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APRIL 10, 2009 12:51PM

I turned down the CIA. The story of my interviews. Part I

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Many of you have read about my past experiences as a private detective. In the early 80s I worked in industrial security at a construction project in New Hampshire where they were building as nuclear power plant.

One Sunday, in February of 1983 , I was reading the classifieds in the Sunday Boston Globe and I spied an ad with the logo of the Central Intelligence Agency and the headline Security Officers. The ad said the agency was hiring and reply to box such and such, etc.

So I decided I would apply. On a whim. I had no expectations. So after work, I typed my resume on an IBM selectric III typewriter.

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For those of you are too young to remember these times, this typewriter was the state of the art for desktop publishing(tongue in cheek) and word processing. It took several hours of hunt and peck, along with one or two rolls of correction tape, to craft a cover letter and resume. I wish I had kept a copy of the letter, but who knew then that almost a quarter of a century later blogging would be invented.

I told a few of my colleagues at work that I applied with and was rewarded with a great deal laughter at my expense.  A snowball's survival in hell had a better chance than I did at getting an interview.

A few month pass without a word and one early evening in May I get a call from Jim Someone or other who identifies himself as a member of the CIA. If I was drinking a beverage I would have done a Danny Thomas spit take (aka Marlo Thomas's father for those under 45) when he uttered those words. If you don't know who Marlo Thomas is I give up.

He invited me for an interview. I said, "Sure where is your office?" He said, "I don't have an office." I'd like you to meet me outside the Nasuha Public Library. Nashua was about an hour and fifteen minute drive from where I lived. It's on the Massachusetts border about 40 minutes north of Boston.

We set a date and time. I take a day off from work. I tell no one about this at work, no one. Who would believe me? On the drive over, I have moment or two where I think I may have been set up by coworkers' for the ultimate practical joke. We did lots of practical jokes back then.  This was conceivable by some of the more supple minds I worked with.

As I got closer to Nashua, I had the terrible thought, I was going to be had. I got to the library and waited.

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It was a park bench like this one with the library in the background where Jim came up to me and identifed himself and showed me his credentials.

It was in one of those leather pass cases like you saw Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. flash on the old episodes of the FBI. I took a long look for about 30 seconds. It had his name and it said Department of Defense instead of CIA.

We sat down and talked for almost two hours. He had a note pad and took copious notes of our conversation. I don't remember most of the questions or answers, except two. He was a very skilled interviewer and put me at ease throughout the time we spoke.

The two questions I remember were:

1. Have you ever smoked marijuana? He followed up with, "if you have, it would not preclude you from being hired." I answered truthfully. I'm not revealing my answer at OS in case I get a future appointment to a high position in the Obama administration.

2. Why do you want to work for the CIA? I told him that while I never served in the military, this would be an opportunity to serve my country. I meant those words sincerely then, as I would now if asked again about government service.

He then asked to go write an essay about why I wanted the job and what I had to offer based on my experience and education. There was no rush, that I could take as long as I wanted to. He ripped his notes from the pad, and gave me the pad and a pencil and said go in the library and write it.

I emerged about an hour lated. He took it, and explained I would be hearing from them soon. He shook hands, thanked me for my time. I thanked him. I never saw him again.

It's now August. I get another telephone call from a different person from the CIA.

 End of part one.

 

 

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Ok, you've intrigued me. When Jim came up to you, did he ask your name or did he already know it was you?
No mystery for us to solve?
Stim -- I was the only klutz wearing a suit and tie sitting on a park bench on a very warm late May day. I think he knew it was me. He did ask, though.

M -- you just refuse to let me build any suspense in these posts, don't you?
I know Marlo and her father too, my husband used to live next door to them...oh the stories.

But of course, I have heard those, now I want to hear your CIA stories. Looking forward to part two!
Ha! I thought Marlo was a guy! I'm of the instant gratification generation, can't help it.
M -- Marlo aka Mrs. Phil Donahue. Phil Donahue was the original Oprah. Somebody else, please help me out, here.
The CIA... New Hampshire ... --rated--. My ex-mother-in-law, protested at that power plant. Thanks for the invocation of memory!
Danny Thomas--the guy in the old commercials for St. Jude Children's Hospital. Which he founded.
If this is a shaggy-dog story , I may have to ... but wait, this IS a shaggy dog story.

Here's a clue or two about Phil Donahue -- Looks like Newt Gingrich, thinks like Dennis Kucinich -- let that combo sink in for a minute, and then go look in a mirror and watch your head do a Linda Blair -- uh, the little girl in the Exorcist whose head -- aw, the hell with it! I'm having a Hey, Nineteen moment.
This is toooo strange to be anything but true. Meeting on a park bench? Reminds me of the JFK movie. Well of course you've set it up perfectly for part deux....always leave them wanting more.
(congrats on EP!)
Tom -- This is a true story, but I get you're drift. That's the best description of Phil Donhaue I've ever read.
More! More! Can't wait for part 2. Will the Department of Defense (as opposed to badge saying CIA) be addressed? Just curious :-)
Fab, I was going to answer your question now, but there's a point later on in the interview process where I think I'll come back to it.
I don't know how others write, but I have't written the rest of this story yet. This just seemed to be a logical place for me to stop. After you've read it all, I'd like some feedback on that for you or anyone else who reads this.
No fair! This is just the teaser! When do you get to the hot female Russian agent, Comrade Likuallova? (I've trademarked that, by the way... in case you're reading, Mike Myers/Austin Powers.)
Marlo Thomas created the vinyl album and book, "Free to Be You and Me," which might still be available, now on CD.

Can't wait for the next installments. Is it a parking garage next time?
I wrote my first 6 screenplays on an IBM Selectric. Loved that thing--until of course I was released from typewriter prison by my laptop and MS Word. I started writing seriously on my word processor in 1989 and have not looked back since! Thank God for spell check, delete, save, etc etc etc. I can now write a full length novel in a year. Before it took me YEARS.
OH BTW great article! I rated it. Looking forward to Part 2. In an alternative reality I would like to be a P.D. or a spy. :)
Dammit! I want the rest of the story. Now.
OEsheepdog, I had a gut feeling you were the perfect person to handle surveillance of the Salon Media Group offices on West 37th Street.
Most CIA recruiters had offices in Federal Buildings that were unmarked with no office numbers. All major cities with big university/college populations nearby had recruitment offices. This guy was either from out of town or didn't want you to know where his office was. I wonder why? Very scary people...one never knows when they are being truthful. Keep it going...
Rated & Cheers!
Trig -- I missed you earlier comment. I must've been distracted by Hannah whatshername.

MTN -- No need to worry about tradmark infringment.

VG -- Marlo was That Girl!

Poet -- Remember white out? and Korrect-type and the rubber eraser wheels with the green nylon brushes?

GregorMendel -- Good things come to those who wait.

Designator -- I was walking up 37th St about an hour ago and wondered should I pop in? Nah

Bubba -- Are you gonna tell the story or you gonna let me?
Man, I can't wait to see how happens next!!

Congrats on the EP for this. It's well deserved!!
The son-in-law of a brother-in-law works for the CIA. You should see their faces when asked just for yuks " Oh wow, that's interesting, what does he do?"
Now I have it figured he probably interviews people on park benches and nobody wants to fess up.
cute.
but you seem to nice for the job.
Oh! More, please! Please tell me you had to use "The red dawn flowers at sunset" or some other codes.
Karin -- If I'm not in custody and I write part II, I think I'm ok. This was a long time ago. I wouldn't write this if it happened last week.

Luis G -- Thank the OS editors for the placement, not me. I never know where my stuff ends up when I first write it. Thanks for you kind comments

Ablonde -- Exactly. Who could I tell? If I did tell, who would believe me.

AKA -- I laughed out loud for a good two minutes at your comments. Thanks.

gw -- well gosh

Zuma -- now you know how I feel when I read your posts.
Oooo. Can't wait for part two.
I'll have to write my husband's stories of CIA interviews. That's right he had two events. Once when he was a PCV in Costa Rica. The second when he worked for industry in Seattle. Needless to say, he declined, both times.
omg this is so funny! I can't wait for part II in whatever coded language you may need to use so you're not outed ;)
I don't need to be told who Danny Thomas is - I once served the man a piece of quiche!

Great cliffhanger curiosity-provoking story - can't wait to read the rest.
I can't wait to hear the next part.
I had a friend whose father worked for the CIA once. He could literally not tell them where he was going or exactly when he would be back. Weird! I'll be interested to hear the follow-up.
Well, you certainly know how to build suspense...and leave us with a cliffhanger!

I'm the worse typist in the world, but I loved the sound of Selectric typewriters.
And you made Cover, too!!

Man, that's so cool!!!
Good stuff. Rated because well, I answered the same questions for the FBI, almost the same,except the one, why do you want to work for one.

They asked me who my idols were, I told them my dad. And Martin Luther King.

No, I didn't get the job.

:)
This sounds like an old KGB scam to lure unsuspecting Americans into spying for the. The CIA would have interviewed you in one of there regional offices.

Secretly Rated
I love your stories OE. And (almost) more, I love that you reference people that I know. Can't wait to read the next installment. You are very good at these things. Rated.
Danny Thomas - can't believe nobody has mentioned "Make Room for Daddy".
You completely had me until "end of part one". ( just kidding - never know if anyone gets me sense of humor sometime, perhaps that's why my family says that i don't have one). Seriously - good story, will be here for Part two.
The truth is out. You're a covert spy sent to OS to out all the leftist, commie, pinko, anti-american scumbags.

Or maybe not.
I had a friend whose father worked for the CIA once. He could literally not tell them where he was going or exactly when he would be back.

You know, a certain amount of secrecy there can be optional. The exhole chose to be covert, the job didn't require it. He was so overtly secretive, though, people in my family just assumed he worked for the CIA.

I always wonder what their psych tests actually look for.

And, oh yeah, the best invention in the history of the world: UNDO. The selectric didn't have that.
Somyr -- Me too.

Denese -- Your husband's story sounds more intriguing than mine.

Chesney -- Look for the hole in the big oak tree in Central park by the 7th St Traverse.

Kathy -- Or a big anti-climax.

Silk -- That sounds like a cool story in itself.

Odette -- When good writers ask me for more, that's a wonderful compliment.

reinvented -- Who wouldn't wnat a job like that.

Suzn -- Kids today don't have the appreciation of having to change ribbons, etc. The clunk, clunk, clunk sound of a selectric was memorable.

Luis G -- Thanks.

Tink -- Hahaha, you're too honest. It must've been your law degree and CPA that made them want you.

Trudge -- Falcon and Snowman? Not!

Cartouche -- Thanks very much.

Teresa M -- I lost a lot of people at the end of part one. Yeah, I hear you about Make Room for Daddy.

Catnlion -- Maybe or maybe not.

Cred -- Haha "Undo" you're right about that.
When I got the call, they said they were from "The company" Clueless moi asks, "What company?" I had to take a day long test with a bunch of other spook wanna-bes (I wasn't a spook wanna-be, but that's a whole 'nother story). It was a fun test. A lot more fun that the GMATs or SATs. At my interview, we mutually agreed I didn't want to be a spy and I was assured my file would be destroyed.

So, I happily told the Peace Corps (the group I really wanted to join) that I'd never had any association whatsoever with the CIA. Either the Peace Corps never checked or my file was destroyed.
That is so weird. This was a great post. A relative of mine interviewed for a low-level guard-type job with them. They asked him the pot question. He had to take a lie detector test. He said the problem was, he figured if he said, "yes," they would want details on whom he had smoked up with.