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APRIL 20, 2009 10:53PM

Why Do We Send Each Other Notices of Each Posting?

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Why Do We Send Each Other Notices of Each Posting?

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It is Like Soup With A Soup Side Dish and a Soup Beverage

This is short and sweet and, it is not meant to be hostile. I love all my readers and all of those whose works I read, I just do not have as much time from spring through fall to do as much as I have been doing over the winter.

We have a notification system which allows us to see what our Favorites are writing every single day. Why, then do we send each other notices? I never did it until I started getting them and guess what? I don’t need those notices because I read the notices of posts that come up on my Blog page. I assume that those who made me a Favorite also know when I am writing.

I am not so caught up in the time consuming work of loading my message sender or posts, or in receiving the notices of posts of others which I can plainly see on my blog page.

As of today I send only emails to those off-site and will not read messages of posting because it is not necessary, it is a waste of time and energy. We are notified by the system. I will read messages people send to ask questions, or comments, which they do not want made public.

Therefore, there you have it. If you want to read, my stuff please look at the right-hand side bar of running posts as I do every day.

And please do not feel obligated to read everything I write, I cannot possibly rate and read everyone on my Favorites list every day, especially this time of year through fall when my schedule is so heavy. But, that maybe just me. I don't know, how about you?

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Pete, I have no problem getting these PM's telling me. I looked at my updates on the right hand side of my blog page and yours isn't showing. So I'm happy when you remind me. But that's me.
Part of the reason is because many people have many "favorites" (myself included) and the right side cannot possibly keep up with the number of posts that show up. If your list is short, no problem. If it's long, you will miss a lot of recent posts (unless of course, you go scrolling through the new tabs on the top and know what/who you are looking for). It is hard work. "W" should have tried it during his eight years......
Notices are okay as I tend to spend more time reading than opening my own blog page. Plus, I love to have messages in my inbox! That's just me. I'm wierd that way.

Either way is fine.
because Verbal told me too!
With the new format, you can go to the front page, click on "Most Recent", then click on the spinner to change it from "all" to "favorites". I think that most people don't realize there is that function now.
I like the notices. I don't always have time to read each and every reader I like for a few days and by that time the column has changed and I've missed their posts. So many people have been so kind to visit me and leave their comments, I like to return the same respect. So, for all of you that send me messages, please, don't stop.

And, out of respect for you.... I'll be more prudent in my notifications :)
I'm just pitiful. It's most of me mail.

Sometimes there are new people who blog call girl.

I hate to miss supporting people's good posts, even if it's just a rating.

I do understand that some people are just too busy to dredge through a lot of internal advertising, though.

Some folks add a note on the lines of "let me know if you don't want any more of these notices". That is the best way to give the recipients a choice.
I know 90% of my inbox are these messages. And they dont even have hyperlinks. It would be easier to just click on the names in the inbox and check the last piece rather than opening mail when I know what it is going to say anyway. I'm guilty of this as well.
I am not at all bothered to get notices of people's posts - I am not on here all the time and do tend to miss things - I probably need to weed out my favorites to just include people who most more often than not. But the PMs I get mean that I don't have to do that and, consequently, I don't miss as much as I otherwise might. So I do not mind the practice...but I really find the term blog pimping/whoring to be a little tiresome.
Hey t&d I didn't know that! Cool!
Well I've never been PC so I didn't know we did and don't plan on starting. It does irritate me though that there is no possible way to see what has been posted, except for the headline page, unless you click on each friend. And, since I add friends because their posts are interesting and how else to track them, I have amassed way too many to click on.
I like getting them because I can't always keep up with everything. But it is good to know people's preferences.
I may be repeating what others have said here, but I haven't read the comments yet. There are some people who have me listed as their favourite, but I don't have them linked. I love reading their posts. (Sooner or later they will wind up on my favourites list, but until then? I love the notices.)

Others use it as a way of drawing attention to a new writer, or a post they find significant. More often than not, I have not read what they are sending. But when I do? Mostly my mind is blown.

I love receiving notices, especially since my right hand bar doesn't always give the full post history. I don't always go to the cover page, and click on most recent, and then sort it by my favourites.

Receiving the notices are great for a lazy bum like me.
A number of people made some good justifications for sending out notices. So, I may have to reconsider. I certainly don't want people to take me off their Favorite's lists in order to avoid sending me notices.

tequilaanddonuts-(What a Combo!) Had a good idea, but I think I shall reconsider. I always thought I was a good chess player, seeing all the possibilities, but I sure missed that one: If people don't send me Notices then they have to take me off their list YIKES! I'd be here all alone! EEEEK!!
No, send me the messages send me food and water and a life raft or I shall be LOST at sea, like Bobby Darin, Beyond The Sea.
I bow to superior numbers and my own lack of logic send, send, send!
No, no, no.

Your first instincts were correct.

Actually, I don't mind the reminders (I've heard them referred to as whoring)...but I truly do not pay much attention. Each time I come on...I go through the "Most Recent" list on the Home Page. Doesn't take all that long.

I really would add to your original thoughts "Make the Headline Clear"...so those of us reading the Headline can make a reasonable decision as to whether or not we want to read the piece.
Frank;
I usually add the headline and sometimes a brief synopsis. Because the URL's are so long I just use the Blog URL, in my case:
http://open.salon.com/blog/professoremerituspab
That makes it easier for people to find it.
A appreciate the PMs because I'm not on here all the time (or even a lot, compared to some). Although I don't have all that many favourites, I still find I miss some posts unlesss I have said PM. So keep sending them out, 'K?

Meanwhile, thanks for the tip T&Q. I'm going to check it out now.
Bloody hell, when are we going to be able to edit our comments. That should be T&D. Anyway, it works, and tnx.
Boanerges1
PMs, T&Q, T&D, tnx????
I have never texted anyone so I do not know what those initials mean???
I don't send notices. I just keep adding favorites to my list and hope for the best. I get notices all the time. I have no problem with it. If I have time I read the blogs of the people who notify me. However, really, I am trying to lay back and enjoy OS as a wonderful opportunity to write, read, and connect. I don't want to get angst-ridden about it and I encourage others not to either. I love it when people read my blogs, but I would write them anyway no matter who read them! I really more enjoy reading the blogs of others because there is so much intelligence, good writing and good research on this site and it is satisfying to see it in one place. One of the things I also appreciate is the rampant sense of humor about the whole thing--so let's all keep that in mind! Meanwhile, I love your blog and I hope people love mine and I love a bunch of others and I am also happy to see my mailbox full.
By the grace of God, Pete, let us all carpe deum. Life is short! I love your blog! You can PM me any day as can anyone else!
Sorry, Prof. T&D is TequilaandDonuts. PMs are private messages -- alias e-mail on Open Salon. Tnx is thanks (old Teletype operator lingo).
I think that the favorites list for each user and the resulting 'who has an update' needs to be reworked somehow. Although it is probably better in the long run that it's like it is because it encourages people (ok, me) to read other posts that I perhaps wouldn't read.

Not every new post is read worthy. Heck, some of mine have escaped nearly unread. (I cleaned house and deleted a bunch of them). Maybe I shouldn't though, clean house that is... Another question for another time: to delete 'old' posts or not...
I like the notices, and they work for me because I can't get to all my favs every day! Plus, they run off the page too fast! But I'll keep checking in whether you send notices or not. Okay?
Heartily disagree. Most of us are new here and have no way to attract the kind of traffic that older posters do. We are posting along with Bill Maher, Lea, you, Saturn,Monte, Zuma etc! Sometimes it might be only the people you send notices to that actually read your post! Why not...maybe one of them actually likes it and rates it or comments on it to keep it alive on the front page. Why is that wrong?
But most of all Prof. if one did not want to read the mails all one has to do is hit the delete button. Its gone! PM is perhaps one of the most un-invasive way to advertise.
You are banishing us newbies to becoming virtual nonentities! If PM has been given to us by OS let us use it by all means. The meager side bar does nothing.
To all my PM contacts please keep sending me your posts and even if I dont get to them because of my job search which feeds and clothes me and mine, I will someday just like this one.
traveler1
I am afraid you are a bit offbase on this one. I have 0nly been here for six months and exactly how does my not sending notices to those on my list affect you? I did not begin this system and to my memory I only started getting notices a few months ago and for a long time only one person was sending Notices and by then I already had a list to which I never sent said notices. All one has to do is go to the cover page and one can see all the posts each day and choose which they wish to read. Sending out these notices has not changed either the number of people nor does it increase readership.

In fact those who have been here long not sending notices helps newer writers because then everyone has to go to the cover page to see what is up. I write on another site in which my very first article there drew 565 comments and 5600 reads and I knew NO ONE there.

Apparently you missed the comment where I reconsidered, but only because I was asked to, shall I now again reconsider and not send said notices? And further, why the hostility, this has been a friendly neighborly, community site, why the anger? It is not as though this is life, death or taxes?
As soon as I see multiple recipients, I generally just ignore/delete it. If I want something sent to multiple people with different tastes, I'll look on the cover.

People say I should tell them, but I find that act to be specifically antisocial and don't like being put in the position of doing it. It puts me in the position of saying something that could appear unintentionally mean.

If there is something specific to me, personal, that the person thinks is worth sending me mail about, that distinguishes it from "I just wrote another post", then I enjoy hearing from actual friends about things they actually know about me.

I actually expect the disk space problem at OS to become real at some point, too, because these messages must take a lot of space. The information content is usually barely more than a couple of bits, keeping track of who's read what and who's whose friend.

And, finally, I think sending personal mail encourages personal bonds to be created. Sending blast mail does not.

And doing this blast thing creates an escalation problem. It seems to work to get readers, so the people who do it often get a lot of ratings and a lot of visibility, while those of us who refuse to do it are left behind. Frankly, I resent that.

I think OS should simply turn off multiple recipients.
I don't mind much. But, as you say, it is increasingly difficult to get to each post. I don't like to visit without rating and commenting. It does get overwhelming! However, I make it an absolute point to visit those first who always take the time to visit me - regardless of whether they PM me or not. I hunt them down, find them and go from there. So much to do, so little time! :)
Kent Pittman:
I am in the process of consulting on the building of a site and I warned the owners that if they grow as fast as they expect, they will have a disk space problem as well, you are correct.
Screaming Moma:
I visit the sites as they come up on the right hand side of my blog of all my Favs each day. but this time of year, I am slowed by obligations, but read but often leave no message or if it is not something about which I am knowledgeable I simply say that.
Prof... never hostile simply hearty. Maybe I missed your PM when I wrote and simply voiced what I felt from the heart. You know I do think that sometimes because one cannot see the facial features of the commenter that one automatically presumes it is hostile. But if I offended I apologize.

Now that I read all the other comments quite a few have said what I did , I wonder what made you not see my un-writable smile. I only say this because I feel the danger of needless offense. have had this happen to me before thus wondering. Wonder if I should stay away from OS completely.
In any case , saw and heard Bill Nye the Science guy last night and am still under the cloud of enthusiasm for Science.
Traveller1:
I did see your Personal Message and then understood you were not intentionally trying to be hostile.

There is an art of carefully chosen words when commenting, which I also sometimes miss the mark on. However, what was a bit perplexing was that if there is any advantage for our Our-"older" writers here it IS sending out Notices. If they do not send them out, you have a better chance of people reading your stuff and the best way to do that is write things the audience here, which is mostly the other writers, like to read.

I would say, T1, that my writing is somewhere, at least here on OS, around the lower-middle to middle mark in popularity. On sites where the greater number of readers comes not from writers but from outside the base, it is in the far upper end of popularity.

Well, I don't hold grudges and because of a recent loss of my elder sister I have been a bit edgy lately, so don't take it to heart.
God Bless
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