Responding to Right Wing Hate Narratives, Conclusion
You will have to do some reading to get all the way to the bottom, and I'd about just as soon you didn't. But I promised. ( I probably won't leave this post up very long, though. ) Please feel free to skip straight to the bottom and just read the Notes at the end, if you want.
From: Pernice
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:53 PM
To: Pernice
Subject: From Pernice...thank you!
This is an email I've been working on for a few moments here and there when my health will allow me to look at the screen - or 'think'. I used my precious moments of life and I hope you will give some consideration...thanks! :)
Please let this speech download, then start listening at 42:45 as a personal favor to me
...at 39:45 if you can't take the time for that, or if you will at least
...at 34:45...
...YOU will be blessed!
The speech doesn't last the entire time...there is a lot of music at the end, including the fun 'Raising McCain' song. If you don't have time for any of it, then you have no right to complain about your government.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/ef046a10-706a-4dd5-bd01-b93b36b054bc.htm
It's not enough to 'just vote'. You must know what you are voting for! Please, for all our sakes, KNOW the 'issues', NOT the 'soundbites'!!! There are a lot of lies and misrepresentations out there, from all people, so KNOW for yourself. No one can learn Spanish for you, no one can learn the Bible for you, and no one can learn the Political Truths for you. You have to 'stand up' and do it for yourself and for your children! We all have to be held responsible for our actions and in-actions in this world.
Political Parties have basic 'platforms' or 'ideology', but its individual members are diametrically opposed on a wide variety of issues. While many points can be argued, even within the individual parties - Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Independent - there are some basic differences in the major two: It DOES NOT MATTER what party or ideology that you adhere to, as long as you KNOW what it is and why you believe it.
Democrat Party:
**Believe in wealth redistribution. This means they take from those who earn the most and, after putting into place more government programs with more government employees to distribute it, some of this money is used to support those who are not working to earn their money. Sometimes, as we do now, this is necessary to take care of those who 'can't' take care of themselves. That is very different than those who 'won't' take care of themselves and their children. Now, this 'contested' money is all on top of regular tax money that is used for infrastructure, Military and Homeland Security, Education, and all those things that we do dutifully and happily pay taxes for.
**Believe that when a person dies, regardless of the taxes they have paid on their income, that they should not be allowed to leave it to whom they want. They want the majority of it to go into the Federal checkbook.
**Believe in favor of abortion, anytime and for any reason.
Republican Party:
**Believe in Capitalism. This means they believe that Americans should keep more than 50% of what they earn. They believe this encourages people to start businesses, hire people, and spend more money. They believe this creates more jobs and more opportunities for all of us. They also believe that Americans are very generous and want to help to take care of those who 'can't' take care of themselves.
**Believe that there should not be an inheritance (or 'death') tax. They believe a person should be able to leave their money and/or possessions to whomever they want.
**Believe that abortion should not be a method of 'birth control'. Some believe that abortion should be available only for rape/incest or risk to the mother's life, while some believe that abortion should never happen.
My beliefs, as a Populist, are:
1. I can spend my money more efficiently and more charitably than the government.
2. I have the right to bear arms and defend myself and my family.
3. Abortion should be a State Right, allowed in the event of rape/incest, or to protect the mother's life, along with decisions concerning the health and well-being of the fetus. Each women will have to face God on their own, as I will. Even if the U.S. Supreme Court rules against abortion, needing to support their "Basic stance on the protection of each individual life in this Nation" whether by genocide, murder, neglect, or abortion, I firmly believe the States will have the right to allow abortions, so abortions will always be available. (Remember prohibition? How far did that get? Oftentimes, men want these abortions more than the women!)
4. I believe ALL parties have failed the People of the United States of America - for many decades...on Health, Energy Technology, Education, Conservation - just to name a few. We have had our money taken and wasted!
5. I believe people are confused when they support abortion and argue against capital punishment.
A typical example is the U.S. Post Office. This government program has a postman going to every house, 6 days a week; yet, they lose billions of dollars while UPS, Fed-Ex, etc. make profits while taking special trips to individual addresses each day around the world. Imagine if all Government programs were run like financially successful private companies! The private companies fail when they begin to run themselves like government programs!
Unfortunately, I am not able to debate anyone on this...it's taken weeks to write this one email. You are free to your beliefs and I respect them - and would love to read them when I can.
As far as 'fairness in cyberspace', here is the link to the Democrat Barack Obama acceptance speech:
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/content/acceptancespeechnd?source=feature_nom
Since I do not support him, I will not suppose to pick out what I believe to be the more profound points.
Not as a sidenote, but something else we like to avoid 'knowing all' is Cancer! Here, you can watch the SU2C, Stand Up To Cancer, celebrity telethon show that was on all three networks.
http://www.cbs.com/specials/stand_up_to_cancer/video/video.php
The Iraq War - 5 1/2 years of it - has caused the deaths of 4,155 American soldiers.
In that same amount of time, Cancer has caused the deaths of 660,000. Wouldn't it be great if the anti-war folks would put that effort into anti-cancer; and wouldn't it be great if the government put that much money into research!!!
You have experienced true joy when you have done
something for someone who can never pay you back!...
Any good that I can do, any kindness I can show,
let me do it now, let me not defer it for
I shall not pass this way again...
--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Richard Banks wrote:
From: Richard Banks
Subject: RE: From Pernice...thank you!
To: Pernice
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 9:47 PM
This is pretty good, too:
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=18580
From: Pernice
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:19 AM
To: Richard Banks
Subject: RE: From Pernice...thank you!
I don't like anything too far from the left - or too far from the right. This one pretty much covers both! :)
You have experienced true joy when you have done
something for someone who can never pay you back!...
Any good that I can do, any kindness I can show,
let me do it now, let me not defer it for
I shall not pass this way again...
On Thu, 9/18/08, Richard Banks <rkbanks@swbell.net> wrote:
From: Richard Banks
Subject: RE: From Pernice...thank you!
To: Pernice
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 6:18 AM
Pernice, you just can’t see how your email comes off. For one thing your “description” of Democrats is false in every way. Almost no one believes in abortion at any time, for any reason. That’s just silly. Nobody is even talking about “wealth distribution”. That’s an unfair way of describing taxation that already tells me how you feel. The inheritance tax applies to very, very few very, very rich people, and it does not take “the majority” of their assets. Where do you come up with this stuff?
That last email you sent out, about Obama being a “post turtle” was just racist. I thought I wrote back asking that you not send any more of that.
When I sent you something from the opposite direction, you didn’t like it, did you? That’s how I feel when you send me racist and far-rightwing extremist stuff: I don’t like it.
You should vote for Obama, but you won’t because he’s black, and for no other reason. So, vote however you like, but don’t write some sort of thing that makes you feel like you’re being evenhanded and weighing all of the options, because you aren’t. You already know who you are voting for. Be honest with yourself, at least.
Look, I’m sorry you’re sick. It’s a shame we all get sick and die. But being sick doesn’t give you a license to send out right wing nonsense to a list of people who may or may not agree with you.
Think about what I’m telling you here.
Richard
From: Pernice
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Richard Banks
Subject: RE: From Pernice...thank you!
Hi..
I have based my 'points' on the Democrat and Republican 'points', also saying that all Democrats or Republicans - or Independents believe ALL the same things. The figures speak for themselves. I have not a racist bone in my body and I do resent your implications. I have voted on local black people and women...and I plan to vote for Jindal if he's ever in my voting area. Race or sex means nothing.
Actually, the Democrat party is having trouble holding on the the black caucus on the 'death tax'. It was originally put into place to keep the white from getting richer, but now that there are many millionaires of all races, they want their families to inherit their money and not have to give most of it to the government.
The far left definitely embraces abortion, anytime, anyplace. The far right hates abortion, anytime, anyplace. That is a fact.
You probably think I'm to the far right, and you are sorely wrong, just as you think I'm racist. If you got that from a 'post turtle' cartoon, that is really shallow - just like the cartoon was.
I was told a 'post turtle' was something 'useless', as the turtle could not accomplish anything because he depends on others. (NOTHING to do with race)
I do believe Obama is a 'puppet'. He gives great speeches, as long as someone else writes them and he can 'read' them off a prompter. This has been made more clear (even on CNN and MSNBC) in commentaries this week, after he has screwed up too many times recently 'off the cuff', so they started putting the prompters everywhere he speaks, even outdoors and at the county fair.
I believe the guy is smart, but doesn't even come close to Presidential material and, of the four candidates, has the least experience in all areas. I'm not willing to put my Country's future in the hands of 'whomever' is orchestrating Obama's every movement and word. He may win, then we'll all see, I guess.
The one thing I do know. Criticizing and hurting people we know on purpose is wrong and has nothing to do with the election. I didn't send the joke months ago or my 'blanket encouragement for people to know who they are voting for' to you to hurt you or upset you, but you did send me something to hurt and upset me. I'm very hospital/homebound ill and my husband is dying, and I have now found the true you to be that person who wrote and spoke all those mean and hateful things at the reunion.
I will not send you anything else. I have too many kind and intelligent people (of many party affiliations and races) who know how to debate on the level and who care. Life is too short for your type of bullying.
May life treat you well,
Pernice
You have experienced true joy when you have done
something for someone who can never pay you back!...
Any good that I can do, any kindness I can show,
let me do it now, let me not defer it for
I shall not pass this way again...
Notes:
In her defense, Pernice has been in poor health for years, and her husband is dying. When she makes a reference near the end to me as "that person who wrote and spoke all those mean and hateful things at the reunion"she is referring to something I did at the 20th PTHS Class of '74 Reunion.
To summarize the facts of that night: our class leaders, or the ones who put on the reunions, anyway, have always seen fit to hold an "awards ceremony" during the Saturday night banquet. The honorees were variously selected by the planning committee or voted on--that year there was a vote by classmates who attended the banquet. Some of the award categories, such as "Most Grandchildren" or "Least Changed" were a little too precious, but pretty harmless. But over the years the ceremony began to morph into something more pointed. That night, my friend Lee won the the "Most Gray Hair" award (a women only category), and a fellow I like pretty well, David, won "Biggest Beer Belly" (a men only competition). Me and my rowdy outcast friends (all the the cliques showed up in full force for our 20th) were annoyed by the categories, though Lee accepted her award with a smile.
Meanwhile, at our table we started making up awards of our own. But I was the only one who succumbed to a compulsion to ask the class leaders to give me the microphone, so that I could "award" them. The entire experience might have been a bit less life-altering if I hadn't, at some point, picked on Jana, a woman who was dressed provocatively that night and who was drinking and flirting heavily. Once I had pronounced her the winner of the "Most Likely to Go Home With Someone Else's Husband" award, the night was pretty much over.
Later, I apologized to Jana, sincerely--once in a letter, and later in person at a subsequent class gathering, which I attended for that one purpose. And she very graciously accepted my apology.
So, point Pernice.
She did say I'm off her list, however. So there's that.
One more thing.
Longview is a hyper-racist environment. This, I know. It is not possible to have grown up there, lived one's entire life there, to be a pillar of the conservative Christian community there, and then state, categorically, that one does not have a racist bone in one's body. The racist narrative is predominant and pervasive in east Texas. Racism like that is a skunky smell one can spend a lifetime scrubbing, and yet never quite wash off. We moved there when I was 8, and I left when I was 18; my family, though I heard racist comments expressed in my home--especially in 1967-68--didn't even have much of a fixation on it. But even as one who left early and turned liberal, I will never tell you that I was uninfluenced by that society's thinking. So, while the post turtle may have no overt racist content, I have to consider the source and understand Pernice's use of it in light of my knowledge of traditional Southern society (and Pernice's place in it) and the elements of its predominant narrative. Protesting her innocence about the obvious subtext of the post turtle story strikes me as outright dishonesty or disingenuousness or--at best--a breathtaking lack of self-awareness.


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Comments
Thanks for finishing this up Rich.
Having said that, I am aslo painfully aware of the racism to be found in my own home region in New England.
I still hold that mass emailing personal (and incorrect) political propaganda without accounting for the potential insult to the people on the unfortanate other end of that mailing list is rude in the extreme, especially when one states up front nothing is open to debate.
I didn't see anything wrong with your responses either (admittedly, I am biased). I might have been much worse!
ps -- you should leave this up. It is good to read other POVs. All liberal/progressive/elitist/or whatever label you wish to be labeled with all the time is not healthy.
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Yes, and in my experience trying to reason with these individuals in any rational way is often like talking to said turtle post.......
Thanks Rich, at least you tried.
I've resigned myself to the fact that histrionic screeds like that represent the thinking of nearly half of America.
Can't we call a Mulligan on the Civil War and let the South go ahead and secede? I really don't like sharing my country with these folks.
It has good people that did not want to secede in the first place!
In Texas, Verbal Remedy, the vote to secede was actually a pretty close one, with just over 50% voting for. (The Germans and Czechs, in particular, didn't go along, many having recently escaped servitude as land peasants in Europe, themselves.)
Martha has issues, it's true. And they are the same oil patch issues I heard growing up. Rush Limbaugh has a call screener to keep most of the hard core racism off his program--that's why you don't hear this narrative: its ugliest parts are censored, even in the conservative media. But these are the folks he is pandering to.
I'm wondering, Mary, if Martha isn't right about one thing, though: racism is a cancer that affects the brain, not bones.
I'll leave this post up for now, as LT and others suggest. Probably won't be read by hostile classmates in any event. But did y'all read the part about my reunion? I can be quite the ass, sometimes. I don't use the nickname WhoNvitedHim for nothing!
If you can't get stupid with the people you were stupidest with at any time in your life, who CAN you get stupid with???
"If you can't get stupid with the people you were stupidest with at any time in your life, who CAN you get stupid with??? "
I may frame that.
The thing with Jana. She appeared to have been a random victim that night. I also announced an award for "Most Likely to Still Be in the Penitentiary for the next Reunion", or some such. Nobody thought that was so bad. Probably because the winner wasn't in the room to pick up his award. But Jana was always very popular. I helped her through Algebra in 8th grade, and I can't recall her ever speaking to me again after that class. Maybe it wasn't so random, at that.
My favorite part of his stomach-acid producing letter: "Since I do not support him, I will not suppose to pick out what I believe to be the more profound points. " In other words - I see no reason to evaluate my stance. Nothing that he says can ever change my mind, even if he is revealed to be the second coming of Christ, himself, because I am safe in the everlasting arms of my uninformed opinion. "
She didn't even pause on the turtle/post joke. It was clearly a slam on affirmative action, among other things (it didn't get there by itself) and yet defends the non-racism of it based on how it was explained to her. No "why did you think that was racist? I'm honestly perplexed, I thought the joke was about a turtle whose feet aren't touching the ground, so therefore can't go anywhere or do anything! How is that racist?) Instead, it's just "No, it wasn't, and no, I"m not, b/c of this explanation someone else gave me."
This woman probably loves Sarah Palin, thinking "She's just like meeeeeeee!"
Must take issue with you on one point however. Do not feel there is anything inherently racist about the post turtle joke, at least not the version I heard (and repeated), which was about Sarah Palin (to whom it seems far more applicable than it seems for Obama--after all, a good argument can be made that he got where he is on his own merits, and she most certainly did not). The only even mildly objectionable word in the version I heard was "dumbass," and that referred to the person who put the turtle on the post, not the turtle. To me the joke seemed to be about someone bewildered by a situation they weren't ready to handle. I realize you were offended, and perhaps the version of the joke in your classmate's email is couched in racist terms (sorry, but just couldn't bring myself to read all that garbage to find it--seen enough of that stuff). Or perhaps you heard it told by racists as a child--I heard it as a child, but not in a racist context. In any case, if a joke does not target race and is not couched in racist terms and depends for its humor on its perceived accuracy, then it cannot fairly be called racist. It may be too bad that to some rightwing perceptions, that joke seems to be accurate with regard to Obama (though as I have said, to me it does not), but to declare humor off-limits because you despise the politics of the person using it is to veer uncomfortably close to political correctness (which is a substitute for the honest search for right thought rather than actual correctness).
How odd it is that the same people who rale against racism are so willing to apply the bigotry of regionism. How is this any diffrent than saying that there must be something to the notion that black people like bright colors and can tap dance.
I'm glad Obama won, and maybe this will help us get beyond some of these divisions. That's one of my major hopes, anyway.
Oh, and I got really trashed at my high school reunion. I am pretty sure I made a fool of myself. But it sounds like yours was more fun!