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JANUARY 27, 2010 12:05PM

Ford profits soar with "traditional values" boycott - UPDATE

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From 2005 to 2008 the boycott-happy Christian rightist organization American Family Association was touting its alleged success at beating down Ford Motor Company with a boycott because of that company's gay-friendly marketing at Pride events.

Never mind that American car manufacturers across the board were suffering from weak sales and bloated inventories of gas hogs during an economic recession.  Today, Bloomberg business analysts project Ford may report a 2009 net profit of as much as $2.65 billion.

While Ford has been earning billions of dollars the past year, the AFA website has gone strangely silent about its boycott, taking credit instead for such things as blocking the nomination of Erroll Southers, to head up the Transportation Security Administration. AFA is one of the most self-promoting (as well as self-righteous) organizations I’ve ever seen and they do an amazing job of stroking their maghas.

If Ford’s experience is any indication of real world results, manufacturers might want to consider ways to get on the AFA’s shit list.

 

 

UPDATE (01/28/2010):

 

A reader comment by the hetero-pride activist and openly Christian Philos 777 alerts me of the need to update this post. 

According to media reports, AFA unilaterally ended their boycott of Ford in 2008, claiming "the conditions of the original agreement presented in fall 2005 have been met."

I was inspired to write this post for the simple reason that I was unable to find any information about the end of the boycott on the AFA website (google link), and I cannot find any there now.

Still, the end of the boycott was reported elsewhere, and I failed to notice that.  It changes the look of things, but only slightly.

I'm not the only person questioning the effectiveness of the AFA boycott strategy for stoking members and raising millions for the Wildmons in Tupelo.  According to one Business Journal blogger at that time, Ford remains staunchly "pro-gay", despite the petition rattling and boycott threats.  The writer casts other doubts on the AFA announcement as well.

I would also like to ask Philos:  What happened in the year and a half or so after the boycott ended?  Market trends rarely shift so quickly.

Did millions of AFA members suddenly fulfill their pent up desires to go out and buy Ford products during the middle of a recession after the boycott was over, causing Ford sales to soar?

I didn't think so either.

 

 

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When Ford hit 3 bucks a share I jumped on it. They went up three times in value. Maybe those "Christians" can boycott something else for me.
Well, this is good news. What would Jesus Drive? Oh, silly me he wouldn't own a car.
Good timing, ocular.

OEsheepdog: a camel? Oh wait... that's a cigarette, isn't it?
Yes! Rated....xx A
I wonder if we could get the AFA to boycott GM? They could use some help.
The fact that Ford has made some good changes to their product line in recent years probably hasn't hurt them either. I was happy to hear that there will be more jobs soon at our Chicago Ford assembly plant. Having them succeed while thumbing their marketing noses at the fam-fascists is a fine bonus.
bike: I was wondering if anyone would challenge my personal agenda-driven propaganda. :-)

I did notice my tongue poking the inside of my cheek while writing the headline, but figured turn about is fair play.

Cap'n: All GM has to do to draw down the wrath of the AFA is to sponsor a gay pride picnic somewhere. Or maybe advertise on LOGO.
Ford, unlike the other car manufacturers foresaw the automotive down turn. It started closing plants, reduced inventory, and piled up cash serveral years ago. They also, started moving their profits margins on smaller cars to lessen the impact of a drop in large pick-ups and SUVs sales.

It was good business and spot on forecasting that has resulted in turning a profit now. The boycott by this group or the support of Ford by gays has nothing to do with their current good fortune because neither swing that big of a hammer to have any impact.
Todd,

You won't get an argument from me.

Now, go tell that to the Rev. Donald Wildmon, or his son, or his followers at AFA in Tupelo. They're probably richer than Ford.
yeah, I'm actually thinking of trading in my Chrysler for a Ford,

just to piss them off!
resistance,

The idea of boycotting companies is nothing new. In theory I agree with the idea of consumers protesting by giving or removing support in the way of sales. Unfortunately many groups at the drop of a hat will declare a boycott without honestly opening up a dialog with the company and trying to understand each others position.
Usually these type of boycotts are more to preach to the choir or to try and gain some national exposure for their group or leader.

Companies do listen and will change if their bottom line is effected by the boycott. I remember back in the 80s there was a boycott against Clorox and it did gain wide support and they not only changed their policies, but the president himself made the rounds apologizing to those they offended.

It make little sense to spend millions on advertising and goodwill only to have it evaporate from public unrest. It can damage a brand for years.
You dipshits, Ford met the boycott terms 2 years ago....

You're sooooo funny. You would manipulate the facts to serve your own delusions and get more libtard Christian bashers commenting in your silly mutual hate society.

Read it and weep.
________________________________________
BIZNETDAILY

Flinch! Ford finally bends, homosexual boycott over

Activists say carmaker meets conditions
as sales plunged 8% per month since '05
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Posted: March 10, 2008
8:38 pm Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

In the face of plummeting car sales, Ford Motor Company has taken steps to reduce its aggressive, pro-homosexual policies, prompting a family-rights group to call off its boycott of the carmaker.

The American Family Association says it's suspending its two-year boycott of Ford, noting the auto giant has met the conditions of the original agreement between AFA and Ford from 2005

AFA Chairman Donald Wildmon said the original agreement between the family group and Ford contained four items:
• Ford would not renew current promotions or create future incentives that give cash donations to homosexual organizations based on the purchase of a vehicle.
• Ford would not make corporate donations to homosexual organizations that, as part of their activities, engage in political or social campaigns to promote civil unions or same-sex marriage.
• Ford would stop giving cash and vehicle donations or endorsements to homosexual social activities such as 'gay'-pride parades.
• Ford would cease all advertising on homosexual websites and through homosexual media outlets (magazines, television, radio) in the U.S. with the exception of $100,000 to be used by Volvo. The Volvo ads would be the same ads used in the general media and not aimed at the homosexual community specifically.
Wildmon said a few minor issues remain, and AFA will continue to bring these to the attention of Ford.

According to AFA, during the 24 months the boycott was in effect, Ford sales dropped an average of 8 percent per month. The organization said its boycott was not entirely responsible for the drop in sales, but played a very significant role. A total of 780,365 individuals had signed AFA's Boycott Ford petition.

Yeah, you read it right. 780,365 signatures. I guarantee that Ford has NEVER EVER received a petition with that many signatures for any issue before. Great job AFA.
In 2005, Ford's stock was downgraded because of pension liabilities (so was GM's). So, yeah, they slashed costs, including ads.

In recent years, car sales have plummeted. GM's and Ford's. Since AFA didn't boycott GM, the fact that their sales dropped, too, implies it is the market, not some stupid boycott.

In no analysis of the car market and Ford's place in it, does the boycott figure.

In short, no matter how many signatures were on the petition, the AFA boycott didn't make a damn bit of difference.

I'm sure some Corporate Communications guy from Ford spent some time figuring out how to throw a sop to the AFA without changing a bit of corporate policy. Agreeing not to donate to specific interest groups when Ford had no plans to donate to any groups might have been an item.
Philos,

Thanks for the fact checking. I would not have written this post the way I did if I had seen that information on the AFA website. I searched for it and did not see it.

However, it IS there, and it was reported elsewhere, so I will update my post to reflect that information as soon as I can.

There are some weaknesses to your suggestion that the boycott was effective and I will probably address that as well.
I think the influence of 780,365 signatures is a serious matter to any CEO. The traditional values community is much larger than the gay community. Probably 100 times larger. I doubt the volume of sales to gays makes a difference either.

Isn't it wonderful how both sides here want to claim victory. We all know the economy tanked. But trying to explain away the fact that Ford met the boycott requirements is tough. Ford obviously wants to present itself as socially conscious and sensitive to traditional values also. They also want to sell cars to straits and gays alike.

As long as companies specifically and openly court gays as a demographic, organizations like AFA have a responsibility to challenge them. We should all be glad that the economy is turning around.

So, should there be moral boundaries to a society? Who should define the moral boundaries of a society?
@ Philos: I need to clarify my last comment. I said the information was on the AFA website. I still can't find it. Would you please provide a link to any announcement by AFA that the boycott is over?
Come on, Philos.

You are spouting some wishful thinking and not backing your comments up with any references. Readers here deserve more respect than that.

I would also appreciate it if you'd consider posting a response on your own blog, rather than trying to debate the issue in comments here. Most people have read this post and moved on. Few would read about any disagreement now.

Oh wait... I just noticed the Editors have deigned to give this piece of fluff a coveted Editor's Pick!

I really don't understand them at all. Of all the posts I've ever made on OS (and most of them are long gone now), this is one of the least deserving choices, imo.

Fucking user-hating OS online html/text editor! It deletes my links half the time, I swear!

GO READ MY REAL BLOG INSTEAD!
Reminds me of Bill O'Reilly's boycott of France, which he touted the success of based on an article in the Paris Business Review, a publication that does not exist.
Hey, you guys are funny. Like I said.....the mutual admiration society here at OS hates me for exposing your tripe. This stuff is YEARS old and you bang the gong based on Ford's announcement of profits. You are making shit up and you don't see that????? Do you not see that you fabricated an issue. I have proved you wrong and exposed you and now you attack me. How appropriate. Why can't someone on the left, just once, apologize and say the right thing? Why?

Just admit that you saw Ford's profits, thought the boycott was ongoing and were wrong. Then admit that 780,365 signature may just have had something to do with Ford's reduced support to gay issues.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58587
I'm still waiting for that link to the AFA.net site to verify what you're saying, Philos. I've admitted fault with the original article, and while doing so have uncovered even more mysteries about the organization. Meanwhile, you just keep repeating yourself.
BTW, Philos, I don't see any comment from Ford in the "article" you link to below, yet you wave it here like a flag of indisputable Truth.

Like the petition that cannot be independently verified, it appears to be nothing more than reprint of a press release from AFA. A press release that can no longer be found on their site. Please correct me by providing a link to it.
resistance. Why do you do this? Why do you ignore the evidence I gave you and insist I provide more? That is the oldest tactic in the book. Deny everything and demand more evidence. You know the truth. 780,365 petition signatures speaks volumes. I rest my case.
Philos: Then let the jury decide. No further questions.
thanks for this...stunning how much these Christian bigots tried to bring down an iconic American company just because of Ford's treatment of gays as human beings. love to see Ford not only survive, but thrive relative to the other big automakers.
Well, seems like this one is one heck of a complicated matter. no wonder that the performance of the ford car company is fluctuating. Not really that much of a good performance for the last 2 quarters.