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Ric Caric

Ric Caric
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I'm married with two daughters and have been teaching at a state university in a red state for 21 years. My blogging covers a lot of issues but I'm a progressive kind of guy who tends to focus on political process, conservatism, and religiosity. Living in the Bible Belt gives me a little different though not necessarily more friendly perspective on conservatism. I also get in the occasional sports post.

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Salon.com
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AUGUST 4, 2010 11:26PM

Gay Rights Victory Creates Opportunity for Conservatives

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A federal judge overturned the gay marriage ban adapted by California as a result of Proposition 8. Judge Vaughn Walker was both comprehensive and direct.

Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional.
That's the bottom line. California and every other state has a "constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis" and can only discriminate against any group if it has a very powerful "state interest" in doing so. The question then becomes whether California has some kind of over-riding interest in preventing gay people from getting married.

At which point, Judge Vaughn disposes of most of the arguments against gay marriage.
In the absence of a rational basis, what remains of proponents' case is an inference, amply supported by evidence in the record, that Proposition 8 was premised on the belief that same-sex couples simply are not as good as opposite-sex couples. FF 78-80. Whether that belief is based on moral disapproval of homosexuality, animus towards gays and lesbians or simply a belief that a relationship between a man and a woman is inherently better than a relationship between two men or two women, this belief is not a proper basis on which to legislate.

And:

The arguments surrounding Proposition 8 raise a question similar to that addressed in Lawrence, when the Court asked whether a majority of citizens could use the power of the state to enforce "profound and deep convictions accepted as ethical and moral principles" through the criminal code. ... The question here is whether California voters can enforce those same principles through regulation of marriage licenses. They cannot. California's obligation is to treat its citizens equally, not to "mandate [its] own moral code."
"Lawrence" refers to Lawrence v Texas, the Supreme Court decision that overturned sodomy laws across the nation. Gay rights activism has been one of the most inspiring developments in American society during the last forty years and is like the civil rights movement and feminism in being a shining example of what the United States at its best has to offer the world. When I was growing up in the sixties and early seventies, gay people were subject to a relentless series of abuses. I remember how one of my college friends from Syracuse talked about going around and beating up gay guys while he was in high school. There were relentless rumors about the sexuality of various male teachers who didn't fit the standard mode of educational macho (such as it was). It was especially painful for me to learn that my second grade teacher Miss Taylor had been forced to live a closeted existence her entire adult life because she was a lesbian. She was a tremendously nice lady and an excellent teacher who shouldn't have had to live like that. Nobody should have to live like that. In fact, gay life was so constricted in the places where I lived that I didn't meet a single openly gay person until I started graduate school in 1976.

In my opinion, the ultimate end point of the gay rights movement is the equal embrace of heterosexuality and homosexuality as modes of sexual living. One of the things I've learned as a heterosexual over the years is the extent to which heterosexuality is promoted by schooling, the news media, movies, and popular music. Given that heterosexuals are over 90% of the population, that will probably always be the case. But I'd like to see homosexuality embraced with the same kind of enthusiasm by the general public.  I don't see why gay people shouldn't have their enthusiasms, questions, problems, issues, and failings given the same kind of sympathetic public representation as mine.

Conservatives have a variety of objections to open homosexuality. There's biblical passages in Leviticus and one of Paul's letters, arguments about the traditional character of the exclusion of homosexuals from marriage, and other more ridiculous claims about the slippery slope to bestiality and conservatives being subject to penalties for not believing in gay marriage.

Judge Vaughn very appropriately dismisses these kinds of claims as not having sufficient merit to outweigh the rights of gay people to equal treatment concerning issues of marriage. It's guaranteed that this decision is going to be played up as a right v left by all types of media. I've already posted something teasing conservatives on facebook myself.

Nevertheless, I also believe that American conservatives should take Judge Vaugh's decision as an opportunity to rethink their position on gay marriage and all other issues concerning sexual orientation. The key to conservative rethinking about gay marriage should be their on-going rethinking about civil rights and gender. Conservatives used to be just as attached to racial segregation as they're now attached to the exclusion of gay people from marriage. But it now seems that most prominent conservatives reject the legacy of segregation and that many conservatives are genuinedly pained by the association of the right with racism. Likewise, conservatives have reconciled themselves enough to feminism that conservative women like Sarah Palin have emerged as powerful forces in the Republican Party. If conservatives have rethought their positions on racial integration and gender equality, they can rethink their moral stance on gay people as well.

And they should.

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You didn't meet a single openly gay person until 1976? No surprise, really. 1976 was the year I moved from New York to L.A. I'm 63 years old and have been "out" since High school. I joined the Gay Rights movement right after Stonewall. And our biggest batttle wasn't wiht the Heterosexual Dictatorship (Christopher Isherwood's ever-useful term) but with closeted gays and lesbians. Being "out" was REALLY avant-garde in the old days. Now kids are "out" the moment they discover they have what used to be called "strange twilight urges."

My new heroes are those gay and lesbian highschoolers taking their boyfriends and girlfriends to the Prom. And I'm not talking about San Francisco, New York or L.A. I'm talking Georgia and Mississippi.
excellent post. i've already started seeing arguments from those who oppose gay marriage saying that marriage isn't a "right" to begin with. they are grasping at straws and i can only imagine the rhetoric we will be subjected to as this fight continues. my partner and i are both hoping for a positive outcome.
The "opportunity" the revocation of Prop 8 will provide for conservatives is similar to the opportunity desegregation provided for Southern racists. It will be a rallying cry for serial adulterers like Newt Gingrich to gather the heterosexual zombies in defense of motherhood, the flag and fruit pies.

The overturn of Prop 8, with its multiple findings of fact, is a signal that the 40-year-long debate about the supposed evils of homosexuality is over at last. But even if the debate is over, the shouting isn't. After desegregation, a couple of generations were still grumbling about judicial activism and reciting the rest of their "talking points" ad nauseam. Finally the Strom Thurmonds of the world had the good graces to finally die. It will be at least a couple more generations until the Newts of the world follow suit. In the meanwhile, the televangelists and right-wing pols in both parties will use the decision to raise money, money, money. At the same time, this decision will wind its way through the courts and eventually end up before the US Supreme Court whose conservative members have repeatedly demonstrated their utterly shameless partisan leanings. If the Supreme Court were to reaffirm Prop 8, gay citizens can kiss their rights goodbye for at least another generation.
This is not a victory for anyone unless you enjoy watching The Constituion get stomped on. How can 1 judge overturn the wishes of 7,000,000 people? This was voted on and passed. The democratic process worked. The only lesson learned here is that progressives continue to use the courts to get what they want because they can't get it passed at the voting booth. Next stop...SCOTUS. The fact that the judge who rendered the ruling happens to be gay also opens this up for a big time appeal. It's not over by a long shot.
"How can 1 judge overturn the wishes of 7,000,000 people?"

Because Mob Rule is not in effect in this country.
David: I have the same heroes in KY where gay kids do a lot of brave stuff like organizing gay/straight alliance groups in bible belt high schools.

lemonpulp: I wouldn't be surprised if gay people in CA end up with a positive outcome. Lawrence v Texas set so much legal ground for overturning all sorts of bans on gay marriage that I wouldn't be surprised if the current conservative court punts on the whole issue and leaves the current ruling in place.

Robert: I'm a little but not too much more optimistic about the state of gay marriage politics. If the court does uphold Prop 8, the problem will be convincing the 3 or 4% that it will take to get gay marriage rights. You're right that the right-wing will mobilize to prevent that from happening, but they're working with much more of a narrow margin than they had in 2004. The "chipping away" strategy has made progress even if it hasn't gotten over the line . . . yet.

DJohn: The first sentence of the U. S. Constitution states among other things that the Constitution was instituted to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." Securing the rights of gay people to equal marriage is one of the ways in which we in the contemporary period are acting to "secure the Blessings of Liberty" for ourselves and our own posterity. Gay marriage is one of the most deeply constitutional initiatives we can pursue.
Great, great article! - which translates as "reflects most of my own thoughts and feelings as I read the Decision." I especially liked this: "Gay rights activism has been one of the most inspiring developments in American society during the last forty years and is like the civil rights movement and feminism in being a shining example of what the United States at its best has to offer the world." But I'll tell you - I read it wrong the first time, and thought you meant that the country's, and various states', current official stances on Gay Rights were shining examples to the rest of the world, and I thought "HUH??" Living as an American gay-married man in Scandinavia, where I more-less have to live if I'm going to make a life with my foreign-born husband/partner, I was about to rant my usual rant about America being quite a ways BEHIND on this issue, and quite the OPPOSITE of a shining example. But of course, that's NOT what you said! So all's well, and I can return my bottle of blood-pressure medication to the cabinet, unopened. ;-)
I read the decision. It was excellent. Supporters shouldn't back off because the conservatives will use it as an issue in November. That's to be expected. I read some of the blog comment posts and saw stuff like: well, what do you expect, the judge is gay. And the usual religious opposition to homosexuality. But unfortunately this legal battle isn't over. It will probably be appealed.
Of course it will be appealed. But Walker put *0 (count 'em) "Figures of Fact" into his ruling. Each has to be taken aprt. That's 80 Masters Theses boys and girls.

I'm not at all suprised about Kentucky. Gay-Straight Alliances are springing up in High Schools everywhere.

I expect "Remedial Sondheim" classes to follow in short order.
The decision definitely will be appealed, but conservatives are also getting nervous about losing on gay rights. So, I'm not altogether sure the Supreme Court is going to act decisively on the issue. For example, the Roberts court could agree with overturning Prop 8, but leave the door open for anti-gay activists to find a "rational" basis for denying gay marriage.
i have nothing against gay marriage, but i have a lot against overturning a formal referendum on the word of one person.

the judge might reasonably say this is a matter of federal law, so it must be settled by national referendum, but there isn't any, is there.
maybe we should follow Israel's example and have the state just completely get out of the marriage biz. there marriage is totally a function of religion. while i believe homosexuals should have the same civil rights as everyone am not as sure on this issue. the old Greeks and Romans were not unfriendly to homosexuality but never incorporated it in their marriage laws. i am also sympathetic to the dislike of folks who feel the no longer live in a republic but a state ruled by judicial fiat. should all proposed laws be examined by the judiciary before enactment? why have a legislature? what if the judge found for the right of a 14 year to buy a handgun uncontested, certainly in the era of the founders there would have been no issue. could it be proven that 14 year olds are more homicidal than other age groups? and if not why deny their right? what if a judge finds the operators of a meth lab should be allowed to continue their business based on property rights?