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NOVEMBER 4, 2009 11:27PM

Medical Malpractice Revisited on NPR

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 I appeared on NPR's Talk of the Nation last Monday to discuss my Salon article on medical malpractice reform.   To no surprise, I was on hot seat in the virtual doctor's lounge, as physicians called in with their concerns--and gripes--about my point of view that tort reform will not solve America's  health care problems. 

 I have a few thoughts about the interview, especially about those who called in.  First, all three were doctors, and reflected on cases from their experience and point of view. 

But medical malpractice is a patients' rights issue as well.  The discussion may have been more provocative had we heard from someone who had been injured due to physician negligence.  Then, we may have seen how hard it can be to seek redress.  Here in California, for example, we have one of the oldest laws capping malpractice payouts at $250,000.  The figure hasn't changed since the mid-1970s when the caps were enacted, despite the obvious rise in inflation and the cost of living.  That often leaves an injured victim with very little recourse because the cost of fighting for compensation exceeds the payout.  So while caps may prevent frivolous suits,  they also make it harder for a patient to hold a doctor accountable.  For an example of this, listen to my story at the end of the NPR segment or read it here

 Second is the issue of defensive medicine.  The callers, and most other doctors, argue they practice defensive medicine to prevent being sued.  Consider the comments by one particular caller:  

"I think doctors are afraid of being sued, whether they're going to be sued for $20 or $2 million. But the question is, are these cases going to be tried by a jury of inner city people who sympathize more with patients than with the doctors, or are these cases going to be tried in front of professionals who understand the cases?

I think, you know, any data that you have, I completely - I can't possibly think applies to my practice or my husband's practice or what I'm seeing. Every doctor, every day, practices defensive medicine. There's no doubt about it. And I think it's ridiculous that it's not more of an issue in the health care litigation - or health care legislation that's before Congress right now. It should be..." 

 Let's look at the caller's main points: One, defensive medicine is practiced every day by doctors. Two, that tort reform should be a big part of health care reform due to the impact of defensive medicine on costs.  

No doubt we practice defensive medicine.  The question is whether tort reform is the cure for it and therefore, a key to lowering health care costs.

The short answer is no.  You can look at my references in the Salon article, but let's take another example.  I practice in Walnut Creek, Ca, and the caller who made the comments above practices in Baltimore, Md.  As I said we have malpractice caps here, as does Maryland. If you believe the caller is right, then health care spending should be lower in both areas where we practice.  

But take look at health care spending in both areas, as measured the by the Dartmouth Atlas of Healthcare.  What you'll see is that both my county (Contra Costa) in Northern California and Baltimore have very high health care costs (darker green on the map).  There are certainly many other factors that account for costs in both areas, to be sure.  But there is no effect of caps in curbing spending seems in either area.   

That leads to my last point--we doctors don't practice defensive medicine just to protect ourselves from lawsuits.  If we did, then the caps would have done the trick.  

That means that are a whole host of other reasons we play defense, ones that tort reformers never mention, and ones that have nothing to do with fear of litigation. One of those reasons is profit:  in fee-for-service medicine, more tests and referrals mean more revenue for you and your specialist colleagues down the street.  Another reason is time pressure:  many times, doctors don't have the time to sit down with their patients and get a good history of their illness. Ordering tests saves time and allows us to move onto the next patient.  Finally, there's customer service:  many of us believe that our patients want more, and so to please them, we prescribe and refer more.  Tort reform won't impact any of these reasons for playing defense.  

 

 

 

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I will try to go an listen to the NPR broadcast but I can tell you off the bat that what you have to say is so on the mark, and thank you for speaking publicly. Over ten years efforts to cap malpractice awards
were being made in Florida. Hmm, I thought, doctors wanted to cap the awards because they thought it reduce their malpractice premiums. Insurance companies had obvious motivations, and the general public was being told that these huge (a few well publicized awards) were the reason for the skyrocketing costs of health insurance. What a big huge crock of baloney.

The facts are very different from what the sensationalized, multimillion dollar settlements we read about on the front page of the paper every once in a while. Out of all the malpractice lawsuits very few go to trial, and even counting the ones that do (and the arbitration awarded ones) the numbers are nothing like the PR departments of the insurance companies would like us all to believe.

It's part of their justification for their ridiculous premiums. It's a myth.

And yes, nice to know that what I've long thought to be true. Many doctors are not ordering a full battery tests because they suspect something is wrong and are trying to be very thorough, (nor are they doing it to cover their ass malpractice wise), NO, many of them are doing it because they own the CATscan or the MRI. It behooves them to have you use it.

It's all very disturbing. Many ambitious doctors would have been better directed to MBA school, and a strict admonition to stay away from living things.

Patients as a profit center turns my stomach. But then again I think health care in general, for a population, cannot succeed on a profit based model. It's contradictory to the core.

Health care does not belong in a private industry model in any civilized, first world country. You are just asking for trouble, corruption, and warped priorities. I see most issues in grey zones, but this is one issue that is very black and white for me.
My daughter had a fractured ankle in the US. The fracture might have gone through the growth plate. The Doctor ordered a number of x-rays, a CAT scan, and sent us to a specialist in another hospital to make sure. The cost of the treatment ran to thousands of dollars.

My son broke his elbow in Bulgaria. They did one set of x-rays. Thought it probably wasn't through the growth plate (it was close), set it and followed up. The cost ran about 200$, including follow up.

If the growth plate is injured, the bone stops growing leaving the child with one limb shorter than the other. In Bulgaria, they did their best and left it.

In America, if the small chance of a risk can be reduced, the doctors reduced it. Maybe the American doctor was thinking of malpractice or making money for the hospital. But maybe he was thinking what a tragedy it would be if a beautiful girl were crippled for life.

My take is that he wanted to make sure.

My take is that in America, it is not acceptable that some tiny number of kids break a bone and are crippled for life. That means an awful lot of extra tests and expenses for the much larger number of kids who are probably okay without them.

(Both my kids' injuries healed without a problem.)
What ablonde said.

And further, in a private industry model, physicians (whether they like it or not) are put in the position of being businessmen. Education, insurance, and all the other costs of business are investments that the physician makes in the hope of making a profit. (Many physicians also invest directly in labs, clinics, and hospitals.) Tort reform is a "bailout" for bad investors. If we're stuck with the private industry model, then physicians are gonna have to live with their losses, or find another job.
And while we're at it, maybe someone can tell me why several years ago a porcelain dental crown cost me $80 in Guadalajara, Mexico (including the doctor's examination), while it would have cost $900 in suburban Chicago. In the intervening time, that cost differential, I'm sure, has only increased.
The kind of malpractice reform I would like to see is a national liscense to practice medicine. More often than not, REAL malpractice is done by a handful of quacks who hop from state to state.

Great post and rated.
Rahul, I enjoyed listening to you on NPR. I thought you made good points and argued persuasively that tort reform is unlikely to bring in promised savings.

I still wonder whether some kind of medical malpractice tort reform is in order. The argument that "doctors are afraid of being sued, whether they're going to be sued for $20 or $2 million" is persuasive to me. For the physicians I know who have been sued unsuccessfully, it was a traumatic experience that was very disruptive to their careers. How can something as absurd as an accusation that a "mismanaged" delivery caused a child's autism get all the way to trial anyways?

Patients should have recourse when doctors and clinics fail them. But what do we do about a system that allows so many frivolous law suits that are decided by juries who don't understand how the practice of medicine is supposed to work?
I've been on blood pressure & cholestrol fighting drugs for about 7 years. It's been a bi-annual trip to the dr. to have them check blood work, pressure, etc. Last time I went to a new dr. She ordered so many extra tests (i.e., level of Vitamin D in my blood among other things) that I'm now looking at a lab fee bill of $500. I've read that VitD is now thought to be a significant part of a healthy heart, but I could have bought 20 years worth of Vit D tablets for $500 (and that was just the part I owed, BCBS paid $100).

No matter what the levels of Vitamins are in my blood, the ultimate conclusion would have been to take a multi-vitamin every day, counsel me to quit smoking and lose a few pounds.

This isn't on the same level as what dr.'s have done to me in the past (but fortunately for them, I was too young and ignorant to realize I had a malpractice case), but it is an example of how over-testing adds up to billions of dollars. I already pay a small fortune every year for MY PART of insurance that's provided by my employer.

I am looking forward to listening to your interview on NPR, and I'm so glad we have at least one intelligent, well-spoken doctor in the house.
Good comments. I wrote about this in my book "What Your Doctor Won't (or Can't) Tell You and I write about much of the mess in healthcare on Salon now. Tort reform is a very complex issue and shoudl not mean that doctors cannot be sued. It also should include some type of "real punishment" for repeat offenders.

Dr. Evan S. Levine
'"real punishment" for repeat offenders' ? How about losing their license.
Nice work, Doc.

I'd suggest that you also take a look at this piece in the New York Times.

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/would-tort-reform-lower-health-care-costs/

There are a couple of things that stood out. First, the number of medical practice lawsuits is the same as it was in the late 1980s. Second, medical malpractice lawsuits account for about one percent of the total cost of health care. Finally, only four to seven percent of those who could file a medical malpractice lawsuit actually do so.

I have no doubt that some lawsuits filed are foolish. My sister stopped delivering babies for two reasons. First, she didn't want to get sued five years after the baby was born when the chain smoking alcoholic mother learns that her child is learning disabled and blames the doctor. Second, babies are born when they want to be. Old ladies who need urinary tract surgery can be scheduled.

But the argument that frivolous lawsuits are driving the cost of health care is just ridiculous, and it's provably so. I'm tired of people lying about it. If it wasn't illegal, I'd go kick their teeth in so they couldn't lie through them.
I'm curious Dr. Parikh, if you've ever been sued. Listed on a malpractice claim? Deposed as a defendant for perceived negligence?

I hope never.

The intent of tort reform is not solely for the reduction of healthcare costs. Tort reform also involves reducing the hostile environment in which so many physicians work, an environment in which they are anxious that every decision, every judgement, every educated guess might be construed as negligent or at the very least different from vague "community standards."

Certainly as patients we need protection and even recourse from bad medicine. I believe, however, that physicians need protection and recourse from bad tort actions. And most people who have been on the receiving end of a deposition will agree that not all lawsuits are valid.

I read so many posts and responses on OS with a heavy heart. I'm alarmed and disheartened at the mistrust - even hatred - of physicians. But cutting pay on one end and raising malpractice premiums on the other, is not the answer.
I recently spent two hours in the doctor's office for my yearly physical. Much of that time was spent waiting for the doctor, who is notorious for running behind. As you can imagine, I was annoyed.

But when I finally saw the doctor, I could see why. I spent 30-40 minutes with him before the examination even started. He did a detailed family history (which was helped because both of my parents see the same doctor). He told me what I should be looking for 5-10 years in the future based on my history. When I expressed concerns that my asthma was not under control, he clearly laid out options for treatment that included price considerations. At the end of the appointment, I felt much better about where my health stood.

And then I got upset again. Part of the problem of our health care system is that the majority of people don't get what I was so lucky to get--a detailed and informative doctor's visit with a doctor isn't concerned about time or the bottom line. I get that many people don't have the luxury of going to the same doctor for most of their life, but insisiting that your doctor spend more that 15 mintues with you shouldn't be such a burden. We must figure out how to get more med student to practice family medicine and get them to do it well.
I wonder what impact improved medical education for the public would have on this issue?
Great post, important issue - rated.
Ah, thank you for the simple and elegant proof you provide to disprove the tort-reform/ cutting health care cost link.

Reading through the comments, it is shocking that people believe that a rampant problem like physicians running tests has to do with docs owning MRI machines. Seriously, I would love to see the percentage of docs who can afford MRI machines. It is also a fact that in some cases, particularly certain specialties, malpractice insurance is prohibitively expensive, but that has more to do with physician profit and not so much to do with health care costs.

So in fact, as malpractice costs increase and reimbursement decreases, physicians have LESS money to buy MRI machines giving them LESS incentive to order unnecessary MRI's. So lack of tort reform can LOWER health care costs. Hmmm...

Don't you love how in these health care debates the most ridiculous premises can be made to sound like they make sense? I'm glad that there are still folks like you making precise slices through all the ridiculosity (a word invented by someone famous).
"I think doctors are afraid of being sued, whether they're going to be sued for $20 or $2 million. But the question is, are these cases going to be tried by a jury of inner city people who sympathize more with patients than with the doctors, or are these cases going to be tried in front of professionals who understand the cases?"

Translation- Are these cases going to be tried by trifling minorities who will give money to the patient out of solidarity against the system VS the upstanding like-white educated people who can actually understand why the patient doesn't deserve a thing.

Why are they always assuming the patient is scamming or looking for a payday?

Look- I'm a redneck. Why do I have to bring this up?
Dr. Parikh, you are terribly misguided. I believe the figure you quote, and then deride as outdated,etc., of 250K, is a cap on non-economic damages; there is no cap on economic damages. At least this is how caps work in many states.

The real heart of the matter of tort reform is access to care. As I recently blogged, the expense of malpractice insurance because of the lack of tort reform is getting people killed at the gravest and denying care at the more modest. I have personally witnessed a 30 year old woman die after falling off a ladder in southern Illinois. Due to the lack of prompt neurosurgical intervention (no neurosurgeons south of Joliet due to the toxic climate in Illinois) the patient's care was delayed causing her death in my hospital's ICU in the Chicago suburbs. The toxic climate also drove most malpractice carriers out of Illinois. Those that were left charge real $$. What do you get reimbursed by Medicare for a typical office visit? How many of those do you need to perform before you can pay 50K/year for insurance? This cost is driving docs out of business not to mention the coming cuts to Medicare to pay for "health insurance reform" which will drive us out of Medicare then perhaps out of Medicine.

You seem to boil tort reform down to caps. How about a state appointed panel of 7 MDs to review the cases first--if they think its absurd then the judge can throw the case out. Just one simple suggestion, I'm sure there are others that don't involve caps. By the way, I didn't see a reply to the question of whether you have ever been sued? I'm guessing you haven't.

I also take offense at your perpetuating the myth of 47 million uninsured. Please subtract the illegal aliens, those that can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it, those that already qualify for government insurance but don't apply for it, and those that lose insurance briefly by job change and then get insurance again at their new jobs. The true number is likely
Very nice and succinct analysis. Our physician colleagues don't want to hear it, but neurosurgeons don't cover ERs because there is no money to be made there. If trauma paid, neurosurgeons would be lining up to go to the ER. As a cardiologist, I know my colleagues are only too happy to go to the ER- because there is money there; trips to the cath lab, noninvasive testing, the whole magilla.

Physicians order unnecessary tests out of laziness and greed and blame it on fear of litigation.

The tort system is a disaster and needs to be addressed, but the primary motivation should be to increase the access to just and timely judgments for our patients.
I do agree that medical malpractice is also a patients rights issue. After all, it is the patient who would be suffering, probably for life, just because one doctor wasn't doing his job well. In some cases though, some doctors have really done all they can. I hope a balance would be found soon!
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I've alway thought that doctors would order for a lot of tests because they get a cut, this just validates it too! Either that or they don't know what they're doing!

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Medical malpractice laws should be changed but not gotten rid of completely. Sometimes for piece of mind more testings is needed, but what is the limit and how to decide should only be between the DR and patient. Just an opinion.

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Its hard when a person's life is at stake! Thats why we all usually go to the same hospital where they have a record of our family history! That way, doctors can decide on the best treatment possible!

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It sure is a shame ,but each profession has its black sheeps and bringing it to the fore would help dispel any stain to the profession in general ,
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its a shame that the esteemed profession has been tarnished so
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but hope these are few and far between,
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its a matter of great shame , Good thing it has been in public news as this is a grave concern , why persons of repute choose to tarnish is a huge concern of the mental health,
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and to think that my ent problems was the only health issue facing the nation! , thanks for the public discussion on the topic, not only is the price of tablets concerning ,but the practitioners are doing deeds which are contrary,
the cost of treatment has become a dreaded issue when there is dread of disease and mental anxiety on the event of ill health, so all in all it is a cesspool, and the health insurnace procedure too does not pass muster,
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good post on the irregularities in the field of pratice, now financial irregularities are not uncommon in most fields though!
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A doctor's license must be shown in order to prevent medical malpractices. There are so many doctors who operate without holding a valid license. This is an alarming issue. Good issue raised.

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I know many doctors are from unrecognized universities and some may have even bought their degrees.

This is very dangerous and should be controlled vigorously by local authorities.

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When a person's life is at stake, shouldn't risks be taken? Just make their companion sign a waiver or something!

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Privatization of universities is the main culprit. Intelligent students are unable to take admission because the rich one's pay more and get admission.

This is very dangerous and should be controlled vigorously by education ministries.

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