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Rachel Velamur

Rachel Velamur
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Born and raised in a strict Mormon family. I write about what life was like as a Mormon and what my life is like after leaving.

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SEPTEMBER 29, 2012 5:49PM

Mormon Urban Legends And Ambiguity

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            A recent post of mine detailed my experience with a Mormon urban legend – the following statement that I first heard at a youth camp:

 

"You were in the War in Heaven and one day when you are in the spirit world you will be enthralled with those who you are associated with. You will ask someone in which time period he lived in and you might hear, "I was with Moses when he parted the Red Sea," or "I helped build the pyramids," or "I fought with Captain Moroni." And as you are standing there in amazement, someone will turn to you and ask, "Which prophet time did you live in?" And when you say "Gordon B. Hinckley," a hush will fall over every hall, every corridor in heaven and all in attendance will bow at your presence. You were held back six thousand years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous, and most righteous. Are you still? Remember who you are!"


This was a persistent quote; I heard it multiple times during the course of my teenage years.  Later I found out Mormon authorities had gone so far as to debunk the quote – in 2008, they issued the following disclaimer:

 

“A statement has been circulated that asserts in part that the youth of the Church today “were generals in the war in heaven . . . and [someone will] ask you, ‘Which of the prophet’s time did you live in?’ and when you say ‘Gordon B. Hinckley’ a hush will fall, . . . and all in attendance will bow at your presence.”

This is a false statement. It is not Church doctrine. At various times, this statement has been attributed erroneously to President Thomas S. Monson, President Henry B. Eyring, President Boyd K. Packer, and others. None of these Brethren made this statement.”

 

            I made the error of assuming this disclaimer meant the entire statement was false.  But as some friendly ex-Mormons were kind enough to point out, the truth is a little more complicated than I realized. 

            On March 4, 1979, Ezra Taft Benson, who at the time was the President of the Quorum of the Twelve and who became the President of the Mormon Church in 1985, gave a fireside talk to students at Brigham Young University:

 

“For nearly six thousand years, God has held you in reserve to make your appearance in the final days before the Second Coming of the Lord. Every previous gospel dispensation has drifted into apostasy, but ours will not. True, there will be some individuals who will fall away; but the kingdom of God will remain intact to welcome the return of its head—even Jesus Christ. While our generation will be comparable in wickedness to the days of Noah, when the Lord cleansed the earth by flood, there is a major difference this time. It is that God has saved for the final inning some of his strongest children, who will help bear off the Kingdom triumphantly. And that is where you come in, for you are the generation that must be prepared to meet your God."

All through the ages the prophets have looked down through the corridors of time to our day. Billions of the deceased and those yet to be born have their eyes on us. Make no mistake about it—you are a marked generation. There has never been more expected of the faithful in such a short period of time as there is of us. Never before on the face of this earth have the forces of evil and the forces of good been as well organized. Now is the great day of the devil's power, with the greatest mass murderers of all time living among us. But now is also the great day of the Lord's power, with the greatest number ever of priesthood holders on the earth. And the showdown is fast approaching.”

 

So now I feel foolish.  I had assumed the retraction was for the entire statement – instead, the retraction was simply for the idea that people will bow down to you, as well as the fact that no Mormon leader had made that specific statement.  But the idea of God holding my generation back – of one generation being better than another – is an idea that was perpetuated by no less than Ezra Taft Benson, whom as a child I considered to be a living Prophet, a person that I thought communed with God.  

I guess this particular urban legend is an example of the ambiguities between Mormon doctrine versus myth.  


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I had to look up Hinckley to figure out why the whole of LDS heaven would fall silent, now I think I understand. I have to wonder what the response of the heavenly host might be if your response would be, "I fought with John D. Lee?"
Ahh, perhaps I should add in an explanation of who Hinckley is?

Well, the Mormon Church would like to officially forget that John D. Lee ever existed - I had to look up who that was!
eh, it's nothing to feel bad about. I can understand where you might've gotten that idea. I raised an eyebrow myself when I heard that quote years ago. I reckon I just don't think we're that special... lol. there were some things that were listed in the scriptures that, if I had been put in that position, I can't say I would've made the same decision.
Congratulations on the EP!! As for John Doyle Lee and the Mountain Meadows Massacre, there's a great video interview with his great grandson, Stuart Udall who was a congressman from Arizona and served as Secretary of the Interior from 1961 to 1969 under JFK and LBJ. It's from "Death Runs Riot," Episode Four of the PBS documentary The West:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program/episodes/four/mountain.htm

Here's a small part of what he had to say,"My middle name is Lee and I've studied his life and his tragedies. I will always believe that it could only have happened at that particular moment, that if this wagon train had come through, as they had before, two weeks earlier, two weeks later, they might have gone unscathed, so it's almost a Greek tragedy."
Thanks jmac - the EP was a huge surprise. I will have to check that documentary out; I have been getting into Mormon history lately (the full version, not the edited version I grew up with)
First of all, thank you for sharing your story. I find this kind of thing incredibly fascinating. There's not really much I can add because your post seems to be one aimed more at reporting than critiquing (to your credit, I feel), and as a non Mormon I know so little about the faith I would have nothing intelligent to say anyway. But while it may sound odd, I've read nothing -- including your post here -- that leads me to think less of Mormonism. It really is a fascinating part of our history.
my own theology , which is influenced by all the others,
which are lame,
agrees with this:
"All through the ages the prophets have looked down through the corridors of time to our day. "

seems as if u are in preparation of being a prophet yourself!
cool!
this mormonism gotta be brought to the clear light of day.
i say, you the gal for the job!
Thanks for the clarification, RV, and heartfelt congratulations on the Editor's Pick!
Hey Rachel, just saw "Tabloid" - the documentary about the crazy Southern beauty queen who chained a missionary to her hotel bed! Crazy. It also had clips from "The Truth About Mormonism" - a bizarre psychotronic cartoon produced by Evangelicals with a lot of bizarre negative distortions about the LDS religion. Just thought I'd share
Thanks Daniel - I was just trying to eat my words (and feeling quite embarrassed about being taken in about this particular urban legend), never expected an EP out of it. But I guess this is an example of why sorting out Mormon doctrine can be so confusing.

Chiller: I had heard about that story - how strange!
Orwellian double think and history alteration at work again. "We are at war with East Asia; we have always been at war with east Asia," or is it Eurasia?"

Some times it is hard to keep up with the changes.

BTW I thought your previous post about David Twede was worth repeating and elaborating on myself; I trust you don't mind so I cited you in my latest blog and earlier at the Daily KO.