Persephone13

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AUGUST 13, 2010 10:16AM

Oh, well, um, Dad died.

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My Dad died yesterday.

 

He died across the country in Los Angeles, and it happened so much faster than we thought, and my sister (You know. The sister with the brain tumor..fucking awesome) must be psychic now... because in spite of the fact that my dad and his wife have been saying that Jesus is going to take him this month or that month for the last year...This time, it felt like it was real, and she came. And saw him die. And his wife made them bring the body home from the hospital, and now there is a body in the house. Dad left. Body here.

 

I get on a plane tomorrow and see an open casket and then the body will be buried in a spot in Ventura where the body won't have a view of the ocean, but the ocean will be there. For the people who aren't dead. Somehow this is good for him.

 

Dad's dead. And I still can't believe it. Can't stop crying, but have no idea why.

 

Dad was good to us financially, and loved us, but was self absorbed and often emotionally unavailable. He screwed over his first two children when he left his "first real love"...for my mom. In spite of going on to create my little sister and I, and practically ignoring Mark and Audrey, we four are close. We are all close and Dad took the credit. Dad who headed up the designs on the L1011 commercial aircraft and Stealth Bomber and a lot of other stuff, scary and non, didn't really know how to be close to people, other than to repeat himself telling stories of meeting this president or that one.

Life of adventure had he.

 

In the end, he saved lost dogs and became tenderhearted and found jesus and became, instead of softer and closer...MORE self absorbed and remote and kind but distant and focused on his little obsessions. He knows almost nothing about my life, other than knowing I am "A little creative, can sing...has a nice boyfriend"... When I asked for help with needed oral surgery...I was told that he couldn't. But he gave 50K to his church a month later. His right, his money....but...gee dad...

I'm such a jerk.

 

And he's dead.

 

And  I just can't fucking believe it. Writing this here is an attempt to make it real.

 

I feel sick.

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm so sorry for your loss. May you find the comfort and peace that will sustain you through this difficult time. xoxo
There is going to be this huge hole and I have never found anything to fill it up. I know this feeling. I am sorry. Let yourself grieve as long as you need. My condolences.
Oh god, I'm so sorry. I'm sure that he did love you - you know what we guys are like, we mumble and feel uneasy with expressing emotions. Of course the result is that we bottle things up.
You're not a jerk. You're human and the reason you feel sick is that you obviously loved him, despite his faults.
(I often want to shoot my father because he sings/hums/doddle-doos his way around my parents house like a large lost bumblebee)
Take care.
I'm very sorry, too. Conventional wisdom has it that it's much harder to grieve for someone if the relationship you had was ambivalent. I'm in that boat with you. Take care, HB
you aren't a jerk.
may you find peace with this.
I too have parent baggage, so I know how tough it must be.
I am so so sorry.
I'm really sorry for your loss. While I never knew him, I do know he had a terrific daughter who lives in Western New York State.
Persephone, I am so sorry.
I'm so sorry, Persephone...love to you...xox
Persephone, I've been reading your posts since you first burst onto the OS scene, and you're anything but a jerk. Moreover, you have every right to be crying. I'm sorry for your loss.

And I never know the right thing to say.
you will probably refect on your relationship quite a bit now that he's gone, but after the grief, the dust will settle and you will see the light. you are worthy....whether HE made you feel that way or not. my sympathies to you.
You are not a jerk, sweetie. I had one of those distant and self-absorbed Dads, and when he died I just wept and wept. Why weep for someone who really had so little interest in you? Because he was Dad and we always harbor hope, as long as they are alive, that they will finally turn and actually see us and suddenly be the loving and attentive Dad we always wanted.

Then he is dead and that possibility has vanished.

My brother and I both had a lot of anger and in between tears is rushed out. It was such an odd and conflicting mix of emotions, but it was understandable.

You have nothing to feel bad about, you are not a jerk for feeling what you feel. He wasn't a great Dad and now he's gone. That hurts and it makes you angry. I know.

I think that it was easier to make peace with it after he was gone. He was a Good Man but a Lousy Father, and once there was no longer any possibility of changing those facts, I was able to accept them.

Grieve, be angry, be conflicted, laugh a little. Then take a deep breath and understand that you are in no way at fault and that it was just an unfortunate bit of life that was handed to you and make your peace with it.

I send you a hug and my genuine sympathy.
Good goddess, Susan...you nailed it. Thank you..everyone
I am very sorry for your loss. It's confusing, I'm sure, to feel the way you do; whenever someone dies, there are always surprises. Look after yourself.
My husband's parents have over a million dollars in the bank, and they still eat off of five-gallon bucket lids (they probably give their money to their church, too). You're not a jerk for being angry at some of the things he did (and didn't do), and it's okay to feel sick now that he's gone. What Susan says here is astoundingly wise. Hang in there, P.
You're right; Susan seems to have nailed it... for all the people in our lives who are so frustrating... losing them, losing the chance to possibly reconcile, losing the possibility of somehow having things be different or better... has to suck. Replacing "pain" with "loss" seems an indecent trade. I hope that peace and resolution and sense all return to you eventually in some way. Condolences.
Hugs to you, sweetheart. I'm so sorry . . . please be kind to yourself.
Give yourself a hug, Persephone. Love, loss, & grief are complicated: I think we always take ourselves by surprise when we respond to major life/death events in unexpected ways.
I am so sorry for your loss. Anytime you want to talk or anything, feel free to contact me on Facebook. I'm a decent listener. In the meantime, take care of yourself, too.
Our parental relationships are so complicated. I was angry at my mom for dying (38 years ago). Over the next few days you will continue to cry and even laugh at times that will seem inappropriate. And you will be strong!
Chica, I'm so sorry for your loss . . . I know that words don't even touch it, but man . . . sending love, light, and some kind of bedrock or mooring. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's what's in my heart right now . . .
I feel all floaty.

He was my rock for a long time. My safe place. He stopped being that years ago when he Found Jesus with His Wife.

Now Mom is my rock, but life feels so tenuous.

Fetlock....bucket lids? For fucks sake. What is the matter with these people? Thank you for your kindness.

All of you.

I guess it won't feel real till I see the body. How awful that is.
My condolences, Persephone. It's good that you have written and reached out. Keep doing so and be good on yourself, please. ~R
It's not gonna make sense and it damn well doesn't need to. Lots and lots of hugs, hon.
A complex mix of emotions with a complex pedigree. I'm so sorry. I hope you start to feel better soon.
I'm sorry you're hurting. As Susan said, so many conflicting emotions are normal when you have a conflicted relationship with someone.

I don't know why but "finding religion" seems to make so many people cruel and indifferent to their families. Only the church is important. Makes no sense to me.
I am sad too ...
These bodies don't last.
They wear out too soon.
Each day is one mini life.
None come backs to tell.
Maybe we become babe.
Life's so brief. Take care.
I'll wish you solace. sighs.
I am so sorry.
The writer in me is strangely mute. My guess is that you mourn not just the man but the possibilities that never were. Your sorrow is shared here.
Lezlie
You have the right to whatever feelings that you have, do not kick yourself no matter what you feel. I am sorry for your loss. You will get through this.
I'm so sorry. Peace to you and yours.
So sorry, Persephone13. Wishing you all the usual things it takes to get through this with spirit and heart intact, stronger.
oh sh*t! take care of yourself!!
I am so sorry. Our parent's passing is often shocking, even when it is expected. There is nothing that prepares us. He was certainly the lucky one to have you in his life. Peace and prayers sent your way.
Oh, Sweetie, such a heavy burden to bear. Pure grief at pure loss is hard enough to handle, but grief mixed with anger, conflict, unresolved issues and pain is just about unbearable. I've known both and I can promise you this sense of disconnected unreality will pass. You'll face some cold reality and then you'll build a new one altogether.

He loved you, in his way. No matter how much they let us down, hurt us, even damage us, we all seek our daddy's approval and love. You are crying for the daddy who might have been, could have been, should have been... now a promise forever unfulfilled. Which, if you think about it, was much more his loss than yours.

Acknowledge the anger at his inability to see and appreciate you, but please don't embrace it. You are too good to become embittered. You've already known great trauma and great love, you know you have the strength to handle this too.

I wish you strength and eventual peace and ask you to remember this: People, living or dead, have only as much power over us as we let them.

xoxo
Anything - anything - I can do, I will. It is going to be so hard, but you will get through it. Keep us informed, write your heart out, and know that OS is amazing for help and love.
Embrace shock, truly. It will be your best friend for the next few weeks.
I will send you a PM, but as someone who experienced a similar loss in December, I know that there is a huge amount of grief to get through, plus myriad details and lots of communication...
I am so sorry for your loss. You sound like you understand some of it. Please count on me to always read...peace and love to you.
Okay. First, I really loved the picture. I am very, very sorry for your lose. I remember have some very difficult feelings when my mother died. She did her best and I have come to realize that, but she was a very difficult person. I think the years have helped me put all she was into a kind of perspective. I hope the same for you. The moment is hard to accept, the reality. I was not there when my mother died. I have come to think that maybe that was best. I spoke to her and asked her if she wanted me to call an ambulance, they could help her, but she was done, she wanted to go and she wanted to die at home. So with my sister there, an aid and a sister who arrived from out of town moments before, she died as she wanted to. I listened to her and knew she was doing with she wanted in her strong willed way. It is difficult to think about that moment now, but I have come over many moments to realize her true worth to me and appreciate all she did do for me. R
Oh, dear Persephone (a myth who is married to the underworld and yet can't accept death)... I understand all too well. My mother died two months ago and the pain is still raw. I saw her die and yet I still don't believe it... even when you see the body, I don't know whether it will feel real... but you are so right to write about and your ambivalent feelings... get it out. People want to read about it. We are all children... and many of us are orphans. Losing your parents is a universal story, complicated, messy and painful -- but I think it is about our changing and growing up, even if we are already adults. I wish you much strength and patience with yourself and good friends to sustain you. Keep writing.
My most sincere sympathies.

We cannot control what others say or do, only what WE say and do. So, don't feel angry about how he wasn't, because there was not a thing that you could have done to change him.

Instead, continue to be a person YOU can be proud of. That's all any of us can hope to achieve.
Oh I do just get so pissed off at kindness, even.

Platitudes.
P,
Good you got it out.
The papers and the casual acquaintances
never say : "well, he wasn't the greatest dad
but he had his good points."
Sanctification somehow comes with shucking off your body,
and it's certainly hypocritical but understandable.
Noone knew him like you did.
Just because he is dead doesn't make him anything special
unless...you piece together the lapses of pure love he had for you
in his life, and really feel them.

And carry them
and put them in the Revised Book of his life...
because though i am no expert,
contextualization is paramount:
he was taught his weaknesses,
but his heart was his own.
Maybe the sadness is the knowledge it can't be corrected, and he can't be replaced. People are fucked. That's a given. Me and a friend were just talking about what sociopaths our mothers are. Like I said, people are fucked. And when they're gone we still have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Wishing for things that can't be. I still occasionally talk to my father in dreams ten years after he died. We get along better now. Maybe something's eternal. Maybe not. Maybe that's why he paid his dues at the church. So he would get bonus points for being a negligent ass. Maybe he didn't know how to be a good father, and regreted it. If you really try to psychoanalyze people you will go mad. Sorry how things turned out.
oh my god strangers suck.

and people have no manners.
:hugs:

So sorry, hon. I'm not much for platitudes in times like this, but I do want you to know that you're in my thoughts.
Persephone, So sorry for your loss. I understand these feelings. I had mixed feelings when my Dad died but still it tore me apart. All the best to you in this trying time.
So sorry to hear about your struggles. My father died in June 2009. Still wading through all of the many complex feelings. Be gentle with yourself. You will heal.
Persephone:

I am so very sorry.

My fiance lost his father (pretty straightforward, mostly positive relationship) a couple of weeks ago, and his brother (very complicated, confusing relationship) last year. I have been witnessing many different shades of grieving I haven't experienced, as my parents and siblings are all still with us.

We lost our old and lovely cat last summer, and I was struck by the simplicity of grieving for an animal - when there's only love and nothing else, grief is, it seems to me, easier. With people, especially family, especially difficult family, there's so much more to go through.

My thoughts are with you.
I'm new here, so this is the first post of yours that I've read. I'm sorry I didn't get to discover your work in more joyful times, and I feel bad putting my nose in maybe where it's not wanted, but I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am for your loss. Say what you need to say and do what you need to do, to get the hurt out, and don't apologize for yourself.
I feel sick with you. He was your parent, maybe even a dad now and again. Hard to know how to feel about so many things intersecting all at once.