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AUGUST 17, 2009 11:56PM

Why CPAP is almost like CRAP or Back in the Sleep Lab

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For those need some reading material to help them fall asleep read this post and then the one below. Guaranteed ZZZZZZs

http://www.opensalon.com/blog/oesheepdog/2009/06/23/whats_keeping_me_up_at_night_insomnia_a_sleep_study_tale

Well OS friends, I spent last night back at the old sleep lab trying out a CPAP mask. CPAP stands for Continuous Positive Airway Pressure. Well let me tell you that after it was all over I felt like crap.

Not only do the zanies at the sleep lap hook you up to about 20 different leads, they also strap on (hey keep it clean out there) the CPAP mask, which is hooked up to this device which sends humid air into you nose.

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Drawing Courtesy of WebMD

NOTE: IT IS A LOT LESS COMFORTABLE THAN THIS DRAWING

Now we tried a couple of different masks, and I did not choose the one in the illustration above. I chose one that I thought was the least confining. It looked something like this:

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Courtesy of CPAPsupplyusa.com 

The top photo with the headgear  (except I also had a chin strap) is what I wore from 9:30 last night until shortly after five this morning. I wish I could describe the sensation. It was like having two straws stuck in your nostrils. You inhale moist air and it is awkward to breath. If you've inhaled while under water and felt the pressure of the water going down your airway, this is closest I can describe the feeling except it's air being forced not water. As someone who has breathed through his mouth for much of his life due to a deviated septum and high palate, this was difficult.

It took a long time upwards of an hour to finally fall asleep. Just try and find a comfortable position. You can't. This would be a kinder alternative to waterboarding. A couple of nights of this and I would confess to almost anything.

Leaving the lab this morning I couldn't reconcile that I would have to wear this apparel, apparatus, whatever, every night for the rest of my life. There had to be an alternative. And thankfully there was.

I went to a Ear Nose and Throat specialist and had a consult on a surgical procedure that would remove some the excess tissue in my uvula that was closing my airway at night and whose vibration causes snoring. The specialist felt I was a good surgical candidate (which meant I was: a) breathing, and b) had insurance).

Chance of infection low. Little bleeding since I had parted with my tonsils over 50 years ago. He did say I would be in severe pain for about 4-7 days. To which I said, "I'll take the pain if I can get a decent night's sleep."

So I will go under the knife in the near future to allieviate the sleepless nights and the snoring. It beats the alternative of CPAP every night or my wife threatening to shoot off my uvula, both of which are crappy options.

 

 

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oh sweetie - i guess sometimes breathe right strips just aren't enough ;)
Oh, you poor baby! My sister sleeps with one of these machines.... it ain't easy!
The sleep lab is lousy with wires. No way to get comfortable. I've been using a mask covering my nose for around 5 years. There's no chance I'd use the straws up the nose. Good luck with the surgery.
Andy
Those things are plain scary. I'm wishing you minimal pain and pleasant sleep.
This the 21st Century right? They can get a man to the moon but....

Rated.
My poor Mama. She went through this at age age 78 and she was majorly claustrophobic. Mom was a insomniac for over 40 years, less than 4 hours sleep per night...still, the confinement of the CPAP was worse for her than any nightmare, so we did not insist.
I'm so pleased to know you are young and healthy enough for a surgical solution. The pain will be a short-term investment in the "rest" of your life.
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That surgery sounds way preferable to the sleeping/oxygen mask thing. Honestly...just read your post about the first time you were at the sleep clinic...sounds really awful. One of my sons had that surgery you are thinking of getting and he got really good results. Best of luck!
Yikes! I can't imagine actually being able to sleep with that contraption.
I spent a night in a sleep lab and I just couldn't believe how non-sensical it was. I've always been a night owl, and they had me come in at 10PM when I was brightest-eyed and bushiest-tailed. They pasted sensors all over my head, and expected me to sleep on my back when I usually sleep on my stomach with about six pillows. I think I managed to drift off to sleep for two minutes, each minute hours apart. When they kicked me out at 7AM, I was exhausted, I could hardly stay on my feet in the washroom trying to pry the pasted sensors off my head. Somehow from that they claimed to have determined that I needed a CPAP and I never got it - that was ten years ago. They charged my insurance beaucoup bucks for that ridiculousness. And this was at Northwestern in Chicago!
Ahhhh!! Well here's hoping for restful sleep in the near future!! ~:)
Okay you need to follow up on this: my father had this procedure done. Severe pain! Didn't do a damn thing for his snoring. Don't go thru this if it's not going to do anything.
They'd rather sell everybody a nightly device than onetime circumcise the uvula. The benefits of either, though, from what some of the experienced have told me are VERY vivid dreams. Like virtual reality vivid. Keep us posted!
Dear Sheepdog, my father had to wear one of the full-face CPAP masks at the end of his life because of pulmonary disease so you have my full sympathy! A friend wears this all night each night and having to sleep on his back is something he finds irritating still, though his sleep apnoea was apparently life-threatening. I'll be watching out for your post-op post with interest but meanwhile I wish you and your patient wife sweet dreams!
I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams wearing one of those to try to sleep. In fact, it could probably make me have some wild dreams.
4-7 days of pain seems like a small price to pay in comparison. And just think of the painkillers you can probably get out of the doctor. It might not be such a bad week after all.
My husband was prescribed one of those CPAPs. It was so noisy that it kept me more awake than his snoring, which I am a lot more peaceful about after 19 years of sleeping with this night honker.

He gave it back to them. It wasn't comfortable, it drove me nuts and kept me from sleeping and now we are back to me waking him up gently once in a while so that he will change positions. That usually keeps him quiet enough that I can sleep. He has never seemed like snoring actually bothers him or keeps him awake.

It was me suffering and the CPAP did nothing for me. I appreciated that my husband went through all of that so that I could sleep better. Now I just comfort myself with that memory right before I nudge him...

I hope the surgery doesn't hurt too much or too long.
Uh Oh. My husband has this SAME thing and we thought it was only from members of his clan from Gladnos, Russia. I heard the surgery was really difficult and not very successful. Does your insurance cover a second opinion?

My husband sleeps with a CPAP machine. It sounds like I'm sleeping with Darth Vader, which sounds sexy, but it's not.

Hopefully he'll comment.

denese
So glad you have found a way around the masks. Here's to sleeping well, something many of us take for granted but is so precious.
I use the CPAP, and have asked about the surgical option. I'm told, by several doctors, that as long as I can tolerate the CPAP, I should stay with it. It took awhile, but now I don't even notice the CPAP. Only hassle is travelling with it. Best of luck and if you remember, please PM me about the surgical results. I'm still interested in that option.
Yeesh. I don't see how anyone can sleep at all when they're strapped in and covered with contraptions. My sympathies!
I have some friends who use CPAP and have been very pleased with the results - sleeping well after years of sleeping poorly. Others tried it and hated it. I hope that the surgery helps. This is a crappy problem to have.
Bless your heart! Hope the surgery goes well, it has to beat wearing that contraption!
The word "uvula" connotes almost as frightening an image as some of those masks. Don't lose sleep over your decision to get in there asap. Your wife will thank you.
OESD. I went for CPAP. Surgery scares the crap out of me. They didn't show you the one that rests under (not in) your nose and the tube goes to the side ? I got that model. Mrs. Wanderer and I both sleep much better. I am with you if you can't get a goodnight's sleep everything else falls apart.
First thanks for all the comments and encouragement. I thought the post might be a snoozer, but some readers asked for an update so I felt an obligation.

BahHMM -- Breath right strips are ineffective.

Lois -- This was like being hooked up to a ventilator in ICU. Yecch!

Stim -- I was prepared for the wires and that wasn't the challenge. It was attempting to get comfortable wearing the mask. There was no way position my my head and neck, and breathing was difficult/

Chuck -- This might be fun if I were into BDSM and restraints. Not for me.

John -- I'm lucky I have a mild form of sleep apnea. There's no surgical option for those with more severe cases.

MS -- It's the lack of sleep that makes me irritable during the day, and I lack energy to get the exercise I need to stay healthy. Thanks for the support.

Mary T -- Thanks the kind words and info about your son. I'm hoping the surgery will work.

iamsurly -- Let's just say I would be VERY surly if I had to resort to this every night.

Tia -- Thanks your are so kind

L&P -- Here's hoping this can improve the apnea.

Miss Rogers -- The sleep center needed 120 minutes of sleep to get valid results. Sounds like this experience didn't work out for you. I hope you're still not sleep deprived.

Tink -- If this does work I may have to get a job like yours.

Deborah -- Based on my apnea score, this could be effective. The doc went out of his way to explain IT HURTS LIKE HELL and there's no guarantee. Thanks for the words of caution.

Scoub -- Interesting. Maybe the vivid dreams could help my writing.
Anything could!

psychomama -- My isn't life threatening, but my quality of life sucks as a result.

LifeisGood -- For some reason I was expecting this mask to provide more relief.

Susanne -- He sounds like an cool guy doing that for you.

Denese -- The procedure itself isn't difficult. Just the recovery that's painful.

Janie -- I don't think you need any excuses to poke the Scotsman...seriously this is about productivity at work and quality of life.

Lea -- Thanks for the support

Roger -- That stat that was most helpful for me was that the surgery would reduce the apnea score by 15-20 points. My apnea score was 18, so it's logical to try this. The fact I had my tonsils out previously also was a favorable factor.

Eva T. -- Thanks
bike -- the lack of sleep really does suck.

fab -- thanks for the support

O'Really -- uluva is almost anagram of vulva which would really be terrifying.

The Wanderer -- I tried that one one and it was more confining than the tubes.
I actually go in tonight for my CPAP titration - had the first study this time last week, and wasn't surprised they said I had apnea. I have members of the family on both sides with it - and so even though I'm a 30 year old female (the lowest risk group!) I have apnea.

I am lucky, though, that I'm a nose breather and always have been. My dad uses a mask similar to the one I think I'm getting, and likes it. I just hope I don't need massive headgear!

Good luck with the surgery. I've heard it's like a 40% shot at fixing the problem, and with my family history I'm not a candidate - here's hoping you're one of the 40% that it fixes!
Denese's Russian husband here. Sleep apnea runs in the family. My cousin had it bad and was going to go under the knife to shave s bit of soft palate (I am not sure about uvula undulations as a cause). Anyway he decided against it, lost 40 lbs and the apnea went away. I saw a doc and he was anxious to hack at my soft palate. I did the research and decided the success rate to pain ratio was too low for me to go under the knife. I did the sleep test thing and slept well (an ambien didn't hurt). In the middle of the night, the technician put a CPAP mask on me and observed my marked improvement for the rest of the test. No snoring or apnea. So, I got a machine with the full nose mask. I do look a bit silly with what looks (to me) like a vagina on my face. I think I also look like Hannibal Lector. In any event, I sleep on my back, and if I am careful not to get tangled, either side is possible as well. My droopy flapper (soft palate) stays put and I breath with no issues. I swapped out my first machine for a different make/model and have done much better. I schlepped the unit on a recent vacation (it is as big as a large camera case) but the dry desert climate seemed to dessicate my air passages holding my flapper firmly in place. So I didn't use it. Hope this helps.
Some people tolerate CPAP. Others don't. Everyone hates sleep labs. They are created with discomfort in mind. (LOL at your "surgical candidacy.")
Cassiopeia -- I have score of 18 so I'm considered a good candidate for this.

lsuwoodsman -- Sorry I'm late to respond. I am have been a mouth breather all my life due to a high palate and deviated septum. Using the machine I could not get comfortable breathing and spend most of the night trying to fall asleep. I woke up feeling worse than I normal due and found the experience to be unpleasant and unsuccessful.

Sleeping on my back is extremely difficult. I may regret going under the knife, but I don't think I could get used to the machine and unlearn 50+ years of mouth breathing. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Steve -- I always put doctor humor in because most need to be humbled.
I'm very sorry you had such a bad experience at your sleep study. I'm even more sorry that the lack of education you received at the sleep lab you went to leads you to write this blog entry which may discourage others from getting the treatment they need.

I am a registered sleep technologist. If you had come to my lab, you would have found out that the night at the sleep lab will probably NOT be the best night sleep, even if you are successfully titrated on CPAP. You may only get one hour of sleep without apnea events, snoring, or arousals. This doesn't mean that CPAP didn't work for you. It means it may have taken all night to get you to the pressure you needed. At the lower pressures you may sleep WORSE than usual as the arousals usually caused by the apnea events are longer due to not being used to the mask. Your pressure can not be raised faster because it can actually cause a non-obstructive apnea called a central apnea.

The number one reason for non-compliance in CPAP patients is mask discomfort. There are literally hundreds of different masks to try although most labs have fewer than that available for sleep studies. There is no reason why a patient should have to live with an uncomfortable mask, but the patient must be diligent in finding one that fits his face and is comfortable.

The humidity in the CPAP machine is completely adjustable. In fact, you can have no humidity whatsoever if you wish! No need to feel like the air is too warm or moist. If anyone goes for a sleep study and finds something uncomfortable please inform the tech! That's what they are there for.

We do everything we can to make the sleep lab as comfortable for the patient as possible, but the patient must tell us BEFORE their scheduled study if they have an unusual sleep time or any special preferences. Every sleep lab I know is willing to do shift workers during the day or accomodate a patient with early or late bedtimes. We ask patients to sleep on their backs because that is when patients have the worst apneas, and that is what we want to see. Most people flip onto their backs at some point during the night unless there is an issue with back or leg pain, and again, if the techs know about it the patient will be accomodated. A patient with CPAP at home does not have to sleep on his back.

CPAP is like anything else that we try in life. Some of us will be good at it right away, and some of us need to practice. If CPAP is prescribed to you it is because you have sleep apnea. You are depriving your body of oxygen over and over during the night. You are having multiple arousals that may be keeping you from entering deep or REM sleep. If you don't at least try CPAP, you are doing your body a disservice. CPAP is NOT so your partner sleeps better.

The surgery you describe has a low incidence of actually curing sleep apnea. Usually the obstruction in your airway is happening farther down than your soft palate. So even after surgery you still may need CPAP anyway. It does sometimes make the CPAP work better at a lower pressure, sometimes it just doesn't make any difference at all.

I sincerely hope that all the complaints written above were voiced to the sleep labs performing the studies, but usually they are not. We are not mind readers folks. If you don't tell us what is bothering you, we have no idea of knowing! Every lab I know and most of the techs try to make this test as comfortable as possible, but we are also trying to gather as much information as we can so we can help you make the best decisions about your healthcare. To imply that we are out to torture the patients with unnecessary rules and so many wires and every other complaint is really an insult. Believe it or not, we are trying to help you.
I also wanted to add that I have successfully treated patients with deviated septum with CPAP. There are multiple masks that fit over the nose and mouth allowing the mouth to be opened without breaking the circuit of air pressure in the airway. Your "bad" experience with CPAP could have easily been a "great" experience with proper education and a well fitted mask.
Good luck for your sleep. My friend was not really comfortable wearing it. But then she got used of it.cpap masks