Atheists know more about God than Evangelical Christians Do
Laurie Goodstein in the New York Times today writes that a Pew Forum on Religious and Public life conducted a telephone poll of 3,400 Americans on the Bible, Christianity and other world religions with surprising results.
On average about half surveyed answered more questions incorrectly than correctly. Some of those questions answered incorrectly were on their own faith.
The article points out that the results of who answered correctly was a bit surprising
From the New York Times 9/28/10
I thought these results were astounding. I perceive that lack of knowledge or ignorance about religion on the part of the Christians surveyed explains in part the lack of religious tolerance preached by many who identify themselves as Evangelical Christians.
I am agnostic, though my religious heritage and identity is closely aligned with Judaism. I really stopped attending services over 40 years ago, and I neither observe the Sabbath nor the Jewish High Holy days.
Pew has a fifteen question on-line QUIZ where you can test your own religious knowledge. Much to my surprise I answered 14 of 15 questions correctly (I got a Catholic question wrong). I am the least religious person you might ever know.
There's a good chance you won't see this survey mentioned on Fox News, but, you never know.


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OK..I got one question wrong...the one about the Great Awakening. Agnostic, here...(mostly Atheist)
Hmm.....that test was basic. I don't it!
Myriad -- I think the righteous reverends teach a extremely narrow view so the co-opt the "true believers."
Cartouche -- "Damned" if I know. Seriously, I don't think the survey respondents are given the correct answers during the outbound calls from Pew.
Hey, wait a minute! Where can Pagans chime in? I am so offended.
She does not question anything.
Ridiculous..
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Harry -- Good point
Linda -- Funny how some people are never in doubt, but often wrong.
Duane -- The article quoted an atheist who said people become atheists after they're given a bible. Well said.
Hmm, do you think you have to take a multiple choice test to pass through the gates of heaven...? Seems to me there's a clever comedy skit in there someplace.
But riddle me this, Batman: if you're so smart, why did you misspell atheist?
Also, in many religious traditions there is an emphasis on experience rather than academic knowledge. For example, I am reminded of the famous quotation from the mystical writer Thomas a Kempis: "I had rather exercise love than know the definition thereof."
Certainly, people who self-identify as atheists tend to be people who take an interest in religion and have spent some time studying them. People who don't care about religion are more likely to describe themselves as "not very religious". And my impression is that believers (at least Christians) tend to know the Bible only in "soundbite" form. They hear short passages in church, but for the most part they don't seem to have read the whole book.
Thank you for posting these survey results. I feel vindicated. Ha!
@mishima666
Point taken, but I really get annoyed when such people start explaining to the rest of us "what Muslims really want."
Ignorance about your own religion is no surprise, either. When Bush declared that his biggest political influence was Jesus, I remember thinking: Two wars? Economic inequity? What Bible have you been reading?
But I also think that humans tend to investigate more fully the ideas that they oppose. On this site, we spend a lot more time debating and dissecting the concepts we're against than those we favor.
Harry's Ghost -- I understand.
Linda -- True believers are "never in doubt, but often wrong."
Duane -- I think you are correct.
Alan -- If he's a Senator he probably knows them as he's broken more than a few.
Duane -- I'll take your word for it as I never go to the Fox Site. My computer goes into virus alert whenever I stop there.
bluesurly -- I think you'll do fine on the quiz. Thanks for the comment.
Steve -- You just need to take the 5:27 am train into the city like I do to post so early. It is fascinating.
lance -- I am imperfect, but open minded. Thanks for the spelling correction.
Mishma666 -- I don;t how anyone who has not followed current events since the first gulf war could not have heard of Ramadan. Even hippies from the 60s have been seeking nirvana.
Quillian -- that's quite profound.
Walt -- well said.
Norwonk -- I think the ability to think and reflect has much to do with this too. If I was seeking emotional or spiritual shelter, I could understand going to a source that provided oversimplistic dogma to reassure me.
Purple -- You're welcome. I was surprised at how much I knew given that I'm not a student of religion.
TheObsoleteMan -- well done, sir!
Alan -- Congratualtions
Cranky -- think his bible was the pop-up version.
(CNN has a ten question version if the link to Pew fails to load.)
I have noticed that during the 8 years of the GWBush presidency, I was enormously informed about all the shenanigans going on, and I mean to the minute detail. Some of it has faded by now, but like many here at OS I could recite constitutional law regarding the Patriot Act and knew the Geneva Convention statutes that applied to Abu Graib, etc. But what I'm noticing recently is that my conservative friends are the ones who can start naming specifics about the so-called ObamaCare and the Congressional earmarks of today. See what I mean?
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Also -- a note about the hed: the poll found that atheists know more about religious practice, history, literature and such. It doesn't show that atheists know more about "God." There's a big difference there.
Felix -- Freedom of thought, too.
Firestorm -- It is my perception, about the relationship of ignorance and intolerance. Not every Christian Evangelical is ignorant nor intolerant. Some are, My perception is there' is some relationship there.
Let me say this about people and not labels. Anyone is entitled to their beliefs. In a free society, no one should be prevented from following those beliefs.
I grow fatigued with those who seek to pit one against another because their beliefs and ideas are different.
OB -- I married a Quaker and we had a Quaker ceremony. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs as long as their beliefs don't restrict me from practicing my beliefs. I'll visit the site you suggested.
stacey -- And what do parents who home school fear when they don't send their children to public school?
Lainey -- I see your point.
Blittlie -- Thanks
Jeremiah -- I am guilty as charged of a salacious hed. I wanted this piece to be read by the masses. I thought the lede and the attributions were kosher, though. My self serving rebuttal is when the cable networks and the Post and the Daily News stop using salacious heds, I will too. They're professionals, I am but a mere amateur.
Seriously, I don't believe I had enough characters available for Religion vs. God in the hed space OS provides.
Matt -- but wouldn't doing that be taking the lord's name in vain?
Kathy -- You must have great posture, too, if you have no leanings.
Seems to me that we atheists are those who are not prevented from thinking for ourselves and, consequently, we are able to question things.
Due to that, we are not nearly so repressed in our various aspects of being human and tend to be more knowledgeable de to our access to information not being regulated/corrupted by superstition and other subversive systems of thought or lack thereof.
I will wait my turn in line on line to take the test.
i haven't been able to take the quiz due to all the os'ers now doing so. ;-) but i am pretty sure i'd do well on it. it's not a question of intelligence, but as many have already said, more of intellect and the lack of fear in asking questions of others and ourselves. seeking answers. acknowledging that to some things there are no answers and drawing conclusions from that.
i have a friend who sees her time on earth as 'wasted'. she cannot wait to die and get to jesus. she thinks i am lucky that cait is already there. funny, i don't quite see it the same way.
never did. never will. to me the journey has always been more important than the destination.
:)
Nonetheless, the amount of ignorance the survey displays is pretty astounding.
XJS -- I guess it's more about who is more informed and less informed.
RazzleDazzle -- thanks for the comments.
Jonathan -- Thanks and I think their site is overwhelmed today.
MissingK8 -- I cringed when I read what your friend said about your daughter. She entitled to her beliefs about that, but was insensitive to your own beliefs by not keeping it to herself.
JC -- Good luck. I think you'd do well.
Rosycheeks -- ha ha well said.
WadeS -- that headline won't fit in the space that OS provides, but it representative of the survey.
Pontrifcatrix -- thanks for the compliment.
One of my favorite "What Bible are you reading?" recurring events is the prediction of when the Second Coming will happen. The religious faithful being so certain that on such-and-such date, Christ will return. Apparently they haven't read 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4, which says, in part, "... the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night." The End of Days will come as a surprise, people. So stop sending your money to these charlatans who say otherwise.
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What exactly IS secularism, what are its values, its shape, what does it have to offer us on its own? These are the questions that atheists should be exploring, primarily, and not Bible study. Interventionism is needed, but its limited as strategy, and from a philosophical point of view, it's empty.
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That being said - and yes, I scored 100% on the quiz - I have always been fascinated by religion and its effect on society. In the pursuit of this fascination I've done extensive reading in many of the world's religious texts, including the christian bible. There's a lot of beautiful poetry in there (King James version, of course), and, not surprisingly, a lot of basic truth about both idealized human behavior and morality. When I find myself in a conversation with a christian believer, I am not inclined to bring up the obvious ridiculous stuff that I don't agree with, but the more solid evidence in their own book that disagrees with much of their belief and behavior in (supposedly) Jesus' own words; things like the admonitions against ostentatious pubic piety, avaricious greed, and contempt of other's beliefs that seems so rampant among the "churched".
Not that debating faith is anything but an exercise in complete futility. But, at least, it has stopped the Pentacostals, Jehovah's Witlesses and Mormons from sending around young people to attempt to "set me straight". I can argue any of them into the ground and will, if they invite themselves onto my property.
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This is a ten question presentation from CNN. Not the 15 which has already closed at the Pew site. (Hope this helps.)
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The two most knowledgeable biblical scholars alive today are Robert Price and Bart Ehrman, respectively an Atheist who attends episcopal services for the beauty of it and the community, and an Agnostic and academic.
Their books are the most thoroughly documented, well-written examinations of the claims and statements of religion available. If you want to know what happens when scholarship and all modern tools are brought to bear on the ancient wisdom books, read their books or find hem on podcasts. Price did dozens of podcasts with Reg Finley, The Infidel Guy, and they took listener questions, many of which were quite challenging and detailed.
The Bible does not reward close examination or critical thinking for the faithful. More hole than net, as it were. But the less one knows about scripture, the more bullies with it, generally.
People believe because they were caught young, inculcated, and now they fear to leave it. For nearly everyone, it's that simple. The actual material belief is based on is selectively ignored.
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The questions were mostly general-knowledge questions about several of the major world religions. None of them required in-depth knowledge of any particular religious text. I would actually expect a well-informed person with a general education to do better than someone with focused training in a particular religion.