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FEBRUARY 13, 2009 7:47AM

Remembering Dresden on the Anniversary of the Firestorm

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Hell arrived in the city of Dresden on February 13, 1945, at exactly thirty seconds past 10:10 PM.  At that moment a squadron of British de Havilland Mosquito fighter-bombers dropped bright red targeting flares over the German city.  Two and a half minutes later, with the Mosquitos already bound for home, the first wave of British Lancaster heavy bombers began releasing their massive loads of high explosives and incendiary bombs.  Before that night, Dresden had remained virtually unscathed by five and a half years of war.  After that night, the beautiful city became a lasting symbol of the brutality of twentieth century warfare.

 

 

It may become desirable in the immediate future to apply the whole of the strategic bomber effort to the direct attack on German morale… 

Immense devastation could be produced if the entire attack was concentrated on a single big town other than Berlin and the effect would be especially great if the town was one hitherto relatively undamaged. 

Sir Charles Portal, Marshall of the Royal Air Force

 

 

 

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As the capital of Saxony, Dresden was a city rich in culture, but poor in military targets.  So impressive were its baroque architecture and world-class museums that the city was called the Elbeflorenz, Florence on the Elbe River.  To be sure, there were a few potential military targets.  That was to be expected in any large German city.  It was a railroad hub.  The Gestapo maintained a regional headquarters there.  British and American intelligence officials claimed a poison gas plant existed on the outskirts of the city.  But unlike Berlin or Hamburg or Munich or the great cities of the Rhine and Ruhr valleys, there were no great weapons manufacturing facilities, no oil refineries, no obvious targets for Allied bombs.  Consequently, Dresdners were almost complacent in their assumption that they would be immune to the apocalypse that greeted them that night.

 

The first wave of bombing ended just eight minutes after it commenced.  But the terror was only beginning.  254 Lancasters had dropped 875 tons of explosives, including 375 tons of incendiary bombs.  The combustible stew of magnesium, phosphorus, and petroleum jelly quickly turned Dresden’s timbered Old Town into an inferno.  The fire’s intensity grew, and temperatures over the flames approached 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.  The heat caused the air to rise quickly, forcing cooler air nearby to rush into the vacuum.  Oxygen was sucked out of the basement bomb shelters where the terrified populace sought cover.  Soon, hurricane force winds were blowing into the fires from all directions. 

 

 

We saw terrible things: cremated adults shrunk to the size of small children, pieces of arms and legs, dead people, whole families burnt to death, burning people ran to and fro, burnt coaches filled with civilian refugees, dead rescuers and soldiers, many were calling and looking for their children and families, and fire everywhere, everywhere fire, and all the time the hot wind of the firestorm threw people back into the burning houses they were trying to escape from. I cannot forget these terrible details. I can never forget them. 

Lothar Metzger, recalling in 1999 his experiences as a child in Dresden  

 

As breathing became more and more difficult in the oxygen-deprived shelters, civilians covered themselves in blankets and jackets doused in water, and emerged into the raging firestorm.  Some were sucked into the flames by the high winds.  Others collapsed from the carbon monoxide laden air.  The lucky ones made it to the Elbe, where they waited out the inferno caused by that first wave of bombers.  Only a few made it that far, however, before the next wave of Lancasters arrived.

 

 It was my practice never to leave my seat, but my skipper called me on this occasion to come and have a look.  The sight was indeed fantastic.  From some 20,000 feet, Dresden was a city with every street etched in fire. 

Navigator from No. 3 Lancaster Group 

 

This time, target sighting flares were unnecessary.  Crews aboard the second bomber group noticed a vague orange glow on the horizon while they were still 200 miles away. Slowly, the realization dawned that the distant glow was in fact their target.  60 miles away the flames themselves were visible from 20,000 feet.  At 1:30 AM the next round of explosives and incendiaries hit the burning city.  This time, incendiaries comprised 75% of the tonnage dropped.  The planes passed over obvious targets, like the railroad yards and the industrial outskirts of town, but they did not drop their load there.  Just as was the case three hours earlier, the target was the Altstadt and its environs, the historical inner city where the bulk of the population lived.

 

 

The elephants gave spine-chilling screams. The baby cow elephant was lying in the narrow barrier-moat on her back, her legs up in the sky. She had suffered severe stomach injuries and could not move. A cow elephant had been flung clear across the barrier moat and the fence by some terrific blast wave, and stood there trembling. I had no choice but to leave these animals to their fate.

I had known for one hour now that the most difficult task I could ever bring was facing me. "Lehmann, we must get to the carnivores," I called. We did what we had to do, but it broke my heart.

Otto Sailer-Jackson, Dresden Zoo Keeper

 

The flames were still raging out of control as the second raid dropped its lethal load.  Those who had fled the oxygen starved shelters were caught outdoors as the explosions resumed.  Among the city landmarks indiscriminately hit was the renowned Dresden Zoo.  Panicked animals, many badly burned and injured, joined the throngs of panicked civilians struggling to escape the firestorm.  Police shot and killed what suffering animals they could, while the zoo keepers stayed behind to kill the large carnivores that had not yet escaped from their enclosures.  The disaster that hit Dresden that night was not limited to human inhabitants.

 

A third wave of bombers arrived at noon on February 14.  This time it was American B-17’s and B-24’s, but the payload was similar.  If the resulting devastation was less, it was only because there was much less left of the city to destroy.  Because of the thick cover of smoke, it was also difficult for the Americans to spot their targets, but their bomb bays were nevertheless emptied as planned.  The Dresden fire spread northward to areas of the city that had been spared the previous night.

 

 

Building after building was a burnt out ruin.  Down here by the river, where many people were moving or resting on the ground, masses of empty, rectangular cases of stick incendiary bombs stuck out of the churned up earth.  Fires were still burning in many of the buildings.  At times, small and no more than a bundle of clothes, the dead were scattered across our path.  The skull of one had been torn away, the top of the head was a dark red bowl.  Once an arm lay there with a pale, quite fine hand, like a model made of wax…Crowds streamed unceasingly between these islands, past the corpses and smashed vehicles, up and down the Elbe, a silent, agitated procession. 

Victor Klemperer, Jewish resident of Dresden  

 

A small number of Jewish residents still lived in Dresden, awaiting their deportation to the concentration camps.  The Nazi block wardens knew who the Jews were within their jurisdiction.  Jews were forbidden entry into the bomb shelters.  In the chaos of the firestorm many Jewish residents tore the yellow Star of David from their clothing and fled to neighborhoods where they would not be recognized.  If they survived the conflagration, they could blend into the general population, and take shelter wherever possible.

 

No one knows how many died in Dresden on February 13-14.  Initial German reports claimed Allied “terror bombs” had killed more than 200,000.  This was likely an exaggeration publicized for propaganda.  Contemporary British reports claimed the number was closer to 20,000.  That figure is probably too low.  Most current historians say the death toll was at least 25,000, and possibly as much as 135,000.

 

 

The mutilated and charred corpses whose heads had been burnt off or crushed could be counted just as little as those who had been cremated alive in the firestorm, and of whom nothing remained but a scattered heap of ashes. 

Chief Gardener of the Heide-friedhof cemetery 

 

There are several reasons for the uncertainty over the death toll.  First, no one really knows how many people lived in Dresden at the time of the attack.  The city was flooded with homeless refugees fleeing the Soviet army, less than 100 miles to the east.  Others had come to Dresden from cities like Berlin and Hamburg, after their homes had been destroyed by Allied bombs there.  Close to 30,000 prisoners of war were housed in the city.  Before the war, Dresden was home to about 650,000 residents.  By early 1945, the population may have been close to 1 million, but no one knows for sure.

 

Of course, the other reason for uncertainty regarding the actual death toll is the fact that many bodies were so dismembered or incinerated that they simply were not identifiable as individual human remains.

 

Dresden was not the only city to suffer a firestorm during the war.  Much of Hamburg was destroyed the previous year in a similar firestorm.  Lesser conflagrations hit Berlin and Cologne, and one as deadly as any in Europe hit Tokyo the following month.  What sets Dresden apart from these other catastrophes is the fact that its firestorm was not the result of collateral damage.  In Dresden, the firestorm was the objective.  It was a punitive strike to wreak havoc and break the spirit of the civilian population.  It was also a message intended for Soviet leaders that British and American air power was capable of delivering massive destruction deep into what was becoming a new Soviet sphere of influence.  The Dresden strike achieved little, however, from a strictly military perspective.  Before long, the devastation it wreaked became a useful propaganda tool employed by the Soviet Union and its East German allies to discredit Western claims of moral superiority during the Cold War.

 

 

It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, should be reviewed.  Otherwise we shall come in control of an utterly ruined land. 

Winston Churchill, March 1945 

 

In all the years of World War II, civilian deaths in the United Kingdom resulting from German air strikes totaled about 65,000.  That is the total for the entire war.  It is conceivable that an equal number or more were killed in a single 24 hour period in Dresden, just ten weeks before Germany’s capitulation. 

 

World War II has been called “The Good War” for its clarity of purpose.  There were clear “good guys” and clear “bad guys” (although one of the bad guys was on our side).  But there is no such thing as a “good war.”  There may be just wars, and there may be necessary wars, but there are no “good” wars.  The events of February 13-14, 1945 prove that.

 

 

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For anyone interested in seeing a re-creation of the terrible events of Feb. 13-14, 1945, I would highly recommend the 2006 German television production "Dresden" (sometimes called "Dresden: The Inferno"). It is a dramatization focusing on a single family (and includes a love story), and the climax, set during the air strike, is amazing. Check blockbuster.com or netflix.
What horror. Thanks for the history, Steve. My only reading about this has been at one remove, in Kurt Vonnegut's novel.
A wonderful retrospective on a dismal event in history Steve.
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Thanks Rob. Of course, Vonnegut was one of the 30,000 POW's in Dresden at the time of the attack, and had to help retrieve the dead afterwards.

Greg, thanks. I'm glad you stopped by.
Steve, your post is another reminder of the horrific costs of war. Many have wondered if Hitler had been accepted at the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts if the course of history would have been dramatically different and Dresden would not have been turned into an inferno. Thanks for posting this most interesting account!
Riveting, and concise. I am deeply moved by this incredible post.
It is a matter of definition.....the label associated with this act, that defines it as pure terrorism. With the distance from the war over time, we can take this perspective; Churchill, however, called it for what it truly was at the time: state sanctioned terrorism, and he questioned it's necessity in the context of Germany's obvious slide toward defeat.

I agree......there are no "good wars." I have loved and admired Studs Terkel for many years, but I bristled a little at the title of his famous book of interviews given the above name. I hope the power of titles and casual slogans do not undermine the seriousness of world conflicts in the minds of our young folks.

Seriously powerful piece of writing Procopius..
thank you
powerful and thought provoking Steve. As important as Slaughterhouse 5 was in its assault on our sensibilities, it could never match the horrific reality for those on the ground. War can be soulless indeed.
John, I suspect you are right -- history could have been hugely impacted. Even if he had attended the academy and failed in the profession, he might have missed the moment when events came together to make possible his rise to power.

Gary, I'm honored by compliments from an artist and writer of your talent. Thank you. When I lived in Germany in 1981, I still heard resentment from Germans about the Dresden strike. They certainly considered it an act of terrorism.

Barry, I wanted to portray the horror on the ground, but the only way I could really accomplish that was to quote those who were actually there. "Soulless" is a fitting description. Thanks.
I've only read about this event in history classes in HS and college. I mourned the loss of a beautiful city then. You recitation really gets to the heart of what happened. I never realized about the bomb shelters being deprived of oxygen which forced people out into the streets.

There is no good war. So true.
Among those who order or commit such acts, only the 'losers' are held to account. The 'winners' are hailed as heroes.

Will mankind NEVER outgrow this madness?!!
Kaysong, normally bomb shelters would have been a relatively safe refuge. In an extreme firestorm, however, they became deathtraps. Thousands of bodies were found in shelters during the cleanup, victims of asphyxiation.
Larry, in answer to your question, I suspect not.
The innocent civilians always seem to bear the brunt or war's brutality but in all honesty I think you'll find very few people, particularly in Europe who will feel any sympathy for the suffering of the German people during WW II.
Coogan: Unquestionably, the Germans brought their suffering on themselves. But I'm not one who would say our own tactics were at times faultless. Since WWII, indiscriminate bombing has more often than not proven to be ineffective or even counter-productive.
Thanks for this Procopius. I live in Germany myself, in Berlin, and it was the 'on the ground' stories from the older folk in this city that helped me understand just how substantial the destruction was. These quotes are nothing short of devastating. Events like this are so very complicated and they deserve a little more attention than they perhaps get. Thanks again...
Hollywood could never invent a horror movie that surpasses the reality of Dresden. Thanks for reminding me of this anniversary.
Excellent writing. Dresden was a horror story to end all horror stories, except it didn't. This kind of "break the will of the populace" type of warfare has existed since the history of warfare - one finds even in Thucydides the idea of starving a population out as a means of winning a war. Our own Civil War produced Sherman, hero to the north, criminal to the south, but one who's actions most certainly helped precipitate the fall of the Confederacy. And he was able to name it for what it was - "War is Hell."
rated for the writing and history. Thank you.
I'm another who first read about the firestorm in Slaughterhouse 5. It thoroughly pissed me off that none of my HS history books or teachers, or any books those teachers recommended, mentioned the horror of the bombing.

Thank you for the post. Your writing, the quotes and photos are riveting.
I read Klemperer's diaries --incredible!!
Visited Dresden in 2000. It was rebuilt, mostly. Exceptional. But much remained destroyed. Most citizens I spoke with seemed more sad than angry.
Thank you so much for this reminder.
Procopius,
No one does history with more immediacy and emotional impact than you. And I love the fact that you present it with the lessons to be learned, esp about the futility of war.
Like Rob, my knowlwedge comes from Voneguts' novel. It appeared to be the defining moment of his life.
bless you
I find it very difficult to read stories like this, but it's also very important to read stories like this. You are an excellent writer. The description and pictures are horrific. I appreciate you taking the time to educate others about the importance of remembering history. Thank you.
at least, when similar horrors were rained on japan, the west could claim to be an 'unprejudiced' mass murderer.

it was war, the prize was survival, no holds barred on either side. but when the issue was clear to both sides, experiments in mass destruction were immoral and in clear contravention of what we lightly call the 'rules' of war. if the west was no worse than their enemies, neither were they any better.
About six or seven years ago my wife was involved in producing the Berlin Air Show. (She helped raise the funds to put it on.) We'd always wanted to visit the city, especially East Berlin where I wanted to visit the grave of Bertolt Brecht.

We were on our way walking, when above us a squadron of B-17's (I believe they were) appeared in the sky. Somebody who didn't know any better with the airshow had authorized the flight.

The Germans looked up into the sky with horror on their faces, and some old men and women screamed and ran for cover. How stupid can these "technos" be? Their idea was to show off their planes, forgetting entirely what their mission had been. If things like this don't actually happen, it might be hard to believe.
This is an excellent article. The horror of war is something we must never forget. The reality of these horrors through the eyes of witnesses and survivors truly brings the events to life.

My Mum (sadly no longer with us) was an air raid warden in nearby Rugby in England when the Germans fire-bombed Coventry. She would often vividly describe the glow of the fires that raged that night 15 miles away as seen from the rooftops.
This is so hard to read but important to remember. I've always found this a particularly horrifying piece of history. Children have no say in a war. I think of my own kids safe in their beds at night, and know that German mothers tucked their babies into bed and sang them lullabies, too. What happened to those babies, those children, can't really be justified.
I'm another who first learned of this from Vonnegut, unspeakable horror, cold-blooded mass murder, war empowers the very worst of humanity
Using historical events as a backdrop for fiction is often powerful, but the facts stated plainly without drama can be so effective as well. Thanks for this post, Steve. Perhaps it will come as no surprise to you that we are fans of bibliographies, and would appreciate any references you might like to list for your historical posts.
A chilling reminder of the atrocities of war. That our children and grandchildren are not being taught about these 'details' is telling, indeed. It is up to each of us to put war in perspective for our families (if that is possible).

The part about the animal victims brings out yet another level of horror. Elephants, of all the animals, with such amazing brains; I can only imagine them wondering when people are going to learn not to kill each other.

Am very worried about our ramp-up in Afghanistan, seriously wondering how to get my teenaged grandson (and the rest of my grandkids, all younger) out of this hellbent country if things go to shit. There has NEVER been a 'good' war, a 'just' war. I agonize over our troops overseas, bring them back home, now!
It was only after I read ‘Slaughterhouse-5’ in junior high school that I asked my father about the Dresden firebombing. Shortly after November 15th, 1938, his mother and father had sent him and his brother off from their home in Wiesbaden to a boy’s home in England, courtesy of the Rothschild family and the kindertransport. He had much to tell me. And I think that was when I began my interest in history.

But reading history is only as good as the writer telling the story – and this was a wonderful telling. Thank you.
The intercutting of the matter of fact historical account with first hand testimony both compels and disturbs. Really powerful reportage. It puts much of contemporary journalism to shame. You force us to remember that the manifest virtues of a cause are no immunity against the commission of war crimes.
That was an excellently written summation of the Dresden raid, much of which I'd never heard before.
Thanks for reminding us.
"poor in military targets"
Actually, there were NO military targets.
A War Crime, pure and simple was "Slaughterhouse Five"
One of many consciously conducted against civilians (eg Tokyo fire bombing), however, "winners" never go to the Hague.
Despicable. War sucks, even when it's directed against the warriors, but to bomb, kill and burn innocents is moral evil in its purest form. Too many acts of unnecessary violence take place in war - Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, My Lai, Haditha, Sudan, Darfur, and of course Auschwitz and the rest of the Nazi prison camps. Huamnity is just packed full of inhumane acts, isn't it? Rated for the sorrow of inhumane acts
I agree with David Decker "But reading history is only as good as the writer telling the story "

What's so good about this is that you remove this THING WE DID from the realm of abstractions and help us feel the horror.

There is a book that came out recently by Vonnegut's son that gives a non-fiction look at the horror---Vonnegut's letters home and such---before he wrote the book.

Thank you for reminding us of this episode in our history that we and future generations must never, ever forget.
I remember when, just before leaving for the Air Force, The San Francisco Legion of Honor Museum hosted an unprecedented exhibit of the recovered treasures of Dresden. Those treasures had never traveled to America before, and I haven't heard of such an exhibit in America since then.

One of the treasures was Otto Dix's tryptich. I will never forget the horror juxtaposed against such incredible treasure: diamonds as big as a plum, a pearl so huge that it was made into a sculpture of a hunchbacked clown.

Here's Otto Dix (scroll down to bottom of page, then you can click on one or two of the panels in the tryptych).

http://www.tendreams.org/dix.htm

Four years later, I just had to go to Europe and to live there before I died. Just reading about people who could cause, and live through such horror wasn't going to sustain me at all.

I was stationed in Germany outside of Trier. I will never forget my home there. I'm homesick now. My landlady would take me into the forest and show me how they either had to live on the wild greens and strawberries and animals there, or starve.

I never got to go to the Eastern Bloc parts of Germany...too much hassle with a Top Secret clearance. But it was a complete part- time job just to see the parts of Germany and Europe that I was able to see.

Thank you for your detailed and stunning description of the Bombing of Dresden.
Extraordinary writing. Almost a report but with keenly timed insight for raising the right questions at the right time.

For me war is always an evil. Sometimes perhaps a necessary one and I do believe if the option is annihilation of our nation or to fight, then fight we must. But winning a war by any means does not do it for me.

War may be necessary in some cases, but not all tactics are acceptable, which is why we have things like the Geneva Conventions, sometimes as inept and ineffective as they are, which seek to delimit the most foul means of warfare.

There are no easy answers, but at some point those who see themselves as noble must pause and ask if what they do is even more than ignoble, and if it amounts to murder and terror. For me both Dresden and the A bomb attacks on Japan rise to that definition.

I am old enough to remember when these events were discussed in high school and the ethical issues were, even then, in the early 50s, difficult to grapple with. But we tried, and my feelings which developed out of those discussions have changed little since then. They are more nuanced, perhaps, but fundamentally are based on the same in the moral imperatives I see as necessary to make difficult judgment calls.

Monte
Thank you for this post.
sweet jesus, proco. i have read things, but never grasped the extent before. i now understand my favorite author, kurt v, so much better. that last picture is bonechilling.
Very moving and sad. You really worked in an array of perspectives.
Thank you for this. We must never forget what war really is and how great the toll of needless suffering. Rated a million times over.
Steve, once again you have brought history to life. This is not one of America's proudest moments.

The information about the Zoo reminded me of the book "Setting Free The Bears," by John Irving, although I'm not sure why: It focuses on the Tiergarten Schönbrunn in Vienna, the world's oldest public zoo. The zoo was bombed by the Allies shortly after the Dresden firestorm, and resulted in the deaths of ~50% of the zoo's 3000 animals, and the destruction pf much of the park's infrastructure. I guess the mixture of zoo and bombing in each is what made the connection for me.
this broke my heart. THANK YOU for posting it.
Pro-
Have over 1,000 books in my library on WW II and the European theater. One of the most devastating bombings of the war. Bomber Harris lost his command over it and eventually committed suicide. He commandeered the tragedy and was responsible. The only one who really profited from the atrocity was Kirk Vonnegut as he watched the devastation from a concrete “Slaughterhouse 5” where they housed prisoners of war.

But there is another link to this story. Roy was a friend of mine. He ran a plumbing business in NJ. He was a vet of WW II. Tried to get him to tell some stories but he never opened up. Eventually he told me a little bit. This is only a part of what he would discuss…

He was the bombardier engineer on an American B-24 Liberator. He ran the 3rd daylight-bombing wave over Dresden. There was no resistance, no flak. He said he remembers tripping the lever for the bombs to disengage and float downward. He knew that in minutes innocent men, women and children would die. Lots of them.

He did lots of runs over Germany targeting ball-bearing factories and oil production centers. Once even losing his balance and hanging on the catwalk with the bomb bay doors wide open 12,000 ft above Germany.

He never told me much more. I wanted to get it on tape but he wouldn’t allow it.

His daughter, Roi, told me he had spent his entire life drinking to forget those days over Dresden and all the other German cities.

He died a few years ago taking all the secrets of the war with him. In the end his gut was as extended due to the years of drinking as the bombs he dropped. The war claimed another victim.

RIP- Roy…
After that night, the beautiful city became a lasting symbol of the brutality of twentieth century warfare. A ghastly reminder of inhumanity. A gripping read.
All right! With this post and ramjet2's reply, I'm bookmarking this, a rare addition to my "OS finds!"
I apologize for not being able to reply to all of the comments that have been made on this post. I have been out of town in a rather remote part of the country and am only now able access the Internet. I'm really overwhelmed at the response, and am glad it has been received as well as it has, and in the spirit with which it was intended.

In doing some research prior to writing this essay, I came across several first-hand accounts that mirrored what RAMJET2 describes. It is easy to forget that those who are ordered to do the unthinkable can be victims, too.
I had read about this before in Vonnegut and elsewhere, but yours is an excellent account of the horrifying truth. We also did the same thing in Japan, firebombing wooden population centers, prior to dropping the A-Bomb. Impossible to calculate how many died in the last year or so of WWII. This is why I cringe at talks of "limited" war. When a war goes badly, there is but one option: Escalation. Kill faster. Then faster again.
Procopius,

this is a good overview of Dresden's destruction, but there are some points that I contest.

1. Dresden was fully integrated into the Nazi war machine, like all German cities. It was no longer just a cultural city, but part of the war machine. It was Saxony's capital, a major communications and command centre. There were over 120 high-level defence factories within the city, making everything from precision optics (used in bombsights and artillery), to torpedo parts to general weapons. These factories were spread throughout the city limits, and included prewar marzipan factories, piano factories, etc, that had all converted to armaments manufacture.

2. Latest estimates of the death toll are at about 25,000 - about the same as the original German tallies from 1945. Still a lot of people, but it was Goebbels, who wanted to terrify the German populace into a last ditch effort, who inflated the death toll by a factor of 10. And fellow travellers like David Irving who later spread the inflated figures, which, unfortunately, influenced the likes of Kurt Vonnegut and so spread into cultural belief.

Everyone had to be fed, which meant that ration cards and other ID papers were required, including those of refugees, both before and after the raid. It was chaotic, so an exact number will never be known, but it was not the massacre Irving and others portrayed.

3. Dresden was really a raid that went right for the RAF. A large reason for the death toll from the attack was the incompetence of the local Gauleiter: unlike virtually every other city in Germany, Dresden had practically no civil defence infrastructure such as extensive shelters or evacuation plans. The Gauleiter, a Nazi official, did have a tremendous shelter built for himself, though.

Most of the flak had been moved in the preceding weeks or months, which is why it did not affect the raids.

I do have a personal interest in the Dresden raid, so I've read extensively on it; my cousin was a 97 squadron (5 Group) Pathfinder navigator on the raid, part of Flare Force 1, which illuminated the city for the Mosquito Pathfinders. I'd love to have asked him about the raid, but he and his crew went missing five weeks later when targeting the Bohlen oil refinery, and never since found.
I'd just like to correct something that Ramjet 2 said - Harris did not commit suicide, he died on April 5, 1984 at the age of 92.
Brett, I agree that in mobilization for total war, factories in cities like Dresden certainly had been refitted to support the war effort. However, the bombs that were dropped, particularly in the first two raids, were not targeting those factories, nor were they targeting the railroad yards. I think Dresden was the ultimate manifestation of Sir Charles Portal's idea that the war could be brought to a speedier end with massive bombing raids intended to produce civilian terror and desperation. He may have been right about that, but I'm not convinced. Indiscriminate bombing has been counterproductive in many conflicts, including Vietnam, and may have been counterproductive in Germany, too.

The death toll of 25,000 is certainly reasonable, and you are correct that many historians support a number much closer to the lower end of the possible spectrum than the upper end. I'm not sure we'll ever really know, since we don't know how many people were in Dresden at the time. Many reliable sources still place the toll much higher than 25,000, and there is some recent push back against the lower number. That could be politically motivated, but nevertheless shows the total casualty count is disputed. That's why I gave the broad range of 25,000 - 135,000. That is an argument I won't engage in, so I simply show the range that I have read in various sources.

I believe the best justification for the Dresden raid is that Churchill and Roosevelt promised Stalin at Yalta that US/British air power would demolish potential German defensive positions facing the Soviet advance. The destruction of Dresden was part of fulfilling that pledge.

Regardless, I appreciate your comments, which illustrate that there is a lot we don't know, and that history is certainly not an exact science.
Add my father to the list of victims on the victors' side of the "Good War". As a WWII bombardier, dad flew hundreds of missions in Europe (mostly over France, I believe) and only very late in his life did us kids realize what a tortured soul he was because of his actions there. For years I mistakenly assumed his lack of "war stories" meant he saw little action, but since his passing in 2000, the grandkids have related tales from granddad that are astounding. This report (and comments) helps fill in some blanks. Thanks for sharing it.
Friday I was at the library looking for DVDs. I spied, Slaughterhouse 5, a movie I hadn't seen since the early 1970s and I checked it out, viewing in later in the evening. How strange it was for me to read your post tonight and find my library trip was on the Anniversary.

The movie doesn't even scratch the surface.. What a horrible thing to do because we wanted to prove a point. Why didn
't they do it where Hitler lived. Now that would have been a point.
I read a book about Dresden when I was much too young to read something like that - I still remember the pictures of burned corpses, and the hulks of smoking buildings - the ruin of everything. For years and years this is what I pictured when they talked about hell at Church. I appreciated this post, and I think I'll go back and re-edify myself about the events of these days. I'll start with your recommendation "Dresden: The Inferno".

It's posts like these that make me especially sure that OS is a really unique place on the Internet. I'm glad you are blogging here!
resistance, it's interesting that I've heard of other veterans who found it easier to share their difficult stories with grandchildren than with their own children.

Ric, that's an interesting coincidence, indeed!

Sandra, a compliment from you is high praise! Thank you. I think you would appreciate "Dresden: The Inferno". It was very well done.
Steve, as ever a concise but telling account, with great moral clarity. And yet... one doesn't want to fall prey to misplaced and anachronistic impulses for revenge, but it's not like Rotterdam and countless villages and towns in the Ukraine or Russia were exactly military targets. The Allied bombings of Dresden, Tokyo, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki clearly would have been war crimes had the Allies lost, but my hesitation in declaring immoral equivalency is rooted in Nanking and Bergen-Belsen.

Perhaps that, in its way, underlines the true horror of the Second World War: that episodic punishment of civilian populations, criminal by any measure, could still be dwarfed by deliberate, sustained, and in the case of the Germans systematized brutality on an epic scale.
Haggis, I'm glad to read your comment. I was hesitant to highlight the horror of the Dresden raid for the reasons you state. In no way do I suggest moral equivalency between the Allies (Stalin excepted) and Hitler's regime. One could not visit Dachau as I have on more than one occasion and come away thinking our actions were no different. Still, I think it is worthwhile not to sugar coat our own actions, especially at a time when we are talking about escalating another war on the other side of the globe. My point in highlighting Dresden is simply to remind readers of the utter horror of modern warfare., and remind readers, as well, that in the midst of war, even "the good guys" can commit acts that would be considered unspeakable during calmer times.
Steve, your point is very well taken, and I completely agree. My comment really was more indicative of the shortfall in my own empathy, not in the quality of your broader message.
Dresden was once my hometown. I lived thru the raids. I was 18 and going to nursing school before the war. Now I live in America. But, when firecrackers create such loud noise, it brings back scary and bad memories for me, I saw many of my friends die. Coffee Frau
Coffee Frau, thank you for your comment. I hope future generations will never experience anything like you, and so many others of your generation did.