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SEPTEMBER 28, 2010 8:01AM

Atheists know more about God than Evangelical Christians Do

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Laurie Goodstein in the New York Times today writes that a Pew Forum on Religious and Public life conducted a telephone poll of 3,400 Americans on the Bible, Christianity and other world religions with surprising results. 

On average about half surveyed answered more questions incorrectly than correctly. Some of those questions answered incorrectly were on their own faith.

The article points out that the results of who answered correctly was a bit surprising

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From the New York Times 9/28/10

I thought these results were astounding. I perceive that lack of knowledge or ignorance about religion on the part of the Christians surveyed explains in part the lack of religious tolerance preached by many who identify themselves as Evangelical Christians.

I am agnostic, though my religious heritage and identity is closely aligned with Judaism. I really stopped attending services over 40 years ago, and I neither observe the Sabbath nor the Jewish High Holy days.

Pew has a fifteen question on-line QUIZ where you can test your own religious knowledge. Much to my surprise I answered 14 of 15 questions correctly (I got a Catholic question wrong). I am the least religious person you might ever know.

There's a good chance you won't see this survey mentioned on Fox News, but, you never know.

 

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Oh my. The quiz link is good but the link to the quiz on the gpew site doesn't work...curious.
Oops..works now.

OK..I got one question wrong...the one about the Great Awakening. Agnostic, here...(mostly Atheist)

Hmm.....that test was basic. I don't it!
(I don't get it, I meant)....sorry.
Persephone13 -- It goes to show how ignorant and ill informed people are. I always knew you were a smart cookie!
Very interesting. . .I'm off to take that quiz.
I guess it means that non-believers actually thought about religion, even looked into the various kinds, whereas True Believers don't question or investigate.
This doesn't surprise me in the least. But I'm curious to know, when the people found out that they got so many answers wrong, did they think they were going to hell?
Karin -- Pew has an interesting web site. This story was so cool. Ignorance always seem to equal intolerance.

Myriad -- I think the righteous reverends teach a extremely narrow view so the co-opt the "true believers."

Cartouche -- "Damned" if I know. Seriously, I don't think the survey respondents are given the correct answers during the outbound calls from Pew.
100% for me too, but admitteddly I guessed on the New Awakening one. Jonathan Edwards sees dead people as far as I know so I voteed for him. lalala

Hey, wait a minute! Where can Pagans chime in? I am so offended.
I've always said atheists believe in religion the most, they just suppress it (see Bill Maher). People who use religion to argue for/against God do so because they equate religion with God.
According to a Believer friend of mine I am all wrong and going to hell and she is right and going somewhere.
She does not question anything.
Ridiculous..
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I saw this study earlier, and the results weren't all that surprising to me when you think about it. Atheists tend to have already thought a lot about religion before coming to the decision. Rarely does an atheist appear out of the vat without having thought about it first. This means that they've probably entertained a lot of different thoughts on religion and studied a bit more of it than someone who is entrenched into his or her own religious beliefs. So an atheist probably knows a lot more general knowledge of numerous religious beliefs than someone who is of one specific faith that doesn't waver.
Linnnn --Just means the sampling of Pagans was too small to be reported.

Harry -- Good point

Linda -- Funny how some people are never in doubt, but often wrong.

Duane -- The article quoted an atheist who said people become atheists after they're given a bible. Well said.
This doesn't surprise me a bit - just recall that senator who wanted to post the Ten Commandments in public but couldn't list them. I'd like to see Palin, Beck, O'Donnell et al. quizzed about their religious knowledge. I think the results would be illuminating.

Hmm, do you think you have to take a multiple choice test to pass through the gates of heaven...? Seems to me there's a clever comedy skit in there someplace.
Actually, the survey is mentioned on Fox News, on the front page of their site. There wasn't even any spin to it either, just a "and you wouldn't believe who knew the most".
Looks like Yahoo is also featuring the quiz, so it's hard to connect - I'll have to try later. I firmly believe that most religious people believe what they do because it's all they've ever known, and not really the history behind their faith or how it is related (or not) to other faith systems. Thanks for the heads up!
OE...oh you beat me! I wanted to write about this fascinating poll. What? We're eating his body and drinking his blood? Ugh@@!
Yeah, you atheists are all geniuses.

But riddle me this, Batman: if you're so smart, why did you misspell atheist?
The questions are of the type that someone might be exposed to in a college survey of religion course. Certainly someone could go to a conservative church or synagogue for a long time without running into "Ramadan" or "nirvana."

Also, in many religious traditions there is an emphasis on experience rather than academic knowledge. For example, I am reminded of the famous quotation from the mystical writer Thomas a Kempis: "I had rather exercise love than know the definition thereof."
It goes to show that atheists and agnostics understand that knowledge is a pursuit, and in that pursuit more and more questions are generated.
Maybe that's because atheists have actually had to think about their faith? So much of what passes as "Christianity" these days is blind following--religion by rote. I'm heading to the quiz now.
I'm not surprised. Read internet discussions between atheists and believers, and the information gap ususally shines through.

Certainly, people who self-identify as atheists tend to be people who take an interest in religion and have spent some time studying them. People who don't care about religion are more likely to describe themselves as "not very religious". And my impression is that believers (at least Christians) tend to know the Bible only in "soundbite" form. They hear short passages in church, but for the most part they don't seem to have read the whole book.
I've always suspected that. I am able to refute most of what religious people throw at me. Your speculation that it is due to religious intolerance has validity; it is difficult for the narrow-minded to really understand what they believe.

Thank you for posting these survey results. I feel vindicated. Ha!
To Christians, the Bible is like a software license. Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree."
Hey, I went to the NYT article and scored 100%!

@mishima666
Point taken, but I really get annoyed when such people start explaining to the rest of us "what Muslims really want."
This doesn't surprise me one bit. Atheism and agnosticism don't arise from avoidance of religion, but usually from considerable thought.

Ignorance about your own religion is no surprise, either. When Bush declared that his biggest political influence was Jesus, I remember thinking: Two wars? Economic inequity? What Bible have you been reading?
I can't say I'm surprised, but I've also been fortunate to be acquainted with a number of Christians who really know their stuff.
I agree that there are a lot of Christians of all stripes who don't think about their religion in intellectual terms.

But I also think that humans tend to investigate more fully the ideas that they oppose. On this site, we spend a lot more time debating and dissecting the concepts we're against than those we favor.
OEsheepdog, a fascinating outcome to this Pew telephone poll! I also tried to take the quiz but it wouldn't open the quiz page--I guess it's overwhelmed by all of us Open Salon bloggers trying to take the quiz all at once!
Linnnn -- Pagans were probably too small a group (in number, not in size) to be counted.

Harry's Ghost -- I understand.

Linda -- True believers are "never in doubt, but often wrong."

Duane -- I think you are correct.

Alan -- If he's a Senator he probably knows them as he's broken more than a few.

Duane -- I'll take your word for it as I never go to the Fox Site. My computer goes into virus alert whenever I stop there.

bluesurly -- I think you'll do fine on the quiz. Thanks for the comment.

Steve -- You just need to take the 5:27 am train into the city like I do to post so early. It is fascinating.

lance -- I am imperfect, but open minded. Thanks for the spelling correction.

Mishma666 -- I don;t how anyone who has not followed current events since the first gulf war could not have heard of Ramadan. Even hippies from the 60s have been seeking nirvana.

Quillian -- that's quite profound.

Walt -- well said.

Norwonk -- I think the ability to think and reflect has much to do with this too. If I was seeking emotional or spiritual shelter, I could understand going to a source that provided oversimplistic dogma to reassure me.

Purple -- You're welcome. I was surprised at how much I knew given that I'm not a student of religion.

TheObsoleteMan -- well done, sir!

Alan -- Congratualtions

Cranky -- think his bible was the pop-up version.
Nice post. I tried to take the quiz, but the site is so blooming slow, I wanted to cuss. :)
It's called "informed decisions"... ;-)
Some years ago, I took the Belief-o-matic quiz on Belief.net to see where I landed. I was, at the time, very active in my quaker meeting and it was after Sept 11 2001. We had a handful of new people showing up to say they had taken such a quiz, as they were spiritual and seeking but didn't believe in the other religions. They also didn't stay long, but neither here nor there. I scored highest Univ. Unitarian, and second liberal Quaker, with my least likely association with Roman Catholic. That they can rank them so confidently mystifies me, but I guess that's how it works. Take the quiz, it might be fun.
This is eye-opening. Who has the most to fear from comparative religion courses in grade school? Why, the anti-intellectuals of course.

(CNN has a ten question version if the link to Pew fails to load.)
This doesn't surprise me in the least, and I think it says more about the skeptics than the religious. That is to say, I think that when people are either against something or sorting out their views (ie, questioning) something, they are the ones who get into the gritty details. The believers--and I'm talking about any ideology here, including political--are content and therefore not looking for trouble.

I have noticed that during the 8 years of the GWBush presidency, I was enormously informed about all the shenanigans going on, and I mean to the minute detail. Some of it has faded by now, but like many here at OS I could recite constitutional law regarding the Patriot Act and knew the Geneva Convention statutes that applied to Abu Graib, etc. But what I'm noticing recently is that my conservative friends are the ones who can start naming specifics about the so-called ObamaCare and the Congressional earmarks of today. See what I mean?
Love your tag: bwahaahahaahahaaha. As I always have said, if you don't like something, you should find out why. I am glad to know if people are going to be Atheist/Agnostic that they know something about what they don't agree with first.
Best Wishes,
Blittie
I'll join the "not surprised at all" group. The people I know who know the most about religion are indeed self-described non-believers (or skeptics or agnostic or atheists). These folks have, to their credit, explored religion intellectually and found it wanting in various ways. Although there are some religious traditions that appeal to intellectually oriented people (Unitarianism, for example and some forms of Buddhism) religion remains a mystery or a fraud to thinkers because religion appeals primarily to the emotions, or even to the physical body.

Also -- a note about the hed: the poll found that atheists know more about religious practice, history, literature and such. It doesn't show that atheists know more about "God." There's a big difference there.
Maybe that comes with letting the preachers and screechers do the interpretation instead of reading the good books themselves.
Scored a 87%. Pretty good for someone with no religious leanings.
I'm having trouble loading that quiz. Is anybody else?
Fay -- good luck with the quiz

Felix -- Freedom of thought, too.

Firestorm -- It is my perception, about the relationship of ignorance and intolerance. Not every Christian Evangelical is ignorant nor intolerant. Some are, My perception is there' is some relationship there.

Let me say this about people and not labels. Anyone is entitled to their beliefs. In a free society, no one should be prevented from following those beliefs.

I grow fatigued with those who seek to pit one against another because their beliefs and ideas are different.

OB -- I married a Quaker and we had a Quaker ceremony. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs as long as their beliefs don't restrict me from practicing my beliefs. I'll visit the site you suggested.

stacey -- And what do parents who home school fear when they don't send their children to public school?

Lainey -- I see your point.

Blittlie -- Thanks

Jeremiah -- I am guilty as charged of a salacious hed. I wanted this piece to be read by the masses. I thought the lede and the attributions were kosher, though. My self serving rebuttal is when the cable networks and the Post and the Daily News stop using salacious heds, I will too. They're professionals, I am but a mere amateur.

Seriously, I don't believe I had enough characters available for Religion vs. God in the hed space OS provides.

Matt -- but wouldn't doing that be taking the lord's name in vain?

Kathy -- You must have great posture, too, if you have no leanings.
It's really funny that this has the most comments.
Seems to me that we atheists are those who are not prevented from thinking for ourselves and, consequently, we are able to question things.
Due to that, we are not nearly so repressed in our various aspects of being human and tend to be more knowledgeable de to our access to information not being regulated/corrupted by superstition and other subversive systems of thought or lack thereof.

I will wait my turn in line on line to take the test.
I know some one who was associated with this poll and Pew actually considered how to frame this before releasing it. It makes sense, though; every atheist I've spoken with can tell me exactly which parts of the Bible - and can quote it - that they disagree with. They're the most educated about it because they've actually given it thought and investigated religion and God by reading many sources. In my experience anyway.
I'm unsurprised by the results. r.
as an agnostic (gods! how i envy y'all that know for certain one way or the other!!) i have studied, read, questioned, and just plain talked to people of many, many religions.

i haven't been able to take the quiz due to all the os'ers now doing so. ;-) but i am pretty sure i'd do well on it. it's not a question of intelligence, but as many have already said, more of intellect and the lack of fear in asking questions of others and ourselves. seeking answers. acknowledging that to some things there are no answers and drawing conclusions from that.

i have a friend who sees her time on earth as 'wasted'. she cannot wait to die and get to jesus. she thinks i am lucky that cait is already there. funny, i don't quite see it the same way.

never did. never will. to me the journey has always been more important than the destination.
The Quiz link doesn't seem to work. Can you refresh it? Would that help?
I'd be in deep doo doo with some fierce nuns and Jesuits if I don't do well on this quiz! Nail biter! Hate tests!
I accessed the quiz from the NYT site but twice it stopped me after Q # 6. I aced those but I'd've loved to finish!
:)
Is anyone really surprised ? Not this atheist. I have been discussing religion for most of my seventy three years and I always win.
I think the better way to title this post is "Atheists know comparatively more about religions than Evangelical Christians". The survey has a various set of questions about religions, and when asking about various world religions or major general issues, atheists basically knew a little more. When it comes to their own religion, Christians and Mormons answered the most correctly, which is logical and is what would be expected. When you take in the breadth of all religions, then no. It actually makes sense that when it comes to their own particular religion, a group should know more, but when it comes to other religions, they wouldn't know as much. And atheists/agnostics having a more general knowledge also makes a certain amount of sense.

Nonetheless, the amount of ignorance the survey displays is pretty astounding.
Wow. I love it. I kind of want this to get around the internets. As you say, I don't expect it to show up on Faux News anytime soon. Anybody want to try and viralize this post?
Firestorm -- I don't tar a whole group with the same brush.

XJS -- I guess it's more about who is more informed and less informed.

RazzleDazzle -- thanks for the comments.

Jonathan -- Thanks and I think their site is overwhelmed today.

MissingK8 -- I cringed when I read what your friend said about your daughter. She entitled to her beliefs about that, but was insensitive to your own beliefs by not keeping it to herself.

JC -- Good luck. I think you'd do well.

Rosycheeks -- ha ha well said.

WadeS -- that headline won't fit in the space that OS provides, but it representative of the survey.

Pontrifcatrix -- thanks for the compliment.
Since Pew's link isn't working, I'll simply have faith that I would answer every question correctly.

One of my favorite "What Bible are you reading?" recurring events is the prediction of when the Second Coming will happen. The religious faithful being so certain that on such-and-such date, Christ will return. Apparently they haven't read 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4, which says, in part, "... the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night." The End of Days will come as a surprise, people. So stop sending your money to these charlatans who say otherwise.
What's truly amazing, at least concerning Christianity, is that most of it was made up along the way and has little to do with Jesus and his teachings, especially in the R.C. Church....after all it is CHRISTianity! And another thing.....as I used to tell the college students I taught for 30 yeaers, there's a big difference between being religious and being spiritual, yet spirituality is the actual purpose of religion, is it not?
Maybe the question should be, "What's wrong with atheists who care so much about God?" I don't think it's just a matter of knowing your opponent either. There's something creepy about secularists who worry this much over their knowledge of the Bible---as if they're hedging their bets. I'm an atheist and I went through a phase of "religious investigation" some years ago. I'm glad I grew out of it.

rated.
I should add that even from the point of view of strategy in the overall social debate, resistance and oppositionality are not very good positions if they're not buttressed by positive arguments for one's own view. Part of the success of religious revivalism today is due to the fact of there not being a healthy, outspoken counter-philosophy in the form of a positive secularism that gets beyond resisting and reacting to the other side of the debate.

What exactly IS secularism, what are its values, its shape, what does it have to offer us on its own? These are the questions that atheists should be exploring, primarily, and not Bible study. Interventionism is needed, but its limited as strategy, and from a philosophical point of view, it's empty.
BOKO, you make some interesting points. Well taken.
OK, I just took someone's advice and went to CNN for their 10-question quiz. It was simple. I mean, seriously, who could possibly not get them all right? My kids certainly could.
OK, I just took someone's advice and went to CNN for their 10-question quiz. It was simple. I mean, seriously, who could possibly not get them all right? My kids certainly could.
@Soap Box Amy- I don't think the purpose of religion is to be spiritual. I think it is to control human behavior by creating a force greater than human desire that is omniscient and omnipresent. Religion gets very caught up in all the details of things that government now seeks to control: the right to own and control land and resources, access to sex and reproductive rights, the right to punish and reward. The RC Church got in power by aligning itself with the interests of the royalty of Europe and the Middle East, by conferring "divine" right. Even now, our military and government power is aligned very much along the structure and hierarchy of the church, or is it the other way around? The need for people to feel shame and to obey without question is *essential* for churches and governments to do their *work*.
It doesn't surprise me at all, I'm surrounded by Holy Jesus Baptist's here in Missouri, that preach everything is a sin. Until the service is over, then they go discuss it in the one tavern in town. Organized religion is bullshit. Your right you will not see it on Fox, that's other unbelievable crap. Good post the other O/E. o/e R*****
I'm scared to ask: How do they know more about God if they're athiests?

running away.....
I don't consider myself an atheist. I find the question of the existence of god so ridiculous that I can't even register disbelief... It's simply a mass delusion.

That being said - and yes, I scored 100% on the quiz - I have always been fascinated by religion and its effect on society. In the pursuit of this fascination I've done extensive reading in many of the world's religious texts, including the christian bible. There's a lot of beautiful poetry in there (King James version, of course), and, not surprisingly, a lot of basic truth about both idealized human behavior and morality. When I find myself in a conversation with a christian believer, I am not inclined to bring up the obvious ridiculous stuff that I don't agree with, but the more solid evidence in their own book that disagrees with much of their belief and behavior in (supposedly) Jesus' own words; things like the admonitions against ostentatious pubic piety, avaricious greed, and contempt of other's beliefs that seems so rampant among the "churched".

Not that debating faith is anything but an exercise in complete futility. But, at least, it has stopped the Pentacostals, Jehovah's Witlesses and Mormons from sending around young people to attempt to "set me straight". I can argue any of them into the ground and will, if they invite themselves onto my property.
Not surprising. Most agnostics/atheists were once believers. Just proves that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
R
I took the 10 question quiz on CNN and got 9 out of 10. The questions were trivia -- not serious religious understanding.
It´s cool to be part of the majority in this one.... LOL
Cool post
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Count me as not surprised. Notice that the "easy" faiths (the one that is in the majority, is most represented in the government and the media, least prejudice) rank in the bottom of the survey, whereas the "harder" faiths rank at the top. Also, according to some people, you have to reject every religion to be an atheist, which would entail knowing something about all the religions.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/28/dont-know-much-about-religion-youre-not-alone-study-finds/?hpt=C1


This is a ten question presentation from CNN. Not the 15 which has already closed at the Pew site. (Hope this helps.)
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Here's something to consider -- not too many decades ago conservative religious folks were pretty evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats, and differences between religious groups crystalized along the theological axis. Back in those days Protestants ripped into the Catholics, Catholics ripped into the Protestants, Eastern Orthodox ripped into the Protestants, etc., etc.

In short, religious people were ripping into each other all the time, but this was seen as normal differences of theological opinion, and no one saw this as "intolerance" or "bigotry."

Over time Democrats became much more socially liberal, and religiously conservative people gravitated to the Republican party, which became the home for social conservatives.

At the same time, conservative religious people came to realize that they had a lot in common, and as they joined forces to promote conservative social causes their theological differences became much less important. The kinds of critical things that they used to say about each other they now reserved for those on the "liberal" side of the issues.

And suddenly, they were "intolerant" and "bigoted." But really, nothing had changed, except for the targets of the criticism.
Intriguing. I wonder how I would score. rated
the purpose of participation in religion is to create a sense of community. not to join a seminar in theology.
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Good post, OES. I saw this, and the man who put it together interviewed. I agree with you, it is astounding.

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Not surprised at all. Common knowledge, often remarked on, in Secular, Humanist, and Atheist podcasts and publications.

The two most knowledgeable biblical scholars alive today are Robert Price and Bart Ehrman, respectively an Atheist who attends episcopal services for the beauty of it and the community, and an Agnostic and academic.
Their books are the most thoroughly documented, well-written examinations of the claims and statements of religion available. If you want to know what happens when scholarship and all modern tools are brought to bear on the ancient wisdom books, read their books or find hem on podcasts. Price did dozens of podcasts with Reg Finley, The Infidel Guy, and they took listener questions, many of which were quite challenging and detailed.

The Bible does not reward close examination or critical thinking for the faithful. More hole than net, as it were. But the less one knows about scripture, the more bullies with it, generally.

People believe because they were caught young, inculcated, and now they fear to leave it. For nearly everyone, it's that simple. The actual material belief is based on is selectively ignored.

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The title of the article is erroneous. The poll did not say that atheists know more about God. They know more about religion, which is not the same. In fact, since nobody has any proof of God's existence, how can anyone know more about God than anyone else?
I took the 15-question test at the Pew site and scored 100%, and I was raised atheist/agnostic and have never been religious.

The questions were mostly general-knowledge questions about several of the major world religions. None of them required in-depth knowledge of any particular religious text. I would actually expect a well-informed person with a general education to do better than someone with focused training in a particular religion.