolley, Bette Davis, Ann Sheridan, Jimmy Durante and a whole host of character actors you recognize but don't know their names. Well, she loved it. If you haven't seen it, get it from Netflix or see it on TCM. I believe it's the only comedy Bette Davis ever made. I wish she had made more.

So she was hooked and we embarked on an adventure together, viewing nothing but movies from the silver screen. So here's my list. This is going to be fun or not. And if you are 20 or 30 something, and think I'm clueless, give it a shot with a significant other.

 I. The Man Who Came to Dinner. -- Monty Woolley et al

II. A Night at the Opera -- Marx Brothers (who knew Kitty Carlisle could sing?)

III. Dinner at Eight -- Jean Harlow (before the code) Drew Barrymore's  Great Grandparents

IV. The Philadelphia Story -- Cary Grant, Katherine Hepburn

V. The Petrified Forest -- Humprey Bogart and Leslie Howard

VI. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - Jean Arthur, Jimmy Stewart

VII. Casablanca -- Humphrey Bogart,Ingrid Bergman

VIII To Be or Not to Be -- Jack Benny, Carole Lombard

IX.   The Maltese Falcon - Humphrey Bogart, Sydney Greenstreet

X.  Arsenic and Old Lace - Cary Grant

XI. International House -- WC Fields, Burns and Allen

XII. Duck Soup - The Marx Brothers

XIII. Gay Nineties - Abbott and Costello (who's on first)

XIV. Miracle on 34th St - Natalie Wood Edmund Gwenn

XV Bringing up Baby - Cary Grant, Katherin Hepburn

XVI - To have and have not - Bogart/Bacall

XVII - One Two Three - James Cagney

XVIII - Laura - Clifton Webb,  GeneTierney

XIX - The Thin Man - Myrna Loy, William Powell

XX - Blackboard Jungle - Glenn Ford

XXI - Key Largo - Bogart/Bacall

XXII - It Happened One Night Clark Gable, Claudette Colbert

XXIII - Woman of the year - Tracy/Hepburn

XXIV - The Strange love of Martha Ivers - Barbara Stanwyck, Kirk Douglas

XXV. Some Like it Hot - Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon

 Enjoy.

 

 

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As kids, we used to call it "Arsenic and Old Ladies". And there were others like "How to Kill A Mockingbird". Also a good B&W.
All classics.VI. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - Jean Arthur, Jimmy Stewart

VII. Casablanca

Two of my favorites along with "Some Like It Hot". I loved Jack Lemmon.

(rated)
I love all of these, but I would sacrice Duck Soup for Grapes of Wrath, The Petrified Forest for Snake Pit, and something (I can't for the life of me figure it out) for I Want to Live.
Bill -- You are incorrigible.

Greg -- The magic thing about this experience is that my daughter got more interested in reading, particularly because she liked the dialogue that went with characters. Plus the relationship building that came out of it was great too.
Cat -- those are all great alternative titles. Comedies were my entre with her. The Marx brothers' irreverence was a hook for her to want to see more. Bill mentioned To Kill a Mockingbird. She watched that in school. Another good Peck movie is Gentleman's Agreement, but I had to keep the list to 25. I didn't have to but I wouldn't be able to stop.
I have no teens, but oh yeahhhhhhhh.......what an awesome list!

Rrrrrrated!
I watch I Want to Live about 4-5 times a year. It's just too good. Susan Hayward so deserved her oscar for it.
am i missing gone with the wind? or is it not black & white?
oh hey and what about its a mad mad mad mad world?
Jane both are in color. It was B/W only for us.
what a great list.

I think discovering black and white movies is sort of a rite of passage into "adulthood" for a lot of kids. I can remember when I first found The Maltese Falcon on some tv channel - probably WGN. It was love at first sight.

Oh, you can watch Some Like It Hot whenever you want, for free, at Hulu.com. It's legal.

I'd also recommend The Lady Eve for comedy. Oh, and His Girl Friday! - and then The Hudsucker Proxy. :)
I'm a sucker for Marx Brothers and Katherine Hepburn. I wish Katherine Hepburn had made a movie with Groucho. rated.
Paris you are a discerning woman. My daughter could never fathom that I didn't have color TV until I was junior in High School.
lc224 -- I would pay real money to see Hepburn and Groucho together
Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House
Sullivan's Travels
Teacher's Pet
Father of the Bride (original version)
The Best Years of Our Lives -- (and talk to the teens about this movie in the context of Iraq and Afghanistan)
It's A Wonderful Life
The Seven Samurai - (give 'em a few foreign movies!)
Yojimbo
Schindler's List (yeah, it's modern but shot in black and white)
The Hidden Fortress (one of the inspirations of Star Wars, from what I hear)
North by Northwest was one I saw with my grandmother, back before I was a teen, (but still getting attitude) and loved it.
Mishima -- I agree with your list but not familiar with the last two (will watch them). Three on your list are very intriguing.
(spoiler alert)
Teacher's Pet could be viewed as really sexist, but Gable shows some real humility at the end.
Best years of our lives doesn't really show its age at all. Good point about the Iraq and Afganistan.
Sullivan's Travels there's are lot of learning the character goes though.

I rate those thoughtful pics. Thanks very much.
There is something about black and white movies and some old television dramas that are priceless. I watch Perry Mason reruns a couple of times a week and really enjoy them. To Kill A Mockingbird , I agree is a must. How about Three Faces of Eve, was it? or Snakepit, a really great one. Great topic.
I'm embarrassed by how many of these movies I haven't seen. Especially since I have greatly enjoyed all the ones I have seen. Thanks for the list! I'm going to use it.
My Man Godfrey and It Happened One Night are two of my favorite B&W films. How lucky am I that they are coming back to the silver screen at the AFI center in MD?

These are awesome films, awesome. I watched a lot of these in High School, loved both The Philadelphia Story and High Society, also the Road series with Bing and Bob. I fell so hard for Cary Grant that I sobbed my eyes out when he died and kept his obituary by the side of my bed! Maybe it was a past life thing.

Your daughter is very lucky.
Yes, add To Kill a Mockingbird (the greatest movie about childhood ever made or at least tied with The Wizard of Oz), The Third Man (glorious B&W cinematography!!), Citizen Kane (when they're older), Psycho (ditto) and probably several dozen others I'll think of after I hit Post.
OEsheepdog writes: "Mishima -- I agree with your list but not familiar with the last two (will watch them)."

Surely you've seen Schindler's List. You must mean Yojimbo and The Hidden Fortress. If you haven't seen them you're in for a real treat. Both are among my favorites. Both star Toshiro Mifune and were directed by Kurosawa. Yojimbo was remade into A Fistful of Dollars with Clint Eastwood, and Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis.

Blandings Dream House and Father of the Bride are hilarious -- just about killed me.
Oh! oh oh oh! I forgot! oh!

"A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" (even if it ventures far from the novel). That young Joan Blondell...
hyblaen - N by NW is one of my top 5 movies. Something for everyone.

spud - When Nick at Nite first went on they had Route 66 which was filmed on location, and had great dialog. The old Perry Mason's were cool.

Jacey -- B/W movies are an acquired taste like Scotch or wine. Hope you enjoy these titles.
Midnight with Claudette Colbert and Don Ameche (who knew Don Ameche was once a handsome dude?)

Palm Beach Story ... also with Claudette Colbert

The Awful Truth with Irene Dunne and Cary Grant.

Uh, maybe that's for the list of 50.
Red-sea -Rose-The original My Man Godfrey with Powell was a better flick than the one with Niven IMHO. Sabrina, another good one. Thanks for the compliment about my daughter. There's another post about her and her sister, but I'll leave that for another time.
Great list and a few of mine:

I second The Grapes of Wrath with Henry Fonda

The 1939 version of The Women with Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford (definitely superior to last year's version)

Madame X with Lana Turner and while we're at it, Imitation of Life too.

Double Indemnity with Fred McMurray and Barbara Stanwyck

The Night of the Hunter with Robert Mitchum.....he was all kinds of crazy in that one.

A Place in the Sun with Monty Clift and Liz Taylor.

Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte with Olivia DeHavilland at her evil best and a pathetically fragile Bette Davis.

Mrs Miniver with Greer Garson

and lastly....for now.....Mildred Pierce with Joan Crawford......I still want to snatch Ann Blyth by the neck. lol
Silkstone- all good recommendations. thank you.

Mishima -- I meant the two Japanese movies you mentioned. Some others that are more cinematic:
Paths of Glory
Sweet Smell of Success
The Train
Naked City

Catamite - For a young Blondell and Hepburn, and Lucille Ball and Eve Arden STAGE DOOR.

Overoworked - I hadn't seen Midnight, have seen Palm Beach Story and Awful Truth.
Agreed, the William Powell Godfrey is tops. I just remembered Topper, another Cray Grant film. But now I'm writing my own list. Thanks for tipping me off to films I should see, I've never seen a Marx Bros. film ever, sadly.
OE, enjoyed your list, seen almost all of them, several times. Funny thing, I forced my 13 yr. old daughter to watch #25 (Some Like it Hot) the other night when she had asked me if MM was really all that. Well, let me tell you, there is no sound on the planet sweeter to hear than your daughter cracking up over a movie made nearly 60 years ago.
Ive seen 4 of those movies..
now I might be losing my mind.. its very possible.. but wasnt What about Baby Jane.. or maybe it was called What ever happened to baby Jane.. or maybe just Baby Jane.. anyway wasnt that in black and white?? I love that movie.. and one day hope to be that pyscotic and do in my sister like that LOL
BTW Betty Davis had some freaky eyes
Yep. I'd add "You Can't Take It With You" for extra nuttiness.
For black and white film, Citizen Kane was filmed in some special, expensive way. I can't explain what their process was, but it was basically double the standard. The quality of the film is amazing visually.
Have we missed "12 Angry Men"? Great gift to your daughter. Nice reminders to us all. Rated.
What? No "Citizen Kane"? For shame! Otherwise, a GREAT list! Rated.
Ah for the days when Hollywood hired famous playwrights to write screenplays.
Ah for the days when Hollywood hired famous playwrights to write screenplays.
Yes, To Kill a Mockingbird, It's a Wonderful Life, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, The Best Years of Our Lives, A Christmas Story by Truman Capote.

Rated.
We watched "Golddiggers of 1933" the other day - I think it was '33, there are several Golddiggers movies. The one with "We're in the Money." It's shockingly fresh and topical, given the economy.
Great list! I got seriously into "old movies" as a teen, and they were a little cultural education in themselves.

Second all of the ones mentioned in this thread, and add Dr. Strangelove and His Girl Friday.

CatB--So glad to see someone mention I Want to Live. The gas chamber scene is one of the most chilling things I've ever seen on film.
Corgi -- Re: Ann Blyth yeah great performance.

Token Tarheel -- I love your phraseology "I forced her". Hahaha Like "eat your vegtables", then they find that they like it. MM was good in Seven Year Itch...not sure for 13 year old, but a great movie.

Barbara Ann -- Baby Jane a great flick, thats on the TOP 50 list.

Mumble - That's a great flick too, rated.

Bill Beck & Sheldon -- My daughter calls Citizen Kane, "The Sled Movie" . You two could appreciate that. Talk about spoiler.

Cartouche -- It's on the top 50. Watch the camera shots throughout the movie next time. Wide angle shots at the beginning, then tighter and tighter shots as the tensions build.
I could fill volumes on this one. The sands of Iwo Jima, It's a Wonderful Life (Yeah, it was colorized, but still.) Citizen Kane. Any Hepburn/Tracey movie. ANY.

Do not get me started.
Voicegal -- You know of what you speak. Now Adam Sandler writes screenplays. Don't get me started.

FTM - they are a great.

Allie - Watch for a lot of those depression era flicks to take an encore, given the economy.

Geoff - From a purely gender perspective, I couldn't get her interested in some of the John Ford movies, even though we were living in his hometown at the time. They Were Expendable, 30 Seconds Over Toyko, Battleground, Boomtown. It doesn't take much to get you started.
Corgilover beat me to "Double Indemnity."
Great list, but no Orson Wells? I'll skip "Citizen Kane" (I never appreciated it as much as the critics), but you gotta add "Touch of Evil" (despite Charlton Heston's turn as a Mexican lawman) and "The Third Man". "To Kill a Mockingbird" is my favorite movie, so it has to be there. Oh, and how about some classic horror, like "Frankenstein" or "Dracula", or later psychological terror like "Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte"?
These are great movies, but I'd also add some more recent ones that illustrate how directors who had a choice of color went with black and white for the visual esthetic, for example, Woody Allen's "Manhattan", Martin Scorcese's "Raging Bull" and Joel and Ethan Coen's "The Man Who Wasn't There".

"Some Like It Hot" is of course one of the best movies ever made

And to Mishima's foreign films I'd add "Les Enfants du Paradis"
Ooh, ooh, I forgot to add "The Spy Who Came In From the Cold"!
VR - DI is good flick.

Procopious - Opening scene of Touch of Evil one of the best opening shots, ever.

Roy - I agree with on the newer B/W movies. I'd add The Last Picture Show, but I kept that off our list. I'd seen that movie at 16 and didn't want to get her any ideas.
Bill, what you're probably thinking of is that Citizen Kane pioneered the use of "deep focus" cinematography (Gregg Toland was the DP) -- this meant that everything from foreground to background in the frame is in clear sharp focus vs. the usual filmmaking where you focus on something in frame (usually in the foreground) and the rest is at least slightly out of focus. I don't think anyone had used deep focus until Kane, and it was more technically difficult by far.

This is but one of the many innovations that Welles played with in Kane (the only film on which he was ever given free rein), which were considered either startlingly new or just flashy (known about but not used in Hollywood) at the time. I took a friend to see Kane some years ago as he'd never seen it and they were showing it on a big screen and I told him before it started, you have to understand that most of this stuff would have looked shocking in 1941. But it's just impossible to see it with those eyes, as so much that Welles did is now not just old hat but standard. But there's a lot written about Kane if you ever want to know why it's considered so groundbreaking.

And as a side note to someone - Welles appears (famously and wonderfully) in the The Third Man but it was directed by Carol Reed, no slouch himself.
I tried this unsuccessfully with both my daughters. They refused."Why isn't there color there? They must have been stupid in the olden days."

Glad you had more success than I did. Great list. Great shout out to TCM. I watch it as much as I watch HBO.
Great list and more excellent suggestions, but....no DR. STRANGELOVE!! really? are you guys/gals kidding? Your precious bodily fluids must be running low...flouridation perhaps?
Silkstone -- I didn't know that about "the Sled Movie." Thanks for that insight into Welles.

jimmymac -- Remember the curse: "Someday you'll have kids and they'll grow up to be just like you." The curse works. Bwhahahahaha.

Oh_Henry: I obviously lack Purity of Essence.
I've seen 'em all. Most are pretty good. Some are lousy. Key Largo is good. I even like the song Key Largo sung by Berrie Higgins (Spelling). But of your list, I think Casablanca wins hands down. Oh, almost forgot. In The Man Who Came to Dinner, the guy who played a writer, Richard Travis, went to the same high school that I once attended. Only he was there about 400 years before me. He played on Broadway with Bette Davis and she took a liking to him. Eventually, he faded into oblivion, except that he became a multimillionaire real estate dealer and developer. Good post. Great movie memories. cy
You MUST leave Gentleman's Agreement on the list, if only beause they won't believe it. Also, Imitation of Life (my daughter loved it).
Favorite comment from my five year old? "Mommy, why was all the TV grey when you were a little girl?" Also, just introducing them to movie musicals (even though they are in color) is a must: Funny Girl, West Side Story, Singing in the Rain. It is our job to educate the masses, ie., our teenaged children. Rated!
cy - You sound like my daughters (400 years ago). I found out the role Jimmy Durante play on screen was actually play by Harpo Marx and the characters name was Harpo in the play. Harpo actually spoke lines in the play, thought I never could learn why he never made it to the film version.

Navel -- You're right about Patch of Blue and A Raisin in the Sun. I'd add Lillies of the Field and The Defiant Ones.

Lisa, I struggled with that list. Gentlemen's Agreement should on it. The first time I saw I was rooting for Celeste Holm to win Peck's love. She played a very 21st century woman character in 1947 and took no prisoners. She never got the man.

I kept the musicals out simply due to Technicolor.
This is a wonderful list! Others have added other worthy choices, too.

Some I like to add:
Harvey
All About Eve
Sunset Boulevard
It's a Gift - W C Fields, sadly, has apparently been forgotten, but this one is a gem.
The Women - the "real" one, not the plastic remake.
Camille - don't leave out Garbo.
SuznMaree,
I am glad someone agrees with me about the Women.....last year's was a joke.

I agree with everyone's pick for Susan Hayward's "I want to live" that was excellent. I also enjoyed "Back Street" co-starring the handsome, John Gavin that illustrated that being the other woman is no fun.
y'all aren't playing fair. : (

sheepdog said comedy. I'm taking my pixels and going... nowhere.

I'm glad someone remembered Harvey.

All great mentions, tho. His Girl Friday is in the public domain, so it's also at Hulu.

If you don't know about it, this site: movies found online has some of the classics.

I do have to say that, although Citizen Kane is GREAT - a feast for the eyes - my favorite Welles' movie isn't one he directed. I love The Third Man. Touch of Evil is also wonderfully cheesy.
Awesome suggestions one and all. My 2 cents:
The Killers (Burt Lancaster's first film and a film noir classic)
M a german film starring Peter Lorre as a predatory pedophile (1930)
Kind Hearts and Coronets a British comedy where Alec Guiness plays 12 different rolls
Dr Strangelove Peter Sellers in 3 amazing roles
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon John Ford at his B&W best
The Informant about a dumb soul who becomes an informant against the IRA in the 30's
anything with Lana Turner!
You just can't go wrong with Billy Wilder. A whole passel of his films have rightly been mentioned: Sunset Boulevard, Some Like it Hot, Double Indemnity, One, Two, Three. Here's another, the best courtroom drama ever, Witness for the Prosecution with Charles Laughton, Elsa Lancaster, Tyrone Power and Marlene Dietrich.
Great list! And I liked all the other suggestions too. However, I seem to remeber having seen North by Northwest (one of my 100 favorite movies) in color.
I would add Fritz Lang's movies to your list: from the original B&W Metropolis, to M (with Peter Lorre in the role of the BAAAD guy), and more Hitchcok's: Notorious, The 39 Steps; and from Lubitsch (BTW, To Be or Not To Be, my favorite comedy of all time!): his little-known drama called Broken Lullaby, and his better-known The Shop Around the Corner.
And if you also care to introduce you daughter to great B&W foreign movies, -I did that with my teenagers-, try the 1956 Soviet cult movie: The Cranes Are Flying, with Tatiana Samoilova and Alexei Batalov, or also the Soviet version of Anna Karenina (and then compare with also good but not as good version with Greta Garbo). Italian movies galore: Rossellini's Stromboli and Roma, Citta Aperta come to mind right away, but also of course La Dolce Vita.
And in the Indie department, I recommend Jim Jarmusch's Stranger Than Paradise, or Down By Law; also Axel Corti's Trilogy about World War 2, Welcome in Vienna.
And, the first part of Wim Wenders, Wings of Desire (the second part is in color and brilliant too, but we are talking B&W here).
Finally and because I am French: Renoir's La regle du jeu is a good one too.
sarah - I LOVE Jean Melville's "Bob Le Flambeur."

Also, the original "Diabolique." I don't even bother to watch the remake of a movie like that - why waste my money. (Same goes for The Women.)

Maybe someone can think of a decent remake but I can't - I think Hitchcock's The Man Who Knew Too Much was better than the Doris Day remake - even tho that's probably the best remake I can think of offhand.

Rene Clair's Le Million is also a great early slapstick comedy.
Nice choices Sarah! How about Bycicle Thief?
You've got me on a jag
Jules and Jim
anything by Renoir
the original Breathless
Kurosawa's Yojimbo, Kegamusha or Rashomen....
or anything by either Chaplin or Laurel & Hardy
Just quickly...... (and what I can remember off the top of my head):

From Here to Eternity (Burt Lancaster *and* Montgomery Clift)
Abbot and Costello
Pandora's Box (Louise Brooks)
The Sheik (Rudolph Valentino.... watch the blush rise *cackles*)
Gilda
Red River
The Day The Earth Stood Still
I'm No Angel (Mae West!!!)
Stalag 17
King Kong (the original, not the remake urgh)
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Laughton)
Buster Keaton
Waterloo Bridge

Can I come back as I remember them? lol