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MARCH 30, 2011 12:57PM

Thoth on OS Truth and Lies

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I have been going through a personal tragedy. Few weeks ago I decided to go on OS to see what’s new. I was happy to see that Thoth is back. Then I also saw the same bullies still following him around and insulting him. So I kept reading from blog to blog. I mean I read too much actually and what I found out was just very sad. I contacted Thoth to ask him a few questions, but like always he did not want me to post about him. I told him it was not about him, it is about me. I am pissed off.

Some of Thoth’s sworn enemies claim that they know Thoth. One said Thoth’s wife divorced him. That is a lie because no one knows Thoth or his wife. What is his wife’s name? No one on OS knows anything about Thoth except for his avatar and posts. Some say that with 24 hour investigation they got some OSers to reveal Thoth’s first name (Sam). Well good for you, but so what? One said he is not a doctor. I have never read anything on Thoth’s blog that even suggests he is a doctor. No one has ever claimed that Thoth gave medical advice. OK, so you convinced one OSer to reveal the contents of her PMs, which I was told is the most despicable thing to do on OS, and Thoth told her he was a doctor so what? What difference does it make? I do not understand. No one knows either way. As if he is really going to tell everyone what he does for a living. May be he doesn’t do anything for a living. You get the point?

Then I found out that some safety-pin Amy (this is what Thoth call’s her) claim that Thoth came on to her. Then I read Thoth’s response (photocopies of all the PMs he sent to Amy) on the Judge’s blog. She (the Judge) posted them all proving that Amy is a liar. Then, I found out that Robin Sneed (bless her heart) posted about how Amy lied about everything she said about her “wife” confirming everything Thoth said about how Amy used the memory of a dead woman just to smear his reputation. For almost two years on OS, NO WOMAN HAS EVER CLAIMED THAT THOTH CAME ON TO HER. In fact, the word is that whenever Thoth reads the first sign of a come on he sends back this cliché: “He has been happily married for twenty five years and has two kids in college.” That is a very nice way of saying no. Has he been married for 25 years? Does he have two kids? Exactly, we do not know and we do not care.

And then there are these two women on OS who have a 24 hour watch for Thoth’s comments and posts. They remind of monkeys in a zoo throwing feces at people. To them I say I know that rejection is hard, but you must move on. You are wasting a lot of your time in hatred and jealousy. Get a life.

One said that Thoth made Frank Apsia leave OS. This is the last interaction between Frank and Thoth on one of Thoth’s posts before Frank “left” and came back.

“Thoth...
...thank you for pointing out just how absurd it is for today’s American conservatives to attempt to identify what they stand for with the intentions of what we now refer to as “the founding fathers.” Conservative protestations that “we represent the founding fathers” belong in a landfill mixed in with all the other garbage.” Jan 18 2010 10:28 AM

“Frank Apisa,
Indeed, they have no right to claim the founders and we should stop this ridiculous rumor. Thanks, Frank for your visit and comment.” Jan 18 2010 11:07 AM

Then I read a disgusting comment about Thoth (I am not even going to mention the dirty words) claiming that Thoth writes gibberish. Then I found this comment by the same guy, QUOTING Thoth in his comment.

Excellent post Thoth. It's great to know history, and even myths have their uses, but as you point out, they are easily amenable to the purposes of liars and thieves. We've come a long way since the days of the Founding Fathers, but despite the massive increases in wealth and power of the country, and the advances in science and society, we've become intellectually and politically less than we were in those days.
"When the corporate-appointed useless middleman (for example, insurance companies) is robbing the citizens and the citizens know that they are being robbed by the middleman, but the citizens still blindly protect and promote the middleman; what do you call that? I call it malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame."
The malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame; that's as good a way to put it as any. We're living under a self-imposed dictatorship of ignorance and apathy, and seem perfectly content as a people to throw democracy in the rubbish bin. In an era when we need leadership of the calibre of Jefferson or Lincoln or FDR, all we get is gansters and timid technocrats and and promoters of the rotten status quo. I'm not hopeful for the future.

Nanatehay Jan 21 2010 12:38 PM

I have a request and a plea to make. Please, stop the lies and the personal attacks. Stop using OS blogs to scare new bloggers. And like The Man himself always said, if you have an argument relevant to the subject of the post, make it. But if you do not like what someone writes DO NOT COMMENT ON HIS OR HER BLOG. Thank you.

If you do not like Thoth, please have the decency to respect the feelings of those who like him.

I have collected some of OS comments that are almost unique to Thoth’s posts. I chose only the comments that explain why we like Thoth’s writing and left out the pure compliments. By the third post I got tired. Enjoy!

Thoth, your posts always leave me thinking and rereading and rereading. There is a brilliance and art to your writing. Thank you.

You have this amazing ability to just switch tones at the drop of a hat in your stuff. Love that about you!

I second that dedication! Well said my friend! Your posts are always inspiring and allow one's thoughts to challenge ones opinion. Well done! Well done!

Excellent piece. Love the lexicon, and I'm going to show the GBS quote to my wife, who keeps telling me I have a negative attutude, when really I'm just being realistic i.e. cynical. There's no fog on my mirrors.
R

Brilliant! A Swiftian satire of the first order - except that I think I know the Regans. rated with admiration - for the post and for its dedication

Your word and thought play here is very impressive. We can all learn from the way you blend politics, humor, and great writing. This is my favorite:
Charlie Regan did what he was told. He lived by the Twelfth Commandment and followed the Eleventh. He moved up from the ‘full dinner pail’ to the ‘full garage’. He lived the American dream. Charlie is a neocon, theocon and a superpatriot wingnut who never misses a chance to shoot at Santa Clause. Charlie always thought of himself as 100% American, and refuses to realize that there is no such thing—all Americans are hyphenated. Charlie is not a chauvinist or a unilateralist or a triumphalist; he is simply a jingo.

You see it all so clearly and write it out so damn well. Excellent, funny, smart. You are the only man who makes me wish I had a big ass. ;)

A prized post.
Each and every word is included for a reason--producing a lean, yet bountiful feast--and that is indeed a rarity here.

Great post. You are "The Thinker". I love that.
Rated

Good writing...no...great writing my friend. You manage to blend a lot in

Each time I am fortunate enough to read what you have written I know I have been taken on a wonderful ride...this was no exception dear. Your humor and use of words (thanks for the glossary too) to weave a story is unmatched. I bow to your prowess of both. R

Damn, man - you packed this chock full of analysis, yet kept it entertaining and educational! Well done, sir. Well done.

Amazing use of language. Political and social commentary wrapped in a parody. Funtastic!

Wow! That was so cleverly written. Absolutely a gem!

It's totally brilliant the way you weave all of the political jargon together to create a searing satire. RATED!!

This is wonderful, Thoth! I love the opening quote. As a bit of a cynic I can relate to it for sure.

You shine here. This is clever and funny and smart.

There's something about the way you write, I can only describe it as slick, it reads fast but at the same time, slick, cosmopolitan.

I'm impressed.

Wow! Incredible insight and deep thought.....this one is a definite "read over" and over and over.

This is a wonderful piece of writing. It should be required reading in the schools, just before they recite the Pledge of Allegiance. r.

I read this and when I got to the Salvation, I was nodding with strong agreement. Your perspective, from the founding fathers to the idiocy of conservative religious thought, is well thought out and spot on!

Thank you, Thoth. This is one of the things I love about OS. I keep learning -- and your post made so much sense on so many level. I need to re-read it a few more times because there were many points I'd like to focus on more closely. I've always hated Mondays -- but not today.
R

T--I've read this twice so far, and I know I'll come back again (at least once). This is an impressive piece of work. First off, it's very well-written, which always counts highly with me. But even more importantly it's so well-thought-out. This piece has given me enough to think about for today. And there are a few lighter comments that make me laugh, chief being: "This motif of unnatural vulgarity is probably triggered by their long frustrating search for someone to spell-check their signs."
Thank you for this, Thoth. I'm very impressed and thankful that you posted this here--and that I had the sense to read it. Wish I could rate it 1000 times! R

Thoth - you do amazing work here. You bring a lot of pieces to the table and weave them together to make a helluva a sound argument. This is one of my favorites. Bravo!

I'm really impressed by the level of thinking and research that went into this. I also like how you discuss these very serious issues with a good deal of humor/well-used sarcasm. I always find that useful when you want to make a point. Great job!

Fucking brilliant, Thoth. Well-written, intelligent, and unforgiving. You've summed up the history of the US in a precise and understandable manner.

For some reason, this post reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut, one of the great American heroes. I think he would be proud of your work here.
Bravo!

You take my breath away, my dear. Rated

F*cking awesome, dude. Over the heads of many to be sure, but this should be required reading, its own chapter in the Citizen's User Manual.

Sweeeeeeeeeet post. This should be required reading.

"I am in a most cherished grief."
Thoth, this is stunning....love to you...xox

Wow, I am speechless, I was just sitting here after reading this, just sitting...I'm sorry is to little to say, you will meet again, not enough.
This was a side of you I didn't know, a sad side, one that I think, formed who you are. Just stunning in how it is written.

Masterful. Your writing skills are nonpareil. Powerful and so sad. Thank you for sharing.

Thoth... This is... There are no words. HUGE HUGS.

I am truly fucking speechless, man....

I love this post at so many levels. I mostly love the line, "Now I see Sarah only when I smile." ~r for style, sensitivity, and for being the kind of man who could captivate Sarah!

i can only gulp a little, and send hugs to you, thoth. what a piece of writing - whimsical supernatural royal uplifting and damned sad. thank you for sharing.

This was epic, Toth. I too am speechless ,and very excited to read more. Wow! It captures randomness and loss so well.

Thoth that is beautiful. You had me in tears. Wonderful piece :)

I read it, and read it again, very, very beautiful. It reads like Shakespeare. "
Too shy to cry was I but fly
Did I to skies of tears above
Those who worship wonder why
He can die who’s not in love "

My man, Sam I am, not, you my friend are one hell of a writer. You are the most dependable reader and commenter on here and I am just now catching up on your works. I believe that we are kindred spirits in many ways... Not sure if you'll get that, but I think you may.

Powerful writing, Thoth. Glad I was too tired last nite to read and comment on so many of these letters, and especially glad I didn't try my hand at capturing the levels of craftsmanship - hell, artistry - that you brought to us here, because so many of the other comments have done it so much more intelligently and perceptively than I could have. But your prose and poetry did sweep me away. You have a true gift, my friend. And I agree with John of the Village of Whitefish Bay (wow, what a name) that the phrase an honorable coyness that commands surrender is exceptional. Magical. As a story, this does rival Romeo and Juliet - more refined and subtle. I hope the movie is made while Winona Ryder is still young enuf to play Sarah. (r)

Oh my God. Not only beautifully written (natch) but such a story, I'll be thinking about it for a long, long time. Oh, a long time. I am most struck by how you tell a story that has such a component of tragedy with such spareness and emotional economy, no sentimental ick to cheapen the weight. It's funny (the abandonment of William) and intriguing (the descriptions of your parents) and loving (Sarah).
I have lots to say, but would end up writing a post of my own here in the comments.

"She is innately shy, but in her heavenly eyes, I can see an honorable coyness that commands surrender."
You undoubtedly honor and understand women, dear Thoth.

This is why we love Thoth. Thank you.

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Just doing some research for my next post and I saw this so I must make one comment for the day: one day maybe I will post my PM’s from all party’s involved then the whole story will come out but then again my background has taught me that in interactions with others there is but one golden rule, never carry tales so that will never happen. The one thing I will say is Thoth is among the 10 best writers on OS (as are some of his critics) and he is by far the best human being.
the ladies love his style - Thoth is fantathtic.
George Santayna wrote this:`
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The young man who has not wept
is a savage, and the old man who
will not laugh is a fool.
-
To the fraud professionals...
`
Whine, scratch, hiss, and edits.
Psychologist edits out a word`
`
OY!
Oops.
Grow up!
You joke!
Tell more!
-
Peter De Vries -
`
Life is a zoo in a jungle.
-
Life can seem absurd
Folk become absurd
Fools get along but`
Fools are thee Fools.
They spot each other.
-
Echoes from where?
Thoth Deftly cry too.
No respond-comment.
See thee dark shadows.
Reverberate de' honesty.
A critter grows rot cores.
It's a story ref existences.
Discern the ill stature ilk.
apology?
This came from a sense`
`
I needed to convey this.
It's to 'test' inner spirit.
Take Thoth to the zoo.
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Care is Courage. Same.
The Wizard of Oz said.
I hate to say it, but Thoth came on to me. But I forgave him, I am a prize! Thoth is a friend of mine and I don't mind saying so, or who knows or cares. He and I have exchanged some great PM's and he has always been a friend every since I arrived. But he's tough, I doubt he really worries about this kind of stuff!
I have some naked pictures of Thoth I'm selling to the Enquirer.
And here I thought it was Bonnie Russell that ran Frank Apisa off.
Me and Thoth, we were on Broadway together. Yes, yes, big time actors, stars even. His real name is Angela Morgendorgen and mine is Andrea Simplestein.

We use to work the corner of Broadway and 9th in Duluth!!!

We tried becoming doctors but well, we didn't do so well cutting up the hog in med school, so instead, we became butchers!!!

And now you know THE REST OF THE STORY!!

~nods and wanders off into the thorn bushes~
That is some funny stuff guys. You really made me smile. It has been a rough time. Thank you Jack, noah, Larry, scanner, Trig, Tinkerertink69.
As for Art James, God bless you, you are all heart.
Stolen from Ofeelya last Saturday...

No truer words ever spoken so cleverly.

There was a vile cur most silly and rude.
He flattered the ladies with bland platitudes.
O, pray thee where has this vile creature fled?
The truth is plain as that bump on your head.
He's named himself Judge and has posed in his stead.

(Sorry Rainee, couldn't resist.)
BTW sorry about the tragedy
@ Trig,

Even after you read all these comments and even when you know that the Judge is not a he, it is a she and it is not Thoth, you are still trying to slip in that the Judge (like the 20 other OSers you claimed to be Thoth) is Thoth. And even after I thanked you for not being an asshole in your your first comment. You still spew that hate. What have I ever done to you to come here and shit on my feelings and on the writers of all these comments. I do not understand. I know Thoth has never done anything to you, So why the blinding hatred. If this is not blind jealousy, I don't know what is.

Thank you so much Trig for your kindness.
I've had my own PM's with Thoth rainee174. No I will not share, but he or she was an asshole. And just like you said above, We don't know if Thoth has a wife or a husband, or not, etc.. How do YOU know who the Judge was (all posts have been deleted)?

I
No disrespect at all intended towards you, but also must ask why you think I might be jealous?
Trig, if someone recognizes Thoth for the manipulating misogynistic piece of shit he is they MUST be jealous doncha know. That's true 'cause Thoth told me so himself and because his groupies repeat it ad nauseam.

Mugwumps and moonbats, mugwumps and moonbats!
I guess now I must make a post of my own, a post of (hundreds of, maybe thousands) women giving me compliments in comments, to prove my non-jealousy... Sheez
Rainee, since you're into making compilations of comments, here is a brief selection of some of Thoth's remarks.

On this post:

http://open.salon.com/blog/sirenitalake/2009/03/29/
nanatehay_my_hero#comment_440203


What the fuck is that? You are such an idiot.

Thoth
APRIL 06, 2009 12:54 AM


On this post:

http://open.salon.com/blog/jon_henner/2009/04/03/
this_is_for_all_the_roads_ive_loved_before#comment_440190

O my God,
You are not only ignorant and very stupid, you are one ugly mother fucker.

Thoth
APRIL 06, 2009 12:48 AM


On this post:

http://open.salon.com/blog/drew-silla/
2009/03/23/jane_smithie_shill_for_the_john_birch_society
#comment_440176

O my God,
I really did not think that you were such a bad writer.
You are just an idiot.

Thoth
APRIL 06, 2009 12:40 AM



Those are just three of his comments from one 15 minute period after he followed those three OSers back to their blogs and attacked them for - what? As near as I could see it was for disagreeing with him on one of his posts. The people attacked were two women, Sirenita Lake and Drew-Silla, and Jon Henner, a very mild mannered, decent person.

Anyway, that's your hero, Rainee, the guy who says on his bio "My hope is to introduce civility, class--unrelated to money--and honor into American culture. I am the defender of the weak. Yeah right, the defender of the weak is the same guy who calls people "ugly motherfuckers" and "idiots" when they express their opinions. He's free to say whatever he wants, of course, and you're free to believe whatever you like about him, but by the same token people who are less than enchanted with Mr. Thoth are also free to say how they feel on the topic. Sorry if that bothers you.
That would be Mr. OR Mrs. Thoth, because as rainee pointed out, we just don't know.
What was that Japanese movie that was about 4 different versions of the same event, told by 4 people at the scene? Why does my sister remember horrific events that she says were perpetrated by my mother when we was young. None of which I remember. Why does half the OS commenting population hate Thoth, while the other half loves him. I am clueless. Personally, I'm glad he's back.
Ardee, do you remember Jon Henner? He's not around OS much these days, but when he was around, Jon was always a very civil, nicely spoken person who'd never hurt a fly. Please tell me, if you do remember him, do you think Jon Henner is an ugly motherfucker? If you don't think he is an ugly motherfucker, why do you admire the person who called him one? Now, if you don't remember Jon and therefore aren't concerned that he was called an ugly motherfucker, fine, but for those of us who are bothered when we see that kind of unwarranted, vicious attack, it's not about us having a different take on reality from you; it is that we are paying attention to the actual behavior of the person behind Thoth's smirking avatar and pompous, self-c0ngratulatory bio.
Thoth, to me, brings to mind the word CONTRIVED. Love him up lady's!
I can't say I love Thoth, and I can't say I hate him. I believe I may have been told I have a nice ass by one of his personas, a Ms. Angela Flicker of Green Hills, Kentucky, but I can't prove it.

If it was Thoth, and the true Thoth, I will say this, Angela had a smoking body and I'd go to the candy store with Thoth any day of the week.

Yes, for a nice ass, smoldering eyes, and legs that never stop, I would sell all of you, including trig and Nana, for a $1.95.

I also was called 'An angry white man with a passion in his loins and a burnt up toaster in his ass....' by someone called Thoth back in 1979.

If it was the same Thoth who said that, well, he was a doctor, a proctologist and again, I would sell you all for one more day with that Thoth.

So where do I stand?

Right here, in America, land of the free(Free Credit Check!! Got to make sure its still AWFUL AS HELL!!) and the Home of the Brave(Atlanta Braves!!!) and where a man can be queen, if only for a day!!

The rest, I just take as pure gravy!!!!

You can all put that in your 'Best of the Worst Comments by Tinkerertink69' which I know, you all don't even keep. But you keep Thoth's??

All a bunch of coc....nah.....I'm kidding....~hug~
Seer, Thoth is not a mirror, except perhaps for you and others of his fans. Please speak for yourself and don't project that psychobabblistic nonsense onto the rest of us. I will ask you the same questions I asked Ardee: do you remember Jon Henner? He's not around OS much these days, but when he was around, Jon was always a very civil, nicely spoken person who'd never hurt a fly. Please tell me, if you do remember him, do you think Jon Henner is an ugly motherfucker? If you don't think he is an ugly motherfucker, why do you admire the person who called him one? Now, if you don't know Jon and therefore aren't concerned that he was called an ugly motherfucker, fine, but for those of us who are bothered when we see that kind of unwarranted, vicious attack, it's not about us having a different take on reality from you or getting a different "reflection" from someone. It is that we are paying attention to the actual behavior of the person behind Thoth's avatar and sugary words.
OMG! What is this? Look mommy Thoth says bad words too. So what you both use bad language and reading your comments I guess we all should use bad language to respond to people like you.

You come to my blog like gangsters using filthy language hoping to change the subject. Am I supposed to get scared now.

This is not about who uses bad language. You said Thoth writes gibberish and I showed you lying. And this is not a compilation of Thoth’s comments. It what many people on OS think of Thoth and his writing. I am sorry I will not use such nasty language. Calm down and just don’t lie anymore.
@ Trig,

I'll bite. Are you kidding? You (and your brother and your other three friends) are spending a huge amount of effort and sleepless nights following Thoth around and saying lies about him. Look how many bullshit comments that have nothing to do with the point of my post did you and your brother make. What do you call that, a crush? I did not believe it until I saw it here. You guys are out of your minds with hatred and jealousy. Thank you for your comment.
Rainee, get a grip! "You come to my blog like gangsters using filthy language hoping to change the subject."

The only "filthy language" I see here is that quoted from your Thoth.

Change the subject? Is the subject THOTH? Maybe I misread? Or, wait, the SUBJECT is that Thoth is some kind of deity to be worshipped! Thoth is The Man, in capitals. You were hoping for circle jerk agreements across the board?

Your sure he's a man? Really?

You made a huge point of saying "No one on OS knows anything about Thoth except for his avatar and posts." So, really?

I am a man. I've posted hundreds of pictures of myself at my blog. Has "Thoth?" Just that one silly ass avatar pic which is apparently ever too intoxicating... sigh

I love women. I love you, but please, grow up!
Rainee, you are easily one of the most simple-minded people I've yet met in Open Salon, and that is against some very stiff competition. I didn't say this was a compilation of THOTH'S comments, Einstein, and the only dirty language I used here was a quote from your demi-god. Also, it wasn't a remark he made to ME, it was a remark to Jon Henner. As Trig says, the subject of the post was Thoth and the respondents discussed Thoth, so please tell me how we are *changing the subject.* It cracks me up that you quote me in your post but call me a gangster when I dare to respond. What a juvenile, lightweight, excitable little fluffball you are.
i dunno why i'm getting into this... i have no dog in this fight really.

BUT -

someone once asked me if thoth ever hit on me .
i said "no. im not his type."
they said "his type?"
i said "yeah, i'm not damaged"

do i know thoth personally? nope. but you admit not to knowing either.

i have observed his comments and his blogs in the past (including the mean spirited ones he has since deleted).

my observations were that he targets vulnerable women...if targets is too strong a word for you then perhaps 'sought out'. i also observed that he is not the nice guy he presents himself to be. his own words trip him up and reveal him as something else.

just last night he made some inane comment about dishonesty stemming from poverty... it wasnt the first time i saw his words not matching his supposed image. hell, even his profile screams of haughty, superiority issues. generally when things arent consistent there is a reason.

people can call trig & nanna assholes (i know you didnt..my words not yours) and they often do, but at least there is consistency in their words. at least you know what you're getting with them...
@ nana

OMG, I just said the exact same things about you!
The subject, genius, is the truth and lies about Thoth. You lied about Thoth. You lied about his writing. You did not lie about Thoth using bad language. The post does not say that. You lied.

You are not cracking up, you are falling apart, you are lashing aimlessly. Stop digging, genius.
I do have to, I suppose, admire Toth for, if nothing else, the rabidity of his faithful. Still, I freaking swear, I'm not jealous. LMAO!

nanatehay, I must admonish you here in public however, for using language like "excitable little fluffball."
@ lorainne,

It is very obvious that you do not have a dog in the fight. So Thoth hates the poor? Like you I will disregard all these comments about how good a writer Thoth is and I will advise him to seek psychological help, because it seems that he is...what did you say...oh, inconsistent.

Thank you so much for coming over and not taking sides!
Nana, I said I was clueless, isn't that enough for you? I have not been a target of Thoth's namecalling, but now I've been a target of yours. And I didn't say anything about you at all. I didn't make any personal attacks on anyone, other than my sister, maybe. Why don't you take your anger and do something else with it, other than alienate everyone.
perhaps i was incorrect saying i did not have a dog in this fight. perhaps i should have clarified that my dog is my observations and opinion.

my mistake. in the future i will remember the comment section here is only for praise and agreement with the writer.
Ardee, rather than answering my questions you accuse me of calling you names. Weak. Where did I call you a name? Please quote it back to me. If my comments *alienate* you, trust me, I'm not in the least concerned. :D


OMG, Rainee, what an amazing coincidence! Except, wait a minute. You accuse me of lying when I called Thoth's writing gibberish, yet an assessment of the relative merits of a piece of writing, as with many things, is something that's arrived at in a subjective manner, so to be more accurate, I called Thoth's writing gibberish because to me it is gibberish, or nearly so, and that statement is not a lie but rather my personal take on something which I think we'd all agree I have a right to an opinion. If you see my statment as a *lie* and if you see Thoth's gibberish as high art you're entitled to that opinion, but please exercise a little rigor when you throw out terms like LIE.
Careful Lorianne, you're going to alienate *everyone.*
@ nana

Excellent post Thoth. It's great to know history, and even myths have their uses, but as you point out, they are easily amenable to the purposes of liars and thieves. We've come a long way since the days of the Founding Fathers, but despite the massive increases in wealth and power of the country, and the advances in science and society, we've become intellectually and politically less than we were in those days.
"When the corporate-appointed useless middleman (for example, insurance companies) is robbing the citizens and the citizens know that they are being robbed by the middleman, but the citizens still blindly protect and promote the middleman; what do you call that? I call it malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame."
The malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame; that's as good a way to put it as any. We're living under a self-imposed dictatorship of ignorance and apathy, and seem perfectly content as a people to throw democracy in the rubbish bin. In an era when we need leadership of the calibre of Jefferson or Lincoln or FDR, all we get is gansters and timid technocrats and and promoters of the rotten status quo. I'm not hopeful for the future.

Nanatehay Jan 21 2010 12:38 PM

When exactly did you lie? Here or when you said gibberish.

Enough is enough, we know you do not like Thoth. We get the message. Are you going to spend the rest of your life following him from post to post and plotting against him with you friends. Jesus, what a life.
Rainee you have to accept that putting the name of one of OS's most divisive bloggers in the title of your post will result in division.

I've managed to keep the soles of my shoes clean since its re-appearance - not even the comment on a child-abuse
piece ( "Awww ... cute ... " ) - I was determined to bite my tongue.

Then yesterday I read, "This ( dishonesty ) stems from being ignorant, superficial, and usually of humble beginnings."

Do you really expect people to allow it to pass without challenge ?
Is that the kind of thing we should agree on ?

From the author of " Go back to your pigs and do not f... with humans again you retard."
I have serious issues with the use of the word "retard" in a derogatory context, to say nothing of the rest of that "civil, honorable, classy " response to a reasonable question and I will NOT let it pass without comment.

I have 2 daughters, Rainee - young women who like me read the same bloggers' Letter To Myself At Seventeen : Love Story with amusement at first, then concern, then a mounting horror as we looked down the comment thread at the hopelessly sincere adulation it received.
There's no 'jealousy' here or with trig - who needs 'jealousy' ? The word is 'disgust.'

I won't ignore what is right there in front of me - I'll step around it, catch up to the owner and point it out.

I thank your for raising the issue - there are many new readers since that person left, and it's only right that they be made aware.

It's a beautiful place, but dogs still need to be kerbed.
taking bets on number of minutes before comments closed, and giving odds it's within the hour.
Kim... YOU, I worship. Thoth, well, maybe he has a split personality or something. Might be a cool person in daylight hours, strange at night. As rainee points out, we just don't know.
@ Kim Gamble,

Hey! I wondered when you were going to show up. This is your dream post.

Thoth gets adulation because he is a good writer. Read the comments, which by the way were written by some of the best writers and strongest women on OS (watch out nana). Thoth always advises new bloggers to read (something other than the dictionary). Work on your writing and you might get there. Thoth is not a magician, he is simply a much better writer than many, including you.

I just showed you that Thoth did not cause Frank to leave OS so pleas stop pasting that same crap you have been pasting forever.

Tell your two daughters not to read Thoth. And don't "ignore" anything. Keep up the good fight. I just fail to see how following Thoth like a dog would hurt his popularity.

Do not fool yourself, Kim and do not belittle me. You cannot "kerb" Thoth, and you do not "kerb" Thoth, you follow Thoth like a dog from post to post spewing the same crap. At least nana and Trig have different stories each time. You, on the other hand have been using your two daughters against Thoth forever, God knows why.

Thoth has written about and for the poor more than anyone on OS, and you know it. That shit about "humble beginnings" is not even a cheap shot, it is nothing. Understand the context before you open your mouth.

All I asked is some respect for the feelings of Thoth's fans. If you cannot give it, thank you still very much.
@ Trig,

I wouldn't if I were you. Not you and your "friends" can ever make me close comments, boy.
" ... rather than just dropping into the pool like other players, I walk slowly at first—in my tough rubber ( amended - originally it was leather - kg. ) Speedo—towards the pool then speed up, reach the edge running and do a perfect splash-less flying-fish dive, emerge from the water, fling my head/long hair back—this gets a lot of ahs and oohs from the women in the stands—look straight at her for a second, as in, this is for you."

@ trig : this is a cool person in the daylight hours ?
Where I come from this is not even funny - this is some kind of creepy.
You, on the other hand have been using your two daughters against Thoth forever, God knows why.

Rainee, "You ... have been using your two daughters against Thoth forever, God knows why."
Essentially because I care about them, and this is a clear example of the kind of person they and their friends should avoid at all costs.
Both have had their fair share of creeps in their lives, but nothing like this. Maybe it's an American thing, and you're used to it - in Australia it's different.

'Thoth has written about and for the poor more than anyone on OS, and you know it. That shit about "humble beginnings" is not even a cheap shot, it is nothing. Understand the context before you open your mouth."
That "shit," as you correctly put it, is a direct quote.
The context is on Bleue's post, yesterday.
I don't "follow" creeps around, rainee - this one just keeps turning up ; I can no more ignore than the stench that arises whenever someone nearby steps in it.
Boy? Rainee! My goodness, as I remember we've never crossed horns before. We disagree. I say Thoth is an asshole, possibly a misogynistic right wing creep, based on my observations. You say he's a great guy, or girl, plus a bag of chips. Why ya gotta call me "boy?" Most definite divisiveness here. I wish he was still locked up, but that's just me. You are of course in no danger here of opening your eyes or gaining more intuition than that what God gave ya. Incredible. Hell, I'll even rate now.
@ Trig,

And I thought you dig. In Texas, we call everybody boy, even if he's seventy. It is a term of endearment. what happen to the cool?
So many typos and misplacements in that comment I'd understand if you deleted it. My apologies, I was making lunch.

The essence of what I was trying to say is : I love my daughters. A father feels bound to expose creepiness when he sees it.

I don't follow anyone on OS - like you I have favourites, and it happens that in recent weeks this person has left a dropping on posts I've visited. Justify the Awww ... cute one, if you feel up to it, or the dishonesty one - you seem to think I took it out of context.
Whatever you think about the comment to Frank, you don't seem to see a disjunct between it and the commenter's "credo."

Ultimately I'm done with stepping around things like this. Thanks for the forum to say so.
Kim, vegemite sandwich, or roasted wallaby? Ha ha!

Sorry rainee, apparently outside of TEXAS, at least here, BOY is not a term of endearment. Still, I feel endeared towards your... simpleness
Just a quick note, because I feel many people were not here back when this occurred. You are asking people not to comment harshly on other's posts. The Judge came on posts for a time of a few weeks and the comments were most vile. On other people's blogs. Exactly what you are asking other people not to do. He/she/it insulted many people here on their blogs. I was on a blog in question when it occurred.
The JUDGE was-is the Thoth. The style of exemplar writing was exact. The tone... one in the same. I wrote a post on it way back when, when "it" was happening.

Hi Rita... WRITE THE SMEGMA POST!
Braised bandicoot & yams, actually.
@ Rita,

Welcome ! What does that have to do with following Thoth around and spewing vile on his blog? The Judge was doing the same thing your friends were doing to Thoth, not the other way around. Do you remember how many posts your friends started saying vile stuff about Thoth. That was long, long time before The Judge decided to defend Thoth. I do not understand your comment.

@ Trig,

Now you are being an asshole! Who are you calling simple. Is that what your mama taught you. Tone it down.
Kim, it alienates me that you'd combine yams with bandicoot. The preferred accompaniment would be taro root with tree-fern pollen garnish. Kpppft.
@ Trig,

No it was not the same style. Please, don't make me puke and talk about writing styles. Writing is not your best suit, let alone, writing styles.
@ nana,

If I were you I would be careful who I call gullible women. You better go back and see who these comments belong to.

I am so proud of you three grown men sounding like helpless old ladies ganging up on poor me. And you keep asking for others to come out of the blue to help you out. What a bunch of pussies.
"tree-fern pollen garnish?" Intriguing!
I think I know what happened and inadvertently it's all my fault. In 2009 when no one cared about me Thoth came to my blog when no one ever commented. He just kept saying nice things even though I wrote shit. Even though I would flip out and delete.

He kept coming but never sent anything but very polite simple PM's just like he did on the posts. Then last year someone got interested in me and a friend of this someone may not have liked seeing Thoth befriend me. Perhaps thinking my head would be swayed by Thoth, I don't know.

Things went bad and I found out I had been decieved by more than one person. I was also very physically ill, I withdrew for a while when things were escalating. When I came back I had missed much. I don't want to out the other blogger or start posting someone elses PM's but I don't know what to do.

Jack Heart probably hates me right now because I was a stupid trusting girl. I sent Trig a PM about it a long time ago because I was afraid I had a stalker. I found the man who lied to me and the blogger that I think may be part of this lied to me about quite a few things. Things I checked public records on.

Now I am ashamed, not only am I a fool, I think I'm indirectly responsible for what happened to Thoth. I think the friend of the man wanted to keep me for him and not get distracted by Thoth, later when I got mad at the man I think it escalated the rage.

I'm sorry but I don't know what to do, I don't want to out anyone. Now what should I do?
"And you keep asking for others to come out of the blue to help you out."

Did I ask? Did someone else ask? What did I miss? And now, I've been relegated from boy, to pussy? Wheeeeee! I do love OS, and I'm so glad you wrote this post. I was fixin' (fixin' we share w/TEXAS) to write one on the same subject. Now, no need. Would rate again if I could.
OK - I'll bite. I have no idea who Thoth or many people are. Here's my personal experience with him - when I first came on board he wrote encouraging comments. I appreciated that. One night months later I was reading some of the attacks on him and I went looking at some of his old blogs - I found one dating back to 2009, I think, and frankly, I thought it wasn't very respectful of "fat" women. I wrote him a civil pm with my thoughts. He responded in a very civil manner. The pm's ended with us agreeing to disagree.

And before ya'll start tossing tomatoes and all manner of stuff at me - I ain't supporting anyone - only giving my own very limited experience. And who in the world cares if some folks like some people, and some folks don't like some people??

Oh, heck - throw the stuff at me anyway....
Kit, I ain't gonna throw tomatoes. You had something to say and you said it straightforwardly. That might get tomatoes from Rainee and some of the other floofballs around here but not from me.
Oh Hell Bleue... nothing at all that has to do with all this is your fault. You may not have realized, women in pain, somewhat vulnerable for whatever reason, fit the profile of the Thoth 'friend' and he was just there to make you 'feel better,' and he always supported you. He was 'sweet' to my girlfriend too, for the same reasons. Look upwards at lorianne's comment. The possibility exists that he's something far different than what you perceive/perceived, as rainee has stated.

KitD will get no tomatoes from me, at least not tonight.
I really do have to wonder though, if Thoth is such a stand-up feller, why his fans feel the need to do these posts defending him. Don't his god-like nobility and incredible, warm, caring kindness speak for themselves? Someone please enlighten me as to why if I express my honest opinion of his writing I am labelled a liar by precious little nitwits like Rainee? It's almost like there's a cult or something, and a particularly idiotic one.
And Bleue, Thoth's difficulties have nothing to do with you, they are strictly of his own making. Please don't kick yourself for any of this.
I came on to him ... well, actually, we were in the slammer together and I punked him out, made him wear a dress ... than pimped him up down the cell block for cigarettes ... and, I will do it to the rest of you f&%*ing CANDY ASS KOOKS if you every waste my time again reading 7th Grade Bitch post ever a'f#@$king gain!

F'ing SCRUB PATROL

not f'ing rated- grow up dweeb
To this day, I haven't figured out why there are those who dislike Thoth. I've seen nothing but kindness in his posts and comments. No one has even attempted to explain any of this to me. It's all so immature and high schoolish.
Wait.

Who is Thoth?
How many of you are Thoth?
Is Thoth one of you?
Is one of you Thoth?

I am sooooo confused I think that you people are all each other.

*runs from room*
PATRICIA K... read the comments my neighbor. Some here have observed behaviors, written words on record, that you may have missed. Educate yourself.

Oahu Surfer just jumped ranks over a couple of OSers in my ranking status. Really, amongst male contributors, right up there with Lonnie, Tink, Paul J. O'Rourke, and my brother... and they say never mention names... Tom Cordle... f**k
Patricia, if you want to "figure it out" please read my comments and the comments of others here. If you don't want to bother acquainting yourself with the facts, well, that's fairly high schoolish in its own right.
@ nana,

Who are you calling a nitwit? You have been here all day fuming and frothing out of the mouth like a stupid dog. Look how many comments you wrote, spewing lies and shit about a guy that does not even know you exist. Nothing you say will ever change how we feel about Thoth.

And don't ever compare yourself to Thoth. He is a fine writer, you are a dictionary-carrying, foul-mouth, bully. You are an asshole and everyone knows that. You even admit and are proud that you are a despicable asshole. Don't call me names. Obviously your "mother" did not teach you any manners.

You and your friends posted what 6 or 10posts defaming Thoth. Nothing happened and nothing will happen. I posted this one because I am sick and tired of you dogs following Thoth around and barking.

All day long you have been stuck here barking like a dog. Who is the nitwit now, asshole.
Zuma, come back, I'm only Thoth on alternate Wednesdays, I swear it!
Oooo, Rainee says "Nuh-huh, YOU are!" To elaborate on a point I made earlier, you write a post calling me a liar and then berate me when I respond to it. I take back the charge of nitwit and replace it with smarmy, braindead little bitch. Does that work better for ya, Rainz?
Is this one of those "flame wars" I have been reading about here?

Flame on!
Thoth is pleasant right up until you challenge him, no matter how gently. And that goes double for women.

As the Judge -- and anyone who doubts that he wasn't the Judge should speak to OS management -- he wrote some of the most hateful things I have ever seen on my blog and on lots of other people's blogs as well. Before that happened, he got nasty with me a few times when I didn't comment on his posts fast enough or praise him enough. He turned from sickly sweet to nasty on a dime.

He targets vulnerable women, that is his pattern, and HE said he was a doctor. He's said a lot of things in fact and mama always taught me that if a person lies a lot, they probably have something to hide. I don't care if he's a liar or a sexual creep, but I do care that he preys on the vulnerable, and that he has said some of the worst things of any OS member to other people here. He saves his worst venom for women which tells me all I need to know.

I gave him a lot of chances until he got nasty with me and others. You can believe what you like rainee, and Thoth can delete all he wants. The fact remains that he ran a one-man campaign of filth here as the Judge and lots of members here, including the editors, know it.
I do however think Oahusurfer raises some valid points. Thoughts? Anyone?
@ Trig

"PATRICIA K... read the comments my neighbor. Some here have observed behaviors, written words on record, that you may have missed. Educate yourself."

You are a smug little devil, aren't you?
Fett, this little twit wrote a post calling me a liar. If you're disappointed that I take issue with that, I guess you need to go back to the Daily Show forum.
My Goodness. I have not seen so much drama since the days before the vote for prom king and queen.

Thoth strikes me as being among the best thinkers and writers here. He has also been encouraging for me as a writer, as have many others on OS.

On OS and in life, I hope for civility, even in the face of disagreements.
@ L'heure Bleue and Patricia K

Thank you so much, my dears. do not listen to these wounded emasculated little men, they are torn with hatred and jealousy.
Am I like the only woman on OS who doesn't desire Thoth, doesn't admire Thoth, doesn't care to fight or defend here... nothing personal, which is the whole point. He hasn't offended me personally, and yet so many people, mostly women, seem to find themselves fanatically for him and so many others fanatically against. Stick to the blogommentary, and it will work out fine. If you can PM nicely, then great. If you can't, it's probably you.
Thoth, will be seeing you around the blogquad.
Did you ask Thoth permission to write this? Because I always have a huge problem with these sorts of post that are basically begging for a reaction - and usually an incendiary reaction. You assume you're speaking for people who you don't name. And you're speaking for someone who has not yet popped up on this thread.
I'm sad this has your ire up today - but you caused the tempest in the teapot which has only served to force you to defend someone who is not, apparently, showing up to defend himself.
It really makes me sad when this happens.
If Thoth is who he says he is then I would assume he can defend himself.
This happened recently with catherine Forsythe, although I thin even Thoth would agree that CF was a much more prolific and supportive contributor here.
LET PEOPLE SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. It's inane to say this person or that person is hurt by this person or that person. it's impossible to know, unless the person speaks for themself.
You haven't posted for awhile, and I remember enjoying your posts.
I hope you stick around and write again.
This is just really stupid. Accusations, innuendoes, dueling quotes. Who cares?
If Thoth is back, well, I think he can handle it, although your gesture is very sweetish - also a bit passive aggresive.

GAH! Adult diapers for everyone tonight.
Have I called you names rainee? This is truly seventh grade.
In reality, who gives a flying fuck? I just come here for the entertainment. Now go read my post, rate it twice, and leave a glowing review ASAP.

Gotta wonder though if THE MAN sits and reads all this without coming to your/his defense. I'm thinking YES. Good night, and may we all have a better 2moro!
I disagree, the comments were a defense against the attack on Art James.
@ l'Heure Bleue :
"He kept coming but never sent anything but very polite simple PM's just like he did on the posts."
I don't know what you call it in America ; in Australia we call it "grooming."
@ emma peel,

No one hates Thoth as much as you do. You followed him around long before The Judge. If Thoth was the Judge, what he was getting revenge, good for him. You (have you noticed how you are coming out of the woodwork with new lies to help the pussies here) all started a campaign against Thoth long before The Judge.

So you ganged up on Thoth (what 10 posts + nasty comments on his blog) and he became the Judge (which is a lie) and said some bad things to get back at you. So what. How does that affect his writing. How does that make him a bad writer.

And what about the other 10 or 15 bloggers you kept calling Thoth. Why aren't you mentioning them? I give this, I read the post The Judge wrote about you. That was soooo nasty. I am surprised you are still here.

Did you read these comments above, emma peel? Do you have anything to say about Thoth's writing? and please, do not mention the word management again. we both know that is bullshit.

I understand the pain guys like nana, Trig and Art james feel when they think about Thoth, but why do you hate him so much?

Nana! what took you so long to call emma, the greatest Thoth Hater?
I do find Rainee's version of reality fascinating. She says:

"You and your friends posted what 6 or 10posts defaming Thoth."

Six or ten posts? Really? Rainee, can you provide us links to these posts? I'd love to see them. Or are you just pulling more porkies out of your ass? I'm guessing you are. For someone who is calling me a liar you seem a little, how shall I put this...veracity-challenged.
I am trying to understand, rainee, you say you are going through a personal tragedy. Is this whole deal with Thoth your personal tragedy or is something else going on in your life? Because if bloggers insulting each other (and one of them is not you) is a personal tragedy then you may need...well I won't tell you what I think you may need but the whole thing is very odd indeed...
@ Aim,

Yes I asked Thoth like I said in the post if I can write this and he said no. But I told him that it is about me not him. He warned me and wished me luck. I just want to understand how can people lie like that and try to destroy something nice.

The worst part is I have been getting this impression for a long time. Thoth does not care at all what they say about him, but we do.
I just now noticed this:

"Nana! what took you so long to call emma, the greatest Thoth Hater?"


Emma, what DID take me so long to call you, the greatest Thoth hater? Apparently Rainee imagines there's an anti-Thoth hotline us evil folk communicate on. Oh my goodness! :P
Still waiting on links to those 6 or 10 posts, Rainz. Waiting...
@ nana,

Poor guy! Is this the best you can do? You must be tired for an angry asshole who's been here all day hating another guy. OK, I don't know how many attack posts have been dedicated to defaming Thoth. I admit that. You got me. You should be able to tell us. You were in on all of them. Ask emma peel. I know they were many.
Wow. There is no conspiracy rainee. I haven't been on OS since Sunday, just happened to log on and see Thoth's name in a title on the feed. I'm sorry you feel the need to call me names. I don't bear you any ill will at all and never have.

I spoke to the editors here during the Judge/Thoth rampage since his posts about me were so over the top -- yes, you read it right -- he wrote at least one post calling me names in the title and throughout. He had other aliases too where he made lewd suggestions about my husband and our sex live. I can show you the post if you like since I happened to have copied it. Proof counts for something, and so does writing style. As a professional writer/editor/educator, do you honestly think I don't recognize syntax and style? Emily remembers the Thoth/Judge incident well and I have PMs to prove that too.
that should be sex "life"
@ nana,

Oh, don't be stupid now. Go to any of these Thoth Hate posts and you will see the same 5 or 6 or 7 haters making comments over and over and over again.
Present here since earlier today are three wounded dogs and Art left couple of ladies came in (not members) and the most vicious of all haters, emma peel showed up to save your stupid. I am waiting for stellaa and Drewsilla and that one with the boobs.

Don't do this idiot thing: oh, look she is imagining that we gang up on Thoth. Yes you do. You hate the guy so much it is hurting you. Look, you are still stuck here, poor nitwit.
Oh I am sorry, miss emma,

You followed him around and defamed him. He attacked you under another name. What is the problem?

I am not calling you names. I have never read anyone who hates Thoth like you. You are always in these posts saying shit about him LONG BEFORE THE JUDGE.

IS THAT NOT TRUE?
"OK, I don't know how many attack posts have been dedicated to defaming Thoth. I admit that. You got me. You should be able to tell us. You were in on all of them. Ask emma peel. I know they were many."

But...you said there were 6 or 10 of them. If you just made that up, what else are you making up? I still want to see some links to this large number of posts. Failing that, you're left looking pretty much like the lying little dimwit you are. Fair enough? Alrighty then, I'll be back in a while to check out those links. Thanks Rainz.
@ emma and nana

Don't say there is no conspiracy. We all know these posts. We all saw your comments. We all know exactly who you are. So unless there is a Thoth Hate Club that we don't know about, it is a conspiracy.

The same bunch keep making the same shitty comments over and over and over to make look like there is a hundred people hating Thoth. We are not stupid, emma peel. If you want respect you must extend respect.
@ Rainee: Who is we? You say Thoth doesn't care, but "we" do. Who are you speaking for? Who is this "we"?
I still think Thoth himself should show up, but if that isn't going to happen please tell me more about "we".
Hey nana,

Oh, no it does not work that way. your lie is here for all to see. You, like the little she dog you are want to have the last insult. You are such a girl, and bad one at that. Stuck here all day and night hating a guy that does not know you exist, barking like a dog, makes you a nobody with no life, just hate for good people.
@ Aim,

I did not know that I am the only one who likes Thoth. If that is the case, then, I take it back. I will say I. OK, may be me and just a few friends who like Thoth. Do you want their names?
I am not part of a conspiracy and that is exactly the kind of paranoid thinking that Thoth engages in. I see that it is contagious. I do not want the respect of a man I do not respect. Maybe you haven't noticed but nana and tr ig and I cross swords regularly. Many, many people loathe Thoth for the things that he has done. Some are no longer here such as Ablonde, Stellaa, JKBrady andWould Someone Please Feed the Cat to name a few. The latter was called a pedophile by Thoth in a PM so vicious that she left OS soon afterward.

Thoth is such a gentleman that he hasn't defended himself or you on this post even though he's online; instead he is letting his friend, you, do all the dirty work. That makes me sad, but it's in character.

The first thing I thought when I read this post is that Thoth was running up a flag to see what the reactions to his coming back would be. I think he knows now that many of us remember the Judge, and the man before that too.

After what Thoth did, how can you possibly defend him? You can drink the Kool Aid all you want but the truth is out there and Thoth is the Judge and only you don't seem to know it.
Emma,

So what. How many time s do I have to say it. If he is the judge you are the gang that attacked Thoth LONG BEFORE THE JUDGE. So what? I don't understand. You attacked him and he attacked you. Why do you keep repeating the words The Judge. It is the same you said nasty things The Judge said nasty things. Are you somehow more privileged.

Don't ever talk about Thoth's character. He stood alone among monsters including you defending BFTQ. Did you forget that? Thoth defends his friends alright. What hurts I guess is that he does not give a shit what you think. and please, talk normal, and tone it down a bit. You are NOT an OS editor, you are just a member. You only role is that you were one of the people who complained against the judge. The Judge was shut down but the ones who attacked Thoth were not.

I was talking about my respect for you and your respect for me. You and I know that Thoth does not give a shit about your respect for him. That is why he is not here.

I am not defending him. I just was hoping for some civility. It is really nasty when Thoth makes a comment anywhere and one of you attacks him personally.

Thoth has been commenting for over a week now and we all know that Thoth does not post regularly. He will post when he wants. Are you preparing a campaign for his coming back post? Tell me now I won't tell.

You must be so proud of yourself trying to destroy the guy that these comments above were said about him. Go ahead, I don't think he cares.
@ emma,

You were going to let that one slip. Thoth does not need to defend himself. I don't see anyone complaining about Thoth. Thoth does not need defending.
So I am a "monster" because I disagree with you that a mother who writes about her young daughter having her period and posts her minor daughter's picture and hometown along with that information is someone who should be applauded? The fact that Thoth that was appropriate behavior from a mother tells me all I need to know about him. Yes, I will always be a "monster" when it comes to protecting children from the REAL pedophiles the are everywhere on the Internet. Who Will Feed the Cat was NOT a pedophile for pointing out that this was incredibly dangerous behavior. As for BFTQ, she disappeared pretty quickly after milking OS for all the attention she could get.
Here's part of what 'The judge" had to say to a benign commenter on my blog, Sanctuary :

"You are too ugly to fuck so go fuck yourself."

Nice friends, rainee. You won't address 'Awww.... cute' ; you won't look at the dishonesty quote, and you won't redress the foulness spat at Frank. Your friends, I notice, must have "skipped over" all that too.

Beginning this post by saying "I have been going through a personal tragedy..." doesn't cut it, rainee.
This has got to be the most disingenuous piece of crap I've read on OS. You could at least have had the decency to call it what it is, or failing that, defend even one accusation made against your friend, but nup, you chose not to.

You knew exactly what this was about, and I don't mind telling you I despise you for it.
"Thoth has written about and for the poor more than anyone on OS,"
I think Harry's Ghost has that particular theme covered both more and, IMHO, better.
This is one of those comment threads mumbletypeg talked about last Friday... the kind where you can roast marshmallows on your monitor. Saw Thoth commented at Robin Sneed's at 12:30am eastern, and no I didn't STALK him. Was just following up. I was the first comment. My point being, he was online and couldn't find time to come over here and add some civility and class. Sure could have used it here. Whew!!
Yet thy horns will resound within the boundaries of these immortal grounds pronouncing, yet again, “freedom of speech.” when thou own selves are cast into the pit of dogs.

Enjoy and have a good day.
JUDGE NOT THE GOD IN THE LEATHER SPEEDO, lest ye be judged yerself. Well, actually, Judge WAS the god in the leather speedo.

Thing is, there are lots of good writers, and good people, here on Oh-Ess and they don't elicit comments like 'oh my god that was so wonderful, thank you thank you, I've read this a hundred times and I'll read it a hundred more.' It's weird. Smells like dirty sockpuppetry. Or...hypnosis by internet? And you yourself, Rainee, don't sound real. I went back to read your previous posts. Um, they sound unreal too.

Perhaps Thoth HAS been here defending himself after all!
@ Aim, Damn!

@ Kim, enough with bull

@ Disco, I know you grew up hearing truckers call your mother that name on their way out the door. You are a coward defending a bigger coward.

@ emma,

There was no picture of a 10 year old all the time you were stabbing BFTQ. You ran away after Thoth kicked your collective asses. And that is the truth. You did not answer one question I posed. You were just here to say shit about Thoth and to try to help your coward friend. To think that anyone, let alone someone who claims to be an editor, spends all the effort and energy trying to destroy talent is really, really sad, don't you think, miss Proper and Nice?
@ emma (Real Shit Sen...)

Jeez, girl, another fake account. How many do you have now? I think three, because I see two of them on Thoth's blog all the time.
@ Trig

I just told you twice. Thoth advised me against this post. You guys follow him around obsessed with him calling him names and pretending to despise. He does actually despise you and that is why he does not want to be anywhere near you. So he won't come here, you just have to keep the 24 hr watch. You can go to sleep now, emma peel is taking care of everything.
You think I'm Emma? I'm flattered. Obviously you don't have her skills in comparing syntax and stuff.
rainee174, aka thoth's mom, you went and said something derogatory about my writing, also implied several times that I am somehow jealous of your boy.

So, in my defense, lookie here...

http://open.salon.com/blog/trig_palin/2011/02/21/signing_over_my_son_to_the_navy

95 ratings, editors pick, 148 comments... I'll show you a few.

A wonderfully touching tribute to maturity; yours and his. Rated. I feel another EP is coming your way. This should be in big Salon..
OEsheepdog
February 22, 2011 11:50 AM

This is your finest post!

`R
Leepin Larry
February 22, 2011 11:56 AM

Steve, you made your Mama cry. For you, for my delightful and amazing grandson Eli.
For myself and my daughter and sons who have all crossed the threshold, at time with much pain and angst, while I held my breath and prayed. I still pray for all my chickens....children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren. The prayers change as each one evolves , but are constant, and will ever be.
And last but not least, This is your finest piece of writing...bar none. You make me proud.
asometimeyankee
February 22, 2011 12:13 PM

YES, asometimeyankee is our mother that you attempted to trash above.

One of the best things I've ever read here. Full of all of the love and ambivalence a father would feel about this. You may not have had a life plan, but it sounds like you raised a helluva kid.
Cranky Cuss
February 22, 2011 01:05 PM

I second Cranky's motion. Fine writing, fine fathering, fine young man.
TheBadScot
February 22, 2011 01:10 PM

A powerful, powerful piece, Trig. It gives me a whole new insight into you, your own youth and your relationship with Eli, who is not only a good-looking dude but is wise and has his head screwed on straight - thanks in large part, no doubt, to his dad. I know you're proud, and you should be. And I know you're already feeling the loss, but my guess is you'll adjust to that sooner than you now believe.

My dad and I had a down and out when I joined the Army in 1963. We weren't speaking when I left. Several weeks later, however, in the steady exchange of letters between my mother and me, she mentioned he'd had a change of heart. Soon thereafter I received a letter from him. All was forgiven (if not mentioned) and he made it clear he was proud of what I had done.

As to your writing here, this is absolutely the finest piece of yours I have seen and one of the finest pieces of writing by anyone I have ever seen. Bravo, bubba.
Matt Paust
February 22, 2011 01:15 PM

You have a beautiful boy in so many ways.
This is one of the best pieces I've read. Even if it breaks my heart~ the best ones always do. ~r
Joan H.
February 22, 2011 01:21 PM

Wow, I hadn't realized he was of recruitment age. I can understand your being conflicted...

Wow.

There are scary things about having daughters, but other scary things about sons. (Tho daughters get recruited these days too...)
Myriad
February 22, 2011 01:59 PM

Great comments to a great post. (I'm too freaked out to manage one myself.) Those curls!...
Myriad
February 22, 2011 02:08 PM

I liked the olive branch. Nice touch.
alsoknownas
February 22, 2011 02:16 PM

This is very intense. I'm very anti-military myself, but you give your kids wings to fly and they choose their journey. Your son is gorgeous - what a photo! And seems so thoughtful and intelligent. This is a powerful piece and like someone else said, you really should get the cover with this.
Kate Flannery
February 22, 2011 02:18 PM

I don't think I can add anything to what's already been said. This is just an achingly beautiful piece of writing. I hope you've let Eli read it. What a mature, intelligent, self-possessed young man you've raised. Being a meddling, mouthy mother I know I wouldn't have handled an announcement like that the way you did. Good for you. Being a parent is truly the hardest job in the world, but it has its rewards, doesn't it.
Margaret Feike
February 22, 2011 02:57 PM

You made me cry.... a beautiful post.
From The Midwest
February 22, 2011 03:20 PM

i've read this three times. it's that good.

eli has a life plan *because* he learned from you. sometimes our kids get things right despite what we see as our own deficiencies. in his case, it's obvious. and, contrary to what some may believe, there's nothing wrong with going into the navy to get a few years of discipline and maturity under your belt while getting college credits, especially in a crap economy like this one *and* especially when coming up with college tuition and finding available classes at pinched schools is difficult or impossible. your focus on his high score is *key*: he will go much, much farther than the average guy in the USN, they will recognize that he's far more capable than most. best of all, he will be doing something productive for himself, not just hanging around with some steak 'n shake job, hoping for something better to come along.

you should be very proud. of him. of the job you did. of writing this terrific piece. bravo, my kansas friend.
femme forte
February 22, 2011 04:40 PM

Trig, you did this admirably. No pun intended. I really mean it. There comes a time when we have done all we can and they have grown up before us and while they may still consult us, it is their life, and to own, they must make their decisions. He listened to you, he has been by your side through thick and thin. This is good experience for real life. Try not to worry too much, although that is the hardest and the stupidest thing to say to a loving parent. To let them fly we have to cut the strings. He seems so bright and intelligent, this might be just the kind of experience he really will grow in, he might just be a doctor one day, or a leader of men. I have sat back with three and watched a lot, said little, but brother look out if I was asked. They are used to it, the talking. In the end I have been forcing them to make their own decisions for years, why? I kept saying, good practice for you, I won't always be around to fight your battles, let you try, then I will be bring in the big guns if needed, as time wore on they were never needed. At that, we would send dad in before me. I was the last cotton pickin straw. That was by design.

You have raised a very fine son. All will be well, I think. I completely agree with Scanner on this too. He will have opportunity created for him by his intelligence.
SheilaTGTG55
February 22, 2011 07:23 PM

Wow Tr ig. You guys are great! Eli looks fantastic...I remember him biking with Mary in Boulder. Great kid...great Dad...Great post!
C Berg
February 22, 2011 07:30 PM

Oh trig, yes, I'm with everyone else, this is an outstanding piece in every way. And like many, I'm a teary mess right now. I had the highest honor of being in the presence of you and your son that summer weekend a couple of years ago. I told you at the end of it, as we all said our reluctant goodbyes, how impressed I was with you as a father, a role model and a buddy to your good son. And I told you how impressed I was with your beautiful and open Eli. Things I remember: His boldness and eagerness in asking me to take him for a bike ride on an early summer morn, his quick solo jaunt down to Pearl Street to become a teenage tourist for the afternoon, his curiosity, his comfort with adults, his love of YOU. I love him and I love the father you are to him. I've worked with many fathers and sons, and none of them come close to you and Eli. I swear, it's the god's honest truth. As a pacifist myself, I ache at the thought of huge hearted Eli in the Navy, but I'm not god and I'm not psychic. And many fine things can happen to him because of his brave and bold decision. And he will have many mothers and many fathers follow him these next four years. But first, you have some precious months to be with him and grand adventures for years to come. This I believe to be true with all my heart. Thank you for this.
marytkelly
February 22, 2011 08:31 PM


WOW! I'm speechless! (And it takes alot to get me to that point). The tears are rolling freely down my face for you. My heart aches for you. I agree with so many of the comments: You have a wonderful son because you are a wonderful dad; Your job as a parent is never ever over; Best post ever (which seems trivial in light of the subject matter). I am touched so deeply by this. I'm sending hugs to you my friend across the miles. Be proud of yourself and be proud of your son!
bucktownmom
February 22, 2011 03:00 PM

But remember, I'm jealous, and a shitty writer. What I am is real. Thoth, not so much.
The last time I commented on this post my computer would REFUSE to let me Post,
and I could not comment on any blogs. That was yesterday afternoon. I am wondering..

- goat gouda blueberry
is banned from Salon
-bebop-o
-GoodCelery!
what do I do?
Refunds dept?

I had two gold memberships.
Who can I file complaintwith?
FBI?
DoJ White Collar Crime Division?
@ Trig,

I am so happy for you. Why don't you stop obsessing with Thoth and this post and go write us a gem. It will be really sweet for you to write about something other than bashing nice people. I wish you all the luck in the world.

@ Art James,

As I said before, you are all heart. I am always impressed with your kindness.
@ Trig,

I know I should not but, not one single comment praises your writing abilities. The content is very nice and emotional and I agree. Let's just say (and I hope you understand) you have a different style of writing than Thoth. How is that?
@ Real Name Censored (emma)

You are a fake account. Like the rest of the fake accounts you have not written anything. There is syntax. You are here to bash people.
Trig and Nanatehay are the knights errant of OS, tirelessly battling against the trolls and trogs. The clashing of swords and shouts of ONWARD sometimes disturb our peaceful nights, but without them a lot of crap would get tossed about with nary a whimper. Well, with some whimpers. Instead of full-throated roar of righteousness.

Emma (and some late-lamented ladies) wields a mean lance too. She doesn't have that Peel avatar for nothin'.

In this case, a lot of people evidently (some of them not seeming to be sockpuppets) feel positively about Thoth based on their personal experience, but our knights want those people to understand that there is another side to Thoth that other people have experienced. Just as well to know that one's idol has an icky aspect that can burst out at any moment...
Your reading abilities are now in question rainee... maybe if I bold some highlights for you...

One of the best things I've ever read here.

A wonderfully touching tribute to maturity; yours and his. Rated. I feel another EP is coming your way. This should be in big Salon.

As to your writing here, this is absolutely the finest piece of yours I have seen and one of the finest pieces of writing by anyone I have ever seen. Bravo, bubba.

I don't think I can add anything to what's already been said. This is just an achingly beautiful piece of writing.

i've read this three times. it's that good.

Oh trig, yes, I'm with everyone else, this is an outstanding piece in every way.



Rainee, the more you type here, the more stupid you look.
Sorry, Emma - not having any luck convincing Rainee that I'm not you. My regrets.
or, would that be stupider, as opposed to more stupid?

"Let's just say (and I hope you understand) you have a different style of writing than Thoth. How is that?"

How is that? Condescending. Hope you understand indeed.
I've been called, by you dear, boy, a pussy, a dog (from memory without reviewing this mess of comments... and the post is also a mess, ye who would throw stones about writing ability), and now you want to talk down to me like I'm a child?

Forget Thoth, the ones that like him will never be persuaded that he is anything less than some kind of god. You'll never see that you are buying a load of crap. Third rate romance novel bullshit, and you all buy it. Says more about you than you know.

Now, this is about you Rainee, which I suspect it was all along. Lots of eyeballs focused here, that you can bet. They see you who can't put two sentences together positioning yourself as some kind of arbiter of writing quality. Lady, you don't have the creds!
Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about?
Thoth … right on

They say this cat Thoth is a bad mother...
Shut your mouth
But I'm talkin' 'bout Thoth
Then we can dig it
Wonder why Thoth's baby pic has been removed from the avatar?
@ Disco, you sound just like nana.

@ Trig, Jeez! man! are you that lonely.
This whole thing is just putting me off OS.

Frankly, any posts about OS usually put me off OS. Meta-level community self-reflection is great... but obsessively? I tend to avoid those posts - the mocking bits about cracking the code to get Editor's Pick or why people don't care if their free-form poetry isn't truly appreciated by the masses since they have their own fans, or what they like and don't like about OS or who they like or the editing staff changes or paying homage to members who used to write here or questioning pseudonyms or or or .... I mean, seriously? We care? This much?

I tend to just laugh a bit at how much more traffic and response they get compared to what ought to be the posts that truly make up the community (you know... the real content.... people's STORIES).

And this thing - the original thing, the reactions, the reactions to the reactions, the ensuing drama - to a semi-outsider just seems.... disgustingly juvenile. In a middle-school playground kind of way.
In an utterly unattractive sort of way.

Wouldn't the best thing to do - on either love/hate side of the argument - be to ignore the other side and move on?

And, forgive me if this seems overly spiteful, correct me if its inaccurate - aren't you all a little too old for this? It seems all the more ridiculous seeing as this "community" seems to be largely middle-aged, writers aspiring to the craft.

So, focus on the craft, then, the writing!

Unless its not about the writing and its really about the voyeurism-meets-group therapy oversharing to solicit condolences and hear related stories. In which case - blowing up the drama really isn't helping, either.

(Although threaded commenting would help. Can we please have threaded comments?)
Yawn.. yeah, guess I am. You ain't much fun to argue with though. Going to the dirty Joe, where my girlfriend resides. You can see some pics of her, and one of her and I, real people.

Here...

http://open.salon.com/blog/trig_palin/2011/03/20/live_each_day_as_if_it_is_your_last_we_are_all_terminal

Don't worry, it's mostly pictures. No big words.
This is a statement and nothing more. Thoth told me his name was Sam. No, I don't have the pm's as I do not keep them unless they are really cruel or really kind. Plus, I deleted all of Thoth's all the time as they came in because I was his friend or so I thought, now I know I am just a fan. That is where he is wrong and weird of him to say because he always signed off as your friend. If someone is not my friend or just an acquaintance I usually sign off as Regards. Oh, back to his name because that is all I am going to read of this. I am not wasting my time on it anymore because each time it is put up ----duh duh guess what we are perpetuating it keep on going. And truthfully I think he is big enough to take care of himself. Oh, yeah....

He told me his name was Sam. And some other stuff as before I turned into just a "Fan" I was a friend. Still I refuse to stoop so low to tell you everything he told me.

And if anyone was to say, "I am lying." I'll say their full of shit!

I do remember well.

Now y'all can call me a bully too!

Oh, did you come from humble beginnings?

I sure hope not cuz if ya did your doooooooomed, I tell ya!
To those who delight in making mud pies and throwing them, I say to you. Get a life.
oh...sorry! clearly this is a private conversation... bye.
"I have a request and a plea to make. Please, stop the lies and the personal attacks. Stop using OS blogs to scare new bloggers. And like The Man himself always said, if you have an argument relevant to the subject of the post, make it. But if you do not like what someone writes DO NOT COMMENT ON HIS OR HER BLOG. Thank you.
If you do not like Thoth, please have the decency to respect the feelings of those who like him. " ---- AMEN!!! Why can't people just leave others alone if they don't like them. We all have a right to speak our minds, and to be on OS, just as much as the ones that do the personal attacks.
Are their lives so miserable that they have to get drunk and try to make every once's lives miserable too? Come on!!! Grow up!!!
I am like you, I have had enough of the bullshit. I am one who likes and adores Thoth. I do consider him a great friend, and I have no problem standing up for him. He knows this and so does certain ones who are attacking him, not to name any names of who, but I will have no problem telling the names.
God bless you for writing and posting this... I am on your side on this and I back Thoth up all the way..
{{{HUGE HUGS}}} to both of you my friends.
@ Noelle Tankard, What an adult thing to say, Amen and thank you so much for stopping by.
@ Disco, You are very bad even at insults. it has to short and sweet. you sound like an airport security guy.
@ Victoria Wolf,

I consider Thoth a friend, even though he rarely responds to my PMs. But when you need him, Thoth is always there. Thoth is a great friend to have. Thank you and good luck.
@ Old New Lefty, I know, I was going to close comments but someone actually dared me. May be one day we will all become adults. Thank you.

@ New Broom, Sorry about that.
@ fireeyes24, Thank you so much for your support. I appreciate you coming by. I know that was not easy. I cannot thank you enough.
"Ardee, do you remember Jon Henner? He's not around OS much these days, but when he was around, Jon was always a very civil, nicely spoken person who'd never hurt a fly. Please tell me, if you do remember him, do you think Jon Henner is an ugly motherfucker? If you don't think he is an ugly motherfucker, why do you admire the person who called him one? Now, if you don't remember Jon and therefore aren't concerned that he was called an ugly motherfucker, fine, but for those of us who are bothered when we see that kind of unwarranted, vicious attack, it's not about us having a different take on reality from you; it is that we are paying attention to the actual behavior of the person behind Thoth's smirking avatar and pompous, self-c0ngratulatory bio.
nanatehay
March 30, 2011 06:10 pm"

WOW!!! Nana!! Think of all the people that still admire you and think that you are a great kind caring person, but yet you go around doing unwarranted vicious personal attacks on so many of the other OSers, Only because they don't agree with you.
What makes you right and Thoth wrong, or in other words what makes you any better than Thoth?
Just asking...
Because in my opinion it sounds very hypocritical to me.. I mean don't get me wrong Nana, I do like you and think of you as a friend also, but at the same time I am disagreeing with you on this matter here.
@ Trig,

This was a picture of my grandchild and you know that. Since your brother and Disco brought filth into this blog, I no longer feel it is appropriate for a family photo. Now you guys can visit all you want and we will have fun your style. Thank you so much.
@ fireeyes, I know, this just amazes me. Thank you so much for your support and thank you for your comment.
There are all sorts of sayings that say the snakes will come out when the temperature is right - or something like that. In this thread, that has not yet happened. Thoth has not appeared. And I use snake as a compliment, in many ways - someone who slithers through without actually making a statement. It's hard to figure out Thoth - his comments used to be "Good post. Rated." which bothered people. I'm such a slut that I like any comment, so it never bothered me.
I have some questions for Thoth, since I'm sure he is reading this: (and you, Rainee can answer them as well) - What do you think about the conflict in Libya as opposed to the conflict in Abidjan? What was the last movie you watched that made you cry? And, truthfully, do you have an "alter" - or more than one"alter" - on OS?
I would appreciate really honest answers. Thank you.
@ Aim,

What the hell. Why don't you ask Thoth? Send him a PM. This post is about the gratuitous incivility and harassment against Thoth. You are making up stuff now. That is emma peel's job. Do you just want to mention Thoth's name and attach some drama to it? This is a very strange comment, especially when you ignore all what I have said that Thoth did not want me to post this. I said that so many times. I wish Thoth was reading this, but to your and my dismay I don't think he gives a damn.
1)@aim, she don't answer questions. For proof, look above, again, if you can stand it.

2)Thoth most definitely has read every single word here, and is indeed a chickenshit, as well as a purveyor of pablum and schmegma.

April fools!

NOT!! TGIF... go with the 'gods!'
I was wrong, Rainee, and you were right. I'm naught but a castrated, jealous liar, and Thoth is a paragon of nobility and virtue and the best writer in the history of the blogosphere and probably the universe. I've written an apology to you both:

http://open.salon.com/blog/nanatehay/2011/04/01/
i_apologize_for_the_flame_wars_and_the_teasing_incivility
@ nana,

There is no need for either an apology or sarcasm. Yet, you should thank me for my post because for the first time EVER I noticed some accounts paying a lot of attention specifically to your writing abilities, even though, in my opinion you wrote better posts than this last one. I wish you all the luck in the world, and I hope you become the best writer in the universe yourself, let's all forget that other guy. No harm, no foul and sincerely, good luck.
@ Trig,

I have worked with scientists in research for years, and I learned the difference between someone doing his homework ( men and women are equally good at it) and someone who is obsessed. I have seen some nasty scornful women in my time and you put them all to shame.
"I consider Thoth a friend, even though he rarely responds to my PMs. But when you need him, Thoth is always there."
I mean, do you write things like that because you can't help it, or do you do it deliberately ?
"I have worked with scientists in research."

Maybe you could do some research on writing in a way that makes sense then. Possibly you could research the subject of contradiction, specifically, how not to contradict yourself... then, how to stay on subject.
@ Trig,

You do not know any subjects, Trig. You are obsessed with one subject and it is hurting so much and turning you into a nasty scorned woman. STOP.
STOP? But why?
I have some time to kill so let's insult each other a while longer. I pointed out your simpleness. That made me a pussy from your perspective. I said I didn't care much at all for the grand writings of Tooth, and that made me a jealous dog, and a shitty writer. I pointed out that many people have complimented me on my writing. You said they didn't, but don't respond when shown examples. I note that you tend to skip responses to questions you apparently don't care for, and that the responses you do give are poorly stated. That made me a nasty scornful woman.

My gawd, why stop now?
I post a clever poem, written by another OSer... not me

"There was a vile cur most silly and rude.
He flattered the ladies with bland platitudes.
O, pray thee where has this vile creature fled?
The truth is plain as that bump on your head.
He's named himself Judge and has posed in his stead."


YOU accuse ME of "spewing hate?"

"@ Trig,

Even after you read all these comments and even when you know that the Judge is not a he, it is a she and it is not Thoth, you are still trying to slip in that the Judge (like the 20 other OSers you claimed to be Thoth) is Thoth. And even after I thanked you for not being an asshole in your your first comment. You still spew that hate. What have I ever done to you to come here and shit on my feelings and on the writers of all these comments. I do not understand. I know Thoth has never done anything to you, So why the blinding hatred. If this is not blind jealousy, I don't know what is. "

To be clear, and on subject, I don't hateth the Thoth. How can you really hate someone you've never laid eyes on or met in person? To re-state, this person you subjected in this post, who you admittedly don't even know the sex of, has shown signs of, to say the very least, dual personalities. Plus, apparently rainee NOT EVERYONE shares your opinion that he or she writes well.

You state emphatically that "the Judge" was not the Thoth, this after pointing out that we just don't know anything at all for certain, although I am convinced personally from personal observations that they are one in the same.

"No one on OS knows anything about Thoth except for his avatar and posts."

Did you, or did you not say this in the content of your post?

"No one on OS knows anything about Thoth except for his avatar and posts."

Then you go on to make statements "of fact."

But yes, I am a nasty scornful woman. This NSW is just saying you have done a shitty job selling your case here. It's a purely emotional load of crap, and draws attention to what some would call your closed minded irrationality.

Just sayin'
Wow, I take a two month break from OS and nothing changes.
Play nice boys and girls.
My brother from another mother. I have nothing, but the utmost respect for the man. I consider him a great friend. I was off OS for awhile, so I am new to this . . . rainee174, pm me ? What the hell happened.
If Rainee isn't actually an incarnation of Thoth, which seems quite possible given that her very first comment was on a Thoth post, she certainly is an ignorant person with very poor taste. Or both. It's both, most likely.
Hmmmm?
Sad - as defined by the English Urban Dictionary.

Rated with a chinese manufactured Ug.
I'll come back to your post,just want to make sure not to lose your post.
R
Lol. Digging around the Archives, I see this place is the same as it ever was; same bullies; same heroes. Don't let them silence you, Thoth.

Thoth?
Modern way of mobbing,filthy and disgusting.It's interesting to notice who made comments as part of the mob.
yes indeed. This is the modern-day equivolent of a lynching. What a crew of hyenas.
Let's leave this post near the Top.