Randy Smith

Randy Smith
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An independent bookseller, publisher, Internet journalist, and sometimes broadcaster in the Louisville metro area. "There's no idea that's as dangerous as ignorance." I urge you to buy from your local independent bookseller, but if you can't, we are also online. Message me through OS and we'll take good care of you. Call it the OSticate Program.

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DECEMBER 3, 2008 11:15PM

Everybody's stalkin' at me; can't believe a word they're...

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It's funny how one post can generate an almost seemingly unrelated post elsewhere on Open Salon. Earlier today, I tumbled onto Jordan Mazza's excellent critique of online communities and their potential for creating stalking behavior. In fact, the kind of stalking Jordan was talking about includes relatively benign varieties. Read the initial posting, Generation Creep: Everybody's Stalking About It, if you like, before continuing.

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Welcome back. Told ya so. Pretty good stuff.

I have enough of the devil in me to know that, if I needed it, I could probably use Internet tools to intrude on someone else's life. I know someone who uses the Internet as a primary source of intelligence about potential foes.

For whatever reason, my adult daughter prefers not to have a personal relationship with me. Apparently, though, she does not mind if I am her "friend" on Facebook, and through that Internet community's rather impersonal and informal communications tools, I manage to keep minimal tabs on her happiness and contentment. Who knows if she does the same with regard to me.

Jordan's posting inspires me to propose a possible change to the "friending" function here at Open Salon.

Here's what Jordan had to say: With a simple declaration of friendship, as agreed upon by both parties...even Open Salon mimics many of the features on Facebook, most notably the "friends" and "edit relationships" function. It seems that these have become necessary to create any semblance of an online "community."

I myself have been active on OS for a few months. I "joined" earlier (my uid=2878), but it wasn't until this fall that I began to transfer my writing here from elsewhere.

As I discovered how the friends tool worked, I decided to treat it as a way to keep up with writers I especially wanted to follow. As helpful as the cover is, it fails to capture all my "favorites" on a consistent basis. I personally prefer favorites to friends, and I've always found the relationship questions to be awkward. As a reminder, this is what that screen looks like...hope it's OK that I use your friends screen, C.O.S.

How close are you with CoyoteOldStyle?

User Picture

Family
Haven't Met
Acquaintance
Friend
Good friend
Best Friend
So, if I were family to CoyoteOldStyle, and that would be just fine, by the way, I'm not sure it's particularly relevant on OS. So "Family" isn't all that helpful a sorter.

"Haven't Met" applies to all but two of my current "friends," and those two were "recruited" by me to come aboard. Acquaintance, Friend, Good Friend, and Best Friend are awkward constructs, especially here. I assume everyone I meet is my friend, but I'm not strictly "meeting" anyone, although I'm probably able to discern more from the writing than I would from many other types of encounters.

Just suppose, for a moment, that Joan and Kerry organize an Open Salon at Sea or that dozens of us take the occasion of the Obama inauguration to meet for the first time [Liz, how many air mattresses do you have?]

Afterward, how would we then edit those relationships? Who would come away from the encounter with best friends, and who with new acquaintances? And suppose that when I meet CoyoteOldStyle in the flesh, I crush hard on her and declare that we are now best friends. And she forgets to edit, or "upgrades" me to acquaintance?

So, with only a modicum of seriousness, how about the following hierarchy?

REGULAR READER - This would denote that I like to read this blogger's contributions, but have no real relationship. No reciprocity is expected by either party to the "relationship." No value judgment is made, no endorsement or dismissal, either.

ADMIRER - It says I admire the skill or honesty exhibited in this poster's writing and want to be alerted whenever the blogger births a new post. One benefit of such a tag would be that the "other" blogger wouldn't necessarily have to extend the courtesy in the other direction.

COLLABORATOR - Announces to any who care to know it that I have worked (or intend to work) cooperatively on Open Salon with this blogger and that we share at least some semblance of working compatibility.

CONFIDANT - Says I have an especially close relationship with this blogger, perhaps including frequent non-public communications. I may or may not have physically met the blogger, but we consider ourselves close.

OPPONENT (or FOE) - Denotes that I have a rhetorical opposition that is consistent and can be counted on to challenge this blogger's expressions. It further denotes that some modicum of respect is there, but no like-mindedness.

LUSTPUPPY - This says I have an irrational love for the personality displayed in this blogger's writing and that I may have an unhealthy addiction to him/her/them or to his/her/their writing. Which leads to...

STALKER - I compulsively read this blogger and seek out every word written and actively gather every detail of the blogger's life from what I learn on OS. I comment effusively when this blogger writes, almost always expressing amazement at the genius of the writer, until I turn bitter and become a hostile presence on all the blogger's posts. Law enforcement authorities should be notified and restraining orders should be served.

And why not add a "Check all that apply?"

I'm sure you can offer up your own list. Batter up.

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CRUSH - I have manufactured an alternate universe where this blogger and I have abandoned our significant others and would/could/do have a relationship of such intimacy as to be transcendant. See STALKER.

MENTOR - I am the teacher to this blogger's...

PROTEGE - I am the student to this blogger's...
Well, I swan, Randy! Are you stalkin' me or . . . whut?

It's nice to be appreciated and offered up as an . . . example.
Hey, we have nothing in common. Can I be your FOE? Or better still, FIEND?
NEMESIS- arch enemy and sworn rival. Life will not be fulfilled until you destroy them with words and make them cry.

I make it a point to always have one, and I am in the market for one on OS.
LOL Randy, can we put "Adore" and "Loathe" on the choices? I'm sure many would love that when dealing with me! (loathe mostly) ;-)

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In another forum, one I seldom go to anymore, a bunch of us from the New York City area have taken to getting together for dinner or drinks…or even occasional walks and talks in Central Park.

We’ve become good friends…8 to 12 people who never met before doing battle at a debating forum.

Good friends can come of these things.

Hope that some day soon, some of the New York area people here in OS get together to share some suds or food.

By the way...some of the people in California did the same thing...and a few in Europe did also. And individuals from those groups have actually visited with us in the Big Apple. It has been wonderful.
NEMESIS absolutely becomes a finalist. It's perfect.
SHILL- to designate those you've asked to join because "no one else is reading my work---please, please, please."

That's how my brother got here, now he has a bigger footprint than me. so maybe SORRY SHILL might be another category (only kidding, Frank).

I'm actually afraid to read the other "stalker" piece---on several levels.
How could I have left out SHILL? So far (I think) I've only invited people whose writing I think we would all enjoy and who, for whatever reasons, have not found their own public outlet for expression. But maybe I should start working on that shill thing.
It would be interesting, Randy, to see how many people would be truly honest filling out your new categories if others could never see your friends list, or vice versa.

Several things come to mind.

First, I have not been able to access my friends list or any other friends lists since last week. All I get is blank pages. That is a problem for me in two ways. I don't know if it is just happening to me or if everybody in OS is in the same boat. Anybody else having the same problem?

1) I use my list every day or two to open it, then go through the list one by one, click on each in Firefox to "open in a new tab." Then I go through my list of friends and see if they have something new posted so I can read and comment on that, and rate it. I do this because I figure that if I like someone's work or their character enough to list them as a friend I should care enough to read their work and support them, criticize them (carefully) and let them know I care about them.

2) along those lines, but a little different, I use the friends lists of others who have made very favorable comments on my postings several times in a row, to see if they have made me their friend, and if they have and I didn't know it, I send them a message telling them I saw what they did and am adding them to my list. The same reasons apply.

Unlike a lot of people here I do not use my friends list as a place to gather large lists of names of people up, whether for a built in audience or just to be sure I don't miss their posts. If there is someone whose work I like that I do not have any interest being friends with (for example, George Will, were he a member here), then I bookmark his or her name in Firefox in an album called "OS posters I enjoy."

4) If I want to make a new friend here I always send them a message first telling them I would like to do that and would like them to do the same for me. That is clearly unnecessary according to the rules here [I know people here who have friends lists of well over 50 pages] but I figure a friend is someone who cares about me enough to read my stuff, and vice versa; and if they don't then, again to me, it would seem to me an odd friendship for me to set up on my own.

I believe that how I do it reflects not only what I feel is common courtesy but also a generational thing, where the word "friend" means something not to be taken lightly. [I have a number of true friends in my non OS life, but I know many more acquaintances.] That is, I know, old fashioned, but, last time I checked, I can't influence how old I am.

This post of yours, friend, actually, by now good friend, is a useful way to see how we various members of this OS community use an important tool for stitching the community together.

If I were to change anything in the way we do it now, it would be to require the establishment of friendships to be by mutual consent, and to have another category simply called "Favorite bloggers."

By the way, all of my friends here and I exchange brief notes (PMs, private messages) alerting each other of new posts we have made. Something as simple as "Hi, I have a new post up about the financial crisis. Hope you like it." Then listing a link to the post. Some here resent that, although for the life of me I can't understand why, so when I invite a new friend I always tell them that if they don't want such notices just tell me and I won't do it with them.

Good, thought provoking, post, Randy. Thank you.

Monte
Randy, I have nothing to add to your flawless and amusing list, other that SHILL (aka PIMP), but m.a.h. (as usual) has managed to get my own half-formed ideas into words while I'm still groping around for my reading glasses. (She's a confidante, by the way, and could easily blackmail me if I had any money left.)

I have to say that I am also somewhat unnerved by the OS "Friends" page and the whole categorization thing -- a bit too reminiscent of junior high, and who wants to go THERE again? My own strategy has been to sign on friends faster than a yellow lab at a dog park, figuring I can always toss out the lemons later on when nobody's looking. Only problem with this is that I am forever reading and commenting on other people's posts, with little time leftover to hone my own writing skills (not to mention make dinner, balance the checkbook, get some exercise etc.). What's a blogger to do?

Thanks so much for the heads up on Jordan Mazza's excellent post. Now I know why I've been avoiding Facebook.

Thumbs up on both.
L,nL: I grok the idea of "discarding the lemons," but doesn't that create a whole new dynamic? And when, may I ask, is that golden time when no one is looking?
Randy, didn't mean the lemon remark to sound callous! My friends list goes on for several pages now. For me, it's a convenient way to find out when someone I generally enjoy has put up a post. Some of the people on my list have disappeared from OS, at least for the time being. Maybe others have drifted off into a direction I'm not inclined to follow. From time to time, I expect I will clean house (probably about as often as I clean my real house, which means infrequently) and remove bloggers whose sites I no longer frequent regularly. As I understand it, people are not notified when they are removed from somebody's list, so there's no chance for bruised feelings. I have never searched through another blogger's friends list (except perhaps a quick look in passing at whoever happens to be on their main page), nor do I expect to, and I doubt whether anyone would look through mine.
ps what's grok? Or is that a typo?
Sorry, Laurel, not Lauren, I meant that to be much lighter than you inferred. But if someone did drop you as a friend, wouldn't you wonder, wouldn't you have a moment of hurt feelings? With friends scattered over many pages, it's tough to wade through. I'd be much happier with a page that sorted friends by who had posted most recently; that would do more to assure me that I hadn't missed something good.

From Wikipedia: To grok is to share the same reality or line of thinking with another physical or conceptual entity. Author Robert A. Heinlein coined the term in his best-selling 1961 book Stranger in a Strange Land. In Heinlein's view of quantum theory, grokking is the intermingling of intelligence that necessarily affects both the observer and the observed.

To me, to say I grok means my thinking is aligned with yours. Sorry for the confusion.
Randy, you grok! I love that word! Learn somethin' new here every day...

I wouldn't ever check somebody's list to see if I'm still on it or not. Same reason I don't open my 401k statements these days: ignorance is sometimes bliss.
Randy, you left out WHORE and PIMP, which we have now and should definitely keep. You haven't lived til you've seen Freaky's pimp!