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First class kvetch. Formidable braggart. Professional comedy writer. Published 8 books, written 2 movies. Former associate editor and columnist at Playboy Magazine for 8 truly debauched years, following a short stint at Esquire. Movies include "Short Time," (major flop), and "Blue Streak" (huge hit, no idea why.) Last two novels, "What's Wrong With Dorfman?" and "Millard Fillmore, Mon Amour," (only available online now) were both huge bestsellers among the members of my immediate family.

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SEPTEMBER 28, 2009 10:38AM

The Best Advice On Writing a First Novel: Don't.

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I know that title sounds discouraging, maybe even a little pompous, but I’m just trying to save you a life of pain, rejection and despair. This is an altruistic deed on my part. Take my advice. Don’t write it. Here’s why:

  

The Dream: You’ve finished your first novel. You've put your heart and soul into it. It's really good. Now what?

 

You Google “literary agents.” You find one with an aggressive-sounding name and send him the manuscript. By some miracle, your novel actually snakes its way through the lower ranks of assistants and gets to the agent himself, let’s call him Marty. Marty loves it and sends it out. Five publishers are crazy for it. They each bid on it and you end up with a $1,000,000 advance.

  

The book gets rave reviews (They call you the new: a) Dickens, b) Mark Twain, c) Salinger.) The novel hits the bestseller list. Oprah selects it. You go on a book tour. Marty negotiates $2,000,000 for film rights. You are flown out to Hollywood. You are wined and dined. You write the script. The movie is made. It makes a fortune. You are nominated for an Academy Award. Scarlett Johansson is your date. She’s not wearing much (If you’re a woman, it’s Johnny Depp. He’s dressed like a pirate.) You win the Oscar. It’s a dream come true.

  

What are the odds of this happening? Let me put it this way: Somebody always wins the lottery.

  

The Reality: You’ve written your first novel. You've put your heart and soul into it. It's really good. Now what?

 

You Google “literary agents.” You find one and send him the manuscript. His name is Marty. (All agents are named Marty, except for the ones that aren’t.) Your hopes are high. Six months later you get an unsigned rejection letter.

  

You see this as a minor setback. You tell yourself: So what if one schmuck didn’t like it? He’ll be kicking himself when the novel's on the bestseller list. Ha! Undeterred, you send it to 20 other agents. Six months later, your mailbox is stuffed with 20 more form-letter rejections.

  

Now you decide to take matters into your own hands and go straight to publishers. Screw the agents. You buy a copy of Writer’s Market. You find lots of listings of publishing houses and the names of their fiction editors. You send the novel to 10 of them.

  

Your hopes are high. It takes six months, but then you receive 10 more unsigned rejection letters. Now, you’re depressed for five months. The grand literary career you’ve dreamed of for years has gone up in smoke. You give up, put the novel in the drawer and wisely decide to keep your day job.

  

(Note: The Dreamer lived The Dream, but you got exactly the same treatment that 99.9% of all first novelists get: You sent a manuscript to some agents and publishers. It was read by unpaid interns who majored in Russian Literature, or assistant’s assistants trying to break into publishing. The readers found reasons not to like your novel. It was never read by an actual agent or an actual editor. If you included a S.A.S.E, then your manuscript was returned. If not, it was shredded.)

  

The Reasons: God only knows how many first novels are submitted to, and rejected by publishers every year. Probably thousands. And thousands more are rejected by agents, and never even make it to an intern’s inbox.

  

Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that 2000 novels are published every year by mainstream publishers such as Knopf, Simon & Schuster, and Random House etc. Obviously, most of them are books written by the big moneymakers -- James Patterson, Dan Brown, Stephen King, Mary Higgins Clarke, John Grisham, to name just a few.

  

But occasionally, an editorial board will temporarily lose its mind and take a chance on a first novel. If you miraculously manage to sell one, here’s what will happen 99.9% of the time: Your advance will be under $10,000. There will be no publicity, no tours, maybe a few reviews, if you’re lucky. Your novel will probably not be FOS (Front of Store) because publishers have to pay for that, at least at Barnes & Noble. It will disappear in the racks, thus D.O.A. It will sell 2000 copies, depending on how large your family is.

  

Marty will dump you like a hot potato. Thanks to BookScan, everybody in the publishing business will know how badly your book fared. You are now the literary equivalent of swine flu.

  

Point of interest #1: You will find the following listing  interesting and depressing at the same time. Some years ago, Publishers’ Weekly published a list of the bestselling fiction genres in descending order of sales. Here’s what I recall:

 

1. Christian literature (I kid you not.)

2. Romance Novels (I don’t mean love stories. I mean “Her breasts strained against the fabric of her blouse” romance novels. They say that romance novels sell 5 times more copies than the following genres put together.)

3. Mysteries and Thrillers

4. Chicklit

5. "Literary" Novels and Historical Fiction

6. Short story collections and comic novels 

7. Poetry

Interesting, but unfortunately, this doesn’t mean that it’s easier to sell thrillers than it is to sell Chicklit. More people are writing thrillers than Chicklit, so the competition is just as stiff.

Point of Interest #2: If you're a woman and you're writing for a female audience, your chances of success are better. Not much better. But better. Women read more books than men.  Nonfiction is also easier to sell.

Back to Square One: Why would I have the gall to discourage you from writing a novel? Because I'm a compassionate fellow, and I'd hate to see you go through this hellish nightmare. I've been there. My advice? Preempt the torture. Have a glass of champagne and barbecue a copy of "The Da Vinci Code."

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John - you are indeed a kind man. Where the hell were you a year ago before I became the poster child for your second scenario?

**Love this: "If you're a woman, it's Johnny Depp. He's dressed as a pirate."** Good stuff!

Rated.
So JB skip to second? or stay in school....forever?
I have a solution. Skip the first novel and go straight to the second?!
:-D
Yeah, it is a lottery unless you have massive talent. Even then, it's a crap shoot.

Wonderfully written and insightful.
I just burned my manuscript.
RATED
Try the romance novel. Heaving bosoms are huge fun.
This is all probably true. Doesn't make it any less funny!

I'm reading a pretty funny book that cooly deconstructs this process, about a writer who wanted to be a best-selling novelist. It's called, not too surprisingly: "How I Became a Famous Novelist" (Steve Hely).
I wish some unpaid intern had shredded James Patterson's stuff to begin with - then he wouldn't be writing drivel about mutant children with wings and taking up shelf space in the local Barnes & Nobel.

I'm just sayin'.
Aunt: Mabel: I did write a romance novel" "Love's Reckless Rash," under the pen name Roemary Cartwheel. It sold 50,000 copies, even thought it was a spoof.
According to my mother, who was a civil servant, about 15 years ago they finally ran an electronic hoover through the computers in the Foreign Office in London to try and find out why it was running so slowly. Apparenly something like 75% of the disc space was taken up by unfinished novels.
And to think my wife wants me to write my book! (Hollow laughter)
Nice article! A controvertial argumet but you provide some really solid evidence.
Still, maybe some writers just write because they feel passionate about it and not because they want it to make them rich and famous. I think many authors are underappreciated in their lifetime only to be more remembered after their deaths than the likes of Brown, King, and Partterson simply because they stood out. rated
Thank you for thoroughly depressing me. I may as well just go and barbecue myself now. At least I would go out "hot".
Tell me something I don't know John. I have a short tale for you that might have an interest. Lo these many years ago I was attempting to find some avenue, any avenue, to break into this business. I like the teeming mass of folks with no hope had a copy of the Writers Handbook, with it's list of places that would accept unsolicited manuscripts and other pseudo literary endeavors, such as treatments. I sent a treatment of a thing that I had titled Time Cop out, en masse, and waited. As you said I received exactly three rejections out of four studios that I mailed my horrible idea to. Three years later what appears on the big screen? You guessed it, a film titled Time Cop. From the one who never responded in any way to my submission. While not a carbon copy it did have many things that I had placed in my treatment. So those budding writers need to be aware, your idea may suck but that doesn't mean that someone else won't steal it, fix it up, and use it.
Cartouche - write anyway! If can't write my head will explode from all the words that are penned up there! I've got a fanfiction story that's already close to 1 million words. Always keep on writing!
Well, the odds if you write about "a secret" held by a family to get published are great. Gag, Please, listen to John, don't write the novel.
I think Cartouche has the right idea, except that I will be holding my manuscript when I jump up on that barbeque spit.
The champagne I can do. Great post. Thanks as always, john, for your insights.
you are so right
I know a really talented woman who has written several books and also has years of journalism experience
now she is broke and discouraged and getting older
but read the recent post on self-publishing, I thought it was pretty encouraging.
Ah, John, where were you ten years ago when I needed this advice? Actually, I have gotten my novels published thanks to blind luck, but the luck always seems to run out the moment they actually go on the market. With the royalties I have been able to purchase quite a supply of postage stamps over the years. Still, I know that movie deal is just over the horizon...
You really care about us don't you?
We all need a reality essay to break the spell sometimes.
Thanks for the advice John!
thinkfeel wrote the great post on self-publishing
Actually the title should read: "Don't worry about getting it published". There's no end to the value of the experience of writing it to help you grow as a writer and as a person.
Bob: No point in sending stuff directly to studios. They're so afraid of lawsuits for plagiarism, the won't even look at a script or treatment. It's like a rule for them.
As for the coincidence. It happens a lot. I't happened to me twice. I wrote a "Liar, Liar"-type script called "Nothing but the Truth" on assignment for a studio and the same studio came out with the movie Liar Liar -- unfortunately not mine. Can't sue
'em unless you want to bite the hand that feeds you.
Ah, John, thank you for saving me five wasted years. :-)

Then again, I never could plot for shit, so I haven't even begun to have the Novel Delusion.

Much.
Kathy: I missed that piece. Self-publishing is a way to go, unless you go Vanity Press. Then it's a bad idea. Best way is to start your own "fictitious" publishing company and get it on Amazon. Print on Demand is good for inexpensive copies. I'll read the piece. It's a subject I know a bit about. Thanks for rec.
Thanks John. And even if you live the dream, you still have to pay taxes, do mundane tasks and deal with your family, or whatever reason it is you don't have a family. So you better be driven by something a lot more compulsive that reparative fantasies.

At the same time failing at getting a novel published does at least get rid of that niggling voice that tells you your life would be better if you'd become a novelist.
against all odds, this makes me want to go upstairs and work on my novel....
Verbal, plot is overrated. You can do killer dialogue and characters. I am waiting for your novel/book.
ahhhhhhh And poetry is last on the list.

At last I see the truth. My father was indeed always right when he said to me, often, "C, do you know what the best-selling poet in America made last year? $5,000. Don't be a poet. Be a nurse. Or a teacher. Don't be a poet."

Dad was so smart.
Well, this disabuses me of any thoughts I might have had about writing a novel (I didn't have any to begin with--I'm more into the philosopher-king mode).
But one thing that I've found really interesting lately. I have become a total fan of James Lee Burke the last few months--a "mystery"/crime writer who is also incredibly literate.
What's interesting is that he received 110 rejections prior to the publication of his first novel.
You're right and what's even more amazing John is that you've had more than a modicum of success in publishing.
You've just explained why my first novel is sitting safely in my computer. Why send it to an agent or publisher for rejection when I can just reject it myself?

BTW, it is really good.
Of my personal friends who've gotten books published with major publishers:

Joseph Boyden--his first published novel (I think it was the second one he wrote; the first was, in his own words, "a steaming pile of moose shit"), "Three Day Road," got picked for the Today show's book club. His second, "Through Black Spruce," won some big prize up in Canada (Joseph's Canadian). He makes the biggest part of his living teaching college at the University of New Orleans, where they can't even afford toilet paper for the restrooms.

Amanda Boyden--Her first novel, "Pretty Little Dirty," got recommended by Glamour magazine as a great beach read. Her second, "Babylon Rolling," got recommended by The Onion. Both sold pretty well and were pretty well critically received. She, like her husband, makes her living teaching English at UNO.

Bill Loehfelm--His debut "Fresh Kills" won the Amazon.com breakthrough novel award, which got him $25,000 and a publishing contract. Reviews of "Fresh Kills" were mixed, reviews of his second novel "Bloodroot" were much better. Then as now, he makes his living tending bar.

Barb Johnson--Her short story collection "More of this World or Maybe Another" is due out from Harper Collins next month. I don't know what the itinerary for her glamourous publicity tour is, but part of it includes staying on a friend's couch when/if she makes it up to Seattle to read in a bookstore there, and another part includes buying me a drink as payment for filming her read, adding some introductions, and posting it to her website. She's a carpenter by trade.

Lish McBride--is in the land of copyeditors with her young-adult novel. I think that she slings coffee in the few hours a day her five-year-old son is in school. Her partner and the boy's father is I think the main breadwinner in their household. He's a tattoo artist.

So I guess the lesson I take from this is don't plan on quitting your day job.
Walter et al: Years ago, some folks did an experiment. They sent a Jerzy Kosinski novel around to publishers in manuscript form. Every publisher turned it down. Go figure.
John:

Sincerely, there must be something that I dont get. And I dont mind being told so. And I mean this respectfully, because I clearly dont get it. But is this a form of humor? If you say it is, I'll freely admit that it is over my head. But I have seen you write several things, all seemingly with the "give up" theme. First, Obama will likely "have to resign". Then, "dont think out of the box. what has it gotten us." Now, dont attempt that first novel because the odds are against you." I dont doubt your facts. I know you're experienced and accomplished. I admire than. Many do, and they should. But resign, retreat, and retire as advice?

The most dangerous thing an American does every day is take a shower. There is a one in 600 chance of fatality. Getting into a moving car profoundly increases your chances of being in an accident. Eating food vastly increases your chances of choking. Being in love increases your chance of heartbreak. Looking at flowers increases your chance of being stung by a bee. What the hell? If salmon looked at the odds, we would never have salmon. The quality of a good, rewarding life is more than kneeling to improbable odds.
This gives me such a great idea for a book.
Leeandra: it happens, just not a lot. As I said: "Somebody always wins the lottery." For each of these lucky writers, how many thousands got nowhere?
Says the guy who has published 8 novels. Your own advice hasn't stopped you and it won't stop me. Besides, I'm a writer for crying out loud, I make a living off being a glutton for punishment. Rated H for humor and E for effort.
Bill: It's a serious piece, written with a little humor.
I actually know someone who was in love, ate salmon in the shower and choked after getting stung by a bee, but he didn't get his novel published.
How much does self-promotion help? For instance, after you did your Millard Fillmore book post here, how many copies did you sell? I bought a used copy and am currently about 100 pages into it. Love it so far.

And do you have to pay back the advance if your first novel does not meet sales expectations?
Caroline: I sold most of my books in the 1980's when it was much, much easier to get pubbed, plus most of them weren't novels.

Being a woman will make it a bit easier for you. Good luck. I hope you prove me wrong.
Travis: Thanks for buying a copy! That doubles my sales.
But seriously, promotion is the name of the game, but don't expect publishers to do much. You have to get out there and do it yourself. Using the Net can help a lot.
As for advances -- no, you don't have to refund them if the book doesn't sell.
"Please, Lord, I beseech you to send me a man of honor", she prayed, while her pearlescent breasts strained against her corset.
John,
I tell my students this all the time: if they are writing because they think it's going to make them rich and famous, they're delusional. If they write because they can't imagine doing anything else, because they feel driven, because they notice the world around them, because they find beauty in words, write away.
Writers write.
Yet still we buy the lottery tickets...go figure.
when i wrote my first you were lucky to get two grand. but the writer has little choice if he is truly a writer. you know that. i say this as the "most written, but least published" writer of my generation.
I sent a manuscript of my book "Journey To The Underage Sex Trade" in, and not only got an advance, they bought the complete rights to the book. It was mostly pictures, as I intended it to be a coffee table book. It was about a publishing company CEO's dalliance in Thailand.
So, writers, there is hope, you just have to know what publishers find interesting.
Yeah, I've lived this. It's tough to go back to sending out the novel, because you're right, but I'm going to anyway. At least I'm not dating at the same time; there's a limit to the amount of abuse one psyche can stand.

Oh, and I bought your book too. Groundswell!
I like hearing these success stories! Bravo.
Lorraine: I write because I have to as well. But I need readers. I need reviews. Etc. Some do, some don't.
The same applies to composing a Symphony, or any work for large orchestra. Don't do it unless you absolutely have to--- only do it when your whip-swinging Muse won't let you sleep at night! Don't even think about doing it for money or glory---there ain't none, ever.

I can say this because I have composed 4 symphonies, and 2 concertos. I made the effort because I had ideas which refused to stay quietly inside me. In the end, that's the only good reason to do it.
I understand that, "How To" books are big sellers. You know, like, "How To make It Rich By Writing Romance Novels On Your Home Computer."

There's a sucker born every minute - P.T. Barnum
It's all too true! My friend works for Random House- according to her, the last time someone actually picked up an unsolicited manuscript there, it was "The Diary of Anne Frank".
That's why my plan it's sooo brilliant. I'm NOT going to write a first novel, instead I'll just jump ahead to the fifth. Then I'll go back and write the first four after I'm rich and famous. Or maybe not rich, but famous. Ok, maybe not famous, but I'll have a book to throw at the repo man when he comes over.
Crap. I'm about half-way through MY first novel, "Eyeballs, Crocodiles, and Whores," a comic look at living in Bumfuck, Mexico with drunken idiot ex-pats. (And I include myself in that group.)

Maybe my odds of getting published would improve if I included some underage sex.........go figure. Sex sells? Who knew?

(I posted a brief excerpt from the book on Open Salon, called "People Who Should Never Come to Mexico.")
Aha! But what you've forgotten to take into account is that MY novel is head & shoulders BETTER than all that other schlock out there! MY novel is the next Harry Potter and is going to make me a gazillionaire!

But seriously, I typically read popular fiction and most of it sucks! I usually end up shaking my head wondering why such mediocre stuff gets published at all. Seriously - John Grisham at this point is just phoning it in. I picked up one of his recent novels at the airport recently and .... eh, I can't even remember the name of it or anything about it a month later, except that I got the distinct impression that he wrote it in a month!
I've met a writer - younger guy, very Internet savvy - who (wait for it: evil word coming) self-published and did the online promotion thing. Before he was picked up by a major house (and he was, with a three-book advance), he sold, on his own, 130,000 books. Now his book was in the crime genre and he is one of the entrepreneurial types. But I'm just sayin' --- the beauty of the way things are now is that if you want to publish a book, you can. And if you think it's good, you must.
The step you missed was to get your book critiqued first by other writers next by beta readers. None of these people are your friends and family who will feel obliged to say it's wonderful no matter how hard they have to strain the truth. There's a lot of work to be done between first draft and the agents and editors.

The romance novel writers I know usually take at least 3 to get published and often start out e-pubbed (which means they may not sell more than 100 copies, or sometimes less than 10 (I mean really, you give your friends free copies)). They don't make a living at it, but few of them do it as a primary job.

The trick is to improve your craft, not to think you have a gift. And yeah, that requires work. But when you think about it, so do most professions. You don't stroll into much other than Retail and burger flipping without some study. Look at the first few novels as study.

But, hey, if I thought I lived on the same continent, I'd be happy to show up at your Da Vinci roast.
john, you've inspired me: I'm going to become an agent so I can reject my own books. Saves time!
You'll all want to check out Caroline Hagood's new post called "The Best Advice on Writing a First Novel: Do."

http://open.salon.com/blog/caroline_hagood/2009/09/28/the_best_advice_on_writing_a_first_novel_do
...and besides, getting published is overrated. I just want to win the Dark and Stormy night contest:

It was a dark and stormy night, just like those ones in the movies where people get scared by branches scraping against the house and shadows that look like something scary but are really something normal, and where the phone is dead and when they check the doors and windows they find one open when they were sure they locked it, and when they finally come back to the dark room where they’re watching a scary movie they find that something isn’t where they left it or that their boyfriend is dead - it was like that.

or..

It was a dark and stormy night, and as the horde of zombies feasted on the flesh of the unlucky campers, Dirk, blood dripping from his rotting maw, pondered the irony in the fact that whilst among the living he had been a vegetarian.
Malusinka: I've had novels read by 20 people before sending them out, most of whom I did not know. All of them loved it, couldn;t put it down. Doesn't matter. Editors look at novels with a completely different viewpoint than readers. It's kind of bizarre.
Thanks for the heads up; will this doom the Postal Service?
People need to get away from the idea that you can make a living from your art. A few people can but most can't. It doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue your art, whether it's writing, painting, dancing, photography, etc. Just be realistic about the money side of it. I write because I love it and even though my audience is small (mostly people in my writing classes and the small audience I reach through my blog) I really enjoy hearing their reactions to my work.

I've written for money in the past and it's a very mixed blessing. Yes, you get paid, but you also have to compromise your writing to meet the demands of the marketplace. When you write without any expectations of getting paid, you can stay true to your vision.
True AR. That's why I stopped writing movies. First class prostitution in that biz. With novels, I do what I ant to do, with little thought of commerciality. I've sold them, but they haven't done that well. Reason: sharing the bottom of that list with poetry is the comic novel.
Sounds like he had a full life to me.
So what if you found an agent named, oh I don't know -- Murray? Would that help?

I think I'll scrap all my ideas about historical novels and just write a fluff piece about a Christian literature publisher who, in the tradition of all great Christian leaders, has a passionate love affair with the number one Romance Novelist and gets caught in a tangled web of mystery and intrigue.

Like Joni Mitchell's song "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" which she reportedly wrote as an experiment in how to get your songs played on FM.

Funny piece, btw.
Well babycakes, you've just written the story of my latest venture. I got oh so close to publication 25 years ago and am trying again...in between were 3 more books and a career as an art dealer (still my day job). I've just sent a sample booklet of "gonepausal" to 50 agents and you're right I don't know who the hell they are, and 5 publishers whose editor's names I plucked from the New York Times. I've gotten 3 rejections so far, but haven't burst into tears.
I'm considering seriously self publishing and schlepping the books to every temple and ma jong group between here and tel aviv. But then I get tired thinking about it. Oh lord, what to do? Everything you say is true...I've heard the you have to promote yourself rumors. Women seem to love my blog www.gonepausal.com so I'm kinda/really determined to sell the book....cheap.

As for the da vinici code barbeque, i'm with you. i never read it and feel much more strongly about eating it than reading it.
I've published some children's books with major publishers and it all comes down to networking. If you want to be handled by a big publisher, you need to go to workshops where there are editors and agents. And network like crazy. But nowadays, self-publishing might be the way to go. Writers can format their work for the Kindle or other ebooks and publish online. One of the things I always disliked about regular publishing is that the editors had too much power. There are some great editors, but a lot of them are jerks (frankly). And beginning writers worry way too much about their work being stolen. If you're that uptight about it, you're not ready to weather the rough-and-tumble of the writing business where being tough and thick-skinned is the name of the game.
You may remember Mike Torrez, who pitched first for the Yankees, then the Red Sox. He'd usually give up 2-3 runs in the first two innings, then settle down. It got to the point where I'd yell "Keep him in the bullpen!" when he'd start to walk to the mound for the first pitch.

Following that advice, I self-published my first novel, sparing everyone the trouble.
I just finished my first Christian Romance novel. It's called "The Vatican After Midnight."
Hey, if you're going to BBQ The Da Vinci Code, I will be so there ... and no, I didn't quit my day job either, and I am starting on my sixth and seventh book (historical novels) this very month. With the second-through-fifth, I went through the usual goat-rope with trying to get an agent, and with a couple of writer friends who tried to get their publisher to take an interest in mine, and all I got was the usual collection of rejection slips ... and the feedback that oh, it was all very good and well written, but had only regional appeal, or to a genre audience, and wasn't really easily put into a niche, and so my books wouldn't be easily marketed to a big publisher.

The unsigned rejections that made me really laugh were the ones obviously cut from a larger sheet which had been xeroxed over, and over and over so many generations that there were little dots all over and the words were sort of speckly.

No, seriously - I think the best way to go these days is to put some of it on line, get a fan-base, find some people (other writers, maybe?) who will give you honest and detached feedback, get a good and old-fashioned editor, even if you have to hire someone - learn a bit about formatting and lay-out, and go with a POD firm. You know you'll have to do the marketing yourself anyway. Think about who you think will want to read your book, and go where they congregate. Think about how to scrounge reviews, and scope out opportunities for your own events and appearances.

You probably won't be able to live entirely off royalties for your books - but at least you have the satisfaction of being an author, and making the acquaintance of readers who will love your book. Or books. But honestly, it's more fun this way, than simmering over how many worse writers could still get published by the big houses, and anxiously watching the mailbox for another round of rejection notices.

As I said, I'm working on the sixth and seventh, and I wouldn't have done it any other way than I have ... well, maybe held off the release date for the first novel in order to scrounge more pre-release reviews. But nothing much other than that.
Thanks for the novel advice. I guess I'll have to turn my half novel into a screenplay. Wait, that world is even worse than publishing, and I don't even know who to sleep with. I think instead I'll follow L. Ron Hubbard and start my own religion, for which the first commandment will be "Thou shalt not write a novel."
Sgt Mom; you be the man baby. I'm stepping away from the edge of the cliff thanks to your advice/experience. I think I can....I think I can....self publish and promote "gonepausal". I have a presence in three places on line and my own personal site. Bridge clubs and canasta parties here I come.
Great post, John, and very true. So from the prespective of, "Eyes wide open," great advice. But as you said, there has to be a winner ... and there are ways to make your chances higher if you've got the balls (or equivalent).

To wit: I attended a sales conference once ... 30 years ago ... three speakers. The first two offered about twenty minutes of "sage" advice, based on their personal successes. I don't remember a word. The third .. the oldest ... walked to the mike, cleared his throat, and said, "See the people, see the people, see the people," and sat down. I remember it verbatum ... and also his point; If you throw enough shit on the wall, some of it has to stick. Persistant determination is THE key. And writers: Think of all the actors out there who read and read and read for parts, suffering rejection after rejection. The ones who make it are the ones who can take the rejection and not quit! Bill Beck is right (see above)!

Search *Randy Wayne White* a friend of mine, former news columnist, fishing guide and very successful writer (17 Doc Ford mystery novels ... last was 7 on NYT Fiction list last March. His "Wiki" listing tells his path.
From the publisher's POV: Redactor Agonistes

And here is the list of mostly non-arithmetical observations about mainstream publishing that these occasions have led me to compile. It is written primarily from the point of view of a medium- or senior-level acquisitions editor at a major trade house in New York City, the center of the publishing world. It applies principally to the publication of original hardcover books... These ideas are drawn from publishing as it stands -- maybe I should say "stumbles" --right now; many of them may well not obtain when electronic-book-text digitization begins in earnest. That will happen in a financially and organizationally seismic way very quickly, I think -- over the next decade --but I believe that this impending Gutenberg-level shift in reading culture, along with the economic disasters of the last two years, render the challenges of present-day hard-copy publishing all the more agonizing, immediate, and dramatic. At least in the abstract, and especially in this economic climate, most other professions pose some of the same problems for those who pursue them, no doubt. But the tectonically opposing demands on publishing -- that it simultaneously make money and serve the tradition of literature -- and its highly unpredictable outcomes and its prominence in the attention of the media have made it a kind of poster adult for capitalism and the arts in crisis.

Also: Usually, writers, like anyone else who performs in public and desires wide recognition, no matter how successful they become, have an unslakeable thirst for attention and approval -- in my opinion (and, I'm embarrassed to say, in my own case) usually left over from some early-childhood deficit or perception of deficit in the attention-and-approval department. You will frequently find yourself serving as an emotional valet to the people you work with.
Thank you for trying to save us!!
(but for many, it's too late)
For Bill Beck... inspirational books seem to do well, too. ;)
Thanks for the advice, John. I wasn't thinking of writing a novel, and, now I know I won't even consider it. I've got too many other things to do, like iron the laundry.
rated for good, solid advice, and, humor.
I didn't properly close a tag, which is why the comments are italicized. My apologies. I hope this fixes it.
Grr. Sorry. Maybe the OS editors can fix it.
littlewillie gets my vote for best comment...

John, this reminds me of a chapter out of James Frey's (yes, I said James Frey) latest book...a chapter devoted to the statistics involved in the odds of making it in Hollywood. Sometimes, reality bites but you say it in a way that makes it palatable.
I always wonder if it's right to discourage people who only took up writing because of the fantasy you have described. Generally, I just nod "sure, go for it" and go back to work on my latest story.

I am a fiction writer. Have been for a long time. I'm not trying to be, or thinking about being one. I am a writer. I have no choice. I must write--the alternative would be serial killing, and that isn't very nice.

I write for myself. When a story turns out well, I send it off to a few places and if it is any good it gets published.

If everyone who writes in order to be famous and rich would just stop, there would be smaller slush piles for publishers to read. Then maybe the turnaround time would not be six months. But the fantasy is powerful, so I don't expect that to happen.

Meanwhile, I write. I get published, or not. You see, being a writer is all about WRITING. All the other stuff is a dream, fluff, magic. Very few people want to spend their days actually writing. But "being a writer" sounds like fun.

Thanks for pointing out the reality of the life. It is a big commitment, and it pays far less than most Americans are willing to accept.
My advice - just write it anyway. Decide later whether you'll show it to anyone. But the first step is to write the thing.

November is National Novel-Writing Month. Write 50k words in 30 days. Just saying. nanowrimo.org
I'm aware that a writer has to write no matter what, that writers are driven. And I appreciate that. But I do it not only because I love to write, but also because I need readers, I need feedback. Maybe that's just me.

Discouragng as this post may be, I don't want to stop anyone who's intent on getting published. A large portion of the piece is about how publishers will ignore you once you do get published, and that rankles me the most. Promises broken.

My last novel had some buzz at the publishing house (St. Martin's Press) and they were going to give a tour, advertising, FOS -- the whole ball of wax. When the book was published it went right to the racks. DOA.

So maybe I'm a little bitter about it.

I've also self-published, hoping that a mainstream house would pick up the book. It took a year, but it happened. I got lucky.

And for those who asked about screenwriting -- it's even harder than getting a book published. Everybody seems to be writing a script, at least in LA. Your doctor, your mechanic, your plumber... . Or people tell me they have great ideas for a movie or a TV show. Usually those ideas are just premises, not stories.

As for the dream. It was my dream. May not be yours.
I have never had any desire to write a novel (I lack patience for that sort of thing. When it comes to writing I'm a sprinter; not a marathoner.) That said...I have known a couple of people who succeeded with first novels. It seems that the really important take-home message, though, is that you should only write a novel if you're doing it because you love it; not because you expect to make a lot of money from it. If you don't enjoy the process, then it really is a poor use of your time.
An author (I forget who) once said: "Writing is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to those who have none.." Kind of sums it up.
Ranting Boomer:

I am not talking about the prospective subject of a book. John wasn't talking about writing books that say "everything is futile." That was merely his thesis. Your comment seems to state that I think statements should be inspirational. That could not be further from the truth. My comment is, if that advice were widely followed, nothing would ever be attempted. It's not about whether it's easy or likely. "Give up" is a shitty message. "Give up" is the message underlying all bullies and oppressors. Courage is the most important virtue of all the virtues because it makes opportunity for all of the virtues. Fuck inspiration, Euthanize Eeyore!
Once again, for anybody I've pissed off, try Caroline Hagood's rebuttal post. http://open.salon.com/blog/caroline_hagood/2009/09/28/the_best_advice_on_writing_a_first_novel_do
If I don't get Scarlett, can I get Megan Fox?

BTW, thanks for the funny harsh reality.
Trudge: You cannot get Megan Fox. She's married to Stephen Hawking, which you would have known had you read my post: "Megan Fox is a Genius."

Scarlett and I have a special relationship. I think about her a lot and she doesn't know I exist. Like I said, special relationship.
Your advice is relevant only to someone can't see past Dan Brown/Nicholas Sparks when defining "being a writer" or "publishing."

The best literature in America isn't coming from the big houses in New York, and hasn't for at least twenty five years. It's published by mid-sized, regional and university presses which are accessible to talented writers who don't have agents, who aren't young and pretty enough to attract the attentions of New York.

I've published three books --a short story collection and two novels-- with one of those regional presses, and couldn't be happier. Friends who've gone the other route tell me my editor is far more supportive than what they've found at the large houses. My books stay in print (and on the shelves) longer than theirs do, and I'm confident I've made as much money as I would have going in the other direction.

Running after literary fame and fortune is a fool's chase; "being a writer" with books in print and a significant audience lies much closer to home than your essay would have wanna-authors believe.
Congrats on your success, Bob, but I'm not sure you're right. Mainstream publishers publish or have published Roth, Doctorow, Russo, Updike, Styron, Vidal, Pynchon, David Foster Wallace, Tom Wolfe... Need I continue? This stuff smells an awful lot like literature to me.
Ah, I get it. You're a provocateur. That's cool, and I dont mean that ironically. The unfortunate thing is, everyone is too much of a sad, sore pussy to realize that they are supposed to fight that. Every sad sack on the face of the Earth is in agreement with the dour advice, accept for the intrepid Bob Sloan, and my big balled self. And Ranting Boomer thought I was talking about being "inspirational". I got your " ;) " swingin'!
technology has moved on. instead of the "great american novel" try writing .. maybe .. the great american blog? but yeah it does feel like the death of an era or something like that. if someone wanted to pinpoint the death of the american novel.. I wonder where that would be...
The initial inspiration for writing my first book was not about publishing, though it did get published. The inspiration for writing can be found at

http://open.salon.com/blog/jonmagee/2009/06/02/paperback_writer_the_beatles_the_omnibus_edition
But aren't these the same arguments one would use to discourage anyone from ever starting a romance? I say write the novel anyway.
Blue Heron: Well, I would discourage you from getting romantically involved for the same reasons.
I have a completely different point of view. Writing my first novel has been the most incredible experience of my life. My link is below. I'm sure you have much wisdom to share, but I'm sorry you've had a chance to discourage so many writers. Part of me wants to say, "Don't listen. He's speaking from defeat. Don't make it yours."
Cathleen Hulbert
http://likethedew.com/2009/09/25/the-courage-to-publish-independently/
Why put off the inevitable: fail early. Much better to order a whiskey sour and wallow in what could have been than see yourself fail. Once you've failed, it's a fact. Before then, it's only a possibility. Don't prove to the world how incompetent you are by trying.
This is why I went to medical school.
I wrote and submitted a novel to various agents and publishers about 12 or 13 years ago. I collected a bunch of rejection letters and applied to law school.

I would just tack on a post-script to your essay, Mr. Blumenthal, that advises would-be novelists to try to avoid going to law school following that first round of rejection letters. It is like getting married while still on the rebound, only more painful and expensive.
I wrote and submitted a novel to various agents and publishers about 12 or 13 years ago. I collected a bunch of rejection letters and applied to law school.

I would just tack on a post-script to your essay, Mr. Blumenthal, that advises would-be novelists to try to avoid going to law school following that first round of rejection letters. It is like getting married while still on the rebound, only more painful and expensive.
John I wrote my first chicklit novel when I was in the 8th grade. It was a huge hit in the junior high school with, of course, the chicks. My English teacher actually took it and edited it, presumably chuckling as he read the juvenile love prose. My mother threw it away when she moved to Denver. Maybe I'll reprise it with "her breasts full against her bustier some day"! Nah!
Cathleen: In 1999, my agent sent around one of my novels and it was turned down everywhere, but the rejection letters were so encouraging (all personal, some 2 pages long) I decided to self-publish it. I came up with a name for my publishing house, had the book put together by a guy who does it for a living, and had 2500 copies printed. Amazon & B&N (online) carried it, then I got a distributor, so it got into the stores, Meanwhile, I'd sent it everywhere for reviews and got some great ones: PW, WSJ among others. Did 42 radio interviews etc. Sold 5000 copies and it got picked up by a mainstream publisher and was re-published.

In fact, I am in the Self-Publishing Hall of Fame. (no joke).

Some writers are happy with the self-publishing experience. To me it wasn't enough. There are thousands of self-pubbed books out there, but if anybody can do it, what does it mean exactly? I need the professional affirmation. Maybe you don't. I need to say that I had a book published, not that I published a book.

Anyway, having been one first to market and sell a self-pubbed book on the Net, I'm well aware of the pros and cons, not to mention the how to's. If you need to know any tricks of the trade, I'll be happy to try to answer them.
JenniferC: First off, please call me John.
Second, law school is not the worst idea. Grisham's a lawyer (I think he's a full-time writer now.) William Carlos Williams was an MD, as was Michael Crichton. Wallace Stephens sold insurance. So, you never know.
Granddaddy was a production manager at the Hartford Courant, a venerable old daily newspaper in New England. He warned me as a boy to avoid the writer's life, saying, "You'll never make any money at writing."

As it turns out Granddaddy was right. But I became a writer anyway. Mostly because I get to hang around the house all day in flip-flops and shorts while my neighbors are cinching up their ties and polishing their shoes at the office.

My first novel tanked. Which puts me in pretty good company as I see it. But it opened a lot of doors that were closed before.

I may not write the next great American novel (or then again, I may - it depends what kind of mood I'm in), but I have the luxury of being able to write every day. I keep food on the table, even if the 401K is a little weak. So are the neighbor's at this point.

I'd say I made a good choice. Even if that first novel does remain stuck on the shelf as if Billy Mays glued it there as his last great act of salesmanship. Perhaps in the rear view mirror of time my genius will be discovered. At least then my kids (or grandkids) can benefit financially from my tendency to write, and rewrite, and rewrite, and rewrite...
Jamie: Philip Roth wrote a novel called "The Great American Novel." It wasn't.
Great post, John. You are a compassionate person.
For Bill... lol. I was too brief and too cheeky. You had some good and valid points, which I wanted to do justice to without hijacking John's comments. I posted back to you at my blog. ;)
I wrote a memoir. It's really good. Yes, I can say that. I know that given the chance, the thing could change the world for women everywhere. But fuck it, it ain't getting published and I'm not going to waste my time trying. Writing it was the better reward anyway.
Asta: Memoirs are not novels. Go for it.
Yabbut, John. I don't think you understand. My novel will be really, really good!
"The Dream: You’ve finished your first novel. You've put your heart and soul into it. It's really good. Now what?"

I'll be moving on to solving the issue of peace in the middle east.
What's really amazing are the number of people out there (me included) who have written novels are are writing novels because of the economic downturn. They are unemployed and so they're writing a book. It SOUNDS SO GOOD, even if you're not. "Yea, I can't find work but I'm working on a novel."
I'm a grumpy middle-aged guy; I'd work my "network" and see if anyone had any contacts in the publishing world that I could use. (And given that I'm a technical writer, I actually have people like that in my network!)

My problem is, outside of technical writing work, I appear to have an attention span that is precisely one blog post long. Any longer than that, and I break out in skin rashes, or something. It's pathetic. My first novel has stalled on on page 117--back in the early 90s.

For now, I'm stickin' to bloggin'.
Douglas - actually, blogging might just be the gateway drug into writing a novel. If you discipline yourself into doing so many posts a week, or a day, it's just a short step to disciplining yourself to writing so many words a day. There is a non-OS political blogger I have read for years, who thinks it must be like all those 19th century diarists who went from keeping a diary to scribbling lengthy novels.
I think he must have something going on there - because my failing as a writer was that I would get bored at a certain point and wander away, leaving something half-finished. Regular blogging put me in a more productive mind-set, that it was my job to sit down at the computer and produce so many words, every day, without fail.
You failed to mention "How to Books". How to make love in the Sand. JB, this screwed up world awaits and needs your sarcasm.
John, Just when I thought I couldn't get any more depressed; I come across this well written disdain, and break down to find, as someone once said,"the truth hurts..." and my brain screams out in pain.
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In my fantasy, Johnny Depp is dressed as himself...but whatever :)

Great post. Didn't discourage me one bit. But I am a perpetual optimist
It's too late. I'm too stupid to stop now.
I have a great idea for a novel. This chick is a Christian detective with a heaving chest...
I hope this piece succeeds in putting off many budding novelists, if only so there's less competition for me!
So...I guess that this advice is not geared towards me because I am currently working on my first Harlequin?
You are right of course John, but forget something about writing: It is a calling.

As a sometime writer of short, speculative fiction for many years under many names, I have concluded that there is one, or perhaps two novels in my future. I write for the joy and the idea that if one other person thinks, then I have found success.

To write for profit is a fool's game. If it comes, it does so for no logical or objective reason I can fathom. A person doesn't need a degree in literature to understand that most of what is published is trash, or that the people who evaluate literature do so with rules hundreds of years out of date and who cannot even begin to understand creativity.

If 500 or 50,000 people read my work, I don't care. I do it because I must, and never for money.
I've thought about it John, oh yes I have. But I know 'the dream' ain't likely to happen. The 'reality' sticks too hard in my brain. My best bet? A small local publisher where you get a cheque for $400 every year. Hey, at least you get published.
Been there. Started a second, said fuck it. Music is no better. Once a month I record a new song rather than every few days. Why bother? Blogging is cheap and easy, like the way I like my women.
These short animations will tell you all you need about trying to get a novel published:

On Meeting An Agent (Episodes 1 to 5 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkxdALqPkYM

On Meeting An Agent (Episodes 6 to 8 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumQ3dhl4aU
Oooooooh!! Boo Hoo, boo hoo!! You mean my first novel isn't going to win the Nobel Prize in Literature?? You cad!! rated
Yessirree John, you're spot on. Thanks for the article. I have more than 400 rejections to my credit, and loving it. But I'm also addicted to writing, like a crackhead to crack. Ya just keep on hoping that one day...one day....one glorious day.
Well, thanks for the rather depressing advice. :P I'm far too ADHD to put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) for more than about 5 mins. at a time anyway, so no novels forthcoming on my end, but Jesse (the husband) got 3 rejections just today, so he's bummed. Maybe if he writes as a woman, adds more boobies and incorporates a boy wizard who seduces an old farm widow whilst unraveling a conspiracy involving the Unitarians, he'll finally turn some heads.
Rated.
Shan: I think you've got a winner there. Mind if I steal it?
So true for the American literary market. My experience in my country: I sent my first novel to a publishing house annual contest. (In the back of my head I kept hearing Field of Dreams, "If you build it, they will come." Well, not build, write. I didn't make first place. What I got was a letter on the mail about four months later asking me if I still wanted to publish it with them. Making loads of money? Not likely. Seeing those words on paper and binding, a dream come true. But your words should create realistic expectations on all of us, so thank you.
Gosh, you're serious? And I thought I am jaded. Now listen, because I've registered due to this blog entry. I'm from Eastern Europe. My first novel sold around 1000 copies and earned circa 1000$ in total (three years in print), which is kind of normal for a beginner. That's twice my usual monthly wages as a PhD student, which is what I do for a living. I've got no chance to be the next JKRowling for the sole reason I don't write fiction in English. I've got no chance to go to Hollywood or get really big advances unless I win a Nobel Prize, which never happens fot the sole reason I write popular fiction (popular as a genre name, not as "being popular"). I've even got little chance to get local fame unless it's my fourth or sixth novel, because there's many big fish, good authors who occupy the place already (bless them, I love their books).
What do I do?
I am finishing the next book right now.
I think you Americans are much too spoiled. At least you have the lottery and the Dream to dream. What we have is a half-fanzine market with a few writers (less then you can count on fingers) that can support themselves, I am not talking about being rich. I still write, because I think I was born to write. I know that sounds pretentious, but still, whatever. At least I've got a chance to publish, because while I was growing up, socialism happen to fell and printing paper stopped being rationed, together with disappearance of cenzorship. Yay lucky! ^^
Think more about the books. How little wonders they are. Like when you were small and sitting in the library. And not about your egos.
So I published a novel (2 actually). I notice the fish ain't biting any better.

I discourage novel writing because the process itself is so brutal. I always send my condolences.
Sorry, all this does is encourage me to defy the odds.

I work at an independent bookstore and the quality of book has gone so far down hill someone needs to be ready and waiting in the wings to revive our industry with a very good read.