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OCTOBER 19, 2010 8:24PM

I Must Be Hallucinating!

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Really.  
 
I must be hallucinating. 
 
Or am I the only person in the whole country who understands how income taxes are assessed?
 
I can't be the only person.  I know all of you at Open Salon are smarter than the average right wing media nut.  And you're lots smarter than Christine O'Donnell.
 
I wanted to scream at the TV and at Chris Coons, when in their nationally televised debate on October 13th O'Donnell said  "What you fail to realize is the so-called rich are the small business owner, the dry-cleaner down the street, the pizza shop owner who makes $300,000 before they pay their four employees..." 
 
Wrong!  In fact a flat-out lie!  She does not understand how taxes are assessed.  And Coons did not correct her.   
 
What O'Donnell and others like her fail to realize is that taxes are assessed on net income, after all deductions are taken.  If a dry-cleaner made $300,00 in sales, they would deduct operating expenses like payroll, rent, utilities, insurance, and supplies to arrive at a taxable income.  They're called deductions, Ms O'Donnell, Mr Limbaugh, Mr Beck, Ms Palin and the rest of you!   
 
I was equally frustrated during the last presidential campaign when no one corrected those who jumped on Joe the Plumber's bandwagon.  He thought if he bought a plumbing business worth $250,000, he would be assessed income taxes on $250,000 before his deductions.  And he thought he'd be taxed at one rate for the entire $250,000.  
 
Also wrong. 

You see, we have a progressive tax in the United States.  We are taxed at different rates for different dollars earned.  If an individual earned $300,000 in taxable income in 2009, he would be taxed at 10% for the first $8350 earned, then 15% for $8351 - $33,950, 25% for $33, 951 - $82,250, 28% for $82,251 - $171,550, and 33% for $171,551 - $300,00.  
 
Because the media (and Democrats) allow this mis-information to be repeated over and over again, many Americans think that Obama wants to raise taxes on the average Joe.  If the Bush tax cuts are not extended for those making over $250,000, only that portion over $250,000 would be taxed at the higher rate.  That's after deductions are taken, like mortgage interest, property tax and charitable contributions.
 
How come nobody seems to correct politicians and the media talking heads when they incorrectly talk about how taxes are assessed.   How come they allow people like O'Donnell to scare Americans into thinking that those of us on the left want to raise taxes on small businesses and the the little guy?  
 
Ms O'Donnell, I am a small business owner and I have never come close to earning $300,000 in taxable income.  If I ever do, I would think I was one of the so-called rich! 
 
Or maybe I'm just hallucinating.
 

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I know some pizza places around here who would kill for a $300, let alone $300,000!! :D

Sorry.

Nobody ever said politicians were smart. Rated!
I sent a portion of this post to Chris Coons in hopes that he would address this in his next debate. Then Christine O'Donnell goes and trips herself up with the First Amendment bit. I see another SNL skit there.

Seriously folks.....this tax misconception that the GOP keeps repeating is something that really bothers me.
It's criminal how some politicos get away with their lies.

"Death taxes" and "small businessmen." Obscene lie.
Thanks Jane. I've missed OS. I'm going to post something later about what I've been doing.

BTW, what 's with all this spam?
OK, I just figured out I can delete the spam.
I think it's cool that you sent this to Chris Coons. My belief is that it won't be read because my experience with practically every politician, right down to city dog catcher, is that they don't read anything sent to them unless it was delivered by someone with a lot of clout to make them take notice. But at least you tried.
Obviously the Republicans & Teabaggers don't want that message delivered...but more obviously politicians of every stripe probably don't understand it. They can't be bothered with understanding the laws they passed...they are far too busy trying to get re-elected so they can pass more laws they don't understand.
Thanks for clarifying the issue. I knew this in the back of my brain somewhere from mining over tax returns for laughable "operating expenses" to question during child support hearings. I never connected that with the bigger picture for small business owners who actually have operating expenses.
I see that this post got an Editor's Pick and also landed on the Cover.

We need to insist that the media AND our politicians gets the facts right - and call them on it when they don't. People will vote against their own best interests if they believe what they are being told.

It's interesting to me that the Tea Party is so much about cutting taxes, and they do not understand how they are assessed.
Frightening that politicians seem to live in an alternate universe, yet their decisions affect us in this one.
So true, so true. This particular phenomenon has always driven me crazy as well. As a small business owner, I am familiar with the way taxes work, and I am outraged when people misrepresent the facts. Take the same issues for big-box chains and multinational and multiply them by many orders of magnitude. Same shell game.
This is a profound and fundamental point, one I alluded to in a post on the "top 1%" a couple of weeks ago, and no, they do not get it, and willfully so! RRR!
"OK, I just figured out I can delete the spam."
Butt, butt, butt, can you use it as a deduction?
BTW-You didn't get it all deleted.
I'm also a small business owner and know all these things the idiots either don't know or lie about or both.
Maybe they ought to go back home and ride their dinosaurs.
any of those Wall Street vs Main Street discussions are pure smoke comparing two mythical wonderlands
Thanks for this explanation.....Now why doesn't some talking head on cable give such a clear outline??? Hmmmmmmmmmm
Thank you, thank you, thank you! This has always bothered me too. Any small business with over $250k in NET income is probably NOT the pizza parlor or hair salon down the street. Maybe the doctor down the street....
No one explains it because it won't make a difference. There will just be another excuse given. "You would only pay the extra on the part over $250,000." "Yeah, but I don't want to pay that part, either." It's the "Yes, but" game. For every explanation there is another excuse. It never changes anyone's mind.
the goal is not truth and justice, the goal is winning, getting rich, giving the finger to the losers. that's what 'the pursuit of happiness' was put in the constitution for, to assure a level playing field for the socially insensitive.
Who else, besides O'Donnell, has said this? I.e., the 250k number pertains to gross income?

The tax code is overly complicated, and no doubt it leaves many of us bewildered from time to time, but I think most voters, and even many right-wing pundits, know that only take-home pay/profit is taxed. Additionally, those with a little more direct knowledge, e.g., small-business owners, know that small-business income can vary wildly from year to year, and that one year over 250k may have come after a string of bad years; making that extra x% on the over a little more painful than it's sometimes made out to be.

Both sides of debates like this one oversimplify and get things flat-out wrong. Alas, this is what happens when playing politics trumps all.
I watched the first twenty minutes of the debate 'till CNN decided they needed something more exciting and switched to the Chilean miner story. Saw the part you mentioned here and my head spun a full 360!
However, O'Donnell is (or was at least) so far behind in the polls that we shouldn't have to worry much, and Coons (although he didn't snatch that golden opportunity) seems like a ferly smart guy... who is however a politician, and can't be trusted further than the distance he can thrown by a brace of aging midgets.
Rob...who else has said it? Well almost every right-wing radio host.

Trig...it's not just about O'Donnell and Coons. I have talked to people who have said that Obama wants to raise taxes on small businesses because they hear people like O'Donnell say that and never get corrected or challenged.
I used to work for a small business that bitched about "Obama's gonna raise taxes on us!"

Note the "used to." The idiotic right-wingness of the owners got to me.
Why dont more people yell this from the rooftops!!
Zannelle - my question exactly.
Actually, I did not know that, but I did know that drycleaners are not the people being targeted for a tax increase. It's too silly. Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman all mention small business owners and no one, not NPR, no one except maybe alternet.org calls them on it. Oh I guess Arnold said something about it. I can't believe people fall for it but they do. It's insane. BTW, you missed Obama today. It was pretty cool.
Christine and her ilk believe in representation without taxation.
The small business tax issue is that they get taxed on selling that 300,000$ business like rich people and their kids can't afford the inheritance taxes.

The shocking thing is that so few politicians know the issues. They just think poor, struggling overtaxed small business because small business is virtuous and everyone should have sympathy for it.

Why inheriting a small business worth a few million should be fundamentally different from inheriting stock worth a few million is a mystery to me.
Proud and Progressive: I was thinking more of specific examples. My assumption in asking is that they are many and easy enough to cite.
Rob, thanks for clearing that up. I misunderstood your question and was sort of surprised by it.
Yet another example where the smallest amount of common sense could clear up whole worlds of misunderstanding.

However, I think O'Donnell and the like are going to be calling the world's richest CEO's "small business owners" for the next infinity of years.

Common sense especially on financial matters is so out of vogue with GOP hopefuls (who also have math problems understanding why reducing overall revenues by reducing taxes to these "small business owners" won't "fix" massive budget deficits. If only vooodoo economics wasn't still so popular with so much of our electorate....)

*sigh*
Bravo! Enjoyed this! :)
I blame what I call "the Bill O'Reilly School of Journalism"....no explanations, no reasons, few, if any facts, no qualifications, distortions, lies.....As a bumper sticker I saw said, "In the Age of Information, why is truth so hard to find?"