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JULY 17, 2010 6:46AM

What Is Art?

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The Newsweek cover story for this week examines the issue of  "The Creativity Crisis."

 

If there is any truth to a decline in creativity in the U.S. it likely stems from a lack of value for the arts and a lack of healthy national discussion over the value of art itself in our society.

 

But the discussion almost always goes straight to:

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I like to go through it backwards, because I'm weird.

 

Renaissance art is soft-core porno. Or ... pornography is art. No cheap smut film can match a masterpiece, that's not what I am saying. It is just a matter of prudish mentalities that separates one form of nudity from another.

 

The truly obscene becomes a form of art all on its own. Even without the creator ever holding such an intent. It's really, really bad art. But what the SCOTUS defines "protected obscene speech" is bunk. The more obscene something becomes the more we should be taking cares not to expose young impressionable minds to this art, but I would defend it as free speech even when I find the expression itself downright immoral and disgusting.

 

I do draw some lines, however. The most recent example that helps to define my view of what art is would be the SCOTUS ruling on 'crush' films as protected. This violates my standard of harm being caused to living creatures for the sake of art, therefore I must stand opposed to protecting 'crush' films for they are not fictional animals being slaughtered for entertainment. This standard of mine applies to all art forms, as long as no harm is done in course of making your art I have no desire to shut you down even if you produce a product I find more than merely questionable in nature.

 

One example of 'questionable art' finding its way into American Culture would be the appearance of anime featuring a naked young vampire girl slaying people on Hulu and YouTube with partial white blurring over the scene. I found that single scene not only offensive but outrageous. However, I would be upset to hear of people trying to get the videos pulled for the crime of poor taste.

 

Art of value is able to invoke any topic and any feeling without being merely obscene, but I have always argued that the only way we will ever be able to discover and reveal the great works of art to be found in our times is to loosen our neck-ties about what exactly we call "art" in the first place.

 

My medium is words, mostly written but spoken word as well. I used to be able to produce illustration that did not stink, most recent attempts looked like I was five years old. I have focused too much on my writing and any drawing talent I have has fully withered at this point. I've also always enjoyed pottery especially wheel pottery. I have never produced a painting I would want to show anyone, and having so little success with that medium I have never been privy to its joys.

 

This here is art, this post and this blog and this account. It's a hybrid art, something like 'HTML Art' should apply here. Some of you might think I'm playing games or being annoying with something I post, but this is just a place to express for me. And the art I find most interesting is usually the art that pushes out our sensibilities and confronts the subject matter directly.

 

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And that is essentially what I think art is: all creative expression under the limit of doing real harm. I wonder if anyone has a shorter definition and if anyone thinks the SCOTUS definition of "socially redeeming value" has any merit. I personally think that such an absurd and arcane definition of art in the United States and the absolute lack of focus on the importance of the arts in our mainstream culture is why the Torrance study cited in Newsweek showed a decrease in the creativity in our kids.

 

Until we out-grow our puritanical stage, we cannot grow as a larger society.

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Well. Thoughtful piece.

I also think it's morally reprehensible that SCOTUS would protect crush films. I also believe that lots of "art" is the price we pay for living in a free society. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to produce it. (I still think crush films should be illegal.)

I don't have a shorter definition, and I don't think art has anything to do with social redeeming value.

I also think, in general, our society doesn't really value art above entertainment; we'll spend billions and billions on football, but nothing on art instruction. A couple of years ago, I started a program to help teach creative writing to kids in Indianapolis Public Schools, mostly because the schools weren't doing it themselves. Not so much to help kids be better writers as to change their attitudes about writing. I love our program--check it out at secondstoryindy.org. But I'm sad we have to do it.
O, liberal one. I share your view. The saying goes, "Art is in the eye of the beholder." The strange, the different, the obscene, they but test us. Tests are not always pleasant, but they push our limits. I do not care for the animal snuff stuff, nor things that are cruel and base. Yet, I have a choice on deciding if it is crap or not.

Let me see--I have a brain.

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. [Emphasis added.] ”

— Justice Potter Stewart, concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184 (1964), regarding possible obscenity in The Lovers (from Wikipedea).

O yeah dude? So you leave my decision making ability out of this?
Then there is the new Eyrika Badu video, which I adored more for the commentary than the song. Controversial because she stripped naked and poor kiddos might see it? How many kids have not seen a naked body--and damn--does this woman have a lovely body.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/comments_blog/2010/04/erykah-badus-window-seat-video-too-far-or-artistic-expression.html

You wrote a good piece, and I thank you for questioning pigs. Now, let me go draw a dirty pi--I mean--go draw some art.

Raney and rated X 10.
Nice piece. I'm also very devoted to free speech but I'll definitely draw a line at those crush videos. You should be free to express yourself however you like, but not if it involves killing things.
art is expression created within the confines of craft. it is not enough to express, you have to do it with some panache, unless your message is so riveting, so singular and earth shattering that it transcends the medium, which rarely happens but we can leave the door open to that.

craft has been tossed to the wayside, which isn't a good thing. our message is immersed in violence, cynicism, the bottomline greed. I dont' know if that's always been the case, but it seems to me it is a problem now.

artists are the art, performance art is practiced even when that is not the point of the work. we love exhibitionists. I would say kim kardashian or any of the hollywood bimbos prevalent today are what might be termed living art forms if you think about it, perfectly reflecting our society and it's focuses.

except out there in the great vast wilderness of this world are people who are creating beautiful things, making wonderful art, film, music, poetry. you just have to look for them. they're everywhere. they're even in my small city in CT.

ignore the talk. open your eyes. look around you. art is still alive. it's our society, our collective focus that is dying.
People who are artists don't ask this question. It's a non-issue for us. It's everybody else who gets their panties in a bunch over what is/isn't. Excuse me, but I have to get into the studio now.
What Foolish Monkey said. And heinous things have been done in the name of art/religion because it seems that people have lost touch with conscience and go with what popular culture tells them instead.There's a good line in the movie "Basquiat" where the narrator speaks of the fact that ever since Van Gogh wasn't recognized in his time, no one wants to be missing a potential future star (I'm paraphrasing) . "Star" being the operative word. Everyone wants to be a star whatever the price.
I agree with what Greenheron said here...I think the arguing over what's art and what's valuable is just a distraction from the main issue, which is that we need we ignore arts instruction at our peril. In our state, assessment testing has sucked the art right out of many schools--particularly in communities like ours where students are poor and English is a second language for most families.

I've heard the argument here that we have to keep our sports program strong because "it's the only reason some kids stay in school." As a creative person, the arts were the only thing I looked forward to when I was in high school--and I think the argument could be made that they help keep kids in school, too.

The argument is always made about how art isn't valuable because it's not a good way to earn money, but that's b.s. too...but to use the sports analogy again, how many kids are going to be pro sports players?

Creativity involves a lot of problem-solving skills and the ability to think outside the box. We could sure use more of that.
Informative piece, to be sure. I guess I spend too much time in my studio making art to bother considering what it is or is not. When it comes down to it, art is so purely subjective that it almost cannot be defined or categorized as such. But I think I draw a strong line at degradation and depravity as being artistic options for the obvious reasons as well as because the intention of art/artists is to transcend the mundane...uplift, inspire, enlighten, impact in perhaps an ineffable but certainly a positive way. I don't know of anyone who could view a 'crush film' and walk away feeling their lives had been improved somehow.....unless they were a psychopath or a serial killer. Yet I don't know how you could censor such heinous material except by refusing to recognize it as "art." If you want a good read, pick up Paul Johnson's ART- A NEW HISTORY where he talks about the declivitous trend in art and how it parallels our cultures and societies over the centuries. Great post!
Those are two books I definitely must remember to check out of library to quench my desire to answer this question beyond my own idealistic version of the meaning of art.

I would disagree that all exhibitionism is not art, like I said above it is "bad art" in "poor taste" and you should be held fully accountable if you are 'shocking' unwitting people into this by misleading them in some way. I'm thinking not just an issue like a flasher trying to call it art but more to presenting yourself as a serious and 'tasteful' artist but then just using cheap outrage tricks.

What I am suggesting is that "good art" and "bad art" would be easy to recognize if more people were engaged in this as something that is NOT a 'artists only' discussion and more of a everyday discussion.

There is no doubt that great acts of evil have been committed under the guise of "art" and also "religion" but I contend that this occurs precisely because only us so-called artists here ever notice this to be the case. Raising awareness over what art actually is, and how taste is subjective but subjecting people to unwanted mental trauma is not, would dispel the whole problem of the abuses of labeling art / religion perhaps entirely. Basically that people wouldn't buy it anymore, no time would be devoted to such things because everyone could see it as vapid sensationalism before it had any profound impact on them.

It's a theory of mine, nothing more.

It's been my experience I have a much wider definition of art than even most accomplished artists do. I also imagine my love for the medium of words makes me more included to call word-blurbs "art" while others who devote hours into a painting might be included to only cast similar projects as "art."
That is a great article, Irania.

It very applies to what I am addressing.

In my opinion, for what that is worth, the 'Window Seat' video is the kind of art that needs to be played without interruption in mediums recognized for adults. (Both Hulu and YouTube have age restrictions as best the Internet can do them.) Whereas the 'Telephone' video also fits into something that should be allowed to just be art and it is not in the U.S. it is also not very "good / tasteful art." Rather mediocre in comparison to the Badu video.

My point revolves around the notion that if we open the gates more than we do already that this difference between 'Window Seat' and 'Telephone' would be clear as day to more people thus the art that truly does provide what the SCOTUS calls "socially redeeming value" that is found in art that is often banned by mainstream culture.
"I would define art as anything that is aesthetically pleasing...anything that adds beauty to the world. The problem is, my definition is subjective."

Patricia

(From my inbox due to problems with OS Comments)
Is art defined by its medium, content, or something else (intention of the artist)? None alone suffices; maybe someone will devise a logistic regression equation that combines all the potential definitions into one neat formula. Plug in variables and get your answer. But that would be art in itself.