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JANUARY 7, 2011 11:24AM

Get It Right? Baby Boomers Responsible For This Mess Now

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" Damn kids........!  said at least once during the day somewhere in the United States by many.

   I have been reading much over the last few days about the state of the union ( USA ) which till recently was only given once a year by the President of the United States and usually entailed silly people standing up and clapping forever ( several times ) while listening to the President actually tell us nothing. I know they weren't clapping at the speech. But I (o/e) will tell you what is really going on. Smoke it if you got one.

    The problems we face today has all been caused by B-A-B-Y B-O-O-M-E-R-S, I am one that is how I know. Baby Boomers have been defined by whoever makes this shit up, as people born between 1946-1964. I define them as people born between 1946- 1970. Because 1970 was when the young people at the time were either going to Vietnam ( drafted ) or trying to get out of going there or stoned or both. Everyone after 1970 became Generation X 'rs. Another new term of definition where they didn't have a catchy phrase so that stuck. If you were born in 1970 you are now forty unless you were born in the last 7 days.

   There are exceptions to the above time line, my wife who has been 36 for the last 14 years is GenX. That is going to be a painful joke later. If you look now who is running everything in this country they are GenX people. There are a few hanger on BB's like ( shit Dick Cheney, and......) well not many. Bet you are now wondering how I could make a conclusion like this? Baby Boomers were brought up differently way back when. We had parents who most lived during the depression and WW2 and were given values and a hard work ethic to become better. They went to schools that actually educated you in everything that in some way would improve your life. They had families and jobs, mother's would put off furthering their careers to raise children. You were given the same opportunities as they had young only better, more improved. You got married and started a family, then as the time line became closer to 1964- 1970 things changed. The marriage rate changed, the birth rates changed. The United States was changing. Our attitudes changed, technology rapidly changed.

   So we had new people on the block after Vietnam. People like me and others who came back entered in the mainstream and got job's or went back to school to finish their interupted time before. People who graduated from school and college's and became our now changing workforce. We wanted what our parents had but we went about getting it in different ways, with different attitudes. Some started families others chose to wait. Marriage became let's live together first and get ahead ourselves. We were independent men and women. Church and faith to some became backseat I'll talk to you when I'm available. Television programming changed from family oriented to tabloid extreme. News became mindless chatter. Our children now were not afforded what we had growing up. Both parents worked now to have more to maintain a lifestyle. Teachers became babysitters instead of educators. Government became larger and bloated with overlapping functions......I can't take it anymore!!!!. Sorry got excited there.

   My first wife and I were married in the early eighties, we both had good paying careers, lived very nice. We had our first daughter in 1989 and our second in 1995. We divorced in 1999. The baby boomers in us produced our Generation X who now are running the country and wondering what went wrong. Except for the few who have taken advantage of our mistakes and miguided intentions and will continue to do so until the system we broke is fixed. Blaming it on Democrats or Republicans or aliens from Wal-Mart is misguided and plain continued recklessness. Everybody has responsibility for it and we all better figure out how to fix it. What's that saying, " you can't fix stupid." We better start thinking about that.  Good Day.......older/exasperated      2011

 

 

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This could not be better said here o/e.
you hit the damn nail right in the center of the head.
We screwed up. We should be the ones who fix it.
Yet we only try to pass the blame elsewhere.
We have seen the enemy and he is us.....
Damn I'm just landing in St. Louis, the editors must be Generation X'rs. Thank you Mission. Yes but will anyone listen. Have to turn off the laptop now. Be back in a bit. o/e
Groovy piece, man. Really far out.
no one is collectively responsible for anything
@tomreed....for the first time in a while you have made an very good comment and an excellent observation here. I am nodding and clapping here because you are right as sweet rain dear.
The baby boomers were split about 70%-30% with the anti-war, peace loving, long- haired hippies,(the good guys) being the 30%. The majority became Bush- Cheney types and supporters of all the Neo-Con criminals. Look at the 1972 Presidential Election map if you need a reminder. Nixon even carried California, New York and well every state except Mass. The Neo-Cons who followed a mixture of the laughable philosophy of Leo Strauss and the insane rantings of Ayn Rand, have waited and waited patiently and want to take us all down, so the elite can rule. This message was brought to you by Mightaswellsmokeadubbie.com
Yes, we are the evil ones. But theres a new generation coming up, my granddaughters age. I don't know what you call them yet. Techno Generation maybe. They think you only go outside to get into a car and drive to a store. God-forbid asking to actually mow the lawn. "What, are you crazy, it's hot out there"! I can't wait to see how they govern!
Hey! Congrats on the EP, O/E.

I'm afraid my bottom line is that I *still* don't trust anyone over 30. Well, with one exception, of course. I'm sure you know who and why.
John B.: How are you! Yeah I went kind of rad didn't I. Thanks.
tomreed: You sound just as confusing as me. But you make valid points on some things. This is what happens everyday in the US people explaining why someone else did this to cause this. I was in Afghanistan and Iraq and Iran when the Shah went down also. Working. Thanks o/e
noah: I heard that, but they know who is? o/e
DrS: You redneck! Like the percentage points they always make comments valid it seems. I just get tired of hearing people complaining about everything and doing nothing. I asked my youngest daughter something like, " what are you going to do when you get older and something goes wrong?" she said, "blame it on you".......thanks my friend....o/e
Scanner: Mine are a little different they grew up in hillbilly country, the younger one though I don't know about her. See above to the DR. Makes you wonder who will be thinking. Thanks
Bo: you believe that shit, I wrote half this on the jet. Yes I know who you mean and I got the same thing. Sometimes it's trust nobody but yourself. Michelle is probably going to thump me good if she reads the 3rd paragraph start. I know where I'm going if shit fails here in the US. older/e.........see ya thanks.
It's ridiculously false to assert that GenX is running this country--boomers are still at the helm in all the most important positions, and there are fewer and fewer people running the show all the time. And boomers, and I'm one of them too, are just awful people. Despite your depiction of us as children of hardworking folks who experienced the War and the Great Depression, all that was forgotten a long, long time ago. Boomers are largely selfish, nasty, TV-filled people who are not aging well--we tend to be too dismissive of young people, too quick to accept our own "genius" (despite enormous proof to the contrary), and rather simpering when it comes to authority. And racist, too. And please don't come at me with the civil rights era crap. We're the generation that allowed that to die on the vine and allow racism to sink into a festering, cancerous mode where it's stayed all this time. And finally, we're the people who allowed 9/11 to become a platform for the fascist conversion of this country. Over the last three years, more than 150,000 people have been deported from this country, and hundreds of thousands have been kept at ICE detention centers. That's America today, and we're the generation that had the money and the voice and the power to stop it. So quite your whining and fingerpointing and get to work resisting. Or shut the fuck up.
It's beyond me why this would be chosen for an EP. It is filled with misinformation, generalizations and stereotypes. NOT rated!
You are both right and wrong in my book. When I was in college, all the dedicated peace marchers were planning to become lawyers to bring justice to those who were denied it. (Think frisbees, dad's old volvos and irish setters with bandannas) They are all - every single one - corporate lawyers now, denying justice to anyone except the wealthy. It makes me sad. I am one of the few liberals left at my reunions.

But my sister and her friends wanted to be stockbrokers, and it was the Greed is good generation. I'd say the two generations teamed up and the BB's cynicism and GiG's mendacity made our lovely mess.
It's beyond me why this would be chosen for an EP. It is filled with misinformation, generalizations and stereotypes. NOT rated!
It's beyond me why this would be chosen for an EP. It is filled with misinformation, generalizations and stereotypes. NOT rated!
true....but even out generation turns away from learning new things...I don't get it...we give up too fast. Lyn
Boko: Yes I Know the BB's are the ones in charge and made this mess out of our own selfish greed. I was writing this on a jet coming back to my farm. The only thing I was actually trying to point out was we that are here NOW are doing all of this and have been ourselves. I am far from whining, I worked in and for the government for 35 years. Yes WE collectively need to do something. But the way it's being done is not the way. Thank you I always respect your opinion and writings. older/exasperated
From the Midwest:It's beyond me also how it got an EP this is my second in 3 years. Most of my posts are filled with disinformation, so I don't give a crap if you rate it or not. But thank you for taking the time to offer your opinion and your wasted time viewing it. o/e oh and hitting the comment button 3 times to get your point across.
Arde: Yes the BB's are training the next generation well...not really just better at it for a bit. Thank you...o/e
Lyn: Yes I gave up on my new cell phone 10 minutes after I got it. But as we age also things change much faster than we would like to accept or learn. Be well.......o/e
History is change and we all get the blame some of the time

Good Post -r-
The blame game gots to stop. So agreed o/e. Found ya on the front cover!
Sir Robert thank you, but they just can't decide on what change, by who, or if. o/e
Trig: Dammit the ed-i-tors flushed me out, WTF. Hope you are doing well my friend. Thanks......o/e S}
I think that there is a natural order here to a point, which is that after hard times, like the Great Depression and WWII, you have more social cohesion, and that fades over time, like now.
Gen X is going to have to do the heavy lifting, and they still don't run things, because when you look at the faces on TV, they don't change much, which means Boomers.
As a different note, and I liked your post, generations might be better, since people think that way, which means there are two Boomers, sixties versus seventies Boomers, and then Gen X had the eighties as their formative years.
Jeez, you all need to relax. Do some Zen, Yoga, chanting or something. This is OS, not psychotherapy. The only thing "BAD" we did was have fewer children than our parents. Of course, back then, that was "Good". Now we do have some tendencies that are shared by other generations of Americans-look at the Roaring 20s for spending; There is no evidence that we started these.
If there were only one mess, it'd be easier to place the blame. Can we blame voters and the government in the early 20th century for the mess of granting corporate personhood? The mess involved in the Republican/Democratic shift of the civil rights era predates the Baby Boomers still, and the GOP mess of of losing their conservative ways really occurred during the Reagan presidency. Then there was the mess of the country thumbing their nose at Carter's malaise speech, which had anyone heeded, we would be less dependent on oil and have more efficient vehicles than we do today. There are so many messes, past and present and those to come, but it doesn't matter where the blame lies, what matters is: what are you going to do about it now?
I believe you have really generalized about the Baby Boomers. Only half of them were teenagers during the turbulence of the 1960s. Many of them adopted the values of the Silent Generation and are still running homeless shelters, the local soccer teams, and other volunteer organizations. The problems in this country, in my opinion, do rest upon all of us, but I put the beginning of the end in January 1981 when The Great Communicator took over.
I will take the blame for being wasteful but that is where I draw the line! I think we all, mostly, fell into the hey it is going to all last forever...I wish I knew how to fix things.
Congrats on the EP!!
There's any number of reasons to feel exasperated. As for feeling older, it's a widespread sentiment.

I didn't catch the Cheney reference. Born in 1941, he is not a boomer. And he's too late for the Greatest Generation. Kind of in between like he was as VP; neither legislative nor executive, depending on which prosecutor was asking.

Speaking as a boomer, you should give us credit for promoting and supporting a raft of minority and individual liberation achievements. Women's lib benefited from a mix of promotion and acceptance with relatively little outright opposition. In practise of course there's still a way to go.

Overt racism has declined and in most sectors it's no big deal to work alongside, live as neighbors or intermarry with a visible minority. Still a fair ways to go and there probably will be a few generations from now. But compared to the world we came to know in the 50s, the improvements are considerable.

Acceptance of gays, bis, TGs etc is worlds away from what it was. Again, a mix of promotion, acceptance and relatively little concerted opposition from my generation.

Where we've failed is daunting. In the public sphere you can't discuss tax levels sensibly. Complaining that they're too high and they're job killers that need to be cut is the only acceptable discourse.

Global warming. This will be seen as our biggest failure. Many of us accept what the vast majority of scientists believe but we haven't done anything significant to diminish, let alone reverse, our causal actions. And we've done a piss poor job of articulating the issue.

The divide between rich and poor. Another failure. Many of us have let ourselves be brainwashed by attack ads, Faux News and its ilk, and rabble-rousing pols and their bumper-sticker slogans who diminish political discourse by impugning the character and patriotism of those who seek a fairer society.

And let's see how the boomers are regarding as we start scarfing the pension fund and hogging medical resources.

We were the best of generations, we were the worst of generations. In short, we were very much like the present one.
Life is messy. Historically, no one generation can be blamed for all of the "failures" in a society/culture in which one lives. It is, and always has been, a collective effort.

This is a rant.
You are right. I have a problem with arbitrary designations, but there are definite differences in BBs and Gen-Xers. I was born on the cusp of Scorpio and Sagittarius and have never been sure of my sign. Likewise I was born at the start of WWII, not the end, and am classified as a Traditionalist, but feel more like a boomer.
A major source of the SS and Medicare problem in our economy is that there are ~ 60,000,000 Baby Boomers and only ~ 40,000,000 Gen-Xers. But, the problem is worse than that. Self absorbed DINKs (double income no kids) lived like the party would go on forever and many didn't save. And, as you point out, that is only the economic part of the mess we've left.
Everyone is to blame for everything, and yes, what From the Midwest said.
Don Rich, 87king, David Bruce, Amy A *, Ll2, Abrawang, impermanentlife, Rodney Roe, First I would thank you all for commenting. The point of this whole post (while I wasn't by any means trying for a cover and EP) was to get people to actually look at themselves and think. 600+ did and maybe they would realize we might have actually helped start this fire and it's getting out of control. As many pointed out in the comments here and stated, " hey you can't blame just us!" No I can't but I did make them understand hopefully that we are part of this mess and WE now have an obligation to work on it to fix it. I would have answered all of you individually but I have cattle to feed this morning and I hope for all people here in the USA to get out and have a BETTER year for themselves and this country. Thank you again everyone for their comments and the time you took to visit here. older/exasperated
I had to come back this morning and read this again. Congrats on the EP, o/e. My hat is off here.
Devision amoungst the Boomers is evident I think, from these scattered replies. As interesting as the post itself.
Groovy, Man, like wow. I totally see your view. Heavy, really heavy.
You sure picked a subject that could be, and likely will be, debated for decades to come. As a fellow BB, we did some good and some really not so good.
One of the biggest problem in America is that we pay far to little attention to what is going on around us and far too much attention to our own personal wants and needs. By not paying attention to our politics to the degree that other countries do, we've managed to let all the wrong people do the bidding for us.
We decide who to vote for on 20 second ads that are peppered with lies and deception rather than checking the facts. We are an emotional people, but that should be checked at the voting booth. I don't know if the next generation of leaders or voters will do any better. My guess is that history will not look on us very fondly when they realize the amount of resources we squandered looking after our personal needs while allowing the rest of the world go to hell.
You really could have gone on and on with this, OE! So much truth to this and very telling of what's to come...or not. Your wife and I have something in common. We have chosen an age to which we are sticking it out for the rest of our days. I chose 39, so I'm a little older than she. It seems to be working so far, except the bad knee, increased back pain and inability to do the splits any longer. Oh well, more important things to ruminate on as time marches on, waiting for no man.
PS - you might also find today's post, "Our Economic Meltdown," by Skypixieo, interesting as well. Similar vibe going on.
"I would have answered all of you individually but I have cattle to feed this morning " O/E.

WHAT? A farmer? A cattle ranch? Recipient of how many farmer-subsidized program$$$$.

It's obvious you like to assume and to generalize....but, sorry, just because you had 600+ viewers does NOT meant they agree with you. Not at all.
Can't agree, even tho I'm the last of the generation before the Boomers. Your charge is far too simplistic.

We are where we are because of a confluence of forces that created a perfect storm.

(1) The rise of the corporation and the accompanying consumerism

(2) The invention of television and it's usurpation by advertisers

(3) The end of cheap energy

(4) The Military-Industrial Complex

(5) The decline of education

All that has combined to create a perfect storm that has undermined civil society and is now beginning to disturb even the climate and the cosmos.

Is there a way around this perfect storm? Not as far as I can see. We are doomed to go thru it. Batten down the hatches.
@Tom: thank-you. And, absolutely. But what really concerns me is this: what OS editor said, "Wow! This is great! Let's put it on the cover"? Moreover, you spelled out "five" things that have contributed to this "perfect storm." Not one of them has anything to do with the common US citizen, regardless of what generation they were born into. The irony? People from the 60's actually lived during a time when individuals made a difference. Who is making a difference now? This person actually make the argument not to blame Generation X. Sorry. But I do. They are young. This is their country. Let me repeat. This. Is. Their. Country. And that is how they have to live. And fight.
David: Thanks for stopping by. o/e
Michael: Yes it is. Maybe just the thoughts will jump start something I do not know. Thanks.....o/e
Just Cathy: How are ya. Kinda makes the wander a little huh. Yes my wife is a nurse so she takes care of me more. But she doesn't look 50 at all. Thanks.....older
FTMidwest: My it's good to here from you. I think you misread back there I said 6+ to look at themselves and think. See it worked on you. You keep thinking about it enough to come back. Oh yes I have a farm in the Ozarks and raise beef cattle usually 30-80 head, 1 Bull 6 calves. I do not get subsidies. But I am retired and a Disabled Veteran and get subsidies from them in the form of pension. I have 6 dogs also. Anything else? Thank you again for stopping in. older
Tom Cordle. Yes it was meant to be vague Tom. Your points I read and know very well and your right. Just say this was a mind exercise to get people do think out of the box for themselves. Thank you for dropping in it always a pleasure sir. older/exsperated
Said Andy Rooney (a member of the so-called "Greatest Generation"):

"It's just amazing how long this country's been going to hell without ever actually having gotten there."

And over on the other side of the pond, you've got his more-or-less contemporary Viktor Frankl on the idea of collective guilt:

"But I start on the ground that guilt is, a priori, personal guilt. I can be judged guilty only for something I have missed, failed to do. But in no way can I be regarded as guilty for something an uncle of mine has done, or a grandmother of mine has done. This is 100 percent nonsense!"

(I'm at the tail end of Gen X here and I agree with both of them. People have always been bitching and moaning about how it's just not like the good old days, and there are good and bad folks of EVERY generation.)
Yes Leeandra my family covers the whole spectrum and some things or people you don't want anybody know you are related. You are maybe older than my oldest daughter 21 and she says the same thing she is going to be a Veterinarian and says people take care of animals better than they do people. Be well and safe. Thanks older
I'm afraid Cordle had it right. The wealthy end of the country has demolished the relatively modest gains that FDR made which gave the country a solid middle class and that class is rapidly falling to pieces. The wealthy have convinced the country that government is evil and inefficient by running evil and inefficient governments. And they are about to get much more evil and much more inefficient. I was born in 1926 and experienced the theft of the government by the corporate matrix and saw how their puppets conned the people into believing the corporations could run the country better. If the government does no longer represent the people as is the situation today there is no power strong enough to confront the wealthy to prevent them from taking almost everything away from the people and leaving almost nothing for maintenance, for education, for health and whatever else is vital for a decent society. They are viciously destroying everything worthwhile in the country milking it dry and then they will move to where ever they can continue their ravages.They are insatiable.
TV is Soma (a la "Brave New World). It's ruined us and will continue to do so.
As a GenerationXer myself who is trying to figure out what went wrong I thank you for your honesty. I think the Boomers that rebelled against..well everything... are going to find they may have overreached and created a monster now that they are settling into retirement. They (You) opened Pandora's Box and now look at what we have. Rated!
Gen X is not yet running the country. Boomers are in control and have been for quite a while. The oldest X-ers are mid-40s.
Gen X is not yet running the country. Boomers are in control and have been for quite a while. The oldest X-ers are mid-40s.
@Rodney Roe--I'm in your boat, fella. Born on November 22, 1940. When Denver had two daily newspapers, one of them had me as a Sagitarrius and the other as a Scorpio, and I never knew what I am...I stopped listening to "Your Hit Parade" in the mid-50s when rock & roll took over the charts, if that is any help.
Thanks for your thoughts. I have often felt that us Boomers, though born in 43, I've always thought of myself as a Boomer, maybe I should consider myself a Tweener were responsible for much of the mess with our children, because we were so busy having fun, we forgot about being GOOD parents. We reap what we sow.

That being said, I decided long ago I can't do anything about US, I can only be the best ME, I can be, and that is enough. So I will dedicate whatever years I have left to being debt free, and working on improving our environment, while promoting equality every chance I get.

As to the great wealth divide, I see it as a festuring sore that may eventually develop into revolution.
I grew up with the commercialist attitude, being born in 1978. My parents were born in 1951 and 1958. I learned that there was no need to make something when you could buy it. I learned that there was no need to do something the way my grandmother did it, there was something that would do it all, if you bought it. Thank God, my grandmother had a part in raising me. All of her wisdom paid off in my 20's. I have learned to create and be resourceful thanks to her. Many of the rest of my generation are reverting to the mindset of our grandparents. Some of those "old ways" are a bit more fulfilling, more economical, etc. The social etiquette of not being a "Snooki" and behaving in public is slowly, but surely being passed on to the next generation too.
In my opinion, our country is still run by boomers. And we are all on the same boat so which ever generation we are from I think is irrelevant. What we should do is to work closely together to improve our situation.