Preface: Fingerlakeswanderer wrote specifically to Mr. E asking about what sex is like for men, and he answered (with what could easily be my favorite post of the month!); consequently he volleyed the ball back to her court asking in turn what sex was like for women. Well, this is my “buttinski” moment, where I offer my best report on the subject.
What is sex like for a woman?
Major Disclaimer: While I’m sure many women have things in common, as everyone knows, each woman is very different from one another. I’m framing my commentary in the context of what I know and how I feel, and fully recognize that my opinions are entirely colored by subtle aspects of my own personality: my insecurities, my desires, my preferences, my culture, my beliefs, my body, my experiences. So, read with an open mind that what may hold true for me and women like me, will not hold true for all women everywhere. I also implore women who agree or disagree with the depictions presented here to chime in, as to offer a better idea of the closest we can come to a complete picture for those curious to know.
Like men, women also have sex for lots of different reasons: ranging from stress release to craving human contact, sometimes detached and feral, sometimes fully engrossed in a multi-sensory merger with a person as an expression of unbridled love, sometimes wanting to have a baby. But whatever the reason, I can safely say that the experience is at both eerily similar and wildly different than what goes on with you men (from what I’ve read.) And I know I’m not the first to say that women want it just as often as men.
First, without a doubt, I gotta say it’s plain flattering to have a man aroused in my presence. Even when I’m not particularly in the mood, a glimpse of a subtle nudge from inside his fly can take me to horny-town on the express train. It doesn’t even have to be something I did, said, or wore to work that day... I totally know that erections can come from out of practically nowhere, but, I’m just sayin’ that when one’s around... and the attraction is mutual, I want it. That’s one of the differences, perhaps advantages, to the way our plumbing is different. You can’t tell when I want to screw, but I can tell when you want it, and that’s fun.
Caveat: There was a time when I felt this was a curse, but I realized that was because I was surrounded by the wrong partners in the wrong situations. There are men who feel that an erection is an obligation, will say things like “look what you did, now take care of it,” and it can be really rude and icky. This falls into the same categories of “you’ve crossed the line into yucky-ville, bucko” as do the acts of pinching or biting my nipples really hard, pushing my head down to gag me during oral, the shocker, and lying there uninterested with a half-softie telling me to do what I need to do and leave you alone. These are NOT nice things, and they are not what I will focus the bulk of this post on. It isn’t sex at that point; it’s more like sexual assault.
I agree with MrE’s sentiment that committed-partner sex is a little watered-down at times, in that you don’t want them to flip out and leave from your freakiness, and you don’t want to hurt or insult them because you need to face them every day. How awkward is it at breakfast the next morning when you’re sore from whip-welts, putting the butt plugs in the dishwasher, or replaying the things you both said in the heat of the moment. “Pass the butter” is so ironic in the shadows of some of the things that get said in wild kinky moments. For me, though, because I have a healthy (read: twisted) sense of humor, I think that would be a little funny, and would totally do it.
I try to provide as much variety as possible in bed, because, frankly... it makes you feel different inside me, and I like that. The variety I can get from one man is remarkable. You do feel new almost every time, and I don’t know if you can tell, but when you surprise me, and I’m not quite as relaxed and wet as usual; or when you start off kind of medium-hard, and as we go on or I start to say things, you get urgently harder; or when I’ve been thinking of you all day and can’t wait to have you, and my vagina swallows you with not only ease, but with vigorous hunger; or when you’re coming at me standing, sitting, kneeling, me on top, you on top, from behind... they all feel different. At the same time, advantageously same-enough that I know where I need to lean to get you to hit the right spot every time, without any awkward repositioning and tugging that comes with first-times.
I also strongly feel that any kind of clawing, gripping, squeezing, biting, pulling, and verbal pleading also help to reinforce desire, and can be done in the comfy complete relationship as well as a carnally-focused not-relationship relationship. It helps the comfies know that they have this extra layer to their love, this secret, this thirst for one another... and it helps the carnal ones unleash as much as possible and go wild.
I’m going out on a limb and saying what a woman mostly wants in bed, is 2 things: (1) to feel like the best thing that could happen to you, and (2) to experience surprising, intense, unladylike ecstasy during the session. (Not necessarily in that order).
I would say the first is more specifically to feel so uncontrollably needed, like being with her is the best feeling on Earth at that moment, and you’re the luckiest bastard there ever was. She needs to be told that, whether she is whipping you to pink welts or licking you gently to goosebumps, she is making you feel intensely good things and that you’re grateful. This is where the comfies kind of have an advantage, too, because we’re more likely to believe someone we’re committed to and love when you say things like that, and I feel that believability is key to taking this need to the proper level. I can say that hearing that I feel incredible on him is just as hot when it’s one of those super-comfy slow lovemaking sessions as it is during a sheets-tangling sizzlefest.
The second thing, which can sometimes be our first priority, is the fucking itself. We want to get that indescribable symphony of sensation – combination of full, tight, slippery, rubbing, heat, banging, (with optional but suggested gripping and grabbing) until our body starts tingling, like our very essence is being sucked out of our extremities and all our energy is collecting in our crotch, focusing more intensely on the action like a flashlight-turned-laserbeam, intensifying and making us forget the whole world because all that matters is that cock in me, and oh my God, just... keep... it... going... until the laser focuses so intensely, burns so bright, it explodes back out, and rushes into the drained corners of our bodies, sometimes rebounding like the waves lapping up and out of a pool when someone does a real good cannonball. Again and again, and sometimes again after you’re not even in there anymore.
And the second-and-a-half thing is that we want you to climax, too. It might be just me, but hearing how much guys love sex and how horny they are all the time, it’s weird when you don’t finish. Too weird.
Unlike the men, I don’t think that sex is all that much better with a casual partner. I think that for women, sex is better with someone who’s earned our trust, passed our tests, proven himself worthy – and while that might not be a committed exclusive relationship partner, it’s really not the one-night-stand guy. There’s so much anxiety during and after a one-night-stand: is he going to let me go home? Is he going to hurt me? Is he going to rob me? Is he going to ruin my sheets? Will he turn into a stalker? Is this going to be on the Internet? Etc... that it really doesn’t play out like it does in movies. It’s really very difficult to find a sexy stranger, do it in an alley, and consider it one of the best adventures of your life... I mean, I totally fantasize about that, but I don’t think I could ever pull the trigger on it. REAL people (as opposed to fantasy people) are just too unpredictable, and it would be too hard to stop thinking and get my cannonball on.
I do understand men’s desire for variety; I think that way about cocks when I see them in porn or in the shadows of strangers’ trousers, but it must be something fundamentally different in our genetic code that makes us not as hypnotically compelled to test them out. I wonder if it harkens back to mating instinct. A female would be more likely to go back to the same male that passed all her quality tests once before than take a gamble on someone new (especially choosy girls.) Whereas, males seek to plant the seed in as many furrows as possible. It’s one theory. I think it seems sound. I think it explains a lot why trust is more of a factor that intensifies sexual satisfaction for us than it is for you.
I also have another theory, one that presents a continuum of our willingness to let you sow your polyamorous oats. On one end, there’s the feeling that what you want is absolutely out of the question, sick, twisted, revolting. Then, getting that you want to do it. Then, getting why you want to do it. Then, being open to letting you do it (the sex holiday). Then, being open to letting you tell us about what you did. Then, watching. Then, picking out girls for you. Then, picking out girls for us. Then, opening our home and relationship to those girls for a long time. Then the continuum juts off on a tangential line about where we’d consider letting you get those girls pregnant.
I’m probably going to fall somewhere between “letting you tell me about it” and “watching.” Maybe “picking out girls for you.” But that would be my outer limit. And as far as getting other women pregnant, I’m going to fall way back toward “getting that you want to.” But, that’s just me.
And also, finally, I don’t necessarily 100% dislike being thought of as a sexual object. I have been involved in ‘friends with benefits’ and ‘booty call’ relationships before, and I don’t regret them. I do prefer when a relationship has definition, though, and if I’m going to be your sex toy, don’t tell me about your day. Muddling it all up by cuddling or inviting me to spend the night is just confusing. If that’s all it is, let it be. I would rather not live under the delusion that you actually care about me if you can’t stand me except for the way I feel on your cock. I can’t stand trying to force a relationship to work just because the sex is too good to quit. I wouldn’t want to only be thought of as that by everyone, I’d hope that at least one person could see more, and he would become my mate, but... if I love myself enough not to feel like my identity is defined by the man I’m with, go on, think I’m sexy. I can handle it.
Pop culture has done a lot for opening women up to talking about sexual desires and being more honest and reflective about what they want, and that’s an overall good thing. I fear, though, that it might ruin some of the illusions you boys had about us, haha, and without our mysterious feminine wiles, we just have laserbeams and cannonballs. I had fun doing this, I hope that someone has fun reading it... I would really like to know if anyone agrees or disagrees with anything I’ve put out there.
Oh, and, sorry for the buttinski.


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Your post was outstanding. Aside from the erection, I was fascinated and completely engaged from the beginning. Then toward the end you said the following.
"I have been involved in ‘friends with benefits’ and ‘booty call’ relationships before, and I don’t regret them. I do prefer when a relationship has definition, though, and if I’m going to be your sex toy, don’t tell me about your day. Muddling it all up by cuddling or inviting me to spend the night is just confusing. If that’s all it is, let it be. I would rather not live under the delusion that you actually care about me if you can’t stand me except for the way I feel on your cock." This is so seriously relevant I let out a primal scream that I am sure my downstairs neighbor heard.
I have had relationships like this before. (More than a few to be honest.) I am seriously guilty of exactly what you said here. To be frank (and contrary to popular opinion) an emotional connection makes a sexual relationship - light years better for men as well. It certainly does for me. To try to restrain the natural affection that comes along with the sexual intimacies of "friends with benefits" is hard. Very hard. While it isn't something that I recognized as being a violation of unspoken rules, your line about "if you're my sex toy, you don't want to hear about my day" hits home. It is, and will be, difficult to keep from wanting to cuddle (I am naturally touchie feelie)... but I get it.
For a buttinski... you are amazing and you have a new fan. Congratulations on a great post.
(Now I need a cold shower or someone bestowing benefits.. or both.)
Is that a quote from the bedroom?
re objectification. I wonder if it was not an issue before the 60s feminists and playboy magazine.
there is a new writer, I forget his name, who suggests that some degree of objectification is nec for a good sex life!! will see if I run across it again.
for men its been proven, they are highly aroused visually. so I dont think its "objectification" so much as "visualization". males are highly keyed to sensory aspects of sex, esp visual cues, women probably less so but still somewhat.
what you write above is largely in line with a new field called "evolutionary psychology".. encourage everyone to read more about it for various great insights.
One thing that struck me particularly about your account was how much you worry and are concerned for your safety around men. That's definitely something that men and women experience differently I think.
Another thing I'm pretty sure of is that while many men would probably find the idea of you giving him "fresh meat", as it were, there are very few men that truly want to get a woman pregnant (other than the woman they're in a deeply committed relationship with). Maybe I'm wrong about that but I don't think so. So I don't think your extrapolation would ever go quite as far as you fear. I think the worst outcome (other than an accident) would be that your man might decide he likes someone you bring home better than you.
And that's why I think it should be a limited thing, a gift between you and nothing more-- for the sole purpose of sex, pleasure, and then booting out after a day or two. The whole idea is to *enhance* YOUR (meaning the two of you) experience together. You would be tossing him some raw meat now and then as a treat (or vise versa-- what's good for him should be good for you as well, if that's what you want).
Adding "raw meat" to your sex games should be a treat, an occasional dish, something to spice up your love life and keep it fresh-- not the main course, and not a substitute for intimacy between you and your partner.
That, of course is the big risk in that sort of arrangement or play. The fear that she (or he) may not go home or that your partner may grow emotionally attached.
Getting back to babies-- I can say that when I met the right woman-- I had a definite desire to get her pregnant-- to give her babies. For her to bear my children and all of that. And she was sexy when she was pregnant, despite her protestations to the contrary. The couple of things that surprised me though, that I really didn't expect, is that I wasn't really interested in her breast milk-- despite all the horny thoughts about it I'd ever had up to that point. And after a certain point in the pregnancies (nearing the end of the second trimester) it got to be "weird" having sex with her knowing that inches away was my new child. I have to admit that put a real damper on things. It didn't bother me up until that point.
I don't really understand your side of the "booty-call" (fuck-buddy) "friends with benefits" thing though-- and I've heard other women express similar sentiments. Just because its a casual thing doesn't mean it can't be friendly, amicable or express some level of affection. Casual sex, for me at least, isn't a perfunctory experience, rather it just isn't a deeply emotional one. Showing some tenderness or saying some nice things, making compliments, etc., doesn't seem inappropriate. There is no aim to make anybody uncomfortable or feel unappreciated. Just not much desire to take it further-- at least not now, not today. You may not be my type, I may not be looking, you may not be available, or it may be that we're completely compatible but just haven't decided to declare it so. There can be a whole range of contingencies here. That may be a difference between men and women, or it may be a miscommunication between your thoughts and mine-- and in our various posts-- casual doesn't have to be non-intimate or caring, just that there's not likely to be a whole lot more right now (or any more at all, ever). You know, its like the old song about the here and now-- love the one you're with.
Does that make sense?
I think men are always hoping to find that special someone that just knocks their socks off and sends them into orbit around a distant sun. Probably men and women are alike in that respect. And when a man finds a woman like that-- whatever the setup, whatever the arrangement-- whatever the ground rules are supposed to be-- all bets are off and serious pursuit mode is about to begin.
I think it would be nice if men and women weren't so hung up about sex. After all everybody seems to understand the basic needs and drives. And apparently there are quite a few people quietly suffering in relationships that, while otherwise fufilling in other aspects, are lacking for whatever reason in the sex department. Maybe the zip is gone, or they've drifted apart sexually, or there is a medical reason, or some other aspect-- whatever it is, there are apparently a lot of people with the same general problems who all would like to experience some relief and intimacy, even if its only for awhile-- and yet, because of stupid societal customs and mores-- are not allowed to meet up and scratch their itches.
Its very sad really.
But I loved your post-- it would be great if you would continue it-- go into more detail about the mechanics of sex for a woman-- what you feel and think about, not so much as what enables you, but what happens after that.
@ silk: hmm.... no, but now that I think of it, I bet I could work it in :o)
@ OES: thanks, that means a lot coming from an OS superstar like yourself. I appreciate the comment!
@ icemilk: that wasn't the point, but definitely a flattering side effect. Which part did it? Maybe I have a future in smut.
@ incandescent: that's a good point; we're not all that different. Seeing common threads among people in general, not necessarily even just sexually, is comforting for sure. Helps with understanding one another now and then... actually, I've noticed sometimes the man/woman gender roles are often divvied up in relationships to the point where the man displays some of these feminine traits, and vice versa. Thanks for the rate!
@ Cartouche: please, please, please expand -- I would love to hear what you have to say. Have been a big fan of yours for a long time, and your thoughts on the matter would be happily savored with my morning coffee. (While the dishwasher cycle finishes, haha.)
@ cym: another?! right on! thanks for the sweet comment :o)
@ Dana D: Thank you, again, that means a lot to me. I would be so thrilled to hear how it is from your perspective.
@ Dr Devo: It may not have always been that way, I dunno... but... just like a lot of fantasies and scenes from movies, they SEEM good in theory, until our little reality-check light starts blinking. One-nighters are thrilling but stupid for the most part -- especially where I had most of mine -- on a college campus. I worry that the images presented to women about sexy rendezvous might compel them to think that this behavior is obligatory for them at some point, which for the wrong girls, can be way too dangerous. Thanks for the comment and kudos.
@ vzn: Thanks for thinking I'm interesting, that is a compliment I'll gladly accept! I am fascinated by evolutionary psychology, I guess it shows. Also, I'll take the avatar thing into consideration. I don't find it all that offensive, I love my rack, but a couple people have mentioned it's hard to take me seriously that way. I'll see if I can find one with my head attached. :o)
@ Kent: thank you very much for understanding. Especially when I feel like I invited it (by posting a pic of my cleavage, perhaps), it's all in fun -- hopefully no harm will come of it, and my words can speak for themselves to prove I'm not just boobs.
And finally, @ Mr.E: Thanks for forgiving the butt-in. I think we could possibly be campaigning together for the sex-holiday some day! "What better gift for the person who has everything?"As for continuing the discussion, at the risk of increasing the cold-shower usage throughout the country; I promise I'll give it a whirl this weekend. I can take you through the typical thoughts in my head during the whoopee. However, I'm sure that experience is going to be really individual, though -- and you/we/everyone should possibly consider making it an open-call: "what goes through your mind during sex?"
Thanks for the inspiration and supportive comments.
Upon review, On the no-strings sex bits: I admit I was probably more chilly there than I could ever hope to practice in real life, honestly. I usually do maintain the 'friendship' parts of 'friends with benefits' just as general courtesy (I'm not evil!), which involves small talk and overall kindness. But it does get too hurtful when one partner thinks it's something more than the other partner does. Clear boundaries help these trysts stay relatively healthy, that's all. If you're with a woman in this kind of arrangement, watch out for signs of her (or your) attachment and shelve the hotness for a few days/weeks to re-establish the sanity.
Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to read and comment. I learned a lot, and can't wait for the next thing to send us to the cold showers, haha.
In my case-- all, or nearly all (I'm wracking my brain to think if there were any exceptions)-- of my FB's were located in other towns and at distances ranging from half-hour to many hours away. So visits were nearly always planned ahead and had very definite begin and end points.
There are two or three that stand out specifically more than the others-- one of which was definitely more of the "FRIENDS with benefits" type-- although she very clearly herself termed us "fuck buddies"-- and we'd meet up every couple of months, either in her town or mine, for a week or a weekend, and hang out, have fun, let our hair down, and fuck like rabbits-- rabbid rabbits.
Another was definitely of the pure "fuck-buddy" variety- she lived a half-hour or so away, was married, had kids-- he knew, was okay with it-- I even met him a couple of times, a little weird that-- "hey dude, how's it going? Is your old lady home? We're gonna head out and fuck now, okay? I'll have her home around midnight..." -- that was never an actual conversation but it sure was what was going through my head most of the time. He seemed laid-back about it though. And I know she had one or two other fuck-buddies as well. We had great times together-- lots of sweaty orgasms, usually in the back of my station wagon-- she used to give me heck about that since she was a housewife (i.e. with a house) and I was just a low-paid computer jock at the time, with roommates... We did stuff together for several years until it sorta just drifted off. She did contact me though one time later, many years later-- probably 10 or more-- to tell me again "Thanks for all the orgasms".... (Let me tell you now-- THAT is one heck of a way to give a guy a big head-- er, TWO big heads! I was smiling for a month after that)
The third one that I vividly remember was a friend from the next town over-- she was also married-- I knew and was friends with her hubby-- we were all friends together-- she told me he knew-- I found out (again, a number of years later) that he hadn't known, so I felt a little bit bad, until he told me it wouldn't have mattered to him if he had known... So we kept on being friends. Of all the women I've been with, I think the memory of a one specific night with her is one of the most poignant in my memory. We palled around as both friends and fuck-buddies for a couple of years-- and then the fuck-buddy part just ended one day-- as a matter of fact I think it was the next morning after the encounter I remember so vividly. We continued to pal around as friends for another year or so-- she and I and her husband and another mutual friend of ours-- before my job required me to move away to a mid-western state.
The point that I'm making is that all of these arrangements, and the others, were friendly, amicable, typically periodic and "stable" (in quotes-- meaning more that everyone knew the score and was okay with it) We had dinners together, slept together (in a bed I mean), went to each other's friend's houses for parties and whatnot-- you know, did normal regular stuff together-- *and* we were fuck-buddies. It wasn't a big thing, it was just a part of the overall arrangement.
And when the time came for them to be over, they were over-- no crying, no worries, just friendly goodbyes-- hope ya write sometimes.
Another time I had a one-night stand (weekend) with a woman I was an acquaintance with (but practically speaking it was a "first date" type of thing, I didn't know her all that well, but I did know she was no stranger to the "fuck buddy" concept). We spent the day in bed having fun-- and I dozed off at some point-- and woke up to find her crying-- and long story short, she says I wasn't supposed to be so "tender and nice" and it fucked-her up emotionally. For me it was a complete surprise-- I was just being me and having a good time with her-- her reaction came (from my point of view) completely out of left field.
My goal isn't to turn this into a run-down of my various conquests, but more to point up and illustrate the nature of what I mean by "fuck buddy" / "friends with benefits" arrangements.
They are definitely not serious relationships, but neither are they wham-bam-thankya-maam sessions either. I guess I've had enough of those too, and while they're exciting and all, they're more just the occasional "wild night" opportunities that happen from time-to-time. When they happen, you just go with it until they're over. Kinda like that Melanie Griffith movie where she "kidnaps" the straight-laced grocery manager or whatever it was. That was a great movie, btw. :)
And thanks to you, too, MalBeck. I was raised in a pretty tight-lipped household where we just didn't talk -- about anything. I've only recently discovered that honesty and openness in communication (on any topic) is a much better alternative and gets a lot more questions answered than the traditional guessing and trial-and-error style. Since that revelation, a whole gush of opinions and ideas came surging out and it's sometimes hard to keep it in check when needed. God bless the internet and her ability to fortify our bravery sometimes.
Oh contraire on both points. Women have many "tells" as to when they are excited and "in the mood"-- you just have to observe them carefully. Her eyes (pupils) dilate, her breathing becomes heavier and irregular, she starts playing with her hair or stroking her hair, she starts finding ways to touch you, her mouth will purse up a little, her eyes will crinkle-- and those are just a few things to notice.
And its nearly always possible to tell when they've had an orgasm too-- women can actually orgasm in several ways-- perhaps its ultimately connected, but I've always thought of it as separate-but-on-a-continuum. They can climax clitorally and in their vaginas. If you're actually touching the clitoris at the right moment, you can sometimes feel it swell up just before she cums, and it will often heat up for a short moment-- blink and you've missed it-- and sometimes the area around the clitoris will spasm just a little-- more like "winking". When a woman orgasms vaginally I *think* she also generally orgasms clitorally, which is why I think its a continuum-- (one of the women-folk here will have to step in if I'm wrong about that)-- when she orgasms vaginally you can feel the "rings" in her vagina (the muscles up and down the length of her vagina) "spasm" / tighten and relax rhythmically. And there is a certain change in her taste just as she's orgasming. And the warmth near her clit as I mentioned earlier. And if she's *really* orgasming its almost impossible not to notice-- her vagina will "wink" open and closed, her anus and the area just around it will spasm a bit. There will also probably be a flush on her chest and in her cheeks. She will also probably clench her breathing for just a short moment and then let it out. She might additionally moan or whatever else.
And similarly, you can nearly always tell when she's faking it. You can fake the moans. Might be able to squeeze the muscles in the vagina and nearby areas. But you can't fake the physiological aspects.
But of course its never polite to tell your bedmate she's lying either :)
(I do wish though, if women are going to fake it, they would at LEAST keep it down-- listening to women wailing and caterwauling like in the porno movies is incredibly irritating if it isn't real).
:)
I used to (back in high school) think that it was only men that 'went on the hunt'. Then I met Heidi. She was so atypical to what I expected in a woman. She was sex crazed and probably a nymphomaniac. She ATTACKED me. She was like a sexual beast. Her one and only goal was to be fucked... We didn't last long. I was so frightened of her over the top drive to be ravaged like a cat in heat that I couldn't 'do it'. Not even close. One of my friends laughed at me when I told him that story. It wasn't funny but was a learning experience.
She did open my eyes (WIDE open). There are women that are sex objects. They are, or do become fixated on sex, just like there are men that feel the same way.
I've been married now for 19 and together for 28 years. Sex is the glue that holds us together. It's been interesting being with the same partner for that long. We go in spurts too where we screw like rabbits and things cool off. One thing that has helped us, according to my wife, is the openness of the use of 'toys' like vibrators. She evidently talks with other women about our sex life and so many women either have brought it up with their partners or have been given the idea that it is forbidden and yet it's become part of ours. I wonder sometimes if she could function without it now but if it makes her happy, I'm happy.
We still, mostly, have the same sex life that we had in our youth. We still have the animalistic, need generated, lusty all out groping urgent rogering to the easy, casual lazy screw to the hedonistic porn star fucking sessions.
She has commented too on the changes in sex. The early short duration of my youth to the long staying power of my adulthood.
I guess my advice to younger couples would be to not be afraid to experiment because it will come in handy in the future...
Maybe I've been disjointed in my comments but this has been an interesting couple of related posts. I've often asked my wife what sex is like for a woman. We've talked about it from the mechanical and psychological aspects a few times and I find it fascinating to read what others feel...
Sometimes you can feel that too... She says that she can feel my urethra surging and each release splashing her cervix and vagina. Interesting...
I don't know how a man can fake it but I guess that not all men are created equal...