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FEBRUARY 11, 2010 1:52PM

Married to a Sociopath: Revenge is served on the next victim

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I married way too young the first time. I was emotionally immature and I thought I was in love. She chased after me. She was physically attractive, and she told me how much I meant to her. My low self esteem got pumped right up. She wouldn't stop calling me. I was the most important person in her world, next to her son. She pursued me with reckless abandon.

The chase went on for several months. I was flattered, and then I was seduced. She was an incredible lover. It was the best sex I ever had.  She knew all twists and turns and all the permutations.

It was bliss, it was heaven. Then we were married. And then the worm turned.

All of a sudden things I did never measured up for her. The belittling began. This esclated over time. I dug in and was determined to make this work. The was a coolness in how she should would deal with me and how warm and loving she was with everyone else. It mushroomed into sheer hate and disdain for me. After our second year of marriage, we started working off shifts and she started coming home later and later. Then not at all.

I remember I was stopped in the supermarket by a woman, who told me she was sleeping with her husband. I thought the woman was a nutcase. My wife was a devoted lover to me. With our sex life being astoundingly good, I couldn't possible think there was anything wrong. As Bugs Bunny opined, "what a Maroon!"

The staying out all night was pretty scary. Was she in accident? Did something terrible happen to her? It never occurred to me, but should have occurred to me, that she was with another man. I should have been worrying about me instead of worrying about her.

Finally, it all broke open one afternoon when I came home from work early. Sitting on my couch drinking a beer was this grungy guy. She introduced him as Danny, her high school boyfriend. They were going to get back together. Our marriage was over. Please move your things out. She didn't say "please" actually, that's poetic license.

I was crushed. Crushed. You could have slid me out under the door without opening it. My world had come crashing down around me. I was so stunned I had no idea what to do. What had I done to mess this up?

Me like it's my fault! I got a call from my wife's sister a few days later, asking if she could be of any help. She said she and her family had seen this coming from almost the moment my wife had first met me. She said, "We're all amazed that you were able to make it work for as long as you did. Five years. She always has another guy lined up waiting in the wings before she calls it quits. There's something wrong with her. If I told you before, she would have denied it, and she would have said I was crazy."

How could I be so blind? Why didn't I see this coming? When you are in love with someone you always look beyond the flaws and only see the good in them. Plus I wasn't sufficiently mature enough to understand the warning signs and the manipulation.

I went for a drive through the White Mountains of New Hampshire to try and understand what was happening to me. At first, I was angry at the dirtbag Danny for coming between us. Then I realized he was just a pawn in this game. Like I had been.

She would follow her usual pattern and use him as a temporary replacement, until she found her next victim. I felt sorry for Danny, for about a minute. Then I savored the moments that followed knowing that he would be taking the fall and his world would come crashing down like mine did. I could warn him and tell him what would occur, but he would have filed the advice in the trash can as the words of scorned soon to be ex-husband.

So I said nothing. Know that his day would come. And it did, just six months later. Twenty six years  and seven husbands later, she is still sticking with her usual pattern.

Revenge is always served upon her next victim. Never on her.

 

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oh I don't about that. Someday, she will run into someone more manipulative than she is, and watch out then.
Oh, and at least there are not kids she took from you forever, it could be worse.
Don, there's one child, a daughter alm,ost 31, who she completely turned against me.
Janie -- (Sigh) Yep!
i'll never ever understand people like that, and i'm sorry you had to live through it. my old bad memories surface now and then, and i just shake my head -- at him and the then-me. good thing it's long ago and getting dimmer.
not a great situation to be in. i'm glad you're out of it now.

she might learn about the damage she has caused. i never think so, either. just as you stated.
How painful, to be hooked up with someone incapable fostering a long term relationship.
In retrospect, she did you a favor by walking out on you after 5 years. Some people invest substantially greater portions of their lives into loveless relationships.

BTW – I trekked through the White Mountains some 25 years ago. It’s one of the most beautiful places in the country.
goodgod. 7 marriages? This lady is going for the Liz Taylor Award, isn't she? I just read that she turned your daugther against you, and that is just horrible...love to you...xox
"You could have slid me out under the door without opening it." Great line!

Seven more husbands? Oh, my god. You were lucky, getting out of that one. I have a feeling she's going to end up very lonely, though.
Sheepie, I'm so sorry for you, and for your daughter growing up in what must have been a highly dysfunctional environment with a mother like that.

I hope you've had your revenge by having a productive and happy life without her.
Candace -- This was cathartic writing about it. thanks for your kind words.

Steph -- The whole world is crazy...she's the only sane one. She'll gladly tell you this if you ask.

Spin -- Yes I still had my youth and beauty when it ended, ha ha. White Mtns are terrific.

Robin -- thanks so much. My Daughter, now that's a whole 'nother post that I'm not ready to write.

AHP -- She'll always have the next victim waiting in the wings.

Froggy - Life got better immediately after I realized it wasn't me, it was her!
It seems like wisdom is always won the hard way . . .
I'm so sorry this happened to you. And also that you are not close with your daughter. Sociopaths seem to be everywhere!

And men, listen up! When somebody tells you your wife is sleeping with their husband - believe them.
Good grief - seven marriages?! The shock of finding out the spouse is cheating when you didn't have a clue is just the worst thing ever...Best wishes for getting closer to your daughter as she matures and figures things out a bit better...
I'm really sorry sheep dog. It's a tough break. She sounds like big trouble but when you're young you're not to know.
Wow. I had no idea you had been through this too. I guess there are more sociopaths out there than I realized and they all think they are the only sane ones. I've been there, boy have I been there. Nightmare that never ends....
Reading this I had the image of a tornado destroying everything in its path. I am sorry you were in the wake of the storm. I hope you've had much better days_r
Eerily familiar story... glad you were able to get yourself and your life and your ability to love back. Hope for us all. Thanks for sharing.
Owl -- Yes indeed!

Deborah -- This is clearly not a gender issue, it's a behavioral health issue.

Blue -- I feel the well may be poisoned.

Dear Reader -- It was a long time ago.

Eden -- When I watch some our elected leaders speak, I think we're a nation of sociopaths.
You and I went to the same dating service evidently.
Those who seem to always end up smelling like a rose will eventually find their way to the compost pile! Wonder who really won here? In the end, that will be You.
Damn, OE. I can empathize with you on that great feeling when you realize it's not you, it's her.
Listen to Little Feat's "Dixie Chicken"; I've been to that bar too.
Joan -- I think of Mr. Magoo destroying everything in his path but being so myopic he can't see the damage he causes. Thanks for the tornado analogy.
Raving bits -- It took a long time and another failed marriage...but I am in a much better place today.

Dr. Spud -- Yes that's true, but you're a behavioral health professional. No wonder you took up golf.

rainee -- True thanks for your kindness.

Stim -- She was so convincing...then she got me in the sack...I'm wiser today.

Daniel -- It's seem you and I were not the only patrons there.
I am so sorry about that. You did the best you could I am sure. That is a hard thing, but, maybe before things are over.
great sex is wonderful bait....
Don -- It is what it is.

Brian B -- I swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
yep. why people would strike at people through children i have never understood, although, they make great weapons, if you have no morals.
I had a very similar experience. I survived. He tanked.
Darlin', if some man came up and told me my husband was sleeping with his wife - I'd believe him! Denial is not one of my characteristics, but I've seen this played out often: men just can't believe their wives are having affairs so they blame the messenger.

That's all I meant. I figure if a man is telling me my husband is sleeping with his wife, he is just as cuckolded, he's got nothing to gain - just telling me the truth.
OEsheepdog, I am very sorry to read what happened to you. For the marriage to last five years versus her six months with Danny I believe points out how hard you worked to have the marriage succeed. It's a tough situation to go through and especially when you are young and just starting out after college days. I am happy that this is all behind you and things are much better today. That's a great example of moving on!
So what happens when two sociopaths hook up?
Sorry about that Sheepdog, but sounds like you came out great on the other end, eventually.
I can't believe I missed this this long. I can relate. Oh, how I can relate. I've always wondered if she just pulled the same shit on the next guy...
I've met this woman - she is indeed a scary type. Well told sir, I'm just sorry you had to live through it, especially with a child involved.
Seven husbands? Damn, I gotta get workin'.
Oye oye, Sheepdog. The pain just never really goes away...like arthritis that visits a broken bone and stays. I'm glad you got out with as few scars as you did but am very very sorry about your relatioship with your daughter. I hope one day it can be rebuilt.
What a foolish woman. You are a charming man and lucky to have gotten out. Sociopaths of both genders lurk about looking for people who will put up with them, and they often find the nice guys.
I mourn for what you were put through and endured but am beyond pleased to know that you were/are rewarded now with a marriage that brings you joy and love. You deserve it. I hope the odds work out like that for everyone who has suffered similar (or worse) fates. Including me. You give me hope and I thank you for that. ;)
Glad you were only in it for 5 years. Except for turning your daughter against you, it sounds like she did you a big favor in cutting you loose, even though it didn't feel that way at the time. Karma has to turn against her sooner or later.
Who would ever think it's a good idea to be the SEVENTH spouse!! So tragic...glad you got out young...
Why are people like this? I hate it. There are so many good people why do the idiots always get picked!
Glad you made it out of that marriage and moved on to a much, much better life!
I have tangled with a couple sociopaths - very disorienting - I can't imagine being married to one and having a child. Very sad. I hope something happens to bring you and your daughter closer. I am very glad you are with a loving woman now. I do think what goes around comes around.
Don -- Just pawns to be played

L&P -- I don't worry about payback anymore. As for my daughter, who knows what will happen.

Nikki -- Why am I not surprised that you survived and he tanked. Sorry for the pain.

Deb -- I see where you're coming from now. Yeah it's an ego thing. Got it and you are correct.

John -- Thanks, fortunately it was only five years, and I learned from the experience. I'm grateful for what I have.

Trilogy -- Two sociopaths walk into a bar...there's a punchline somewhere. Thanks

New #2 -- Probably, there's a pattern of behavior that continues.

Sparking -- So sad that you've been exposed to it. It's icky to say the least.

Surly -- You'd make a lovely sociopath...NOT!

Patie -- I've stuffed this away, but writing about it has been cathartic.

Lea -- Thanks for what you said about nice guys. I think in my next life I'm coming back as an asshole. Just to get even.

Patricia -- You just have to go out there and find it. You are due in my humble opinion. I always keep my eyes open for friends. ;)

bike -- I hope the Karma is going about 60 mph when it turns...just kidding.
Tiger -- Maybe seven's the charm. I didn't count boyfriends, cause Danny never made it to the altar. He got sacrificed just the same.

Lunchlady2 -- Answer that question correctly and you can retire from the lunchroom.

Bluesurly -- Thanks, Ms. Sheepdog is the pick of the litter.

Leonde -- Sociopaths are all over the place.
This is just sad. The past your write about here.
The daughter will learn the truth sooner rather than later I hope.
Hugs Sheep. Some times things are learned by bitter experience, but afterwards it gets much better.
Karma does have a way of bringing things full circle and biting you in the ass. I should say biting her in the ass. She will get hers, don't you worry about that. The truth is she is already getting hers...going from man to man is not any way to live. She is incapable of truly loving someone which might mean she does not love herself. You are better off as I'm sure you know. I feel most sorry for her son. I wonder how he's weathered years of seeing his mom behave this way. Not a very good role model for a young boy.
I am you. (that's how much I understand this.)
Great.
Well told awful tale. Once upon a time I mightn't have heeded something like this. Until I had my own very bad relationship. Only then did I appreciate that it can happen to anyone. Count whatever blessings you reckon there are that you were young enough to have had the bulk of your life ahead of you and that someone so twisted and dangerous didn't take you down with her. At least I hope not.
Did you know that the DSM-IV has no official category for sociopath, even though they have clear differences from the psychopath, and should have a definition?

It is said that the psychopath is born with it and the sociopath gets it after they're born.


Cheers to getting out of a no-win, irreparable situation.
And I bet you $5 she votes Reeepublican.
Glad you've found yourself in a different kind of relationship these days...revenge of the sweetest kind.
Mission -- There was a lot of pain, but it's all past now. Thanks for the kind words. You can't have growth without a little pain.

Robyn -- Very true.

Susan -- Thanks for stopping by. It makes no difference now whether Karma happens or not. I have moved on with my life. Her life is her life.

Kathy K -- I'm finding there are a lot of people here who have had a similar experience. Thanks

Abrawang -- Thanks for your commnents. I learned from this and other mistakes so she didn't take me down with her. My feelings for her ended 26 years ago.

Zuma -- Yes it was no win. Maybe the DSM -V will have the Sociopath's greatest hits.

Lefty -- No bet.

tomreedtoon -- I'm really sorry your sister was in a abusive relationship. Added to that the humiliation of going to a place where faith brought her and not getting help there either. I'm very happy that she is in a better place.

I hope she realizes how much you and your brothers care about her. Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
melissa -- I have no reason to think that my happiness would make her miserable, but if it did, that would be revenge of the sweetest kind.
I've dated her male relative. He's married to this poor woman whose life he is slowly sucking dry. He's stayed married to her. By no accident, she's very rich. Since their marriage, he's eroded her self-esteem and made her a very depressed and confused woman, uncertain where the guy she met has gone. I could tell her myself that the guy she married never existed. Before you're caught, he is the perfect guy, devoted. Chasing. Loving. Almost obsessed. Then, he moves to his next victim. It took me a long time to figure out and then admit his manipulations and that empty feeling I got when I was with him was emanating from him. I feel sorry for her. I hope she makes it out in one piece.
Oh Sheep! That was horrible. But your "revenge" is your happy life now, and her "punishment" is her life, forever. Please try once more to contact your daughter - that is the saddest thing. Now that she's an adult and has (I assume) been to therapy, she may better understand what a sick person her mom is, and look at you in a new light.
I see what you mean. They would make a perfect couple.
odette -- That is very very sad.

Deb -- yeah I reach out every three months or so, to no avail. I think she's her mother's daughter.
I'm so sorry but you might be comforted that a lot of us have been in a similar boat.

I decided when we're young we have no self esteem AND it would be nice to get that book that has a list of traits to check off and summarize. A book with topics like: How to tell if they're honest, Do they really do something or just talk?

My first marriage to an abusive alcoholic ended after 12 years

My second time around I married a really nice guy and it's lasted 29 years and still going.

Thank you for your post.
OE- your story puts a tight knot in my throat. I have lived your story -twice - first turned out to be a playboy and excessive drinker, but the second - a real charmer and a cunning sociopath. My story is all too incredible, but I cannot write it yet. I'm glad you shared yours, thank you. Rated.
OE Dawg,
None of this is on you as in your fault.
Even those of us who consider ourselves cool & "worldly" have been had.
Usually it's because we aren't as c & w as we thought.
I got sucked in by one of these due to her looks.
CHECK HER OUT

It wasn't my fault either and, I'll bet neither yours or mine is anything but empty and doesn't experience true happiness.
I'm much happier alone than I even thought I was with "pbfh"=psycho bitch from hell.
I dated a sociopath for about a year and a half. Most charming person you could ever hope to meet -- on the outside.

On the inside, he was like a creepy 12-year old -- the kind you know will end up badly, and taking a few people along with him.

I count myself very, very lucky that I got out when I did. Although I now wonder why it took me so long.

I'm so sorry you weren't as fortunate.
Sheep--

Have you read this week's Dear Prudence on Slate yet? There's a letter about a woman who's about to marry a sociopath--someone she met last Christmas of 09.

I've posted about www.lovefraud.com and about how sociopaths really know how to inveigle their victims. No one ever believes it--til it happens to them. As it did to me, and to you too.

My experience has been that eventually they get tangled in their own web by someone savvier than they--and you gotta go a fur piece for that. As for your kid--she'll may come around. Sociopaths don't miss anybody, not even their own kin. There's nothing you can do til she sees that for herself.
She did you a favor by setting you free.
And she punishes herself every day, just by being who she is.
Take a deep breath and be grateful you aren't her - or married to her any longer.
Rated!
How sad OE, yet how wonderful that you were able to pull though and share your story with the world. You're the far better person for having allowed love in... even in its loss.
m.a.h. -- Yeah like two peas in a pod .

mac -- Thanks for sharing your story
OEsheepdog,

So very sorry to hear your story. Sadly, it is one that I have heard more than a few times, in both professional and personal situations. More often they were told by women. However, although there are a few studies that indicate more men tend to be called sociopaths than women are, I think that the real reason I heard about them more from women is because men still feel tremendous societal pressure to be strong and silent. That you have shared your story, shows how truly courageous and actually strong you really are.

Sociopaths look for victims and when they find them they start the sweet, loving, sexually seductive etc. behaviors. You did nothing wrong. You were young, you were emotionally inexperienced, you were constantly flattered and persued by an atractive woman, who offered you the best sex you had ever had. What straight man, young, old or dead wouldn't have gone for that? You could not possibly have known what she would become.

Those five terrible years are now long over. Please enjoy your life and yourself.. You deserve joy and love and peace.

I, personally, have never known of a sociopath having another sociopath as a life partner, I suspect that they read each other instantly, in ways that only they can understand.. They are not looking for another sociopath as a spouse or a lover. As people to hang around with? Maybe.
Sadly, not an uncommon tale.
Obviously this is not a person you'd want to have a commited relationship with, but aside from that, I hardly think the label of sociopath is appropriate. The concept of "sociopath" is probably one of the most misused in common discourse. You can't simply run down the checklist of behavioral and attitude traits and say, "voila!, she's a sociopath."

Take, for example, this nugget:
"Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse".

Many if not most of us regularly behave this way without even thinking about it. Walk past a mentally ill homeless man and talk to me about empathy. We may not do it in our most personal relationships, but what about all the less "significant" relationships you participate in, directly or indirectly?

The interesting thing about Up in the Air is that the character played by Clooney is initially portrayed as being different from you and me because he's unconnected to the world with normal personal attachments and commitments. By the end of the movie, if you look carefully, you see that he's hardly less attached than anyone else, just alone. Everyone in that film is detached from the REAL people in their world somehow, and guiltily or not, they go on accepting their detachment. Everyone in that film has made peace with the fact that The Other (sometimes) just doesn't matter. By the above definition, they are ALL sociopaths to someone.
There's a reason that every culture on the planet has a saying such as "love is blind." You've lived it, I've lived it, Danny is or will soon be living it. Be glad you got out and can still pick up the pieces and move on.
I'm so sorry to read about this, OE. I had no idea. We never know the pain people have gone through, until some of the deeper layers start to be revealed. I'm sorry about your daughter, too. With a mother like that, she never really had a prayer, did she? xoxo
Sounds like my ex. We've been divorced five years after a dozen years together. No children fortunately, although she had two and I had one going into it. It's a no win situation: http://www.bpdfamily.com/bpdresources/nk_a101.htm
jeesh! this sounds like a woman i was with but she never quite let me go off too far. i'd stop seeing her for a year or more but she would come calling and i'd forget our history and let her play me again. i think in her mind i was Plan B or C , a fallback if everything else failed. i know i should have been flattered. yeah, right. finally exorcised her . better to be alone than a tool.
black/bleak humor department:
one of my favorite cartoons: a couple in a marriage therapist's office. the man saying "the biggest problem with our relationship? Umm... i would say, my inability in my youth to recognize signs of psychopathology in others".
you're not alone. at least you didn't go to jail, as I did; but I did get out of my marriage in 8 months. 8 months of utter hell, constant chaos, lies, deceit. I was too naive to get it at the time. Once I finally said enough is enough I want a divorce, she played her game, domestic violence. I had never been arrested before but now went to jail for something I didn't do. Of course, in the courts, all men are guilty of DV; especially when you have a woman that is built to harm anyone that gets in her way.

After getting out of jail I did a little internet research and found out that the woman I married had a second husband. His life with her was a complete disaster too. She put him in jail numerous times, begged him to get on the deed of his home (same as she did me) then took over his home and stole everything in it(about what she did to me). Once I learned of her horrific criminal history and the second husband's comments "she put lysol on my steak and served it to me", I put 2 and 2 together. Also, she had previously lost custody of her daughter(never told me) for awful behavior in the 90's. Eventually, I realized that the agony my handicapped daughter had for approximately 10 weeks in the summer of 2007 was her poisoning my daughter. We believe she was poisoning her in an effort to make her mother(first wife) look bad. Thankfully, I'm out of the relationship, but far from over the horror I went through. I've had 7 court cases filed against me by this woman. Unfortunately, the courts don't care about learning someone's character and past. There is a bit of karma, she filed bankruptcy last year and her foreclosure from 2007 is finally coming to a close. Hopefully she will bail on this area and I'll be somewhat free from the agony.

It's definitely an eye openeer. Good luck
you're not alone. at least you didn't go to jail, as I did; but I did get out of my marriage in 8 months. 8 months of utter hell, constant chaos, lies, deceit. I was too naive to get it at the time. Once I finally said enough is enough I want a divorce, she played her game, domestic violence. I had never been arrested before but now went to jail for something I didn't do. Of course, in the courts, all men are guilty of DV; especially when you have a woman that is built to harm anyone that gets in her way.

After getting out of jail I did a little internet research and found out that the woman I married had a second husband. His life with her was a complete disaster too. She put him in jail numerous times, begged him to get on the deed of his home (same as she did me) then took over his home and stole everything in it(about what she did to me). Once I learned of her horrific criminal history and the second husband's comments "she put lysol on my steak and served it to me", I put 2 and 2 together. Also, she had previously lost custody of her daughter(never told me) for awful behavior in the 90's. Eventually, I realized that the agony my handicapped daughter had for approximately 10 weeks in the summer of 2007 was her poisoning my daughter. We believe she was poisoning her in an effort to make her mother(first wife) look bad. Thankfully, I'm out of the relationship, but far from over the horror I went through. I've had 7 court cases filed against me by this woman. Unfortunately, the courts don't care about learning someone's character and past. There is a bit of karma, she filed bankruptcy last year and her foreclosure from 2007 is finally coming to a close. Hopefully she will bail on this area and I'll be somewhat free from the agony.

It's definitely an eye opener. Good luck
OMG... my story is similar. It took me 2 years to figure her out but in hindsight I knew something was wrong after the first month of very intense dating. Armed with all my new found knowledge, the she-monster is a text book sociopath. This georgeous single mother of four teen-aged children is a train wreck waiting to happen. I feel like I'm the only one with the secret decoder ring that unmasked this evil person for who she really is. Not even her ex figured this out. She has everyone in the town that we live in fooled -- if I were to tell my tale, no one would ever believe it. Thank God I never introduced her to my kids and that we were not married. I'm no one's victim anymore but you are so right... she always has a new victim waiting in the wings (so I've come to find out the last 6 months). She's vicious and vindictive to the core of her being once I figured her out. I'm still shocked that there are people like this on our planet. The notion of absolutley "no contact" that I initiated to get away from her really worked (and it pissed her off too). These people are severely mentally ill and there is no hope for them -- my only revenege is that she is stuck in her miserable existence forever. I thank the man (or woman) upstairs for giving me ther strength to see her for who she is and I feel lucky to have escaped. Good luck to you and your new adventures free your sicko!
I have a similar story. I discovered my wife is a sociopath after 18 years and 3 kids later. One difference to your situation was that ... as long as I paid the bills and she had the freedom during the day to screw around ... she was civil to me and pretended to be a devoted wife to all our friends and family.

When I lost my job and economic hard-times started to loom, the cracks began to show. With 3 kids it's not often easy to just leave. For me, the best path was not to walk away but to understand how to live with a sociopath. It can be done. You just need to remember not to "ask" for something to happen which relies on goodwill or a conscience. For me now, everything is an economic transaction. If I am not protected by some form of threat (eg legal action or threat of exposing her lifestyle to her "friends"), and that the "contract" needs to be well-defined and measurable, then I know she will take advantage of me. So I work hard to lay down the non-negotiable law.

The trick is to make sure that everyone of these transactions is (i) measurable, (ii) can be verfied that no cheating has occurred, and (iii) has a penalty that is enforceable and is greater that she is prepared to pay.

It sounds like there is no love ... and there isn't ... but unfortunately, it is a better life than the alternative