Procopius

Procopius
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February 05
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I'm a regular middle aged guy, living in a regular middle class neighborhood, in a regular middle-sized community in the middle of America. I am an expatriate Texan transplanted to the Midwest, and wondering how I got here, and where I'm headed.

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JANUARY 14, 2009 2:12PM

Trickle Down Economics, or Since My Job Went Away

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Since my job went away:

 
  • I spent about half as much as I otherwise would have spent this past Christmas.
  • I have gone from eating out 2 or 3 times a week to eating out about once every other week.
  • I occasionally order takeout from my favorite restaurant instead of dining in and having to leave a tip.
  • I have postponed indefinitely paying a local artist to paint a baseball mural on my son’s bedroom wall.
  • I have turned down at least 7 or 8 offers from unemployed men looking to earn $10 or $20 to shovel snow from my driveway and sidewalk.
  • I have stopped buying meat from my local butcher, buying instead a cheaper product from the grocery store.
  • I have put off purchasing a new car to replace the 1999 Ford we drive with 93,000 miles on it.
  • I am drinking much more tap water, less soda, less beer, and less wine.
  • I did not renew membership in my university’s alumni club.
  • I did not renew my subscription to National Geographic.
  • I am postponing indefinitely the purchase of new living room furniture which we desperately need.
  • I did not give my regular donation to the American Foundation for the Blind, a charity I have supported every year for at least 20 years.
  • I did not send one last contribution for the year to the American Cancer Society.
  • I did not respond to the most recent solicitation from the American Heart Association, another charity I have supported every year for at least 20 years.
 

I don’t know if the company I work for did the right thing when it announced major job cuts last month.  I have an opinion, but it is only an educated guess based on assumptions that may or may not be correct.  Maybe the company did exactly what it had to do.  Maybe.

 

What I do know is this:  As a result of its decision to release me from its employ, an awful lot of big corporations, local businesses, charities, and people in need are receiving far less from me than they would have if my position had not been eliminated. 

 

Another thing I know is this:  The United States economy lost at least 2.4 million jobs in 2008.  Look at all of the cuts I have made in spending and charitable contributions, and multiply that by 2.4 million. 

 

Welcome to trickle down economics.

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hey, i just left a comment on High Lonesome's new post about how nobody's hardly writing about this sort of thing. and for the first time in my life i've been wrong about something! it was bound to happen eventually. people are writing about it, and there have probably been other posts like your excellent one here which i've just missed.

you're right though. when companies decide to make further job cuts (and as you say yours may have had no choice) it just adds to the snowball effect of economic destruction that's taking place. i hope i'm wrong but my gut tells me that things are going to get a LOT worse before they get better. rated for timeliness.
still think capitalism and oligarchy is good enough?
nanatehay, the snowball effect may just be getting started, and you are correct that it might make things a lot worse before they get better.

al, I'm not against capitalism at all. It isn't perfect, but we haven't come up with much better, I'm afraid. Of course, we don't have a true capitalist society, either. What we have is capitalism infused with government supported oligarchy and plutocracy. I agree with your implied sentiments on that.
Most of what I'm thinking sounds trite when I type it out. So let me send you best wishes and good luck.
This American culture is strictly based on a consumerist economy. You’d think that, with that being so, there would be more consideration of the welfare of the CONSUMERS. Without them, there is no economy. I am too often amazed that there are not more advocates for that side of the equation when it seems pretty clear that the so-called producers have no purpose without consumers.

Instead, those at the top divide the world into two classes; shareholders and “inferiors” (consumers). Noam Chomsky has some interesting points on this:

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www.chomsky.info/interviews/20070402.htm

At a shareholder's meeting of Allianz AG, major shareholderHans-Martin Buhlmannn expressed the view that there is only one limit to the increase of the dividend: "The inferiors must not be bled so much that they can no longer consume. They must survive as consumers."

There was a famous case called “Dodge v. Ford.” Some of the stockholders of the Ford motor company, the Dodge brothers, brought Henry Ford to court, claiming that by paying the workers a higher wage, and by making cars better than they had to be made, he was depriving them of their profits – because it’s true: dividends would be lower. They went to the courts, and they won.
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Dodge brother were able to sue Ford for depriving them of their “dividends” by paying employees better wages and for building a better product? WTF? Not much has changed except for having continued to proceed in that same direction, I think.
My husband retired last year, and we're now living on about one-third the income we've been used to. All your changes are very, very familiar. We were given a beautiful photograph taken by a relative for Christmas; we would have taken it to a small local frame shop, but for now it's in a folder on the shelf (I hate to stick it in an ugly, mass-produced frame). Our food shopping, planning, preparing are all getting more rigorous, no more "let's grab some teriyaki." And here we're lucky: with retirement comes the time to do all that planning and cooking ahead. Looking for a job makes it 150% harder to practice economies, large and small. A cruel ironic truth.

You seem to feel as we do, that cutting back on giving is the worst pinch. Especially now that it's obvious that more and more people need help; our local food bank is getting swamped with people, but unfortunately not with food.

I can only send you best wishes, and add that I hope you can continue to make posts here. Your contributions are among the best on OS, and help all of us think more clearly about a lot of things.
stim, thanks for the good vibes! I really didn't write this to get well wishes, but to illustrate just how consequential a single layoff can be.

Rick, as usual, you bring a pithy perspective, and thank you for that. The case you cite is really incredible, in every sense of that word.

kestral, what a kind thing to say. Thank you. All the best to you in this new phase of yours and your husband's life! BTW, as long as I feel like I have something to say, I'll keep posting!
This is the best description of the lunacy of trickle down economics I have ever seen. Ever. I want everybody to see this. Stark. Reality.
Thoughtful post, Procopius. But I have mixed feelings. It's bad, of course, that worthy causes and small businesses are suffering the effects of the economy. On the other hand, there are benefits to consuming less and making do. I have a feeling we are all going to learn firsthand what our parents and grandparents learned during the Depression.
Watching his downward spiral is abjectly terrifying, because it's like watching an animation of the galaxy spinning. Try stopping that. Try slowing it down.

I may be a catastrophist, but seeing what's happening on a global scale, I can only conclude that the entire species is going to be forced to fundamentally alter the way we interact with each other economically.

Production and Consumption for their own sake have just proven unsustainable.

Thank you for this post.

It's terrifying.
Sally, thank you. We may be seeing a lot of posts on this topic, unfortunately.

Biblio, what distresses me more than anything is the effect situations like mine will have on worthy charities, and on the man that has to support his family waiting tables with far fewer patrons, or the small businessman whose customer base is disappearing. I don't bemoan the loss of McMansions or grotesquely conspicuous consumption. But as you know, the problem goes well beyond that, now.
Best of luck to you, Procopius. Ordinarily I'd say that you're a bright guy and you'll find a good job soon. I hope that's true for you, although I know it won't be for many in the same position right now.
Verbal, terrifying is a strong word. I hope we're not at that point yet, but who knows? I'm hopeful that there is enough resilience in our economy that things will not reach that point, at least not for those with an education and drive. One must retain as much optimism as possible.
HL, thanks, I'm absorbing your optimism as I type!
damn Steve, I'm sorry again for what you're going through. If you can get some scratch on the lecture circuit talking about beautiful things, then any image I own is free to you for your use. I wish there was something more I could do, but at least that is symbolic to me of the high regard I have for you, and of the friendship we found here.

Hope someone slaps their own head real soon and realize what good you can do for them.

You know, the first time I heard "trickle down economics" was during the Reagan administration. It made me mad then, it still makes me mad. What it is is code for greed and selfishness--"I get mine and then maybe you can feed on the crumbs."
Barry, don't fret, I'm not all depressed or anything! But I do recognize situations like mine have wider consequences, and that's what I'm trying to show with this post. Like you, I don't trust "trickle down" in the Reaganesque sense of the word, but there is a negative trickle down, and we're in the midst of it now. Thanks for your comments, and for your kind words of encouragement.

Larry, I will be on your post later tonight, when I have time to really absorb what you have to say. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks for stopping by.
STANDING OVATION STEVE!!!! I don't like to speak ill of the dead, but I would love for you to make that presentation to Mr. Reagan. I say we as Americans demand "Mr/Miss Government, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL OF TRICKLE DOWN BULLSHIT!"

It's never worked. The only trickle we feel in the middle and below is the trickle of piss from the pricks above.

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Good luck and I'm thinking about you on your search my friend.
Sounds unfortunately familiar. Many of us are dealing with a new reality, and it is harder to recover when you are older.

All the best, Steve. May this new administration get things going for the better.
The best description I ever heard of Trickle-Down Economics was from Senator Tom Harkin. He explained that on the farm, cows were given expensive feed to eat and the birds would go around behind them and pick the seeds out of the piles of manure, thus taking advantage of trickle-down economics.

Capitalism, like communism, is an interesting economic theory. But just as no one has ever practiced communism on a national scale, neither has anyone ever practiced capitalism on a national scale. What we practice is corporate cronyism, and that is just as evil as fascist communism.

Any system that allows a few to make millions (or even billions), while allowing others to starve, is no system to boast about or try to force on other nations.
I joined you this week. The cuts began the moment I was "let go" last Friday. How quickly we become unimportant!
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Roger, Thanks.

Greg, trickle down is happening, but not in the way Reagan's boys envisioned it!

Lea, things will get better. It may take a while, but it will improve. And I suspect we'll all be stronger when it does.

Tom, Senator Harkin is a wise man! And you are correct. Capitalism, as it has been practiced in America, infused as it is with oligarchy and nepotism, is a sick beast, made all the worse by the greed that produced the illusion of wealth built on a house of cards. And the bigwigs continue to rake their $20 million salaries while they lay off the people who produce the goods and purchase the end product.
geezer, that's sad news. Welcome to the club!
No mural? Cheaper cut of meat? No National Geographic? Alumni Club? Only 93,000 miles?

Is this some kind of hardship joke list?

I am truly sorry you lost your job and wish you the best. But most of the cutbacks you mentioned strike me as out-and-out luxuries when compared to people I know here who're out of a job and may be out of their homes, have only rice to eat, are taking buses to low paying jobs, can't afford shoes for their kids ... please, give me a break here.

I know this comment will twist the shorts of almost everyone here, and I'm sorry for that. It's unintentional But the list and the accompanying sympathy for the loss of things like "new furniture" suggests that you're all out of touch with the really poor who've been living most of their lives drinking tap water. The sense of entitlement here is eye-ball level.

And couching it in all as some proof against so-called trickle down economics is political bullshit and diminishes the truth of people who are living in real poverty.

Steve, again, my best wishes for you and your family. I've been out of work and it ain't fun. But get back to us when you're in a bread line, selling apples on the street or stuffing old newspapers in your shoes.
John, I don't agree. Well I agree that the truly down-and-out are getting the rawest end, but if the middle class is treated the same way--with contempt and no support--they can't help trickle down their support to those on a bread line. That's what's important here on Steve's post and that how it fits with your justifiable and shared anger at the systen... but not at Steve!
John, the point of the post is not to elicit sympathy. The point is to illustrate that by eliminating a job, there is a trickle down. I, and millions of others, are cutting back on expenses. It doesn't severely impact my lifestyle -- yet -- but if you multiply my cutbacks by 2.4 million, there most definitely is an impact. I am worried about the waiter who immigrated to this country 7 years ago, and who does not receive anywhere near the income he did a year ago. I'm worried about my butcher who has far fewer customers than he did a year ago. I'm worried about the man who wants to earn $20 bucks by shovelling my driveway and sidewalk. Will he be able to feed his family tonight?

If you think this post was to lament my personal experience, I'm sorry I must not have done a very good job of getting my point across.
All of these sacrifices of which you write are no-brainers to those of us who are financially hurting. Why, then, couldn't our government see it when they decided to bail out Wall Street without attempting to shore up the foundation of our country, which is the middle class? I'm trying to keep the faith, as I'm sure you are, but some days it's hard to do. Thanks for this eye-opening post.
Proco - I got your point, and it was well-made. As someone who has had way more than his share of jobs, lay-offs and firings, I've learned how to live with it -- however unhappily - because my cussedly independent streak brought a lot of that on me.

It's the people I know who have played by the rules their whole lives, and are now being let go callously, after years of exemplary service to a company, that are in shock that the system isn't what they thought it was. It's the people who are discovering there is no longer a safety net who are rethinking their "conservative" politics of the last three decades.

John Boni mentions the truly poor, and his point is well-taken, too. But -- and I'm certainly not excusing the way the poor are either ignored or mistreated in this country -- but, it's ironic that in some ways they will be less dramatically affected precisely because they had so little to lose.

In my book, I made what some considered a perverse statement, but it is factually correct. FOr many here in the mountains of Appalachia, the Great Depression passed by all but unnoticed because it did not change their lives much. As always, they struggled by with subsistence farming and little or no money.

I'm no so sure hard times will pass so easily in these environs this time, however.
Good article, Procopius, and don't worry that some people didn't get it... some of us did. I didn't take this as you complaining about your situation at all.

And by the way, the picture you present, lucid as it is, is not even the complete picture, since even people who are still working are, if they're wise, cutting back in order to prepare for the possibility of being in your shoes... Few of us are immune, it's just that some of us have been so far lucky.

My family has cut back on eating out, but we try to still go once in a while to the restaurants so the ones we really care about will still be there, and as a way of supporting the local economy. We're also trying to watch the “Made in” labels on things and make sure that what dollars we spend go to local producers (even in cases where it costs a little more) on the theory that this keeps people employed and generates tax revenue. Buying locally grown foods is another way to contribute to the local economy, not to mention to help the planet a bit since less transportation cost is involved.

One way to address the charity issue is to give to a charity on behalf of a friend. I'd much prefer someone did that rather than go to Wal*Mart and buy some piece of imported plastic junk I probably don't even need... Raising your kids to think this is a cool idea would be a great contribution to society.
Beautiful analysis of how it really works.
Clearly, most of us can relate to this, and I feel your pain. My husband was laid off of his job after 30 years of employment, and our portfolio is down 45%. We've cut back on all of the things that we used to take for granted--dining out, shopping for luxury, and perhaps not such luxury items, cancelling our Arrowhead water delivery, and on and on and on.

We too, had to decline donations at the end of 2008, and it makes me feel like a stinker, but I tell them the truth when they call. Husband was laid off, collecting unemployment now---things are just too tight. I end up feeling a little guilty about it.
Good luck.

I live in a place where people act like this isn't happening. It makes me sick. They think the entertainment industry is recession proof---I've taken to asking, "How about Great Depression proof? "
umbrella, I read your recent good news post, and wish you all the luck. Stories like that give others a reason for optimism. It certainly sounds like your situation was far more difficult than what I am facing.

Lu&Phoeb & Toni, it's the impact on charity that I find most distressing. That, plus the impact on those who are working, but in very low paying service sector jobs, who will lose income they can't afford to lose when people like me cut back. I feel for them, and it is sad.

Lisa, one gets the impression the government is a tad out of touch, huh!

Kent, I'm glad you stopped by. We are apparently living in the beginning of a new era of frugality, even among those still employed. To your last point, I really like it when people who are not lacking ask for charitable contributions instead of a gift.

Catamite, thanks...I'm glad you stopped by.
I had to leave my university when the new Dean decided I could no longer work from home (all I did was e-mail and phones), where I take care of Mom. She was one of those "let's meet about everything" administrators. She suggested I put Mom in a 'home' (those are never really homes), or decide not to work any more. I've gone from $6K/mo to $-1600/mo, and that will run out soon. So will the insurance. So I know how you feel. But I won't NOT take care of what I must in order to pull down a big monthly bag o' cash. If necessary, I'll pick berries come summer to afford Depends.
m.a.h., ironically I recently heard a program on NPR in which it was mentioned that during the Great Depression, the movie industry was one of the few sectors of the economy that was largely unaffected by the economic collapse. Of course, that was an industry still largely in its infancy. Now that it is in a mature stage, with tickets at the theater running $10, and people looking for areas to cut back (think cable TV), that may not be the case this time.
Catamite, that's a hot button for me, too. I've worked out of my home for most of the last 20 years. It speaks to the insecurity and lack of trust on the part of management that they can't see the benefit of letting a good employee work from home. It's good for morale, saves money, and helps the environment.
Yeah, they've replaced me with three people. Twice.
Catman - In re your administrator, the one thing I've learned from my many-splintered "career" about administrators: Shit Floats.
Yeah, well...She got Dean and I didn't...
Like I said, you ain't shit. And I mean that in the best way possible.
That was a sobering list, particularly since I've made similar cutbacks (in some cases, identical).
How you are managing fine inspite of the adversity.

Its true, the butterfly effect.
a small suggestion: talk to your butcher. I bet he can supply lower cost cuts, with less fat, wastage & packaging than the chain tore & he needs the business a lot more.

thanks for the honesty & moving post.
Steve, you are right.

My premature post mis-understood the point of yours and on rereading it, I get the context in which you wrote, which I should have got the first time around. So for my surly comment, I apologize. The point that your job loss has consequences is a valid one and I jumped past it in my quickness to respond.

I don't think you're right in referring to it as "trickle down" economics, which rings unnecessary political bells (as evidenced by the Reagan mentions in subsequent comments) and isn't accurate regarding that particular economic philosophy.

Of course a belt-tightening for one means a belt tightening for those once included in the first belt, and so on. But this is the nature of economics, period, the nature of survival.

Again, sorry for the loss of your job and for my original comment.
John, thanks...you are a gentleman! The truth is, after seeing how this post was described on the OS cover, it is natural that you would have had preconceived notions of my intent which could color your interpretation on an initial reading.

Your point is well taken as to the use of the charged term "trickle down economics" -- I could have elaborated a bit on that to make it clear I was not speaking of it in the Reaganesque sense, but in the sense that individual spending cuts trickle down throughout the economy.
Your story is sobering. Imagine half of that 2.4 million population never having had the luxuries you once enjoyed and where they stand now...... It IS going to get worse and you have to be blind and ignorant to think it won't. Best wishes to you and your family.
I recognized so much of myself in your post. I got kicked to the curb last November, and my spending habits have changed tremendously. Every reach into the wallet is accompanied by a question. I think there is an upside to this -- that it's making me a more aware and conscious consumer able to do without what's not necessary. (or so I tell myself).

I've been musing on all this in the blog I started the day I was let go: firedfornow.com

Yes, we are writing about it :)
I have stopped laughing now. It wasn't mean laughter, Procopius, just rueful. Seriously -- you had to PUT OFF living room furniture YOU REALLY NEEDED? You mean "needed" like "needed my insulin for my diabetes?" or like "needed my daily half-caf fat free latte?"

Your bio suggests you aren't even actually unemployed, but got a layoff notice last month and have "three weeks left". And after that, maybe six months of severance pay and health insurance, and then NINE months of unemployment pay -- right? And let me guess: your wife works at a decent job still, you have money from an employment savings plan or maybe a small inheritance. You can't be seriously worried if one of your FIRST sacrifices is a "baseball mural on your son's bedroom wall".

There are people out there who don't have anything to eat, or who will be evicted in the New Year and out on the street. They'd give anything to have a '99 car with less than 100K on the odometer -- because then they'd have something to live in. It wouldn't even have to run!

You are awfully smug. I guess it's nice to feel that secure, to be able to lecture people about "only eating out every other week", when many of us can't eat out EVER.

You are living in a dream world, where this actually seems like deprivation. Maybe you are lucky and nothing seriously bad will ever happen to you! I certainly hope so because you clearly haven't a clue about what "cutting back" really entails.
Laurel, I think you misread the intent of the post. What I am trying to say is that my modest cutbacks, while insignificant, become very significant when magnified 2.4 million times. I am not soliciting sympathy for myself, but for the small businessman who runs the butcher shop, for the waiter whose tips are disappearing, for charitable foundations who must make do with far less, for the furniture salesman whose compensation is plummeting, and for the unemployed man who would like to earn 20 bucks by shovelling my driveway, but who I cannot hire anymore. I guess I needed to be a little clearer on the intent of the post.
I really don't understand why some are attacking the post. Procopius is simply making the point that cutting back on certain items effects so many other people, charities, and businesses.

Do we really need to be destitute and living out of our cars before we are allowed to be absolutely *pissed off* at how the last 30 years has altered this country's wealth distribution? Must we be living under a bridge before we can scream and holler that the middle class is disappearing?

I think we all realize we here at OS are fortunate compared to others who can't afford a computer or who don't know how to blog. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss how this is all effecting us, even those of us who are still employed .
Laurel

Steve can take care of himself, but I had fallen into the same trap your post suggests. It's not that Steve is complaining about what he can or can't buy, enjoy or can't enjoy, only that he is pointing out that by NOT buying the mentioned items, giving to charities and cutting back on certain things, other people's jobs and well being are being affected because of it, e.g., the tips a waiter would be getting from him from eating out several times a week. Multiply that by other Steves and the waiter might be himself out of a job, or unable to pay his rent or whatever.
Does the person with a chronic hip problem that impairs their mobility and quality of less deserving of feeling badly than the person in need of a liver transplant?

Does the person with insulin-dependent diabetes less deserving of our understanding than the blind person with the working dog?

Does the person with restless leg syndrome not even deserving of acknowledgment next to the person in a wheelchair?

All of our experience is relative as is sacrifice and hardship.
Thanks to everyone for their comments on this post. I hope that the spirit of the post is clear, that it is not to garner sympathy for me, but to illustrate the cumulative effect of one person's loss of a job. When one middle class man loses a job, it impacts many. That's the situation that confronts us in these difficult times.
Steve, your point was perfectly clear to me. Because my grandfathers and great grandfathers made their livings as plumbers, mechanics, and so on, your point about putting money in other people's pockets when you spend it - that's an article of faith in my family, that while it's good to be cautious with your money, it's good to help someone earn a living as well.

As for Laurel962, she posts letters under the same name at Salon.com, and there's a long and rich seam of hostility to people whom she perceives as being over-paid, frivolous, or otherwise not hardworking midwestern volk - especially coastal zone inhabitants who have the audacity to suggest that public transport and other alternatives to the car are a good thing, but that's hardly her only area of scorn.